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Title: "Seven is exploding"
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0
Published: Apr 16, 2007
Author: Canale 5
Post Date: 2007-05-05 10:55:52 by honway
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Views: 3569
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From:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8267

On April 16, 2007, a major Italian network (Canale 5) has aired some conclusive evidence that Building 7 did not collapse on its own, but was deliberately taken down with the use of explosives.

The piece was part of a larger presentation we provided to the network as an update on the ongoing research on 9/11. In particular, we included a clip we had all seen many times before, but possibly never listened to with the full attention it deserved. Here is the 6 min. segment (please ignore yellow subtitles): Subscribe to *9-11*

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#3. To: (#0) (Edited)

Counterpunch: Dark Fire - The Fall of WTC 7

There were five emergency power systems in WTC 7. Three of them (American Express, OEM, U.S. Secret Service) drew fuel from the other two and larger systems (Salomon Smith Barney, Silverstein Properties). (1c), (8)

The emergency power for the building (Silverstein Properties) was provided by two 900 kW generators on the southwest corner of Floor 5. They drew fuel from a 275 gallon tank nearby, and this was replenished by pumps drawing from two 12,000 gallon tanks at ground level under the loading dock, at the southwest corner of the building.

The SSB emergency power system used nine 1,725 kW generators on Floor 5: three in the southwest corner, two near the west end of the north face, four at the east end of the north face. Louvers for air intake and exhaust were situated on the building faces near the generators. Because there was already a 275 gallon "day tank" on this floor, the SSB system pumped on demand from their own pair of 6,000 gallon storage tanks, also situated under the loading dock, under the southwestern part of the building.

The fuel supplier was contracted to keep the tanks full, and they were full that day.

Fuel pipes for all systems except SSB ran up the western side of the core of the building, along elevator shafts. The SSB pipes ran up a shaft through mechanical spaces near the southwest corner of the building.

Kindling

After 1 p.m. on September 11, 2001, WTC 7 was an evacuated, stricken building. The southwest corner and central third of the south face had been ripped open by the cascading debris from the collapse of WTC 1. Fires burned in sections of Floors 6 through 30 at different times, and they migrated along their floors independently, seeking new sources of fuel. From the street the fires on Floors 11 and 12 appeared most intense. Many fires in the area went unchecked because utility power for electrical pumps, and water pressure for fire engines had either diminished or been lost.

This is what happened.

A Pumped Oil Spill

The debris fall ripping into the southwest corner ruptured the oil pipes of the SSB pressurized fuel distribution system. Operating as intended -- the lack of utility power triggering the "need", and the lack of pressure due to a severed pipe signaling the "demand", the SSB system pumped oil up from its 12,000 gallon basement reservoir, maximally with a pressure of 50 psi (pounds per square inch) and flow rate of 75 gpm (gallons per minute), onto Floor 5.

Pumping would have started at 9:59 a.m., when Con Ed cut utility power to WTC 7; and the spilling would have started a half hour later when the pressurized pipe was cut. The SSB pumps could have drained the two 6,000 gallon tanks in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Engineers from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation found that "there was a maximum loss of 12,000 gallons of diesel from two underground storage tanks registered as 7WTC." (10)

Additionally, "Both tanks were found to be damaged by debris and empty several months after the collapse. Some fuel contamination was found in the gravel below the tanks and the sand below the slab on which the tanks were mounted, but no contamination was found in the organic marine silt/clay layer underneath." (7)

By contrast, 20,000 gallons of oil was recovered from the two 12,000 gallon tanks of Silverstein Properties. (10)

Pulled up by the emergency pumps, the SSB diesel fuel went , from the 6,000 gallon storage tanks, under the loading dock, under the southwestern part of the building, to floor 5.

It may all have been pumped out by 1 p.m., or it may have been pumped out at a rate as low as 29 gpm for 7 hours. Since this fuel was absent from the wreckage, it was burned. You can see it as the huge plume of black smoke rising from the World Trade Center, in panoramic photographs of that day. Diesel fuel can supply 2.13 MW of power per gpm given an air supply of 1333 cfm (cubic feet per minute). (11)

Thus, a diesel fuel gusher of 75 gpm burning with excess air would produce 160 MW of heat; a total energy of 1536 GJ for the 12,000 gallons. This energy is equivalent to that released by an explosion of 367 tons of TNT. If the pumping rate is lower, or the air supply is throttled, then the burning would occur at a lower rate. Since the louver system along Floor 5 was designed to supply each of the nine SSB engines with 80,000 cfm, it seems likely that a fuel oil fire there would find sufficient air for combustion.

For a discussion of heat at 9/11, and energy units, CounterPunchers will soon be able to have my study, "the Thermodynamics of 9/11", to be published shortly on the CounterPunch website as part of our final package on the actual physics and engineering realities of the collapse of the WTC buildings.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-05-05   11:42:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AGAviator (#3)

Pulled up by the emergency pumps, the SSB diesel fuel went , from the 6,000 gallon storage tanks, under the loading dock, under the southwestern part of the building, to floor 5.

The problem with your theory is the diesel fuel tanks were underground below the loading dock and on the ground floor. No fires were reported in these locations.

No fires were reported on floor 5

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http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

Fires were reported on floors 6,7,8,10,11, and 19.

honway  posted on  2007-05-05   14:27:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: honway (#18)

The tanks were below. However the generators they supplied were on the 5th floor. Therefore pressurized fuel lines were necessary.

Furthermore the 5th floor had "louvers" to insure an adequate supply of air to the generators.

Since these systems are designed to start automatically when power fails, the pumps started the minute the building's elecricity went off. The pressurized fuel fed the fires along the path(s) of the fuel lines wherever they were ruptured.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-05-05   14:47:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AGAviator (#21)

If you actually believe this nonsense you are posting, then you should have no problem finding a photo of a fire at WTC 7 on or below floor five.

The problem is there are no such photos because there were no fires on floor 5 or below.

honway  posted on  2007-05-05   15:01:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: honway (#23)

What's so special about floors 1-5 that there were fires elsewhere but not on those floors?

And if I do show there were fires on those floors are you going to admit you've been rebutted, or are you going to come up with some other explanation that they weren't important?

AGAviator  posted on  2007-05-05   15:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AGAviator (#24)

What's so special about floors 1-5 that there were fires elsewhere but not on those floors?

In your post, the fuel supply system you described stopped at the generator.

The generator was on floor 5.

The fuel lines described in your reply did not extend above floor five.

honway  posted on  2007-05-05   21:30:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: honway (#29)

The fuel lines described in your reply did not extend above floor five.

That is correct. And also, if there were no fires below Floor 6 then this theory is not viable.

So it should be fairly easy to prove or disprove this hypothesis. If it can be demonstrated there were no fires below Floor 6, I will not put forth any further argument.

However, I'm fairly certain that there were fires everywhere both above and below Floor 5. So I will do some checking and get back to you.

AGAviator  posted on  2007-05-05   22:12:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: AGAviator, honway, ALL (#31)

Perhaps you are focusing too much on the 5th floor and below as the initiation point for the collapse. There are papers (such as http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf ) that look into the failure and conclude that the failure could have begun well above that (particularly on the 12th floor) and simply spread from there. Remember, Chief Hayden is quoted saying "we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

Here is a first responder with WTC7 in the background during an interview.

The first responder says "You see where the white smoke is? You see this thing leaning like this? It's definitely coming down. There's no way to stop it. Cause you have to go up in there to put it out and it already - the structural integrity is just not there in the building. It's tough, it's.. it's.. You know we can handle just about anything, this is beyond..."

And for those claiming little damage to WTC7's south face, I offer you this too:

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-05   23:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: BeAChooser (#32)

Perhaps you are focusing too much on the 5th floor and below as the initiation point for the collapse. There are papers (such as http://wtc.nist.gov/media/ScheuermanStatementDec2006.pdf ) that look into the failure and conclude that the failure could have begun well above that (particularly on the 12th floor) and simply spread from there.

The theroy being considered is the claim the diesel fuel in storage tanks under the loading dock was pumped up through fuel lines and fed the fires. The fuel lines in question stopped at the generator on floor five.Hence, these fuel lines did not fuel fires above floor 5.

honway  posted on  2007-05-07 10:14:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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