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Title: Libertarians Are Terrorists, Says The State of Alabama
Source: www.chrisbrunner.com
URL Source: http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/05 ... sts-says-the-state-of-alabama/
Published: May 10, 2007
Author: Chris Brunner
Post Date: 2007-05-10 15:46:33 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 213
Comments: 15

Libertarians Are Terrorists, Says The State of Alabama

The Alabama Department of Homeland Security (ALDHS), established in June of 2003, has recently constructed a website that defines Domestic Terrorists as those who oppose gun control and a strong federal government.

Under the heading “Anti-Government Groups”, the site displays a flag that is widely considered one of the first symbols of American patriotism and reads, “In general, these terrorists claim that the U.S. government is infringing on their individual rights, and/or that the government's policies are criminal and immoral. Such groups may hold that the current government is violating the basic principles laid out by the U.S. Constitution…”

While Anarchism is defined by a lack state control and Communism is a maximization state control, two polar opposite concepts, the page that follows reads, “Anarchists groups are the 21st Century’s version of left wing or communist groups of the last. Anarchists believe that any government or organization that has power over others…will eventually become corrupt and abusive.”

If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers, not a bunch of terrorist anarchist groups. This was the very reason for the implementation of the United States Constitution! In fact even Section 35 of the Alabama Constitution warns of this danger is it declares, “the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.”

The Alabama.gov site continues, “Most of these groups operate around larger urban areas and colleges/universities… Some are focused on issues such as World Trade, International Debt, and military involvement in foreign cultures… The theme is always the same. Big [government] is bad. Rich are using the poor to stay rich. Our government in particular is using its power immorally.”

In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, most of our national debt being held by foreign nations, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!

The very idea that those who value their personal rights and liberties are being labeled terrorists by the State of Alabama is not only absurd and egregiously offensive, it completely contradicts the ideals our federal and state governments were founded on! The people of Alabama should be outraged!

These Alabama.gov pages can be reached by visiting the Alabama Homeland Security TAP Course, clicking on "Domestic Terrorists", and then on "Anti-Government Groups".

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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers, not a bunch of terrorist anarchist groups.

Clue: Our founding fathers WERE a bunch of terrorist anarchists.

That's what made our country great for the eighty years it was relatively free.

The more laws, the more offenders.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-05-10   15:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Terrorism is still defined as "violence or threat of same for the purpose of effecting political change"

So, for now it's not unlawful to hold those anti govt views.

But, if the govt outlaws my views then I guess I'll just do what they say, because after Waco and Ruby Ridge I know they mean business and won't play fair.

And, if a foreign power invades us someday I'll salute what ever army bearing whatever flag. If the US govt has no loyalty then they should expect none.

I just hope I don't have to learn Chinese.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-05-10   16:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

They're just getting the vats of hot oil ready for all of these "domestic terrrorists" that will need to be labeled unlawful combatants and whisked away or "bagged" in the middle of the night, ala "V".


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2007-05-10   18:47:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: *3rd Party* (#0)

In short, if you oppose gun control, taxes, military intervention, most of our national debt being held by foreign nations, or just a large federal government, you might be a terrorist!

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-10   20:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

If I’m not mistaken, the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive was first made popular in this country by our founding fathers,

Well, I think Plato may have chimed in on the subject, but as far as realpolitic (there, that should send a shock down the spinal columns of any neo-con control freaks lurking here) you are absolutely correct that the US of A was the first to incorporate such sentiment into formal compact.

"Be just and if you can't be just, be arbitrary." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-05-10   20:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)

Terrorism is still defined as "violence or threat of same for the purpose of effecting political change"

I take it that includes separating my property from me by use of force by usurping gov't thugs under color of law.

It's a 2-way street. See how they like having the tables turned on them. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-12   15:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: bluedogtxn (#1)

Our founding fathers WERE a bunch of terrorist anarchists.

The founders were not anarchists. They were very much in favor of the rule of law, and petitioned time and again for redress of their grievances. They were ignored and even looked down at with contempt by George III.

Today we deal with our own evil king George.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-12   15:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

the idea that government, if not kept in check, will become corrupt and abusive

how funny - the current alabama state legislature has accomplished one thing - they voted themselves a 62% pay raise. no corruption or abuse here.

kiki  posted on  2007-05-12   15:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: kiki (#8)

how funny - the current alabama state legislature has accomplished one thing - they voted themselves a 62% pay raise. no corruption or abuse here.

Nice work, if you can get it.

I simply refuse to crawl with the snakes.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-12   15:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

Terrorism is still defined as "violence or threat of same for the purpose of effecting political change"

I take it that includes separating my property from me by use of force by usurping gov't thugs under color of law.

It's a 2-way street. See how they like having the tables turned on them. ;0)

My scruffy ol' tax reb buddies in CA held actual commie cell sit down classes on the subject.

We conspired against the income tax by among other things resolving that we could not hold real estate or anything else that cannot be put beyond the reach of an unsigned IRS computer letter.

If they can cloud title and worry you out of a good night's rest with a piece of paper then you don't really own it. You're paying tax rent so you can call it your own!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-05-13   1:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)

If they can cloud title and worry you out of a good night's rest with a piece of paper then you don't really own it. You're paying tax rent so you can call it your own!

That is why I love the Security Agreement and Assignment of Account we use to call off the dogs of debt.

I used it on the IRS a year and a half back for over $8k they said I owed and they just went away after send me a double talk form letter saying something like "we have not made a determination because we have not yet made a determination" or some other such nonsense.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-13   2:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#11) (Edited)

That is why I love the Security Agreement and Assignment of Account we use to call off the dogs of debt.

I used it on the IRS a year and a half back for over $8k they said I owed and they just went away after send me a double talk form letter saying something like "we have not made a determination because we have not yet made a determination" or some other such nonsense.

Oh, that's right, I forgot that you're a new age tax survivor with some resourceful alternatives to paying the extortion!

"Security Agreement and Assignment of Account" really sounds like clever legal ball breaking, and the bottom line is they get paper and no assets! ;)

If so then my compliments to the chef!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-05-13   2:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)

"Security Agreement and Assignment of Account" really sounds like clever legal ball breaking, and the bottom line is they get paper and no assets! ;)

If so then my compliments to the chef!

The assets come from the account they created for you when you applied for an SSN. Since they have been operating your account they are bound to leave any profits there until you pass from the scene. After that, those funds are considered "abandoned" and they go into another account. Exactly where we have not figured out yet. These accounts are all "offshore" (Puerto Rico, for instance).

At any rate, the funds that are there are available to us if we know how to "pay" the expense caused us by government. The assignment does it quite nicely at the moment. After all, the USG is the original obligor of the currency. We are just sending the bill back to Uncle Sam to pay with those funds held for us in trust, which is the way it should be, considering the mischief of Congress and all. And also the fact that we are funding the credit behemoth with our signatures and credit energy. They have to have those funds there because of the 5th Amendment prohibition against takings.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-13   3:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings (#13)

The assets come from the account they created for you when you applied for an SSN. Since they have been operating your account they are bound to leave any profits there until you pass from the scene. After that, those funds are considered "abandoned" and they go into another account. Exactly where we have not figured out yet. These accounts are all "offshore" (Puerto Rico, for instance).

At any rate, the funds that are there are available to us if we know how to "pay" the expense caused us by government. The assignment does it quite nicely at the moment. After all, the USG is the original obligor of the currency. We are just sending the bill back to Uncle Sam to pay with those funds held for us in trust, which is the way it should be, considering the mischief of Congress and all. And also the fact that we are funding the credit behemoth with our signatures and credit energy. They have to have those funds there because of the 5th Amendment prohibition against takings.

I should research the swindle more....

Hell, if they gimme a SS check I'll be a good snitch for them and rat out everyone handing out free DVDs about 9/11 and other stuff....

In fact, there's a suspicious character right across the street and I think he's hoarding an "arsenal"! (govt definition-more than one gun)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-05-13   9:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)

I should research the swindle more....

They fund the account by registration of the birth certificate and put these onto the international securities exchange with a presumed value of $1 million each.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-13   11:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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