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Title: Biblical Question
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Published: Apr 20, 2007
Author: KJV
Post Date: 2007-04-20 14:35:03 by intotheabyss
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Comments: 124

I was wondering about Mathew 5:18-19.

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When you read the 4Th commandment it says:

KJV - 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

My question is:

Why don't most churches worship on Saturday and why do most people feel compelled to use Sunday (the day of sun worshipers) as a day of worship and rest?

When the bible seems to me to be very clear on this. In Jesus's own words: (one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven

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#7. To: intotheabyss (#0)

In verse 18, Jesus was referring to his fulfilling the law in our place. He fulfilled the law perfectly, thus the law could be done away with. Back up one verse (which is always a good thing to do anyways). Jesus says he is not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. The law and the sacrifices were all pointing to him. The smearing of the blood on the mantels for Passover made the shape of the cross. Sacrificing the firstborn lamb without blemish. Everything points to Jesus.

As far as the first day of the week goes, that was the day Jesus was resurrected. He was crucified on Friday, hence the name Good Friday, and rose on Sunday. Also, in Acts 20:7 the disciples came together to break bread, and in the KJV it seems like they did this regularly, Paul came and preached to them and kept going until midnight.

Paul says in 1Cor 16:2 to lay store offerings for the church on the first day of the week.

echo5sierra  posted on  2007-04-20   14:47:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Jesus was referring to his fulfilling the law in our place. He fulfilled the law perfectly, thus the law could be done away with. Back up one verse (which is always a good thing to do anyways). Jesus says he is not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. The law and the sacrifices were all pointing to him.

Then why doe he say:

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If we no longer needed to follow it.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-20   14:56:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The same Jesus that broke the law when he did not allow an adulteress to be stoned to death?

Destro  posted on  2007-04-20   15:03:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The same Jesus that broke the law when he did not allow an adulteress to be stoned to death?

That's a gross mischaracterization.

Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. And none did.

In other words, he called their attention to what the whole Torah requires (for example, that none may be convicted and put to death without the testimony of two witnesses, etc.). As none had abided by Torah in (almost) stoning this woman, none could with a clear conscience, when called out, cast the first stone.

In this, Jesus did not violate Torah. He upheld it.

If Jesus had not kept Torah perfectly, he would not be qualified to atone for the sins of this world. You are a Christian, right? Don't you know (and believe) this?

Arator  posted on  2007-04-20   15:18:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a Christian, right? Don't you know (and believe) this?

Oh, I see. The problem with you is that the you forget Jesus was not a Christian - he came to live fully under the law - then after Jesus conquered death he set out his apostles to spread the New Covenant with all humanity.

Destro  posted on  2007-04-20   15:56:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: Destro (#23)

The problem with you is that the you forget Jesus was not a Christian - he came to live fully under the law - then after Jesus conquered death he set out his apostles to spread the New Covenant with all humanity.

I forgot he was not a Christian? It was you who claimed that he sinned by violating Torah, not I. Some Christians think Torah was abrogated at (or even before) the cross. But, as in the passage quoted atop this thread, Jesus said otherwise.

So, which one of us forgot he is not a Torah-rejecting (3rd-century) Christian but a 1st-century Torah-keeping Jew? I think it was the one who said he was a Torah-breaker.

Arator  posted on  2007-04-20 17:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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