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Title: President to look at Jamestown's 'PC' past ; Plans to visit settlement that was founded in 1607 to spread Gospel
Source: WorldNetDaily
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55418
Published: Apr 27, 2007
Author: WND
Post Date: 2007-04-27 18:16:58 by AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt
Keywords: Christian, Jesus, politically correct
Views: 915
Comments: 30

© 2007 http://WorldNetDaily.com

The president plans a visit May 13 to Jamestown, Va., the settlement founded four centuries ago with the primary goal of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ and he'll be aware of complaints that its history is being revised to exclude its Christian heritage.

White House spokeswoman Dana confirmed plans for the visit and then promised to look into concerns of a politically correct perspective being applied retroactively at Jamestown when Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, asked her about it.

"Columnist Mona Charen reports that Mary Wade, who was on one of the Jamestown 2007 committees, said, 'You can't celebrate an invasion,'" Kinsolving said. "Does the president agree with this…"

WND reported earlier about the controversial edits that are being made to America's history as part of the 400th anniversary events surrounding Jamestown.

Official sponsoring organizations have banned the word "celebration," because of Wade's comments. The influential Jamestown 2007 Commemoration planner and Indian activist made the "invasion" statement, then continued.

After all, she said, Indian tribes "were pushed back off of their land, even killed. Whole tribes were annihilated. A lot of people carry that oral history with them, and that's why they use the word 'invasion,' because it truly was an invasion, and I'm sure some of the Indian people will probably want to tell that as a part of the story of 400 years."

Jamestown, whose settlers arrived 13 years before the Plymouth, Mass., Pilgrims, in fact, introduced to what later became the United States its first Christian common law, a republican representative government, the first Protestant Christian worship service, and its first interracial marriage

"I know the president is looking forward to going to Jamestown on May 13," Perino said. But she said she would have to decline to comment on the rest until she could look into it.

Wade's comments had come in an interview with Voice of America, and highlighted the revisions that are going on regarding the history of Jamestown – and America. It also left a message about how important are the disputes over the political perspective now being applied retroactively to America's history.

"I believe this is one of the most significant battles of our day," said Doug Phillips, president of Vision Forum Ministries and the founder of the Jamestown Quadricentennial: A Celebration of America's Providential History, Vision Forum's own series of events to celebrate the quadricentennial. "It is the battle for our history."

He has told WND thatthe Jamestown settlers arrived with not only an economic commission from England, but orders to spread the Good News of Jesus, noting **** one of the founders of Jamestown, Richard Hakluyt, wrote, "Wee shall by plantinge there inlarge the glory of the gospel, and from England plante sincere religion, and provide a safe and a sure place to receave people from all partes of the worlds that are forced to flee for the truthe of Gods worde."

While Phillips has been raising issues of politically correct history in the events around the 400th anniversary, Calfornia pastor Todd Dubord of Lake Almanor Community Church has raised similar issues regarding the actual presentations by tour guides at the historic sites.

He had noted that when he asked about representations of the Ten Commandments and Apostles Creed, his guide said guides were only allowed to describe them as religious representations. But now, as WND recently reported, changes are being made.

After WND reported guides were gagged on that subject, a new memo was issued by managers at the site. Titled "Teaching about English Motivations for Settlement in Virginia" the memo asks the dozens of guides who work at the site to "include all three major motivations for settlement in your tour and program presentations, from now on."

**** "The first motivation mentioned in the 1606 charter is to spread the Christian religion. The statement below is made by or on behalf of King James to the major investors in the Virginia Company," the memo said.

Wee, greately commending and graciously accepting of theire desires to the furtherance of soe noble a worke which may, by the providence of Almightie God, hereafter tende to the glorie of His Divine Maiestie to suche people as yet live in darkeness and miserable ignorance of the true knoweledge and worshippe of God and may in tyme bring the infidels and salvages living in those parts to humane civilitie and to a setled and quiet governmente…

The memo said it obtained the documentation from two primary sources, the original charter granted by King James to the Virginia Company on April 10, 1606, and the London Council of the Virginia Company's "Instructions given by way of Advice," dated between Nov. 20 and Dec. 19, 1606.

The second goal of the "joint stockholding company" was for the purpose of "making a profit" from the raw materials investors hoped to find in Virginia, the memo said.

"Many of you have been presenting programs here for several years or more, and it can be a challenge to adjust information that has become a routine part of your program. Please make a concerted effort to become comfortable with the changes, and begin including them immediately. We can always improve the scope and accuracy of our presentations, and in this case the changes achieve both these goals," the instructions concluded.

Joseph A. Gutierrez, Jr., senior director of the Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation, told Dubord he is comfortable that the new instructions include the necessary balance of religious and secular interests.

Gutierrez also earlier confirmed that the managing board had approved new interpretive programs for 2007, including new church-based programs such as "Tolling of the Bell: Religion at Jamestown" which is being added to the existing church programming, "The Law and the Lord," and "Rule of Law."

Phillips' organization is planning a series of events for June 11-16 to celebrate the 400 years, and he said while it's good some of Christianity's significant contributions are being restored at Jamestown, the entire anniversary campaign still lacks anything that could be described as adequate in its recognition of Christianity.

"The documents on the websites are horrific and shameful, and events themselves are laced with the most offensive revisionism," he told WND. For 350 years, the celebrations of the Jamestown founding always have included Christianity's role, but this year, it is not only being excluded, but being "corrected," he said.

"They are doing the best they can to minimize references to God," he said, citing bookstore offerings that promote "spirit gods" but are a vacuum when it comes to a representation of the historical Christian record.

"It's down on western Christendom, up with spirit guides," he said.

And when confronted with existing historic markers that reference the Bible and its influence, the contemporary programs answer by saying, "The people of the past were wrong," he said.

"The whole thing is rife with revisionist displays, from the movie all the way through the dioramas, they paint the picture of Europeans who came over as elitist barbarians and the savages were noble and advanced," Phillips said.

Kinsolving also asked Perino another question, about Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean's comment that one has to exclude to press in order to "hear anybody's true views."

"Yesterday, a Republican National Committee cited the AP report that Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean said the following: 'If you want to hear anybody's true views, you cannot do it in the same room as the press. If you want to hear the truth from them, you have to exclude the press.' What's the president's opinion of this prescription of the end of press freedom in politics coming from a former governor and national chairman of one of our two main parties?"

"Let me decline to comment," Perino said.

DuBord has documented similar efforts to edit Christianity from the historic references at the U.S. Supreme Court and Jefferson's Monticello estate, and also has that research, as well as his Jamestown research, available on his church website.

To obtain Pastor Todd DuBord's research on this issue, as well as research into the editing of Christian references at the U.S. Supreme Court and Thomas Jefferson's Monticello estate, visit the Lake Almanor Community Church website.

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The Jading of Jamestown by Pastor Todd DuBord http://www.lacconline.org/jading_jamestown.asp

Cross planted at Cape Henry April 29, 1607 http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html

Why do the heathen rage [conspire] and imagine a vain thing.....yet have I set my King on my holy hill of Zion.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#top

Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited [as] towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her........

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4

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#1. To: All (#0)

see more great titles regarding this at the link:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55418

Nation's 1st goal? Spread the Gospel. Historic Jamestown guides told making money was 2nd priority

Posted: April 22, 2007

By Bob Unruh

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55257

The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606

"....Provided always, and our Will and Pleasure is, and we do hereby declare to all Christian Kings, Princes, and States, that if any Person or Persons which shall hereafter be of any of the said several Colonies and Plantations, or any other, by his, their, or any of their Licence and Appointment, shall, at any Time or Times hereafter, rob or spoil, by Sea or Land, or do any Act of unjust and unlawful Hostility to any the Subjects of Us, our Heirs, or Successors, or any the Subjects of any King, Prince, Ruler, Governor, or State, being then in League or Amitie with Us, our Heirs, or Successors, and that upon such Injury, or upon just Complaint of such Prince, Ruler, Governor, or State, or their Subjects, We, our Heirs, or Successors, shall make open Proclamation, within any of the Ports of our Realm of England, commodious for that purpose, That the said Person or Persons, having committed any such robbery, or Spoil, shall, within the term to be limited by such Proclamations, make full Restitution or Satisfaction of all such Injuries done, so as the said Princes, or others so complaining, may hold themselves fully satisfied and contented; And, that if the said Person or Persons, having committed such Robery or Spoil, shall not make, or cause to be made Satisfaction accordingly, within such Time so to be limited, That then it shall be lawful to Us, our Heirs, and Successors, to put the said Person or Persons, having committed such Robbery or Spoil, and their Procurers, Abettors, and Comforters, out of our Allegiance and Protection; And that it shall be lawful and free, for all Princes, and others to pursue with hostility the said offenders, and every of them, and their and every of their Procurers, Aiders, abettors, and comforters, in that behalf......."

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/va01.htm while it's good some of Christianity's significant contributions are being restored at Jamestown, the entire anniversary campaign still lacks anything that could be described as adequate in its recognition of Christianity.

"The documents on the websites are horrific and shameful, and events themselves are laced with the most offensive revisionism," he told WND. For 350 years, the celebrations of the Jamestown founding always have included Christianity's role, but this year, it is not only being excluded, but being "corrected," he said.

coincidental number, that 350 years......

http://350th.org

PRESIDENT BUSH | The President at the National Dinner Celebrating 350 Years of Jewish Life in America on Sept. 14th 2005. ... http://www.350th.org/

President's Remarks at National Dinner Celebrating Jewish Life in ... For 350 years, American Jews have heeded these words, and you've prayed and worked for peace and freedom in America. Freedom to worship is why Jews came to ... www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050914-24.html

Want to create a "new nation" for Jews?....create a conflict, the Revolutionary War, promising no taxation without representation, and liberty and justice for all; end up by taking it all......

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html

problem, crisis, solution.....but not forever.....Psalm 2.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-27   18:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0) (Edited)

If there existed a country today populated by the likes of the Pilgrims that settled Boston- who lived as they lived- they would make Iran's theocracy look like a New York Night Club in comparison.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-04-27   22:17:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, all (#0)

Wow! Bush celebrating famous failures of Christians who thought God wanted them to go to a foreign land and take over.

Who'd a thunk it?

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-27   22:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Burkeman1 (#2)

If there existed a country today populated by the likes of the Pilgrims that settled Boston- who lived as they lived- they would make Iran's theocracy look like a New York Night Club in comparison.

could be a reason for that.....

Maybe the Pilgrims were really Pharisees. Why else would we hear about them and their search for religious freedom, but never hear about the cross that was planted at Cape Henry. Bush's family came over on the Mayflower as Separatists. The definition of a Pharisee, is a religious separatist.

The Pilgrims and the Mayflower Compact..... Summary: The Pilgrims were Separatists, not Puritans. ... "The Mayflower Descents of President George Herbert Walker Bush, First Lady Barbara Pierce Bush, ... http://members.aol.com/RichClark7/pilgrims.htm

and then there's that pesky Pilgrim Society:

http://www.watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

Racism was an institution at that time, ... the infamous Pilgrim Society which included the Rockefeller, Cecil Rhodes, Andrew Carnegie, and many more... http://www.freedomdomain.com/racism.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   0:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

Maybe the Pilgrims were really Pharisees. Why else would we hear about them and their search for religious freedom, but never hear about the cross that was planted at Cape Henry. Bush's family came over on the Mayflower as Separatists. The definition of a Pharisee, is a religious separatist.

interesting. i wasn't aware of that.

christine  posted on  2007-04-28   1:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Paul Revere (#3)

Christians who thought God wanted them to go to a foreign land and take over.

Who'd a thunk it?

God.

Easiest way to understand it, is to start here;

"....the United States of America is that great nation promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 18:18 and others). It is that great nation spoken of by Christ, when He said to the Jewish priests in old Jerusalem, "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."...."

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/ojnj7.htm

Index: The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem By Pastor Sheldon Emry

http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/index.htm

It's not perfect...it errs in thinking the New Israel is all white. Gal. 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10, John 3:16. Other that that, it really helps to get one up to speed on the subject.

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Eze 34:11 ¶ For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and [in] a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment............

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze034.html#11

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#24

Jhn 10:7 ¶ Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly..........

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html#top

2Sa 7:10 — Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Sa/7/10.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   1:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#5)

it is interesting, isn't it? i only found it out rather recently.

might explain this:

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/calendar.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   1:28:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#0)

In 1907 my home of Norfolk, VA commemorated The 300 year anniversary of the first permanent English settlement in the New World, Jamestown.

Although the grounds were muddy because of seasonal rains, the expo drew crowds and dignitaries from around the world. Teddy Roosevelt dispatched most of what was soon to circumnavigate the globe and flex American "muskells" as THE GREAT WHITE FLEET", and the ships were anchored off Sewell's Point for all to see. (the only space suitable for the expo was the newly acquired property that later became the largest military installation in the world, Naval Station Norfolk.

But in 1907 all that was there was Lambert's coal pier. Interesting comparison to today where our largest nuclear powered and armed aircraft carriers would be tied up now if they weren't presently occupied....

"“The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not its mineral rights.”___ J. Paul Getty

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-04-28   2:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6) (Edited)

I don't know how you got the idea you know what God wants, needs, or meant, but I assure you that you do not. God doesn't give a damn about the silly and ancient superstitions that make up your religious beliefs. If you want to know about God, I don't why you'd drag out an old book of stories Jews stole from Egyptians and Assyrians.

You and every jake leg preacher in America thinks he can read the Old Testament and interpret it. No, you can't. First you have to acknowledge it for what it is: a bunch of stories Hebrews stole from the dominant cultures in the region.

You might as well use Tom & Jerry cartoons for your spiritual guidance.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-28   2:42:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Paul Revere (#9)

You might try reading the Bible yourself. Lots of folks with your attitude did just that with the intent of disproving it, and came away preachers.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   9:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8)

Although the grounds were muddy because of seasonal rains, the expo drew crowds and dignitaries from around the world. Teddy Roosevelt dispatched most of what was soon to circumnavigate the globe and flex American "muskells" as THE GREAT WHITE FLEET", and the ships were anchored off Sewell's Point for all to see. (the only space suitable for the expo was the newly acquired property that later became the largest military installation in the world, Naval Station Norfolk.

But in 1907 all that was there was Lambert's coal pier. Interesting comparison to today where our largest nuclear powered and armed aircraft carriers would be tied up now if they weren't presently occupied....

That makes me uncomfortable, but maybe that's the other side of the twoedged sword:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/1/16.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer051.html#20

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/51/20.html

Thank you for the link. I just saw it,and will read it in awhile.....have things to do first.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   9:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

PR takes much offense to any proselytizing. Seems to me that he protesteth too much.

A cursory glimpse of the scriptures is inadequate to the task of finding the hidden treasures buried deep within and made more clear through an intense and objective search.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-04-28   10:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#12)

A cursory glimpse of the scriptures is inadequate to the task of finding the hidden treasures buried deep within and made more clear through an intense and objective search.

so true...i had the same thought after i posted that. after all, the Bible says to SEARCH the scriptures:

Jhn 5:39 — Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/5/39.html

Pastor Emry's study on New Jerusalem would have given him a leg up, but only if he wanted that.

I think Patrick Henry would cringe at his use of his name, though. Henry once said that if he left his family all the wealth in the world, he would leave them poor if he had not left them a faith in Christ.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   10:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HOUNDDAWG, noone222 (#11)

Here's a still-prophetic promise for America I look forward to seeing fulfilled soon [i never can remember where it is, and had to go search for it]:

Eze 36:12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, [even] my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them [of men].

Eze 36:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they say unto you, Thou [land] devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations;

Eze 36:14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 36:15 Neither will I cause [men] to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord GOD............

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze036.html#13

see also Isaiah 65. There are two Israels there. One is cursed [verse 15; see also Matthew 23]. The prophetic Israel is blessed.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15

Eze 36:8 ¶ But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.

Eze 36:9 For, behold, I [am] for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown:

Eze 36:10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, [even] all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

Eze 36:11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD................

who does THAT refer to? that God-forsaken place in the Middle East, or to America?

Zec 2:1 ¶ I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.

Zec 2:2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what [is] the breadth thereof, and what [is] the length thereof.

Zec 2:3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,

Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited [as] towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4

hidden treasures from the Word of God.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   10:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Christine (#7)

Hey ... that's my book ...

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-04-28   10:55:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15)

Lots of Jews named Bush during the Revolutionary period considering there were only 3000 total Jews in America.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-04-28   10:59:43 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#15)

Hey ... that's my book ...

hope you have it in a safe place!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   11:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#17)

Under "Armed Guard" ... snicker !

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-04-28   11:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#16)

Lots of Jews named Bush during the Revolutionary period considering there were only 3000 total Jews in America.

Num 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them [shall be] pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Num/33/55.html

Luk 6:43 ¶ For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk006.html#44

bush/Strong's Concordance:

Lexicon Results for batos (Strong's 942)

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) a thorn or bramble bush

more hidden treasures

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   11:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: noone222 (#14)

Isa 65:15 — And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/65/15.html

Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you...........

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/15/15.html

Act 11:26 — And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Act/11/26.html

Eph 3:14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eph/Eph003.html#15

more treasures.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   11:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#19)

I read a book entitled "History of the Jews in America" by "Klevinger" (a Jew) and in it the George Bush of the Revolutionary era was described as having had controversial history related to "Benedict Arnold" ... but he didn't elaborate.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-04-28   11:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222 (#21)

I recently had a little time on my hands, and spent an afternoon in a library looking up genealogical records on the Bush family. I found a book on the sons of the revolution. The first volume was missing...and the second mentioned George H. W. and George W., but not in a very revealing way. They've been destroying our history for a looong time I'm afraid.

FAITH UNDER FIRE

Ten Commandments stunner: Feds lying at Supreme Court Government tells modern visitors it's Bill of Rights being honored!!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52895

reminds me of how they "lost" the Originial Thirteenth Amendment.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   11:43:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

You might try reading the Bible yourself.

I'm sure I've studied the Bible much more thoroughly than you, and not as a true believer of the ridiculous beliefs of your religion.

The problem with Bible thumpers is they're ignorant. They know what someone who is equally ignorant told them, about some ridiculous tale.

Keep using ancient fairy tales to divine your future, or you could read goat entrails.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-28   14:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Paul Revere (#23)

you go your way, and i'll go my Way....i know where my Way leads :)

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   14:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)

you go your way, and i'll go my Way....i know where my Way leads :)

Yes, it leads to living a life based upon some fairy tale told long ago, wrongly assuming you understand why we are here and what we're supposed to be doing.

All religions are confirmation for people that what they want to believe is right.

You're as right as the Hindu and Muslim are.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-28   15:07:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Paul Revere (#25)

Yes, it leads to living a life based upon some fairy tale told long ago, wrongly assuming you understand why we are here and what we're supposed to be doing.

and what make you the expert on that?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   15:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Paul Revere (#25)

If you want to know about God, I don't why you'd drag out an old book of stories Jews stole from Egyptians and Assyrians.

You're as right as the Hindu and Muslim are.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Exd/19/4.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/10/5.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Pro/14/34.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/60/12.html

His words, not mine

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-28   15:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)

I'm not following your links to some bible thumping site. If you want me to read it, cut and paste.

If you're using the Bible and the quotes it alleges, don't bother. Unlike you, I recognize that ancient library for what it is. You might as well be quoting Moby Dick or War and Peace.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-28   15:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)

Yes, it leads to living a life based upon some fairy tale told long ago, wrongly assuming you understand why we are here and what we're supposed to be doing.

and what make you the expert on that?

I've spent a lifetime overcoming the ignorance your thinking represents, and replacing it with knowledge, history, and reason

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-28   15:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Paul Revere (#29)

could have fooled me.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-29   4:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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