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Title: How three million Germans died after VE Day
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Published: Apr 28, 2007
Author: Nigel Jones
Post Date: 2007-04-28 17:58:04 by robin
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How three million Germans died after VE Day Last Updated: 12:01am BST 18/04/2007 Nigel Jones reviews After the Reich: From the Liberation of Vienna to the Berlin Airlift by Giles MacDonogh Giles MacDonogh is a bon viveur and a historian of wine and gastronomy, but in this book, pursuing his other consuming interest - German history - he serves a dish to turn the strongest of stomachs. It makes particularly uncomfortable reading for those who compare the disastrous occupation of Iraq unfavourably to the post-war settlement of Germany and Austria. MacDonogh argues that the months that followed May 1945 brought no peace to the shattered skeleton of Hitler's Reich, but suffering even worse than the destruction wrought by the war. After the atrocities that the Nazis had visited on Europe, some degree of justified vengeance by their victims was inevitable, but the appalling bestialities that MacDonogh documents so soberly went far beyond that. The first 200 pages of his brave book are an almost unbearable chronicle of human suffering. advertisement His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities. A million soldiers vanished before they could creep back to the holes that had been their homes. The majority of them died in Soviet captivity (of the 90,000 who surrendered at Stalingrad, only 5,000 eventually came home) but, shamingly, many thousands perished as prisoners of the Anglo-Americans. Herded into cages along the Rhine, with no shelter and very little food, they dropped like flies. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labour in a score of Allied countries, often for years. Incredibly, some Germans were still being held in Russia as late as 1979. The two million German civilians who died were largely the old, women and children: victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide - and mass murder. Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh - for the first time in English - is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots. The survivors of this ethnic cleansing, naked and shivering, were pitched across the border, never to return to their homes. Similar scenes were seen across Poland, Silesia and East Prussia as age-old German communities were brutally expunged. Given that what amounted to a lesser Holocaust was unfolding under their noses, it may be asked why the western Allies did not stop this venting of long-dammed-up rage on the (mainly) innocent. MacDonogh's answer is that it could all have been even worse. The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities. The discovery of the Nazi death camps stoked Allied fury, with General George Patton asking an aide amid the horrors of Buchenwald: 'Do you still find it hard to hate them?' But the surviving inmates were soon replaced by German captives - Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and even Auschwitz stayed in business after the war, only now with the Germans behind the wire. It was Realpolitik, not humanitarian concern, that caused a swift shift in western attitudes towards their former foes. Fear of Communism spreading into the heart of Europe, and the barbarities of the Russians - who kidnapped and killed hundreds of their perceived enemies from the western zones of Berlin and Vienna - belatedly made the West realise that they had beaten one totalitarian power only to be threatened by another. Even that hardline Kraut-hater Patton was sacked for advocating a pre-emptive strike against Russia. Building up West Germany and saving Berlin from Soviet strangulation with the 1948 airlift became the first battles of the Cold War - even if that meant overlooking Nazi crimes and enlisting Nazi criminals in the 'economic miracle' of reconstruction. Although MacDonogh roundly condemns all the occupying powers, the British emerge with some credit. Apart from one Air Marshal who looted art treasures; and an MI5 interrogator nicknamed 'Tin Eye' Stephens who ran a private torture chamber, British hands may have been grubby, but were not deeply blood-stained. British squaddies preferred to purchase their sex privately with a packet of fags or a pair of nylons, rather than in the Soviet style. MacDonogh has written a gruelling but important book. This unhappy story has long been cloaked in silence since telling it suited no one. Not the Allies, because it placed them near the moral nadir of the Nazis; nor the Germans, because they did not wish to be accused of whitewashing Hitler by highlighting what was, by any standard, a war crime. Giles MacDonogh has told a very inconvenient truth.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
Let's not forget that this was not the first time in the 20th Century that German civilians were subjected to war crimes. Germany was defeated not by force of Allied arms in World War I, but by an illegal naval blockade by the British, which led to near starvation of the German populace. This blockade was continued even after the November 11, 1918 Armistice, until Germany capitulated to the Allies' "peace" demands, including a Kriegsschuld indemnity which resulted in further suffering of the German civilian population, and paved the way for Hitler's ascent.
Puissent tous les hommes se souvenir qu'ils sont frères!
This is sickeningly sad information - but, I don't doubt a word of it.
...and the rest is history.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." — Albert Einstein
thanks for telling us about that. The Germans were so strong militarilly to be able to take on so many other nations in both world wars. From German point of view they were horribly persecuted by WW1. In WW2 it seems they lost 5.2 million men in uniform and another 4 million it seems of civilians. I wonder how many we'll lose when we are finally invaded.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The number is higher than usually cited, but this is common knowledge. German soldiers, particularly those outside of Germany, went to great lengths to surrender to U.S. or Brit troops rather than get caught by civilians or the Russians. Many failed. The U.S. also was very direct, telling its troops not to have any mercy on German civilians, who were treated very poorly. Many of them deserved it. Many others were truly innocents. The occupying forces weren't particularly choosey.
I don't remember this bit.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." — Albert Einstein
It's a good thing Ike was in charge. Half our army wanted to plant the Germans and see what grew. The neighboring countries wanted Germany plowed under and its citizens dispersed...or worse. What amazes me is that so little wholesale slaughter actually occurred. If most of Europe had its way, Germany would be a big unpopulated park today. A neighbor of mine when I was young told me the troops absolutely HATED the German civilians, even more than the captured soldiers, because, as he put it, "that harmless looking grandpa had probably been using slave labor all through the war, getting rich while we were dying."
And look how we helped Japan after the war (well except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki); despite the barbarity of their troops to our allies and our troops.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." — Albert Einstein
I love these Truth articles that blow apart the revisionist history we were taught in government schools. Russians good guys? HA! I used to have a Russian girlfriend. Very hot. She, also said to me "Never Trust A Russian!" about her own people. Chimpstrusts them which is not a safe bet for us.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Who's going to invade us? Canada? The Third World toilet known as Mexico?
"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides
The Germans knew they would be attacked by the Jewish Communists from Russia. It's all part of the plan. Re: thwarting predators by tasting bad; do drugs and smoke tobacco; the lizzards don't like that....that's why they prefer our young.
#2. To: robin (#0)
#3. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#1)
and paved the way for Hitler's ascent
#4. To: Peetie Wheatstraw, robin (#1)
#5. To: robin (#0)
#6. To: Mekons4 (#5)
The US Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, favoured turning Germany into a gigantic farm, and there were genocidal Nazi-like schemes afoot to starve, sterilise or deport the population of what was left of the bombed-out cities.
#7. To: robin (#6)
#8. To: Mekons4 (#7)
#9. To: robin (#0)
Apart from the well-known repeated rape of virtually every girl and woman unlucky enough to be in the Soviet occupation zones
#10. To: Red Jones (#4)
I wonder how many we'll lose when we are finally invaded.
#11. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
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