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Title: Biblical Question
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Published: Apr 20, 2007
Author: KJV
Post Date: 2007-04-20 14:35:03 by intotheabyss
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Comments: 124

I was wondering about Mathew 5:18-19.

5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When you read the 4Th commandment it says:

KJV - 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

My question is:

Why don't most churches worship on Saturday and why do most people feel compelled to use Sunday (the day of sun worshipers) as a day of worship and rest?

When the bible seems to me to be very clear on this. In Jesus's own words: (one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven

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#40. To: intotheabyss (#0)

WHO CHANGED THE SABBATH SATURDAY TO SUNDAY?

http://jbrooks2.tripod.com/WHO_CHANGED_THE_SABBATH_SATURDAY_TO_SUNDAY.html

The Jews, the REAL Jews, not the ZIONISTS, worship and recognize Saturday as the Sabbath.

Who are the lairs?

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-20   20:17:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Jews, the REAL Jews, not the ZIONISTS, worship and recognize Saturday as the Sabbath.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.

I'm glad to see some awake souls on this thread.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-22   19:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right.

Let's see what else the Catholic church pushes that has no scriptural basis:

1. Idolizing and worshipping Mary

2. Making and using graven images for worship

3. Showing alms before men

4. Public prayer

5. Child baptism

6. Sunday as day of worship

And it goes on and on ....

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-22   19:09:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The really sad thing is so many good meaning people buy into some of these issues.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-22   19:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The really sad thing is so many good meaning people buy into some of these issues.

Agreed.

I do not believe the Bible is the book most people think it is. Much of the Old Testament is stolen from other texts in the Egypt to Mesopotamian areas, and much of the New Testament is stolen from those same texts, or taken from Eastern allegories.

There are other mythical heroes who were presented as being very similar to Jesus, right down to the virgin birth and the resurrection.

If someone wishes to follow the teachings of Jesus, I think that is great. Real or not, his teachings are good guideposts.

I find discussions about whether God cares about Sunday or Saturday to be immensely comical. But if one is going to read the text and declare what is to be done based upon the text, it's clearly SATURDAY, not Sunday that Christians should stay home and not do any work or such.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-23   12:12:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But if one is going to read the text and declare what is to be done based upon the text, it's clearly SATURDAY, not Sunday that Christians should stay home and not do any work or such.

That's part of the reason I brought this up.

I listened to so many Christians use the bible to defend this point of that and claim that it is their guide. But on this issue (4th commandment) so many want to twist the text to fit their lifestyle when this issue is more spelled out then many of the other issues they use based on scripture.

Oh, there are many discrepancies:

Pious Fraud in Translation

Let's take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monotheistic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.

The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).

Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):

"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,

"In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth."

In the same chapter the word "elohim" (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the 'universe' in 6 days.

To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian 'fathers' don't bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads 'let us make man in our image':

Here are three examples of the Hebrew plural gods mentioned in Genesis: 1. "And- said elohim (gods), let-US-make man (adam) in-image-OUR, after-likeness-OUR" (1:26).

2. And when "adam" had eaten of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, "the Lord God" said, "Behold, the-man has become like one of US, to know good and evil" (3:27).

3. And when the Tower of Babel was being built: "The Lord [Heb. Yahveh] said ... Come, let US go down," etc.

Elohim

When speaking of the Hebrew deity, Yahveh, elohim, (gods) is used in the Hebrew texts, The plural elohim is used 2570 times. It is always falsely translated to the singular "God", thus falsely making us believe that this text was written at a time when the Hebrew people were monothestic, when it clearly is the case (written at least 2570 times, no less!) that they WERE NOT.

In the three Genesis verses above, there are three different designations of the Hebrew deity or deities: elohim, (gods), falsely translated "God":

Lord God (Heb. Yahveh-elohim); and Lord (Heb. Yahveh). Yahveh is the proper name of the Hebrew God, which, in English, is Jehovah.

Yahveh-elohim is a Hebrew "construct-form" which is translated to "Yahveh-of- the-gods." Invariably these personal names were falsely translated "Lord" and "Lord God," respectively, for purposes of pious fraud.

First Man, First Woman

There was no first man "Adam," according to the Hebrew text. The word adam in Hebrew is a common noun, meaning man in a generic sense and in Genesis 1:26, it states:

"And elohim (gods) said, Let us make adam (man)"; and so "elohim created ha- adam (the-man); ... male and female created he them" (1: 27).

In the second creation story, where man is first made alone:

"Yahveh formed ha-adam (the-man) out of the dust of ha-adamah-the ground" (2:7).

Man is called in Hebrew adam because he was formed out of adamah, the ground; just as in Latin man is called homo because he was formed from humus, the ground. Early Christian father Lactantius stated it as 'homo ex humo' ('man from the ground', or 'dust' as it commonly stated today).

The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogies from "in the beginning" to Father Abraham.

And this wasn't done by Christians, but rather by early Hebrew priests. Nonetheless, early Christians took this deception and used it for their own newly forged religion.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   12:23:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Some of my favorite themes that many Christians never absorb ...

I'm still waiting to meet the Christian that follows these:

*turn the other cheeck

*judge not that you be not judged

*do unto others as you would have them do unto you

*do not pray in public

*do not boast of your alms

*visit those in prison (99.99% of Christians are going to hell on this one!)

*clothe the naked

*feed the hungry

No, they're busy buying TV stations, building monstrous churches and generally wallowing in delusional self-righteousness.

Now watch all the "Christians" form a lynch mob. Not much has changed. Religion is the opiate of the masses, and they'll kill you for messing with their stash.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-23   12:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

delusional self-righteousness.

A lot of that is going on in the Bible belt.

My friend, who is from Syria (yes he is Islamic) and I had a conversation about what would happen if Jesus showed up today but did not tell people his name.

Well we both came to the conclusion that as soon as he started teaching people his true teachings he would be shunned by most including most of the preachers. Because his teachings would not allow for their lifestyle and would not fit "I'm a believer and that's all I need" mentality.

Don't get me started on how often Jesus mentions how "he would not know you" if you do not do the "works" associated with the "belief".

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   12:42:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hell, I'm convinced he would be shunned more by the so called Christians today than he was by the public at large 2000 years ago.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   12:43:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hell, I'm convinced he would be shunned more by the so called Christians today than he was by the public at large 2000 years ago.

If JC showed up today, complete with the miracles, his contempt for self- righteous folks, his embracing of non-violence and his eschewing of material wealth, make no mistake. He would be crucified all over again.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-23   12:48:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

his eschewing of material wealth,

This, IMHO is the biggest achilles heel of our society.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   12:54:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

his eschewing of material wealth,

This, IMHO is the biggest achilles heel of our society.

Well, like the poor, we will always have the wealthy with us. Inequity is human.

For myself, I'm about tired of the uber-rich using their money to subvert our democracy. I'm starting to favor a Russian style revolution over an American style one.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-23   13:06:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

For myself, I'm about tired of the uber-rich using their money to subvert our democracy. I'm starting to favor a Russian style revolution over an American style one.

Amen! (This Amen may be all I need to do to end up on the red/blue? list for my encampment when the Feds push for their full agenda. You aren't a provocateur are you?)

Oh well I don't really give a sh_t anymore. If we are that far gone, f--- it.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-04-23   13:14:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#89. To: intotheabyss (#88)

Amen! (This Amen may be all I need to do to end up on the red/blue? list for my encampment when the Feds push for their full agenda. You aren't a provocateur are you?)

ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL!

I have beaten you now, intotheabyss! Just as I defeated the SKYDRIFTER and Nolu_Chan!

Bwahahahaha! None dare to challenge me! I am BeAChooser!

ROTFLOL! ROTFLOL!

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-23 13:20:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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