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Title: Was WWII orth It?
Source: Antiwar.com
URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=5899
Published: May 11, 2005
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2005-05-11 05:57:55 by Zoroaster
Keywords: WWII, orth
Views: 3009
Comments: 9

May 11, 2005 Was WWII Worth It? For Stalin, yes by Patrick J. Buchanan In the Bush vs. Putin debate on World War II, Putin had far the more difficult assignment. Defending Russia's record in the "Great Patriotic War," the Russian president declared, "Our people not only defended their homeland, they liberated 11 European countries."

Those countries are, presumably: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, and Finland.

To ascertain whether Moscow truly liberated those lands, we might survey the sons and daughters of the generation that survived liberation by a Red Army that pillaged, raped, and murdered its way westward across Europe. As at Katyn Forest, that army eradicated the real heroes who fought to retain the national and Christian character of their countries.

To Bush, these nations were not liberated. "As we mark a victory of six decades ago, we are mindful of a paradox," he said:

"For much of Eastern and Central Europe, victory brought the iron rule of another empire. V-E day marked the end of fascism, but it did not end the oppression. The agreement in Yalta followed in the unjust tradition of Munich and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable. … The captivity of millions in Central and Eastern Europe will be remembered as one of the greatest wrongs in history."

Bush told the awful truth about what really triumphed in World War II east of the Elbe. And it was not freedom. It was Stalin, the most odious tyrant of the century. Where Hitler killed his millions, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, and Castro murdered their tens of millions.

Leninism was the Black Death of the 20th century.

The truths bravely declared by Bush at Riga, Latvia, raise questions that too long remained hidden, buried, or ignored.

If Yalta was a betrayal of small nations as immoral as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, why do we venerate Churchill and FDR? At Yalta, this pair secretly ceded those small nations to Stalin, co-signing a cynical "Declaration on Liberated Europe" that was a monstrous lie.

As FDR and Churchill consigned these peoples to a Stalinist hell run by a monster they alternately and affectionately called "Uncle Joe" and "Old Bear," why are they not in the history books alongside Neville Chamberlain, who sold out the Czechs at Munich by handing the Sudetenland over to Germany? At least the Sudeten Germans wanted to be with Germany. No Christian peoples of Europe ever embraced their Soviet captors or Stalinist quislings.

Other questions arise. If Britain endured six years of war and hundreds of thousands of dead in a war she declared to defend Polish freedom, and Polish freedom was lost to communism, how can we say Britain won the war?

If the West went to war to stop Hitler from dominating Eastern and Central Europe, and Eastern and Central Europe ended up under a tyranny even more odious, as Bush implies, did Western civilization win the war?

In 1938, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain refused. In 1939, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Poland. Chamberlain agreed. At the end of the war Churchill wanted and got, Czechoslovakia and Poland were in Stalin's empire.

How, then, can men proclaim Churchill "Man of the Century"?

True, U.S. and British troops liberated France, Holland, and Belgium from Nazi occupation. But before Britain declared war on Germany, France, Holland, and Belgium did not need to be liberated. They were free. They were only invaded and occupied after Britain and France declared war on Germany – on behalf of Poland.

When one considers the losses suffered by Britain and France – hundreds of thousands dead, destitution, bankruptcy, the end of the empires – was World War II worth it, considering that Poland and all the other nations east of the Elbe were lost anyway?

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.

If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.

Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?

The war Britain and France declared to defend Polish freedom ended up making Poland and all of Eastern and Central Europe safe for Stalinism. And at the festivities in Moscow, Americans and Russians were front and center, smiling – not British and French. Understandably.

Yes, Bush has opened up quite a can of worms.

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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)

The truths bravely declared by Bush at Riga, Latvia, raise questions that too long remained hidden, buried, or ignored.

Brave? There goes Buchanan again. He knows full well it took no bravery whatsoever to say what Bush said. DC is trying to kick the bear for good measure. In what way are the interests of Americans served by Bush going abroad and basically insulting the Russians like this? Is what he said true? Yes. But that is wholly immaterial. Putin doesn't come to America and go before black audiences and talk about their long suffering at the hands of a government that once embraced segregation and racial classification.

Those truths are best left to academics and historians and punidit writers. What Bush said wasn't for America or for truth or for freedom, what he said, if it was going to be said, should have been said 30 years ago. That time has come and past. What Bush was doing was intentionally and NEEDLESSLY inflaming Russia and Russians. That is always good for the Beltway and the DC Imperium. It also stokes tension in the region. Not good for America. What possible reason could Bush have for saying such things? Is he a philosopher? Is he a historian? Or is he just making sure DC has plenty of enemies in the future to "defend" against? Yeah, Pat, that was real "Brave" of Bush to tell our new rump allies that we have ringing Russia what they wanted to hear while Bush slapped Russia around. I am sure all the "libruls" in America will be "mad" at him.

Burkeman1  posted on  2005-05-11   6:49:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Great post, it pretty much sums up my take on the Bush trip.

Buchanan, it seems to me, is the Trojan Horse that wrecked the Reform Party. He did it so Genghis W. Bush could defeat Weird Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election. Remember, Buchanan endorsed Bush in 2004. Buchanan is a stealth Republican whose more neocon than populist.

Putin is on the Zionist hit list for daring to bring criminal charges against the Jewish oligarchs in Russia. Bush, by attacking Putin, was simply advancing the Zionist/NWO agenda.

Zoroaster  posted on  2005-05-11   7:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zoroaster (#2)

Welcome to the forum, Z.

wbales  posted on  2005-05-11   7:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zoroaster (#2)

Buchanan, it seems to me, is the Trojan Horse that wrecked the Reform Party. He did it so Genghis W. Bush could defeat Weird Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election. Remember, Buchanan endorsed Bush in 2004. Buchanan is a stealth Republican whose more neocon than populist.

Sadly, I think you are right. Buchanan seems appealing at times, but then he always gets back in line as a good party man. I think you hit the nail on the head, about his deliberately neutering the Reform Party so Junior could get elected.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-05-11   8:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Or is he just making sure DC has plenty of enemies in the future to "defend" against?

Bingo!

Hey, it's hard work creating enemies! A prethident's work is never done.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-05-11   8:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zoroaster (#2)

Hi Zoroaster. Welcome to 4.

christine  posted on  2005-05-11   8:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zoroaster, Burkeman1 (#2)

Buchanan, it seems to me, is the Trojan Horse that wrecked the Reform Party.

Putin is on the Zionist hit list for daring to bring criminal charges against the Jewish oligarchs in Russia. Bush, by attacking Putin, was simply advancing the Zionist/NWO agenda.

Welcome Zoroaster!

Buchanan sold out. Remember his analysis of Bush's second debate. So obvious.

I enjoyed both of your posts. It's feels very strange, but I'm more inclined to pray for Putin's safety than my own President's. Did you catch 60 Minutes Sunday?

robin  posted on  2005-05-11   9:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zoroaster (#0)

If we'd minded the Constitution and founding priciples of our nation, we'd have never meddled with either of the warring parties and neither fascism, nor communism would have come out the victor in WWII. America would be a much, much better place right now. We quite likely would have ended up that Shining City on a Hill that we were destined to be, but squandered away.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-11   10:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#4)

Buchanan has always been a creature of the Establishment. If he had any integrity at all, he would have followed in the footsteps of Ralph Nader and continued the good fight against the Republicrats. The wreckage he left of the Reform Party was still smolering when he returned to his big media Zionist paymasters.

To uderstand Buchanan follow the money.

Zoroaster  posted on  2005-05-12   9:10:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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