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Title: Many Scientists are Convinced that Man Can See the Future
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URL Source: http://www.redorbit.com/news/scienc ... _can_see_the_future/index.html
Published: May 7, 2007
Author: By DR DANNY PENMAN
Post Date: 2007-05-07 06:15:29 by gengis gandhi
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http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/925987/many_scientists_are_convinced_that_man_can_see_the_future/index.html Posted on: Saturday, 5 May 2007, 18:10 CDT Many Scientists are Convinced that Man Can See the Future Click to enlarge PROFESSOR Dick Bierman sits hunched over his computer in a darkened room. The gentle whirring of machinery can be heard faintly in the background. He smiles and presses a grubby-looking red button. In the next room, a patient slips slowly inside a hospital brain scanner. If it wasn't for the strange smiles and grimaces that flicker across the woman's face, you could be forgiven for thinking this was just a normal health check. But this scanner is engaged in one of the most profound paranormal experiments of all time, one that may well prove whether or not it is possible to predict the future. For the results - released exclusively to the Daily Mail - suggest that ordinary people really do have a sixth sense that can help them 'see' the future. Such amazing studies - if verified - might help explain the predictive powers of mediums and a range of other psychic phenomena such Extra Sensory Perception, dEj vu and clairvoyance. On a more mundane level, it may account for 'gut feelings' and instinct. The man behind the experiments is certainly convinced. 'We're satisfied that people can sense the future before it happens,' says Professor Bierman, a psychologist at the University of Amsterdam. 'We'd now like to move on and see what kind of person is particularly good at it.' And Bierman is not alone: his findings mirror the data gathered by other scientists and paranormal researchers both here and abroad. Professor Brian Josephson, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist from Cambridge University, says: 'So far, the evidence seems compelling. What seems to be happening is that information is coming from the future. 'In fact, it's not clear in physics why you can't see the future. In physics, you certainly cannot completely rule out this effect.' Virtually all the great scientific formulae which explain how the world works allow information to flow backwards and forwards through time - they can work either way, regardless. SHORTLY after 9/11, strange stories began circulating about the lucky few who had escaped the outrage. It transpired that many of the survivors had changed their plans at the last minute after vague feelings of unease. It was a subtle, gnawing feeling that 'something' was not right. Nobody vocalised it but shortly before the attacks, people started altering their plans out of an unspoken instinct. One woman suffered crippling stomach pain while queuing for one of the ill-fated planes which flew into the World Trade Center. She made her way to the lavatory only to recover spontaneously. She missed her flight but survived the day. Amid the collective outpouring of grief and horror it was easy to overlook such stories or write them off as coincidences. But in fact, these kind of stories point to an interesting and deeper truth for those willing to look. If, for example, fewer people decided to fly on aircraft that subsequently crashed, then that would suggest a subconscious ability to divine the future. Well, strange as it seems, that's just what happens. THE aircraft which flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 were unusually empty. All the hijacked planes were carrying only half the usual number of passengers. Perhaps one unusually empty plane could be explained away, but all four? And it wasn't just on 9/11 that people subconsciously seemed to avoid disaster. The scientist Ed Cox found that trains 'destined' to crash carried far fewer people than they did normally. Dr Jessica Utts, a statistician at the University of California, found exactly the same bizarre effect. If it was possible to divine the future, you might expect those at the sharp end, such as pilots, to have the most finely tuned instincts of all. And again, that's just what you see. When the Air France Concorde crashed in 2000, it wasn't long before the colleagues of those killed in the crash spoke about a sense of foreboding that had gripped the crew and flight engineers before the accident. Speaking anonymously to the French newspaper Le Parisien, one spoke of a 'morbid expectation of an accident'. 'I had this sense that we were going to bump into the scenery,' he said. 'The atmosphere on the Concorde team for the last few months, if one has the guts to admit it, had been one of morbid expectation of an accident. It was as if I was waiting for something to happen.' All of these stories suggest that we can pick up premonitions of events that are yet to be. Although these premonitions are not in glorious Technicolor, they are often emotionally powerful enough for us to act upon them. In technical parlance it is known as 'presentiment' because emotional feelings are being received from the future, not hard facts or information. The military has long been fascinated by such phenomena. For many years the U.S. military (and latterly the CIA) funded a secretive programme known as Stargate, which set out to investigate premonitions and the ability of mediums to predict the future. Dr Dean Radin worked on the Stargate programme and became fascinated by the ability of 'lucky' soldiers to forecast the future. These are the ones who survived battles against seemingly impossible odds. Radin became convinced that thoughts and feelings - and occasionally-actual glimpses of the future - could flow backwards in time to guide soldiers. It helped them make lifesaving decisions, often on the basis of a hunch. He devised an experiment to test these ideas. He hooked up volunteers to a modified lie detector, which measured an electrical current across the surface of the skin. This current changes when a person reacts to an event such as seeing an extremely violent picture or video. It's the electrical equivalent of a wince. Radin showed sexually explicit, violent or soothing images to volunteers in a random sequence determined by computer. And he soon discovered that people began reacting to the pictures before they saw them. It was unmistakable. They began to 'wince' a few seconds before they actually saw the image. And it happened time and time again, way beyond what chance alone would allow. So impressive were Radin's results that Dr Kary Mullis, a Nobel Prizewinning chemist, took an interest. He was hooked up to Radin's machine and shown the emotionally charged images. 'It's spooky,' he says 'I could see about three seconds into the future. You shouldn't be able to do that.' OTHER researchers from around the world, from Edinburgh University to Cornell in the U.S., rushed to duplicate Radin's experiment and improve on it. And they got similar results. It was soon discovered that gamblers began reacting subconsciously shortly before they won or lost. The same effect was seen in those terrified of animals, moments before they were shown the creatures. The odds against all of these trials being wrong are literally millions to one against. Professor Dick Bierman decided to take this work even further. He is a psychologist who has become convinced that time as we understand it is an illusion. He could see no reason why people could not see into the future just as easily as we dip into memories of our past. He's in good company. Einstein described the distinction between the past, present and future as 'a stubbornly persistent illusion'. To prove Einstein's point, Bierman looked inside the brains of volunteers using a hospital MRI scanner while he repeated Dr Radin's experiments. These scanners show which parts of the brain are active when we do certain tasks or experience specific emotions. Although extremely complex, and with each analysis taking weeks of computing time, he has run the experiments twice involving more than 20 volunteers. And the results suggest quite clearly that seemingly ordinary people are capable of sensing the future on a fairly consistent basis. Bierman emphasises that people are receiving feelings from the future rather than specific 'visions'. It's clear, though, that if ordinary people can receive feelings from the future then perhaps the especially gifted may receive visions of things yet to be. It's also clear that many paranormal phenomena such as ESP and clairvoyance could have their roots in presentiment. After all, if you can see a few seconds into the future, why not a few days or even years? And surely if you could look through time, why not across great distances?It's a concept that ties the mind in knots, unless you're a physicist. 'I believe that we can "sense" the future,' says the Nobel Prizewinning physicist Brian Josephson. 'We just haven't yet established the mechanism allowing it to happen. 'People have had so called " paranormal" or "transcendental" experiences along these lines. Bierman's work is another piece of the jigsaw. The fact that we don't understand something does not mean that it doesn't happen.' If we are all regularly sensing the future or occasionally receiving glimpses of it, as some mediums claim to do, then doesn't that mean we can change the future and render the 'prediction' obsolete? Or perhaps we were meant to receive the premonition and act upon it? Such paradoxes could go on for ever, providing a rich seam of material for films such as Minority Report - based on a short story of the same name - in which a special police department is able to foresee and prevent crimes before they have even taken place. COULD such science fiction have a grain of truth in it after all? The emerging view, Bierman explains, is that 'the future has implications for the past'. 'This phenomena allows you to make a decision on the basis of what will happen in the future. Does that restrain our free will? That's up to the philosophers. I'm far too shallow a person to worry about that.' The problem with presentiment is that it appears so nebulous that you can't rely on it to make reliable decisions. That may be the case, but there are plenty of instances where people wished they had listened to their premonitions or feelings of presentiment. One of the saddest involves the Aberfan disaster. This occurred in 1966 when a coal tip collapsed and swept through a Welsh school killing 144 people, including 116 children. It turned out that 24 people had received premonitions of the tragedy. One involved a little girl who was killed. She told her mother shortly before she was taken to school: 'I dreamed I went to school and there was no school there. Something black had come down all over it.' So should we listen to our instincts, hunches and dreams? Some experts believe we may already be using them in our everyday lives to a surprising degree. Dr Jessica Utts at the University of California, who has worked for the U.S. military and CIA as an independent auditor of its paranormal research, believes we are constantly sampling the future and using the knowledge to help us make better decisions. 'I think we're doing it all the time,' she says. 'We've looked at the data and it does seem to happen.' So perhaps the Queen in Through The Looking Glass was right: 'It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards.'
Poster Comment: another example of science getting around to 'discovering' what people have always known. much of the reason that ideas like these are debunked is because they represent such a threat to the power structure if allowed to take life.
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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
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No, man can't see the future with his own senses. That would be an impossibility.
God is always good! not according to current quantum physics. the mechanistic view of reality (5 sense linear causality/meat world perspective) that is falsely termed 'scientific' in popular culture is outdated and proven to be invalid. the experience of precognition or remarkable intuition is not uncommon and is also culturally universal, from an anthropological viewpoint.
"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature." -Alan Watts /
Hate to burst a bubble, but this claim appears to be false. ******** From the 9/11 report (http://killtown.911review.org/911report.html ): 40. The 56 passengers represented a load factor of 33.33 percent of the airplane's seating capacity of 168, below the 49.22 percent for Flight 175 on Tuesdays in the three-month period prior to September 11, 2001. See UAL report, Flight 175 BOS-LAX Load Factors, undated (from June 1, 2001, to Sept. 11, 2001). Nine passengers holding reservations for Flight 175 did not show for the flight. They were interviewed and cleared by the FBI. ... snip ... 2.The 37 passengers represented a load factor of 20.33 percent of the plane's seating capacity of 182, considerably below the 52.09 percent for Flight 93 on Tuesdays in the three-month period prior to September 11 (June 11-September 4, 2001). See UAL report, Flight 93 EWR-SFO load factors, undated. Five passengers holding reservations for Flight 93 did not show for the flight. All five were interviewed and cleared by the FBI. ... snip ... 21. While Flights 11 and 77 were at or slightly above the average number of passengers for the respective flights that summer, Flights 175 and 93 were well below their averages. *************** From http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?messageID=700429119&tstart=0 According to the 9/11 Report ... snip ... Tuesdays were the least full days for the three-month period prior to the attacks. ... snip ... Flight 11 had a load factor of 51%. Its ave was 39%. So it was OVER on the morning of 9/11. pg 6) ... snip ... Flight 175 had a load factor of 33.3%. Its ave was 49%. However, there were two Tuesdays in the preceding 90 days when it had a lower load factor than it did on 9/11. (pg 19) ... snip ... Flight 77 had a load factor of 33%. Its ave was 32.8%. We'll call this one a wash. (pg28) ... snip ... Flight 93 is the pisser. Its load factor was the lowest at 20% against an average of 52%. It was also the lowest of the three months prior to 9/11. (pg36) **************** Or perhaps the explanation is more mundane than precognition ... ********* http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/19/hijacked.planes/ Numbers suggest terrorists targeted flights September 20, 2001 Posted: 2:18 PM EDT (1818 GMT) By Mike Fish CNN ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The numbers appear out-of-whack, thankfully. And so, a lingering question is why the passenger loads on the four planes hijacked in U.S. skies are being described by industry officials as "very, very low.'' Is it simply incredible fortune that more people weren't aboard the commercial airliners used as deadly missiles? Is it just another tidy piece of a large, well-executed terrorist act? Is it further reflection of an already reeling U.S. economy? Or, contrary to airline denials, did the hijackers purchase a large chunk of seats that went unused? Many investigators suspect the terrorists at the very least shopped for flights with low passenger loads, making it easier for them -- presumably armed only with knives and box cutters -- to prevent passenger uprisings. "You have to think it was by design, that they didn't want to go on a flight with the chance of the passengers working against them,'' said Dave Esser, head of the aeronautical science department at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. "If you've got the threat of a bomb or a gun you can hold people at bay. These guys were strong-arming people with box cutters and knives. "They wanted the numbers to be on their side.'' And they were, staggeringly so. Three of the transcontinental flights departed for the West Coast with at least two-thirds of the seats empty. Only 37 of the 182 seats were occupied -- including four by hijackers, at least two in first class -- as United Airlines' Flight 93 left Newark for San Francisco. The only flight that was even half full proved to be American Airlines' Flight 11, a wide-body Boeing 767 that left Boston bound for Los Angeles with 81 passengers. Through July, airlines in the United States reported flights on average were 71 percent capacity this year. All four of the hijacked flights had passenger loads significantly down in comparison with similar flights in June, the second quarter this year and last September -- according to statistics provided by the Department of Transportation. ... snip ... -- They acted on a Tuesday, normally one of the slowest air traffic days. And just after Labor Day, when summer travel eases considerably. ... snip ... Knowledge of flights easy to obtain The hijackers had apparently finalized their plans at least three weeks before the attacks when they began purchasing tickets for the flights, according to an FBI document provided to German police. Some paid cash for their purchases. Others used their Visa cards. Some booked tickets on the Internet. Their knowledge of the passenger loads could have been the result of assistance from an insider within the airline or travel industry, if not simply tedious research by the hijackers themselves as to the days and departure times when passenger loads would be lowest. Most airline Web sites post seating configurations of flights, revealing which seats have been purchased as well as those available. On Tuesday, a week after the hijackings, the only flight still flying near its former departure time was the United Airlines flight from Boston to Los Angeles. A check on the airline's web site the night before found 62 seats reserved in coach, alone -- compared to the 51 passengers and five hijackers who left Boston the morning of September 11. "They were very low loads, especially when we only had 37 passengers on the flight that went down near Pittsburgh,'' said Liz Meagher, a United Airlines spokesperson. "I'm sure we are looking at this as a blessing and I'm sure it is being investigated as well.'' Specifics about the number of no-shows for the flights, as well as the passenger load history of the flights, have been turned over to the FBI, Meagher said. Flights were on low travel days Industry sources said post-Labor Day isn't normally a strong time and air traffic is off this year, but passenger loads on the four flights are off about 20 percent from similar routes last September. "They may have done some research,'' said John Hotard, an American Airlines spokesperson. "If it's an issue of being able to control a fewer number of passengers, they may have been astute enough to know that Tuesday and Wednesday are your lower load factor days.'' **************
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yeah, but you're crazy, so i always ignore what you say. its the right thing to do.
"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature." -Alan Watts /
no doubt about it, from my experience
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
But 9/11 data certainly doesn't prove it.
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I call this my spider sense. I got it the day before I nearly dide falling three stories from tat tree in 1998. It was very strong and I actively had to ignore the voice saying to drop this action tonight.
It's only seems impossible for those who have never experienced it. For instance there are people who have many dreams that come true, those dreams are too detailed and occur too often to be coincidence. I know it's hard for many people to believe something that has no concrete scientific proof, but there really is so much out there that we just don't know about yet.
40. The 56 passengers represented a load factor of 33.33 percent of the airplane's seating capacity of 168, below the 49.22 percent for Flight 175 on Tuesdays in the three-month period prior to September 11, 2001. See UAL report, Flight 175 BOS-LAX Load Factors, undated (from June 1, 2001, to Sept. 11, 2001). Nine passengers holding reservations for Flight 175 did not show for the flight. They were interviewed and cleared by the FBI. Are you okey? Did you accidently post on the wrong thread??
Nevermind, I see you are tying in your 911 obsession with this seeing into the future thread.
but there really is so much out there that we just don't know about yet. Amen on both points.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition That statement is totally bull. I usually poo-poo this sort of mind power seeing the future stuff - and while I am still poo-pooing this precognition stuff on the morning of 9/11 I was putting on my shoes to go to work and at the last moment I changed my mind and put on a pair of shoes that I considered more comfortable for walking though I hated how they looked with dress pants and rarely wore them to work. And on that day I had to walk several miles uptown after the collapse. So then your mind goes aha! I felt something was going down that day!! Which then gets magnified in your thinking as a sign of precognition - though I had this memory of the shoe changing on that day, on the train ride to work all the way up to my office I felt nothing more that day. It was a weird feeling I never had before but my rational side can say that the feeling I remember is probably magnified in my memory after the fact by the emotions of the day. In other words, after the fact these kinds of memories are magnified in a person's mind and it makes it seem like you had some sort of vague feeling of precognition. I sure felt I had a weird feeling which resulted in a shoe change but it is more like the mind organizing this memory that way. It is a fascinating subject - that has to do with the way the human mind perceives reality, etc. Is this a case of the human mind, being an organic computer able to calculate multiple scenarios for survival on an instinctive and subconscious level and what we perceive as precognition is really the tally result of a possible probability outcome linked to a survival instinct.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
i knew you wuz gonna say that...
"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature." -Alan Watts /
That doesn't mean it is a sense though. A dream that comes true could be a message from an angel, or for that matter a demon. It doesn't mean that man can sense the future, he can't.
God is always good! I guess you failed to notice that the article introduced the topic of 9/11 and the issue of how full the planes were. I responded to the article and nothing else. You are the one obsessing about 9/11, Diana. Furthermore, you seem to have missed the point that the article claimed ALL of the planes were at half the normal capacity. What I posted clearly shows this is completely untrue. You will not find truth ON ANY SUBJECT by starting with lies and misinformation. If you have a problem with that philosophy, Diana ... too bad.
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Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
This is the way it works: people have bad "gut feelings" about certain things for reasons that have more to do with their brains and hormones than anything else. When they have a "bad feeling" that turns out to be true, they cry "miracle!" or claim that it's because they can see the future. What such anecdotes never mention is the other 99.9% of the time that a person has a "bad feeling" about something, and then absolutely nothing happens. It's like saying that lightning strikes or winning loteries are proof of the supernatural just because they are rare.
Huh?? Uh... right. Whatever you say.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#2. To: RickyJ (#1)
'I believe that we can "sense" the future,' says the Nobel Prizewinning physicist Brian Josephson.
#3. To: gengis gandhi, ALL (#0)
THE aircraft which flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 were unusually empty. All the hijacked planes were carrying only half the usual number of passengers. Perhaps one unusually empty plane could be explained away, but all four?
#4. To: BeAChooser (#3)
#5. To: gengis gandhi (#2)
precognition or remarkable intuition is not uncommon and is also culturally universal
#6. To: angle, ALL (#5)
no doubt about it, from my experience
#7. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#8. To: RickyJ, gengis gandhi, christine (#1)
No, man can't see the future with his own senses. That would be an impossibility.
#9. To: BeAChooser (#3)
From the 9/11 report (http://killtown.911review.org/911report.html ):
#10. To: BeAChooser (#3)
Or perhaps the explanation is more mundane than precognition ...
#11. To: Diana (#8)
I know it's hard for many people to believe something that has no concrete scientific proof,
#12. To: gengis gandhi, BeAChooser (#4)
THE aircraft which flew into the Twin Towers on 9/11 were unusually empty. All the hijacked planes were carrying only half the usual number of passengers. Perhaps one unusually empty plane could be explained away, but all four?
#13. To: Diana (#8)
#14. To: Diana (#8)
For instance there are people who have many dreams that come true, those dreams are too detailed and occur too often to be coincidence.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#15. To: Diana, ALL (#10)
Nevermind, I see you are tying in your 911 obsession with this seeing into the future thread.
#16. To: BeAChooser (#15)
#17. To: gengis gandhi (#0)
#18. To: BeAChooser (#15)
You are the one obsessing about 9/11, Diana.
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