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Title: NRA Says Banning Gun Sales To Terror Suspects An Infringement
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/a-710959~NR ... _suspects_an_infringement.html
Published: May 4, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-05-04 15:41:28 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 204
Comments: 19

The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

"As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

In a letter supporting the measure, Acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling said the bill would not automatically prevent a gun sale to a suspected terrorist. In some cases, federal agents may want to let a sale go forward to avoid compromising an ongoing investigation.

Hertling also notes there is a process to challenge denial of a sale.

Current law requires gun dealers to conduct a criminal background check and deny sales if a gun purchaser falls under a specified prohibition, including a felony conviction, domestic abuse conviction or illegal immigration. There is no legal basis to deny a sale if a purchaser is on a terror watch list.

"When I tell people that you can be on a terrorist watch list and still be allowed to buy as many guns as you want, they are shocked," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which supports Lautenberg's bill.

In the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, lawmakers are weighing a number of measures to strengthen gun sale laws. The NRA, which usually opposes increased restrictions on firearms, is taking different positions depending on the proposal.

A 2005 study by the Government Accountability Office found that 35 of 44 firearm purchase attempts over a five-month period made by known or suspected terrorists were approved by the federal law enforcement officials.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

"As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

In a letter supporting the measure, Acting Assistant Attorney General Richard Hertling said the bill would not automatically prevent a gun sale to a suspected terrorist. In some cases, federal agents may want to let a sale go forward to (ENTRAP THE SUSPECT) avoid compromising an ongoing investigation.

A disarmed populace can't very well revolt or defend itself against the police, can it.

Betcha that list will get a LOT longer if this thing passes.

Paranoia is a survival trait in a Decidership.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-05-04   15:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Current law requires gun dealers to conduct a criminal background check and deny sales if a gun purchaser falls under a specified prohibition, including a felony conviction, domestic abuse conviction or illegal immigration.

Whoever wrote this story has never purchased a weapon from a dealer, and didn't bother to research how one is "legally" obtained.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-04   15:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lodwick (#2)

The very first sentence of the report was crafted specifically for its propaganda value in causing more fear and hatred of the N.R.A. among ignorant Americans.

Bub  posted on  2007-05-04   16:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Bub (#3)

The very first sentence of the report was crafted specifically for its propaganda value in causing more fear and hatred of the N.R.A. among ignorant Americans.

So was the headline. A better headline might be: "NRA Opposes Government Banlist For Firearms Purchases" or "NRA Opposes Government's Arbitrary Banning of Firearms Purchases by Citizens"

Paranoia is a survival trait in a Decidership.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-05-04   16:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

[…] based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

Since most of my favorite freedom-fighters are terrorists to our dual-citizen homeland security clowns, I can just see where this is headed.

I will not trust Washington until Lenin’s cadaver is totally out of the loop.

Thank goodness Gonzo is on his way out!

karelian  posted on  2007-05-04   17:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#0)

In the eyes of the Smirk n Snarl administration, everyone here is a suspected terrahist, no doubt.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-04   17:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Bub (#3)

The very first sentence of the report was crafted specifically for its propaganda value in causing more fear and hatred of the N.R.A. among ignorant Americans.

Check out what is happening at the Huffington Post. The anti-firearms rights group have always been silly in their posts/comments on that site. I have never seen anything remotely like what is happening there now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/comments/2007/05/04/47687/1

FarSeeingArt  posted on  2007-05-04   18:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S (#0)

Unfortunately, the people who have supported the administration's suppression of other constitutional rights are not in a good position to start defending this particular right.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-05-04   19:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: karelian (#5)

I will not trust Washington until Lenin’s cadaver is totally out of the loop.

well put!

Thank goodness Gonzo is on his way out!

What is taking so long?!

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-04   19:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#0)

: NRA Says Banning Gun Sales To Terror Suspects An Infringement

Prior restraint is repugnant to the constitution.

So far BushCo has yet to convict a single terror suspect from their watch list, or prove the slightest connection to terrorism.

~nobody luvs mee everybody hates mee I think I'm going out to the garden and eat worms mommy!~

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-05-04   19:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FarSeeingArt (#7)

most of the posts make no sense!

christine  posted on  2007-05-04   19:40:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: karelian (#5)

Since most of my favorite freedom-fighters are terrorists to our dual-citizen homeland security clowns

love it!

christine  posted on  2007-05-04   19:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lodwick (#2)

Whoever wrote this story has never purchased a weapon from a dealer, and didn't bother to research how one is "legally" obtained.

I'm a gun dealer, and I don't see what inaccuracy in the story you're objecting to.

The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2007-05-05   12:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Indrid Cold (#13)

My dealers make one call: they don't do the background checks or anything else, other than take my cash.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-05   12:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: lodwick (#14)

My dealers make one call: they don't do the background checks or anything else, other than take my cash.

My dealers make one call too, then a kid comes riding up on a bike, we swap cash for gun and the deal is done.

/chuckle

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-05-05   12:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: karelian (#5)

Since most of my favorite freedom-fighters are terrorists to our dual-citizen homeland security clowns, I can just see where this is headed.

I will not trust Washington until Lenin’s cadaver is totally out of the loop.

Thank goodness Gonzo is on his way out!

I see a "terrorist threat" every time one of those guys with the red and blue lights slips in behind me.

Fighting domestic terrorism in the guise of "law enforcement" should be at the top of everyone's agenda.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-05   12:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Brian S (#15)

My dealers make one call too, then a kid comes riding up on a bike, we swap cash for gun and the deal is done.

The perfect example of why the laws never really work...if someone wants something, they'll figger out a way to get it no matter what's on the books.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-05   12:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lodwick (#17)

Actually its been at least 25 years since I made a purchase in that fashion but I'm glad to see you got the jest of my comment.

"Hot guns", especially pistols/rifles scare the hell out of me with the history that they could carry.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-05-05   12:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Brian S (#18)

"Hot guns", especially pistols/rifles scare the hell out of me with the history that they could carry.

Good point, very good point.

http://www.thehighroad.org has some good "friend to friend" buyers and sellers with which I've done a couple of deals.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-05   12:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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