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Title: Year Zero: This Is the Beginning
Source: Signs of the Times
URL Source: http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/a ... +Zero%3A+This+Is+the+Beginning
Published: May 5, 2007
Author: Harrison Koehli
Post Date: 2007-05-06 12:50:37 by Eoghan
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Introduction

Fifteen years in the future an innocent American Muslim is forcibly arrested, his daughter beaten to death - the news reports the break-up of a major terrorist cell. Iran is now Post-Iran, its Southern provinces nuked to oblivion. The War on Terror still rages and the United States is run by a cadre of fanatic evangelicals. Bioterrorism has left Detroit and New Orleans uninhabitable. The American population is implanted with surveillance microchips and Great Britain is following suit. Staged bioterrorism attacks garner support for a major pharmaceutical company to introduce a mind-numbing, conscience-killing drug into the water supply - in the guise of an immune system booster.

There are reports of something called "The Presence", which are denied by officials. The internet monitored, dissenters resort to the use of quantum encryption technology to send a batch of information - websites, banned books, top secret files, music - into the past, in hopes to change the future. Power and greed have run their course and the world is on the verge of utter destruction. It is Year Zero.

This is the premise to Nine Inch Nails' (i.e., Trent Reznor's) latest studio album, Year Zero, released on April 17. Written and produced while on tour for his previous album, With Teeth, Reznor's latest effort is a departure from previous work. In an interview with Rolling Stone's Brian Hiatt (March 22, 2007) Reznor says, "I went into it with a sense of not giving a fuck. Not worried about singles, radio play, melody, 'correct' song structure, record labels, marketability, critics, kissing ass, my own fans' expectations, chart positions, being fashionable... I really just let my subconscious take over and steer the ship."

But Year Zero is more than just an album. It encompasses an entire online universe of websites created by Reznor, Rob Sheridan, and 42 Entertainment. It is music from the future, a warning of things to come, and ostensibly, an impetus for the creation of a resistance now which already exists in the future. Clues and puzzles are literally scattered across the globe: USB drives placed in bathrooms at NIN concerts contain sound clips, highlighted letters on t-shirts spell out web addresses, phone numbers reach pre-recorded "wire-taps" or song previews, codes are hidden in liner notes and distorted track noise. Year Zero covers all the bases.

Most intriguing about the concept, however, is its insidious "Trojan Horse" nature. In 2006, NIN were slated to perform their single "The Hand That Feeds" at the MTV movie awards. They planned on performing the song with an image of George W. Bush displayed behind the band. The event organizers, however, felt "uncomfortable" about this overtly "political" display. Refusing to play under such conditions, Reznor responded sardonically on his website: "Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me."

In an era when so-called "political statements" are not only few and far between, but overtly censored by a long-since emasculated mainstream media, Year Zero is art at its best: as a subversive warning; a mirror to the terror of the world; a form of resistance in and of itself. "Art is resistance."

The Terror of the Situation

One of the Year Zero websites, the home of "Cedocore", the pharmaceutical company responsible for the above-mentioned drug, Parepin - as well as "Opal", the government-sponsored crack-cocaine of the future - has an online quiz. My diagnosis? "Under the circumstances, it would be best to call or email the authorities and then sedate yourself until they arrive. Be careful, but be thorough. Lives are at stake. Remember, there is an IV drip with Prozira waiting for you at the hospital. You will learn to live and love and laugh again!" No doubt!

Try it yourself. If you are disgusted with the destruction of Iraqi, the rape of Africa, the slow genocide of Palestinine, or any other form of such inhumanity, you may need medication! It may be humorous to read the Orwellian diagnoses provided on the "Cedocore" website, but they are a window into an unsettling truth: It is not an easy time to be a person of conscience. We live in a world ruled by those least capable to rule. Like a blind man leading those who can see through a dangerous terrain, the men and women who rule our world lack that quality essential for decision-making which will affect the lives of billions: conscience.

To those without conscience, our lives have meaning only insofar as we can serve as pawns in the fulfillment of their goals. The last hundred years have seen instance after instance of such mass hysteria and subsequent psychopathic rule. We have seen their fruits: an indomitable and unquenchable lust for more power, a narcissistic drive to force others to obey one's will, all leading to the inevitable mass genocide that characterizes such regimes. When those without conscience come to rule, it is a crime to have a conscience.

In Trent Reznor's Year Zero, as in any pathocratic (i.e. ruled by psychopaths) regime, books are banned: Twain, Whitman, Salinger, Joyce, Zinn, Orwell, Vonnegut, Milgram... Curiously, the last three in this list, Orwell, Vonnegut and Milgram, all provide essential pieces to this specter we have known variously as Bolshevism, Nazism, Stalinism, Zionism, and currently, Neoconservatism.

Orwell accurately described a pathocratic regime and its characteristic doublethink. Doublethink is defined as "the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them." This is an apt description of what has become known as the Bush Doctrine: War for the sake of peace. That is, "War is bad. But war is good." Two contradictory beliefs, yet both are accepted, all contradictory evidence is repressed. It is also called conversive thinking, and it is epidemic in our myopic and psychologically illiterate culture.

While Orwell described the symptoms, Vonnegut nailed their cause, in an excerpt from his memoirs published by the Guardian:

George W Bush has gathered around him upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka Christians, and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities, or PPs, the medical term for smart, personable people who have no consciences.

To say somebody is a PP is to make a perfectly respectable diagnosis, like saying he or she has appendicitis or athlete's foot. The classic medical text on PPs is The Mask of Sanity by Dr Hervey Cleckley, a clinical professor of psychiatry at the Medical College of Georgia, published in 1941. Read it!

Some people are born deaf, some are born blind or whatever, and this book is about congenitally defective human beings of a sort that is making this whole country and many other parts of the planet go completely haywire nowadays. These were people born without consciences, and suddenly they are taking charge of everything.

PPs are presentable, they know full well the suffering their actions may cause others, but they do not care. They cannot care because they are nuts. They have a screw loose!

And what syndrome better describes so many executives at Enron and WorldCom and on and on, who have enriched themselves while ruining their employees and investors and country and who still feel as pure as the driven snow, no matter what anybody may say to or about them? And they are waging a war that is making billionaires out of millionaires, and trillionaires out of billionaires, and they own television, and they bankroll George Bush, and not because he's against gay marriage.

So many of these heartless PPs now hold big jobs in our federal government, as though they were leaders instead of sick. They have taken charge. They have taken charge of communications and the schools, so we might as well be Poland under occupation.

They might have felt that taking our country into an endless war was simply something decisive to do. What has allowed so many PPs to rise so high in corporations, and now in government, is that they are so decisive. They are going to do something every fuckin' day and they are not afraid. Unlike normal people, they are never filled with doubts, for the simple reason that they don't give a fuck what happens next. Simply can't. Do this! Do that! Mobilise the reserves! Privatise the public schools! Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybody's telephone! Cut taxes on the rich! Build a trillion-dollar missile shield! Fuck habeas corpus and the Sierra Club and In These Times, and kiss my ass!

Vonnegut has also provided a framework from which to understand the Milgram experiment. For those unfamiliar with Milgram's work, here's a short summary: "The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation."

In short, the vast majority of humans will do whatever they are told to, if the person telling them to do it is "authoritative". Of course, most people are unaware of this fact of human psychology, and would not conceive of strategically manipulating others by taking advantage of it. We tend to assume everyone is like we are. "Well, I would never tell someone to give a lethal shock to someone for no reason, so this doctor must be telling me to do it for a very good one!" We have trouble saying no to such a request! However, there is a certain small percentage of the human population for whom this is not only advantageous; it is their only way of being. These are the same individuals identified by Vonnegut: psychopaths.

"Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. Their bewildered victims desperately ask, 'Who are these people?' 'What makes them they way they are?' 'How can we protect ourselves?'"

So writes Robert Hare, one of the worlds leading authorities on psychopathy, in his book Without Conscience. To a psychopath, the world of normal people strikes him as odd and naïve. Ted Bundy, the infamous psychopathic killer, said there were two types of people: Gods (i.e. psychopaths) and Beasts (i.e. normal people). Psychopaths have nothing but contempt for the incomprehensible rules of society and the people who follow them. And they will actively use any means at their disposal (including their knowledge of normal human weaknesses, like that shown in the Milgram study) to achieve a position from which they are able to create a system more amenable to their deviant world view. Witness the inhuman totalitarian regimes of the past century, in particular. They truly, in their own minds, are waging a "War Against Terror" for the purposes of "freedom". That freedom, however, is freedom from the "terror" of living among such emotional and naive machines, i.e. us.

There is one banned book that is understandably absent from the list of books in the Year Zero universe. It is called Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrew Lobaczewski. The story of its publication is as dramatic, or more so, than the Reznor's vision. A small group of Polish scientists, living under the conditions portrayed so well in Year Zero, works in secret to understand the sickness which has taken over their nation. They are tortured, their work is repeatedly destroyed and suppressed, and they suffer unimaginable terror at the hands of a psychopathic regime. The work's author, Andrew Lobaczewski, is the last surviving member of this group, and his work is our only source of a science that describes everything that is wrong with life on this planet.

While many, like the authors of those works banned by the pathocratic Year Zero regime, can see the symptoms of such a societal disease for what they truly are, often described in haunting yet beautiful prose, they have all lacked the scientific language with which to truly understand the nature of evil, and thus prevent it. A disease cannot be cured simply by a description of its symptoms, no matter how precise.

This science, ponerology (i.e. the study of evil), describes where we are and where we will be if we continue on our present course. And without the insights which this group suffered so much to understand and pass on to us, it is a course that those in power are investing billions of dollars in bringing to its final conclusion.

Let us look where they have taken us in the last 7 years: a conscienceless, C-student President, 'winner' of two stolen elections, whose strings are expertly pulled by a group of power-lusting, clownish Neoconservative psychopaths; a false-flag operation that puts the Reichstag fire to shame and has served as justification for two (soon to be three) immoral invasions and occupations of sovereign nations; a 'two-party' system where Democrats and Republicans argue not about whether or not to go to war, but when and how to go to war; the resulting slaughter of more than 700,000 Iraqi civilians in the name of "freedom and democracy"; the raping and pillaging of Palestine by a Zionist regime of schizoid interlopers; a veritable Big Brother state in Great Britain; the list could go on for pages. Just take a browse through the archives at Signs of the Times for a look at the last few years in the making of our very own Year Zero. As Trent Reznor has said in a recent interview, "There are no concepts in the story that aren't rooted in things that already are happening".

A Warning

The increasingly brazen and coarse nature of the Neoconserative imperium has given rise to several forms of resistance. Despised the world over, Bush is widely seen as the megalomaniac that he truly is. The United States has seen the creation of large, albeit marginalized, anti-war and 9/11 truth movements. But these movements are doomed to fail without knowledge of psychopathy.

If Ponerology teaches us one thing it is that psychopaths are pervasive and chameleon-like in nature. They are not easily identifiable. As such, it is a given that any group unaware of their existence and their modus operandi are subject to ponerization. Any group.

Ideologies by themselves do not need psychopaths. Normal people are often at their root. However, psychopathic spellbinders need ideologies, and they don't care which one, either! They can with equal ease attach themselves to Communism or Capitalism. Even the so-called resistance. Watch as the ideology of the 9/11 and anti-war movements slowly becomes a justification for bloody revolution and murder. "Truth at any cost! Let the criminals hang!" The twist will be so subtle that most will not see it. Many will get caught up in the bloodlust, convinced that their motives are pure.

And that is the recurring problem that must be identified and watched for. The defeat of any psychopathic regime is merely killing one head of the hydra. The seeds of destruction are already evenly distributed throughout the population. Psychopaths will continue to rise through the ranks, donning their incredibly deceptive masks of sanity, and achieving positions of power over the rest of us. And we will not see it until it is too late. We never do.

The resistance is already infected. It was infected the moment it was started. And if we do not overcome our own self-importance and arrogance to see this simple fact, we are doomed. Take it to the bank. Neoconservatives are not the problem; Christian fundamentalists are not the problem; Jewish extremists are not the problem. Psychopaths are the problem.

Further Reading

The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout Without Conscience by Robert Hare Snakes in Suits by Robert Hare and Paul Babiak Political Ponerology by Andrew Lobaczewski NIN Wiki Subscribe to *Bilderberg and NWO Watch*

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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

Powerful article and a fair warning to us all.

Thanks.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-06   13:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eoghan, Burkeman1, christine, critter, IndieTX, bluedogtxn, YertleTurtle, BeAChooser, All (#0)

"Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. Their bewildered victims desperately ask, 'Who are these people?' 'What makes them they way they are?' 'How can we protect ourselves?'"

So writes Robert Hare, one of the worlds leading authorities on psychopathy, in his book Without Conscience. To a psychopath, the world of normal people strikes him as odd and naïve.

However, psychopathic spellbinders need ideologies, and they don't care which one, either! They can with equal ease attach themselves to Communism or Capitalism. Even the so-called resistance. Watch as the ideology of the 9/11 and anti-war movements slowly becomes a justification for bloody revolution and murder. "Truth at any cost! Let the criminals hang!" The twist will be so subtle that most will not see it. Many will get caught up in the bloodlust, convinced that their motives are pure.

Excellent and very timely article.

One of the best I've read in a long time.

Diana  posted on  2007-05-06   16:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eoghan (#0)

The resistance is already infected. It was infected the moment it was started. And if we do not overcome our own self-importance and arrogance to see this simple fact, we are doomed. Take it to the bank. Neoconservatives are not the problem; Christian fundamentalists are not the problem; Jewish extremists are not the problem. Psychopaths are the problem.

Wonderful article here, with an excellent message and thought provoking ideas. Different people are going to reach different conclusions from this, which is fine, but I do have to share one thought that leaps out at me from this. Western religions have failed miserably. Christianity, Judiasm and Islam are all different faces of the same deeply flawed and totally failed conceptions of who we are and our place in this universe. None of those religions have provided any defense against the rise of psychopaths.

What is needed now more than anything is more compassion and empathy. Western religions have completely failed on this account. Oh, sure, Christians will claim their religion is all about compassion and empathy, but let's look at the results, shall we? If you state over and over again that your book teaches color theory, but 99% of the people who read it become auto mechanics, then all claims that your book is about color theory start to sound pretty darn hollow.

At this point in time I am now 99.999% convinced that Christianity, Judiasm and Islam offer NOTHING to the human race other than endless darkness. Honestly, I just pity all members of those religions, and deeply hope that someday they can turn their backs on the selfishness those miserably failed religions breed, and instead someday find a path, any path, that leads them to embrace real compassion for their fellow human beings.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-06   17:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eoghan (#0)

George W Bush has gathered around him upper-crust C-students who know no history or geography, plus not-so-closeted white supremacists, aka Christians, and plus, most frighteningly, psychopathic personalities, or PPs, the medical term for smart, personable people who have no consciences

Good article and I'll read the books mentioned. I'm concerned, though, with this continuing implication that the present Administration is influenced by some so-called Christians - referred here slurringly and with blatant bias as white supremacists. This anti-Christian Administration duped many Christians just as Mr.Bush, senior, duped 4 million NRA members with his phony NRA membership - which he abandoned after his election. Also, this article castigates an "...emasculated media....". The media in the U.S. is just the opposite of emasculated. Our plight today is largely because of the omnipotence and eager complicity of the media. I'm willing to view the neo-cons as PP's, but not too willing to allow that diagnosis to exculpate all members of those groups that have social and political hegemony as their motivating agenda.

Bub  posted on  2007-05-06   23:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Elliott Jackalope, christine, dakmar (#3)

At this point in time I am now 99.999% convinced that Christianity, Judiasm and Islam offer NOTHING to the human race other than endless darkness. Honestly, I just pity all members of those religions, and deeply hope that someday they can turn their backs on the selfishness those miserably failed religions breed, and instead someday find a path, any path, that leads them to embrace real compassion for their fellow human beings.

I concur.

I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. -- Christine, Freedom4um

Esso  posted on  2007-05-06   23:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Elliott Jackalope, christine, esso, CHRISTIAN BASHERS, REDPANTHER, zipporah, burkeman1, ATHEISTS, RED JONES, ALLTHEKINGS'HORSESWONTDOIT (#3)

None of those religions have provided any defense against the rise of psychopaths.

Nothing, including religion, can prevent psychopathic behavior in man. This is a ludicrous statement.

Christianity, Judiasm and Islam offer NOTHING to the human race other than endless darkness.

Mankind itself is in endless darkness and Christianity is the only hope and light in that darkness, although some are blind and can not see.

Blaming religion for the failures of man is the most absurd argument anyone could possibly make on the state of mankind. In actuality, religion [all religion] is the only thing holding mankind together and preventing him from totally destroying himself.

Believe what you want. I know the Truth, and Jesus is that Truth and mankind's only hope. [If your response to this is "Everyone thinks they know the truth," then let me ask you: Do YOU think you know the Truth and if so, what is it?]

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-06   23:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Bub (#4)

"...emasculated media...."

A good recent example of this was the burying of Bill Moyer's "Buying the War"...The NYTimes completely ignored it...relegated to PBS with little of their own promotion for the program.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-05-06   23:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: IndieTX (#6)

Nothing, including religion, can prevent psychopathic behavior in man. This is a ludicrous statement.

I'm not saying religion should "prevent" psychopathic behavior. I'm saying that religion should provide defenses against it. However, after seeing how things have worked out in the real world, I have come to the conclusion that Western Religions are not only ineffective against psychopathic behavior, but in many ways have proven to actually facilitate and enable many psychopaths. Therefore, I conclude that Western religions have failed their followers in a very serious way on a very critical issue.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-07   0:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All (#0)

Pathocracy: DISEASE

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-05-07   0:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)

Western religions have failed miserably.

Hayek noted that the traditional mores and modes conducive to an extended order may not have much to do directly with individual happiness, and there's not much reason to expect that that they would maximize it.

Western religions have succeeded marvelously in the only way that nature cares about. They have propagated and survived.

Compassion and empathy, like politics, are local.

We share 90 percent of our genes with mice, but there is more genetic variation within a single human ethny than the variations that separate us from mice. Therefore, let us not think of mice and men. The distinction is an illusion, a social construct.

To our shame, Stuart Little still finds it very difficult to catch a cab.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-07   0:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tauzero (#10)

Hayek noted that the traditional mores and modes conducive to an extended order may not have much to do directly with individual happiness, and there's not much reason to expect that that they would maximize it.

Western religions have succeeded marvelously in the only way that nature cares about. They have propagated and survived.

Compassion and empathy, like politics, are local.

EXCELLENT point, and very well stated. And yes, Western religions have proven to be wonderfully effective self-propagating systems. It's just too darn bad that they don't do more to improve the human condition.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-07   0:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eoghan (#7)

...the burying of Bill Moyer's "Buying the War"...The NYTimes completely ignored it...relegated to PBS with little of their own promotion for the program.

Yes - a fine effort from Mr.Moyers. We have to hope that many saw it, and.....understood it.

Bub  posted on  2007-05-07   0:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Elliott Jackalope (#8)

ineffective against psychopathic behavior, but in many ways have proven to actually facilitate and enable many psychopaths.

The raptureist and the (I forget their offical name) let's gather the loot for Christ, folks are to me sickos

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-05-07   0:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Elliott Jackalope, IndieTX (#3)

At this point in time I am now 99.999% convinced that Christianity, Judiasm and Islam offer NOTHING to the human race other than endless darkness. Honestly, I just pity all members of those religions, and deeply hope that someday they can turn their backs on the selfishness those miserably failed religions breed, and instead someday find a path, any path, that leads them to embrace real compassion for their fellow human beings.

Mat 5:1 ¶ And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:

Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

Mat 5:3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:4 Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Mat 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Mat 5:8 Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God...........

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat005.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat006.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat007.html

Luk 10:25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Luk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live

Luk 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?...................

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk010.html#27

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Luk/10/27.html

pray, point out the "darkness and selfishness"

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-07   12:20:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)

Do you REALLY want me to take the time and give you a multitude of examples of Christians behaving in dark and selfish ways? Really? Because I could do it, and you would NOT like the results. Do you REALLY want me to produce a giant list of Christian leaders who have behaved in deeply shameful ways?

Oh, sure, then you'll say "Look at the message, not the men" and all that stuff. I've heard it all before. But consider this: When you have a message that is supposedly SO powerful, and is mouthed by SO many, and yet so VERY few actually live up to it, doesn't that say something about the message itself? Yes, I know, "wide is the path to perdition, narrow is the way to salvation", "most will fall into Hell" etc. But wait, then that means that God created humanity knowing that the vast majority would end up burning in eternal damnation. Isn't that, in and of itself, beyond sad? I mean, if I had a factory that made widgits, and 99% of what the factory produced was rejected and tossed into the dumpster, then wouldn't it be fair to say that this particular factory has some deeply flawed production methods? Is this really the best that the God of all creation can do? Or is it the best that a flawed creation of man can do?

Yes, you've reached for your Good Book and printed out some pretty words. So what? Sure, it's a wonderful message, a message that is pretty much totally ignored by those who profess to be Christians. They go to their churches on Sunday, mouth pious platitudes, beg forgiveness, then go back into the real world and behave like craven animals. Sorry if you don't like my concluding that your Good Book and those pious platitudes are empty words that have failed miserably.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-07   16:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Eoghan (#0) (Edited)

I really just let my subconscious take over and steer the ship."

I want to know what kind of dope Reznor was doing. It must have been some good shit. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-08   15:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eoghan, Dakmar, Boonie Rat, SKYDRIFTER, lodwick, christine (#0)

Year Zero is art at its best: as a subversive warning; a mirror to the terror of the world; a form of resistance in and of itself. "Art is resistance."

Hey, man, remember the Nam and the resistance found in the music of the time.

Where are the musicians and the music today? It's about time things get a kicked up a few notches.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-08   15:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: BTP Holdings (#17) (Edited)

It's about time things get a kicked up a few notches.

You can credit Bush for Rage Against The Machine and Rush deciding to get back together and begin to 'terrorize young minds' ;)

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-05-08   15:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)

None of those religions have provided any defense against the rise of psychopaths.

Honestly, I just pity all members of those religions, and deeply hope that someday they can turn their backs on the selfishness those miserably failed religions breed, and instead someday find a path, any path, that leads them to embrace real compassion for their fellow human beings.

Good comments, E.J. For sure we have too darn many psychopaths and sociopaths in high office. The lure of power draws them there like flies to shit where they can practice their dark art against their fellow man.

The Global Plantation does not want real compassion.

The Editors of American Free Press wrote about the Global Plantation:

Revisit Justin Raimondo HERE for the story of Lawrence Dennis.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-08   16:10:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eoghan (#18)

Cool!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-08   16:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Eoghan (#0)

"Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret. Their bewildered victims desperately ask, 'Who are these people?' 'What makes them they way they are?' 'How can we protect ourselves?'"

And that is the recurring problem that must be identified and watched for. The defeat of any psychopathic regime is merely killing one head of the hydra. The seeds of destruction are already evenly distributed throughout the population. Psychopaths will continue to rise through the ranks, donning their incredibly deceptive masks of sanity, and achieving positions of power over the rest of us. And we will not see it until it is too late. We never do.

Good article.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-08   16:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: IndieTX, Elliott Jackalope, christine, esso, CHRISTIAN BASHERS, REDPANTHER, zipporah, burkeman1, ATHEISTS, RED JONES, ALLTHEKINGS'HORSESWONTDOIT (#6)

Do YOU think you know the Truth and if so, what is it?]

The truth is that the truth isn't. That's right, no man knows the truth, the absolute truth. The important thing about truth, in my opinion, is that those seeking it diligently are far less likely to become problematic than those that could care less.

John Hagee and his brand of psychopathetic liars, whether Islamists or Judaists, are impotent little men when they are without followers. It's the followers that are the power behind these freaks of nature through their generous donations and blind adherence to the rantings of self-indulgent (psychopaths) madmen that pervert the scriptures.

I don't know how to disagree with the above article where it states that we should just watch what is born out of the truth movement, and expect more psychopaths to manipulate this to their advantage. Almost insinuating that should one become violent in order to be free or to rid society of scumbags like Bush et al., one becomes a psychopath.

On the one hand I agree that there could very well be some psychopathic-abuse of the truth movement resulting in death or even a civil war. On the other hand I don't think we can ignore the fact that we're being incarcerated in our own country, relegated to second class citizenship, robbed, murdered and having our children sent to fight wars for psychopathic corporate murderers.

When a peaceful contentment once again settles over a battle weary people, will that be considered the fruit of a psychopathic tree ? I don't think so.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:

noone222  posted on  2007-05-08   18:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22) (Edited)

I don't think we can ignore the fact that we're being incarcerated in our own country, relegated to second class citizenship, robbed, murdered and having our children sent to fight wars for psychopathic corporate murderers.

John Hagee and his brand of psychopathetic liars, whether Islamists or Judaists, are impotent little men when they are without followers. It's the followers that are the power behind these freaks of nature through their generous donations and blind adherence to the rantings of self-indulgent (psychopaths) madmen that pervert the scriptures. [which makes them apostates regardless of their named religion]

You nailed that for sure.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-08   19:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222, lodwick, All (#22)

When a peaceful contentment once again settles over a battle weary people, will that be considered the fruit of a psychopathic tree ? I don't think so.

The true psychopath (and sociopath) craves consternation and upheaval and all of the evils which are visited on the people who are subjected to the tyranny and despotism which it produces.

Robert E. Lee: A Biography

In the fuller statement to (Lord) Acton he now brought the state's rights argument to bear on the immediate question of the status of the seceded states. ". . . While I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved in the states and to the people, [is] not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our present system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

He cited then the various historic warnings in America against centralization of power, and argued, by reference to the Hartford convention and the constitution of Massachusetts, that secession was conceded to be a right by two of the states that subsequently most opposed it. "Judge Chase, the present chief justice of the U. S.," he went on, "as late as 1850, is reported to have stated in the Senate, of which he was a member, that he 'knew of no remedy in case of the refusal of a state to perform its stipulation,' thereby acknowledging the sovereignty and independence of state action."21

Here Lee dropped the argument from the past and turned to the outlook:

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-09   17:13:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: IndieTX (#24)

PING!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-09   17:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Elliott Jackalope (#15)

Do you REALLY want me to take the time and give you a multitude of examples of Christians behaving in dark and selfish ways? Really? Because I could do it, and you would NOT like the results. Do you REALLY want me to produce a giant list of Christian leaders who have behaved in deeply shameful ways?

[sorry i missed this.]

not necessary, God knows who they are, and what to do with them.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat007.html#23

A lot of them took Christ's name in vain for their own selfish purposes or for a diabolical agenda.

But wait, then that means that God created humanity knowing that the vast majority would end up burning in eternal damnation. Isn't that, in and of itself, beyond sad? I mean, if I had a factory that made widgits, and 99% of what the factory produced was rejected and tossed into the dumpster, then wouldn't it be fair to say that this particular factory has some deeply flawed production methods? Is this really the best that the God of all creation can do? Or is it the best that a flawed creation of man can do?

God's 'guilty' of giving men free will. Some choose to follow God the Heavenly Father; some choose to follow Lucifer who was created perfect in his ways, and was robed in beauty and abundance, and it wssn't enough.

He wanted to be God. He worshipped himself, the created thing, rather than the Creator. His pride was his downfall.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee........

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze028.html#15

Lucifer is the model for those who do not choose to follow God:

Rom 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse;

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rom/Rom001.html#25

This is not God's choice for them, this is their own choice: do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-12   22:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse;

Those passages from Romans are some of my favorites, especially the above. [And homos claim the Bible says their actions are Okey dokey. Shheesh...]

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-12   22:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: IndieTX, Elliott Jackalope, noone222, Eoghan (#27)

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse;

Those passages from Romans are some of my favorites, especially the above. [And homos claim the Bible says their actions are Okey dokey. Shheesh...]

They seem to be pretty clear.

On the other hand, I was reading an article I had read once before, which would seem to contradict a lot of my understanding of eternity. I am not sure I agree with all of it, but since I admire the author's other work, I hope to spend some time studying it soon. This would tend to go along with Elliope's idea, that God is a weak God, if most of His creation is lost forever. In the author's view, Elliope is correct; God intends to save [restore] ALL. I can think of some passages in the Bible that have puzzled me, that might be in keeping with what she says. It's an interesting view, and well worth the read. While reading it, maybe keep in mind the parable of the Prodigal Son.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk015.html#32

God's ways ARE higher than our ways. Maybe the purpose of hell on earth is to teach us all a lesson in preparation for the restoration of ALL Eden, ALL men. That may be true, but it doesn't appear, to me anyway, that ALL will enter the kingdom of heaven, the heavenly city, the New Jerusalem that God will establish on earth, where the inhabitants will never die again. That looks to me reserved for those of faith in God the first time around [ Rev. 22:12-15 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev022.html#12 ], but I don't know....

Does "Forever" Really Mean Forever?

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/forever.htm

The "Destruction" of the Wicked

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/wicked2.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-13   12:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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