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Title: See What Bush Has 'Accomplished' In Iraq
Source: Pantagraph Publishing
URL Source: http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/ ... /08/opinion/letters/125911.txt
Published: May 8, 2007
Author: Pantagraph Publishing
Post Date: 2007-05-08 11:19:50 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 639
Comments: 61

President Bush says there is still more to accomplish in Iraq so he has vetoed Congress.

Let's review what we have accomplished so far:

Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead, 4 million fled or internally displaced.

Over 2,000 physicians killed, 250 kidnapped and 18,000 fled.

Over 300 academics assassinated and thousands fled.

One hundred journalists and 37 support workers killed; a number higher than any other war on Earth.

The destruction of monuments and archeological sites of the cradle of civilization and of history, in general.

Sectarian strife, militias, introduced with the invasion, between peoples who had lived together for 1,000 years.

Ongoing suicide bombings in a country where they were unheard of.

Rigged elections, the results achieved by threats, bribery, threat of ration card confiscation.

Abu Ghraib's torture, forever the U.S. Army's image in the Middle East.

The disappeared in the thousands.

Destruction of an entire civil society with damage to every institution, costing hundreds of billions of dollars to fix.

Missing Iraqi aid in billions of dollars.

The illegal rewriting of constitutions, both Iraqi and American.

The installation of a quisling government with loyalties largely, to anywhere but Iraq, and an American government with loyalties largely to big business.

Committing Nuremberg's ``supreme crime,'' a war of aggression, based on a pack of lies.

Demands for impeachment increasing by the day.

Destruction of America's and Britain's image for generations to come and the inability of their citizens to feel safe anywhere.

A death toll heading toward 4,000 dead U.S troops - admitted to - and thousands horrifically injured.

A trillion dollar debt.

Near universal loathing of America.

And President Bush wants to continue this war and occupation indefinitely.

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Let's just test the very first claim:

Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead

NONSENSE.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-08   15:01:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

NONSENSE.

Are you saying the claim is nonsense, or is that just a reader's digest of what you normally post here: nonsense?

Critter  posted on  2007-05-08   15:14:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Are you saying the claim is nonsense,

I'm saying that there is no physical evidence, whatsoever, to support the claim that a million Iraqis, or anything close to that number, have died since we invaded. It's sheer nonsense derived from highly flawed studies by researchers who were biased against the war to begin with and who revel in that bias. Researchers who employed people to do the leg work in Iraq who they admit HATED Americans and who published their study in a journal whose editors were equally biased (and therefore failed to adequately perform their peer-review responsibilities). It's a claim with no more substance than the claim that bombs brought down the WTC towers and Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. Is that clear enough to understand, Critter? Or are we talking about yet another eyesight problem?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-08   15:54:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you give me a number that denotes what you believe to be the true number of Iraqi fatalities?

Critter  posted on  2007-05-08   16:10:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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http://www.iraqbodycount.org/press/pr15.php

Summary

On every available indicator the year just ended (March 2006 – March 2007) has been by far the worst year for violence against civilians in Iraq since the invasion:

* almost half (44%) of all violent civilian deaths after the initial invasion phase occurred in the just-ended fourth year of the conflict

* mortar attacks that kill civilians have quadrupled in the last year (from 73 to 289)

* massive bomb blasts that kill more than 50 people have nearly doubled in the last year (from 9 to 17)

* fatal suicide bombs, car bombs, and roadside bombing attacks have doubled in the last year (from 712 to 1476)

* one in 160 of Baghdad’s 6.5 million population has been violently killed since the beginning of the war, representing 64% of deaths recorded so far

These are the stark headlines derived from Iraq Body Count’s ongoing compilation and analysis of media reports of civilian casualties in the Iraq conflict, which has documented 65,000 violent deaths to date.

Trends since 2003.

Following the six week “Shock and Awe” invasion phase (March 19 - May 1, 2003), which alone caused the deaths of some 7,400 civilians, the violent death toll has steadily risen year-on-year. There were 6,332 reported civilian deaths in the 10.5 months following the initial invasion in year one, or 20 per day; 11,312 in year two, 55% up on year one’s daily rate; 14,910 in year three (32% up on year two); and a staggering 26,540 in year four (78% up on year three, and averaging 74 per day). Not counting the 7,400 invasion-phase deaths, four times as many people were killed in the last year as in the first. And from the invasion to the present, at least 110,000 civilians have been wounded, 38,000 of them during year four.

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Take that 65,000 number and double or triple it ... and you probably are in the right ball park. The million claim is simply nonsense.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-08   16:30:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

CLAIM: Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead....

BAC REBUTTAL: Following the six week “Shock and Awe” invasion phase (March 19 - May 1, 2003), which alone caused the deaths of some 7,400 civilians, the violent death toll has steadily risen year-on-year. There were 6,332 reported civilian deaths in the 10.5 months following the initial invasion in year one, or 20 per day; 11,312 in year two, 55% up on year one’s daily rate; 14,910 in year three (32% up on year two); and a staggering 26,540 in year four (78% up on year three, and averaging 74 per day). Not counting the 7,400 invasion-phase deaths, four times as many people were killed in the last year as in the first. And from the invasion to the present, at least 110,000 civilians have been wounded, 38,000 of them during year four.

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Take that 65,000 number and double or triple it ... and you probably are in the right ball park. The million claim is simply nonsense.

In BAC-world, if you did not die violently, you are not dead.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-09   4:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In BAC-world, if you did not die violently, you are not dead.

Apparently, nolu_chan missed the fact that the 92% of the claimed 655,000 deaths were said to be the result of violence.

He/she also missed the significance of those deaths being EXCESS deaths.

Perhaps nolu_chan should go reread the John Hopkins report.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-09   15:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Apparently, nolu_chan missed the fact that the 92% of the claimed 655,000 deaths were said to be the result of violence.

He/she also missed the significance of those deaths being EXCESS deaths.

Perhaps nolu_chan should go reread the John (sic) Hopkins report.

I checked and rechecked the article which is the subject of this thread, and redoubled my efforts, and determined that none of your bullshit is there.

President Bush says there is still more to accomplish in Iraq so he has vetoed Congress.

Let's review what we have accomplished so far:

Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead, 4 million fled or internally displaced.

It still says "Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead." It says nothing about the violent loss of innocent life due to exposure to 92% of BAC's daily quota of 655,000 keystrokes. Perhaps The Entity™ should learn the name of a good medical center and check into Johns Hopkins.

If the Iraqi health care system is broken, and there is no Iraqi Johns Hopkins to check into, and an Iraqi dies as a result, he or she is dead and GWB can take credit from BAC or blame from those who would assign blame.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-10   3:53:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I checked and rechecked the article which is the subject of this thread, and redoubled my efforts, and determined that none of your bullshit is there.

Come on, nolu_chan. Just admit you got caught. You were clearly implying by your previous response that most of the difference between the 65,000 Iraq Body Count found and the 1 million claimed dead is that most of the one million claimed didn't die from violence. But I'm willing to bet that the author's 1 million claim is based on the claims of those John Hopkin's researchers. Those researchers made the assertion that 92% of the 655,000 were violent deaths. And some have since made the assertion the total is now a million.

So I tell you what. I will compare apples and oranges. That would be to compare 65,000 (claimed by IBC) to 920,000 (92% of 1 million). Fair enough? In which case, the claim of 920,000 dead is still totally bogus. It's based on nothing except the claims of about 500 people that didn't like the US, who were selected for polling by people that didn't like the US, which were processed and *peer-reviewed* by people that didn't like Bush or the war. That's a prescription for BOGUS.

It still says "Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead."

Now you are trying to hide behind parsing the article. As if the author really isn't trying to suggest that a million Iraqi have died as a result of the invasion. Pathetic.

If the Iraqi health care system is broken, and there is no Iraqi Johns Hopkins to check into, and an Iraqi dies as a result, he or she is dead and GWB can take credit from BAC or blame from those who would assign blame.

You demonstrate once again that you don't appreciate the conditions in Iraq before the war or even now. The UN and WHO said thousands were dying each month from lack of food, medical care and clean water. That's not the case now thanks to Coalition efforts. You also demonstrate that you don't know what was meant by excess deaths. And you are once again trying to imply that the delta between IBC's 65,000 and the million figure are people that didn't die violently when in fact 92 percent of the million is ascribed to violence by the very group of researchers who started this bogus claim of a million. PATHETIC.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-10   10:13:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I checked and rechecked the article which is the subject of this thread, and redoubled my efforts yet again, and determined yet again that none of your bullshit is there.

President Bush says there is still more to accomplish in Iraq so he has vetoed Congress.

Let's review what we have accomplished so far:

Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead,

4 million fled or internally displaced.

It still says "Possibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead." It says nothing about the violent loss of innocent life due to exposure to 92% of BAC's daily quota of 655,000 keystrokes.

But I'm willing to bet that the author's 1 million claim is based on the claims of those John Hopkin's researchers.

I am still willing to bet that nothing in the article says that. It contines to say that we have accomplished, "[p]ossibly as many as 1 million Iraqi dead...."

Now you are trying to hide behind parsing the article.

I am not parsing the article, I am quoting the article. As the words actually used in the article do not support your fantasy, you feel the compulsion to supply your own imaginative alternate version.

You demonstrate once again that you don't appreciate the conditions in Iraq before the war or even now. The UN and WHO said thousands were dying each month from lack of food, medical care and clean water. That's not the case now thanks to Coalition efforts.

You demonstrate once again that you do not appreciate reality. Those that died are dead now and do not enjoy any of your alleged coalition improvements, be they real or imaginary.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-11   1:05:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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