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Religion See other Religion Articles Title: President to look at Jamestown's 'PC' past ; Plans to visit settlement that was founded in 1607 to spread Gospel © 2007 http://WorldNetDaily.com The president plans a visit May 13 to Jamestown, Va., the settlement founded four centuries ago with the primary goal of spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ and he'll be aware of complaints that its history is being revised to exclude its Christian heritage. White House spokeswoman Dana confirmed plans for the visit and then promised to look into concerns of a politically correct perspective being applied retroactively at Jamestown when Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, asked her about it. "Columnist Mona Charen reports that Mary Wade, who was on one of the Jamestown 2007 committees, said, 'You can't celebrate an invasion,'" Kinsolving said. "Does the president agree with this…" WND reported earlier about the controversial edits that are being made to America's history as part of the 400th anniversary events surrounding Jamestown. Official sponsoring organizations have banned the word "celebration," because of Wade's comments. The influential Jamestown 2007 Commemoration planner and Indian activist made the "invasion" statement, then continued. After all, she said, Indian tribes "were pushed back off of their land, even killed. Whole tribes were annihilated. A lot of people carry that oral history with them, and that's why they use the word 'invasion,' because it truly was an invasion, and I'm sure some of the Indian people will probably want to tell that as a part of the story of 400 years." Jamestown, whose settlers arrived 13 years before the Plymouth, Mass., Pilgrims, in fact, introduced to what later became the United States its first Christian common law, a republican representative government, the first Protestant Christian worship service, and its first interracial marriage "I know the president is looking forward to going to Jamestown on May 13," Perino said. But she said she would have to decline to comment on the rest until she could look into it. Wade's comments had come in an interview with Voice of America, and highlighted the revisions that are going on regarding the history of Jamestown – and America. It also left a message about how important are the disputes over the political perspective now being applied retroactively to America's history. "I believe this is one of the most significant battles of our day," said Doug Phillips, president of Vision Forum Ministries and the founder of the Jamestown Quadricentennial: A Celebration of America's Providential History, Vision Forum's own series of events to celebrate the quadricentennial. "It is the battle for our history." He has told WND thatthe Jamestown settlers arrived with not only an economic commission from England, but orders to spread the Good News of Jesus, noting **** one of the founders of Jamestown, Richard Hakluyt, wrote, "Wee shall by plantinge there inlarge the glory of the gospel, and from England plante sincere religion, and provide a safe and a sure place to receave people from all partes of the worlds that are forced to flee for the truthe of Gods worde." While Phillips has been raising issues of politically correct history in the events around the 400th anniversary, Calfornia pastor Todd Dubord of Lake Almanor Community Church has raised similar issues regarding the actual presentations by tour guides at the historic sites. He had noted that when he asked about representations of the Ten Commandments and Apostles Creed, his guide said guides were only allowed to describe them as religious representations. But now, as WND recently reported, changes are being made. After WND reported guides were gagged on that subject, a new memo was issued by managers at the site. Titled "Teaching about English Motivations for Settlement in Virginia" the memo asks the dozens of guides who work at the site to "include all three major motivations for settlement in your tour and program presentations, from now on." **** "The first motivation mentioned in the 1606 charter is to spread the Christian religion. The statement below is made by or on behalf of King James to the major investors in the Virginia Company," the memo said. Wee, greately commending and graciously accepting of theire desires to the furtherance of soe noble a worke which may, by the providence of Almightie God, hereafter tende to the glorie of His Divine Maiestie to suche people as yet live in darkeness and miserable ignorance of the true knoweledge and worshippe of God and may in tyme bring the infidels and salvages living in those parts to humane civilitie and to a setled and quiet governmente… The memo said it obtained the documentation from two primary sources, the original charter granted by King James to the Virginia Company on April 10, 1606, and the London Council of the Virginia Company's "Instructions given by way of Advice," dated between Nov. 20 and Dec. 19, 1606. The second goal of the "joint stockholding company" was for the purpose of "making a profit" from the raw materials investors hoped to find in Virginia, the memo said. "Many of you have been presenting programs here for several years or more, and it can be a challenge to adjust information that has become a routine part of your program. Please make a concerted effort to become comfortable with the changes, and begin including them immediately. We can always improve the scope and accuracy of our presentations, and in this case the changes achieve both these goals," the instructions concluded. Joseph A. Gutierrez, Jr., senior director of the Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation, told Dubord he is comfortable that the new instructions include the necessary balance of religious and secular interests. Gutierrez also earlier confirmed that the managing board had approved new interpretive programs for 2007, including new church-based programs such as "Tolling of the Bell: Religion at Jamestown" which is being added to the existing church programming, "The Law and the Lord," and "Rule of Law." Phillips' organization is planning a series of events for June 11-16 to celebrate the 400 years, and he said while it's good some of Christianity's significant contributions are being restored at Jamestown, the entire anniversary campaign still lacks anything that could be described as adequate in its recognition of Christianity. "The documents on the websites are horrific and shameful, and events themselves are laced with the most offensive revisionism," he told WND. For 350 years, the celebrations of the Jamestown founding always have included Christianity's role, but this year, it is not only being excluded, but being "corrected," he said. "They are doing the best they can to minimize references to God," he said, citing bookstore offerings that promote "spirit gods" but are a vacuum when it comes to a representation of the historical Christian record. "It's down on western Christendom, up with spirit guides," he said. And when confronted with existing historic markers that reference the Bible and its influence, the contemporary programs answer by saying, "The people of the past were wrong," he said. "The whole thing is rife with revisionist displays, from the movie all the way through the dioramas, they paint the picture of Europeans who came over as elitist barbarians and the savages were noble and advanced," Phillips said. Kinsolving also asked Perino another question, about Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean's comment that one has to exclude to press in order to "hear anybody's true views." "Yesterday, a Republican National Committee cited the AP report that Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean said the following: 'If you want to hear anybody's true views, you cannot do it in the same room as the press. If you want to hear the truth from them, you have to exclude the press.' What's the president's opinion of this prescription of the end of press freedom in politics coming from a former governor and national chairman of one of our two main parties?" "Let me decline to comment," Perino said. DuBord has documented similar efforts to edit Christianity from the historic references at the U.S. Supreme Court and Jefferson's Monticello estate, and also has that research, as well as his Jamestown research, available on his church website. To obtain Pastor Todd DuBord's research on this issue, as well as research into the editing of Christian references at the U.S. Supreme Court and Thomas Jefferson's Monticello estate, visit the Lake Almanor Community Church website. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The Jading of Jamestown by Pastor Todd DuBord http://www.lacconline.org/jading_jamestown.asp Cross planted at Cape Henry April 29, 1607 http://www.nps.gov/archive/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html Why do the heathen rage [conspire] and imagine a vain thing.....yet have I set my King on my holy hill of Zion. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#top Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited [as] towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her........ 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#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, all (#0)
Wow! Bush celebrating famous failures of Christians who thought God wanted them to go to a foreign land and take over. Who'd a thunk it?
Who'd a thunk it? God. Easiest way to understand it, is to start here; "....the United States of America is that great nation promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 18:18 and others). It is that great nation spoken of by Christ, when He said to the Jewish priests in old Jerusalem, "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."...." http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/ojnj7.htm Index: The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem By Pastor Sheldon Emry http://www.historicist.com/ojnj/index.htm It's not perfect...it errs in thinking the New Israel is all white. Gal. 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10, John 3:16. Other that that, it really helps to get one up to speed on the subject. ==================== Eze 34:11 ¶ For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and [in] a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up [that which was] broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment............ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze034.html#11 Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#24 Jhn 10:7 ¶ Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. Jhn 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.......... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html#top 2Sa 7:10 — Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
I don't know how you got the idea you know what God wants, needs, or meant, but I assure you that you do not. God doesn't give a damn about the silly and ancient superstitions that make up your religious beliefs. If you want to know about God, I don't why you'd drag out an old book of stories Jews stole from Egyptians and Assyrians. You and every jake leg preacher in America thinks he can read the Old Testament and interpret it. No, you can't. First you have to acknowledge it for what it is: a bunch of stories Hebrews stole from the dominant cultures in the region. You might as well use Tom & Jerry cartoons for your spiritual guidance.
You might try reading the Bible yourself. Lots of folks with your attitude did just that with the intent of disproving it, and came away preachers.
I'm sure I've studied the Bible much more thoroughly than you, and not as a true believer of the ridiculous beliefs of your religion. The problem with Bible thumpers is they're ignorant. They know what someone who is equally ignorant told them, about some ridiculous tale. Keep using ancient fairy tales to divine your future, or you could read goat entrails.
you go your way, and i'll go my Way....i know where my Way leads :)
#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#24)
Yes, it leads to living a life based upon some fairy tale told long ago, wrongly assuming you understand why we are here and what we're supposed to be doing. All religions are confirmation for people that what they want to believe is right. You're as right as the Hindu and Muslim are.
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