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Title: SSN-666 Case Looming In Texas
Source: American Christian Liberty Society
URL Source: http://www.christianliberty.org/art ... 666-case-looming-in-texas.html
Published: May 10, 2007
Author: H. Lance Freeman
Post Date: 2007-05-10 20:08:08 by David Alan Carmichael
Keywords: constitution, religion, ssn
Views: 821
Comments: 61

SSN-666 Case Looming In Texas H. Lance Freeman May 9, 2007

After several years of wrangling with the Texas government, a crop duster is giving the Texas Department of Agriculture one last chance to approve his application for a pesticide applicators license without compelling him to forsake his religious obligations. Gene McArthur has submitted a religious accommodation request to Todd Staples, the Commissioner of the Texas Department of Agriculture (TDA). In his request, Mr. McArthur states, “I am prohibited by my religion from identifying with the number of the beast cited by the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible… The Social Security Number is the number of the beast.” Mr. McArthur’s religious prohibition conflicts with the TDA requirement for all applicants to identify themselves with a Social Security Number. The requirement stems from section 666 of the United States Code dealing with Social Security (42 USC §666).

The first round of Mr. McArthur’s battle was fought by him alone. As a result, Susan Combs, then Commissioner of the TDA, denied Mr. McArthur’s religious accommodation request acting upon the opinion of Attorney General Gregg Abbot (Opinion #GA-0289). In his opinion, the Attorney General stated, ““Although the "right to worship without governmental restriction or compulsion is fundamental, the Supreme Court has refused to strictly scrutinize laws that are generally applicable and neutral toward religion yet have an incidental effect on certain religious practices.”” Mauldin, 94 S.W.3d at 872 (citing Smith, 494 U.S. at 878-79). In 1999, over five years before the Attorney General reviewed Mr. McArthur’s case, the Texas legislature passed the Religious Freedom Act intending to reverse the effects of court refusals to “strictly scrutinize laws that are generally applicable and neutral toward religion yet have an incidental effect on certain religious practices.” In his opinion regarding Mr. McArthur’s situation, Mr. Abbott never mentioned the existing Texas statute that specifically addressed the government’s burden to consider accommodation a religious practice that conflicts with a government practice (Tx. Stat., Title 5, Ch. 110). The Statute provides that, “a government agency may not substantially burden a person's free exercise of religion” – unless – “the government agency demonstrates that the application of the burden to the person: (1) is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and (2) is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest.”

This round, Mr. McArthur is not standing alone. He has the support of an Austin law firm, and a religious liberty advocacy group. In a letter from the lawyer representing Mr. McArthur to Todd Staples, Commissioner of the TDA, she stated “It is clear to me that both the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, (42 USC §2000bb) and the Texas Religious Freedom Act (Texas Statutes, Title 5, Chapter 110) were violated when Mr. McArthur’s previous religious accommodation request was denied.” In her letter, Mr. McArthur’s lawyer asserted that the government could not prove a “compelling” governmental interest to the “person” of Mr. McArthur who does not have any child support obligations. She stated, ““Government efficiency such as enforcing child support obligations with relative quickness or accuracy is not the principal purpose for which governments are instituted. Securing Mr. McArthur’s religious liberty is a “compelling governmental interest” that substantially outweighs relative administrative conveniences or contrivances.”” She warned the government that “Unless Mr. McArthur’s request for religious accommodation is approved, within the customary timeframe required for processing pesticide applicators licenses, we anticipate filing a sixty day notice of intent to take action at law in compliance with the provisions of Texas Religious Freedom Act, Title 5, Sections 110.00l through 110.012.”

Mr. McArthur is affiliated with a network of other Christian’s who share the same religious beliefs. They are joining together to provide faith and financial support for Mr. McArthur in his fight. David Alan Carmichael is the Principal Minister of the American Christian Liberty Society. Mr. Carmichael recently prevailed in a law suit against the United States Navy who discharged him after he made a religious accommodation request to not be identified by a Social Security Number, David Alan Carmichael v. United States, 298 F.3d 1367, Fed. Cir. (Aug 2002); 66 Fed. Cl. 115 (2005). He founded the American Christian Liberty Society as a religious support group focused upon the needs of those who’s religious convictions prohibit them from identifying with a universal identification number, or through the use of biometric identifiers such as fingerprints, retina scans, facial scans, DNA, or implanted electronic devices (http://www.christianliberty.org). Their group believes that those mechanisms fulfill the Bible prophesies of Revelation, chapter 13, referring to the number, mark, and name of the Beast. Mr. Carmichael wrote a letter to Todd Staples, Commissioner of the TDA to affirm the bona fides of Mr. McArthur’s convictions, saying, “I interviewed him with the intent of determining whether or not he is truly sincere, whether his beliefs are Biblically based, and whether his lifestyle and actions are consistent with his professed convictions… I am certain that to Mr. McArthur, identifying with the Social Security Number is in affect denying loyalty to Jesus Christ for the sake of loyalty to the Anti-Christ.”

Mr. Carmichael believes that Mr. McArthur’s fight will have far-reaching consequences upon the future of religious liberty in America.

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#1. To: David Alan Carmichael, Thread (#0)

Right On !

America has operated for most of its history (400 years) without the SSN ... a compelling governmental interest doesn't truly exist. What really does exist is contract law, forfeiture of rights, and a minimal convenience in tracking people, for the government.

Persons with SSN's are government property (chattel) [not God's property] and can be treated any way the government chooses, period.

Good luck David and company.

Some say freedom isn't free; I agree, but submission to fascism costs you everything including your pride

noone222  posted on  2007-05-10   20:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Good luck David and company

Thank you. We will need much more than luck considering whom it is that we are fighting. We are not merely wrestling against flesh and blood.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   21:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Keeping you up to date

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   21:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: David Alan Carmichael (#3)

Mr. Carmichael recently prevailed in a law suit against the United States Navy who discharged him after he made a religious accommodation request to not be identified by a Social Security Number, David Alan Carmichael v. United States, 298 F.3d 1367, Fed. Cir. (Aug 2002); 66 Fed. Cl. 115 (2005).

Wait a minute here. You had no problem serving in the armed forces of the United States, but you had a problem with an assigned number? Sorry, not buying it.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-05-10   22:11:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: RickyJ (#4)

You had no problem serving in the armed forces of the United States, but you had a problem with an assigned number? Sorry, not buying it.

I came to the conviction about the number while I was in the military. God spoke to me and ordered me to forsake the number. He did not tell me to get out of the Navy, He told me to forsake the number and then go to the Navy leadership and ask for an accommodation. I did what I was told.

What is it that you do not "buy"?

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   22:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: RickyJ (#4)

SSN-666 was the nuclear powered submarine Hawkbill until decom a few years ago. So what is this guys problem?

willyone  posted on  2007-05-10   22:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: David Alan Carmichael (#5)

"What is it that you do not "buy"?"

That the Goddess told you anything so explicit and exact for one. (I am Wiccan, and believe in the Goddess who created this world and all on it.)

We have a president who claims he gets directions from 'God' all the time and would have us believe his agenda is divinely inspired.

Good luck with your quest, as I'm not especially fond of the S.S. number, but core religious differences we have preclude me from buying this claim of divine contact of yours'.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: willyone (#6)

SSN-666 was the nuclear powered submarine Hawkbill until decom a few years ago. So what is this guys problem?

The 666 that I was referring to is 42 USC 666. It is the United States Code that requires States receiving welfare funds to require all applicants for Driver's licenses, professional licenses, marriage licenses, recreational licenses, and occupational licenses to identify with a SSN. The Bible mentions such a number that is required for every man, rich or poor, slave or free, to identify themselves for the ordinary course of life and business. Read Revelation Chapter 13.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   22:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

That the Goddess told you anything so explicit and exact for one.

That is because "the goddess" neither hears, sees, nor speaks.

The social security number is the "number of the beast" referred to in the book of Revelation, chapter 13. The manifestation of it now is merely another thing that demonstrates that the word of Elohim is true. You can read about Elohim in Genesis chapter 1. Elohim speaks, and He sees and He hears.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   22:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: David Alan Carmichael (#9)

The Bible is an interesting and deliberately censored original historical document, nothing more.

I had Wiccan on my dogtags when I was an NCO in the U.S. Army and I got my share of hassle from various Christains not liking this. So I empathize with your situation.

But I do not believe the Goddess operates on a one to one basis with explicit instructions with anyone. That just does not happen.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: David Alan Carmichael (#9)

United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit

01-5034

DAVID ALAN CARMICHAEL,

Plaintiff-Appellant,

v.

UNITED STATES,

Defendant-Appellee.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: willyone (#6)

Wee Willy Winkie
Runs through the town,
Upstairs and downstairs
In his nightgown.
Rapping at the windows,
Crying through the lock,
"Are the children all in bed?
For it's now eight o'clock"

I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. -- Christine, Freedom4um

Esso  posted on  2007-05-10   22:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: David Alan Carmichael (#9)

Now this is an interesting link;

http://Jahtruth.net

I got it from the URL with a story related to your situation:

Am I now a criminal?

I noticed Jahtruth. net is scripted to make it diffucult to back click from it like many commercial sites, why is that?

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: David Alan Carmichael (#9)

This site is my tool to oppose the people and organisations who are anti-God, i.e anti- TRUTH, LOVE, and FREEDOM. If we are to live under God's Laws, the perfect Sociological system then we must oppose them. God's Laws are the ONLY Laws legal on this planet.

http://100777.com/introduction

Do you believe this too?

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Neil McIver (#0)

LWAN ping

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-10   22:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

But I do not believe the Goddess operates on a one to one basis with explicit instructions with anyone. That just does not happen

I am sure Moses' belief system had a radical change once he had a first-hand experience. When Elohim said, "Moses", I am sure Moses understood that Elohim (has He referred to Himself beginning in Genesis) both sees, hears, and speaks. Jesus said, my sheep know my voice. He said, if you abide in my words, you are my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

I have had the same first hand experience that Moses had. It hinges not on what people may or may not believe. The Disciple of Jesus, John, wrote the book of Revelation on the basis of a first-hand encounter with Elohim. I have thus far acted upon my first-hand directive from Almighty God. He has shown Himself miraculously strong on my behalf since I have been obedient to Him and have forsaken the number of the beast. Our victory in Court was after a series of tangible miracles. My survival since being ejected from the Navy was due to a series of tangible miracles. I wrote a book about it.

The scriptures say, "The eyes of the Lord look to and fro throughout the whole earth, searching to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose hearts are loyal to Him." I have experienced this, and Him, first-hand. It has been quite exciting, though the first steps of obedience were very scary.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   22:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Esso (#12)

Good night Willy

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   22:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: David Alan Carmichael (#16)

How many of you so-called men out there rule over your wives, as God said you should? This does not mean that you should be anything other than loving to your wives, but who really controls your household? Who decides what the children will be taught? Who arranges for their spiritual education? Who drives household policy, discipline, etc.? Who is in charge in your bedroom? Who leads your family to God? Who do you know that stands up against injustice, or is fighting to return us to God’s Laws (rather than man’s illegal laws)?

If you did not answer ‘I do’ to ALL of the questions above, you are not a real man in God’s eyes.

http://100777.com/feminism/

Do you believe women are chattle and not equal partners with men?

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   22:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

I noticed Jahtruth. net is scripted to make it diffucult to back click from it like many commercial sites, why is that?

I have no idea. I have never heard of the sight.

Articles that I have written certainly circulate. I post things I write here on Freedom4um and in a newsgroup that I started that has less than 350 members. Articles are being sent around no doubt and republished at various websites. I don't copyright them.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:00:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Esso (#12)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock

The doomsday clock is now 5 minutes to midnight. Poor Wee Willy Winkie.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-10   23:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

This site is my tool to oppose the people and organisations who are anti-God, i.e anti- TRUTH, LOVE, and FREEDOM. If we are to live under God's Laws, the perfect Sociological system then we must oppose them. God's Laws are the ONLY Laws legal on this planet. http://100777.com/introduction

Do you believe this too?

Truth preserves life, liberty and justice. Without the power of Almighty God, Elohim, Creator of heaven and earth, all we have left to us is mere conservation depleated by entropy.

It is certain that the one who created gravity, and the laws of thermodynamics, and other natural laws has also created "law". It does not "evolve" at the whim of men, "law" is. Society is certainly going from order to chaos the more we abdicate the law of Elohim. The Bible says, "Wicked men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand all." Proverbs 28:5

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: David Alan Carmichael (#5)

have you any of the chapters of your book posted online so that Ricky and Mike can read your story?

christine  posted on  2007-05-10   23:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: David Alan Carmichael (#21)

I'll take that as a yes, thanks. I assume this is your video on Google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 1056326545846568538

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: David Alan Carmichael, noone222, Neil McIver (#2)

the irony of the code # relating to the SSN being 666...or is it irony?

christine  posted on  2007-05-10   23:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Do you believe women are chattle and not equal partners with men?

I can only believe was Elohim has said. My wife is my help-meet. She is bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh. Since I have left my father and mother, the two of us have become one flesh. None-the-less, I do not permit her to make contracts. I make a point of signing everything. She likes it. If I sign all the contracts, nobody can take her to court. I sent in my last tax return as head of household. My wife does not file tax returns. My wife will not be taken to court. The buck stops here. I protect her. I fulfill the role that I do best, and she fulfills the roles she does best. We love Elohim first, and then our love for each other remains the best it can be.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#22)

have you any of the chapters of your book posted online so that Ricky and Mike can read your story

I had some excerpts on a webpage but I just checked the web page and found that I did not leave the link to the exerpts on it when I last changed the sight. If you email me at faithfrontier@verizon.net, send me a physical mailing address, I will send a copy of the book to you "for free". The copies I have had been paid for by others so that I could give some away.

I have the PDF version that was sent to the printers. I guess I could eventually put a link on the internet for folks to download. Harass me a few times about it and I will probably put it ahead on my priority list.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#23)

I'll take that as a yes, thanks. I assume this is your video on Google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 1056326545846568538

Yes. That is me.

What I described is happening parallels Revelation Chapter 13.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: David Alan Carmichael (#25)

Do you know who Claude Vorilhon now known as "Rael" is?

And... What do you think of this:

'Planet of Eternal Life' The Elohim had long dark hair and olive skin and "exuded harmony and humor." They told Rael, he says, that they were the ones who made life on Earth, that humans were created from DNA by "scientifically advanced people who made human beings literally in their image." This first encounter, Rael is saying, lasted about one hour.

"There was a second encounter in 1975, two years later." He was taken to "the Planet of Eternal Life, where I saw the prophets and human beings who had been cloned after death, like Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Muhammad." Rael says those prophets are still alive on that planet.

The spaceship that took him there was 22 feet in diameter and 8 feet tall. An exact replica is hanging down the hall in a two-story room painted midnight black with silver stars splattered on the ceiling in the swirl of a far-away galaxy. A giant model of a DNA molecule twirls, casting shadows and making the room seem inhabited by creatures one cannot see.

Rael says that inside the spaceship he felt secure. Natural light poured in. Once Rael was seated inside, "the being touched a spot on the wall and the saucer became transparent except for the top and the bottom. Their technology is 25,000 years more advanced than ours and uses waves faster than light to travel. The craft is probably controlled by the mind of the pilot."

Rael says the Elohim gave him a message to destroy the "myth of God."

He said they told him: "We were the ones who made all life on Earth. You mistook us for gods." They say humans are now mature enough to understand cloning, and should build an official "embassy" near Jerusalem, near the Garden of Eden, where they say the first humans were cloned and where the Elohim could return and contact us again.

Rael says he is here to inform, not to convince. He says he was born in Vichy, France, reared by a Catholic mother, but he was never baptized. Rael says his mother's name was Mary. Mary "like Virgin Mary, but she was not a virgin." He says his father was one of the Elohim.

Rael says the Elohim created synthetic life as easily as the Bible says God created man from a handful of dirt. "There is no God in the Bible. . . . Elohim was wrongly translated into the word God. What does it mean? In Hebrew, 'those who came from the sky.' "

The seeker thinks of other references to people who have come out of the sky in different religions. Some faiths believe that when a person dies, his consciousness goes to the spirit world. And the preacher back home talked of an angel descending from Heaven holding a key to a bottomless pit to lock up Satan for a thousand years. This being in the Book of Revelation, where there is also mention of false prophets.

The seeker begins to ask another question, but one of the four men - the bishop, seated behind the seeker - interrupts to remind the seeker to please address the man as "His Holiness Rael."

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: David Alan Carmichael (#26)

harass harass ;)

(i purchased your book and have read it)

christine  posted on  2007-05-10   23:27:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#29)

harass harass

That is one of the forms of the word, "curiousity" to a ferret. ;-)

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#28)

Do you know who Claude Vorilhon now known as "Rael" is?

And... What do you think of this: ....

A marvelous saying takes care of it. "The proof is in the pudding"

Rael is contrary to the entirety of the Bible. Rael is either deadly wrong, or the Bible is completely wrong, and my first-hand experiences that are in-synch with the Bible are merely extreme coincidences. 42 USC 666 is a coincidence. The progress of the use of the marks on your right hand and forehead to do those things necessary in the ordinary course of life and business are coincidences. The progress of the use of the hexal DNA code (the number of a man) to do those things necessary in the ordinary course of life and business is a mere coincidence. All the things that I have written about in my book, which really happened, are mere coincidences.

I vote to reject Rael on the basis of what I know from first-hand experience that happens to be confirmed by the Bible.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#29)

(i purchased your book and have read it)

Did I actually charge you for it? I remember getting a check recently with a request for a book, but I thought I sent the check back. If folks send money as a gift, we merely use it to pay for printing expenses

What is your take on the book considering ferret's comments?

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: David Alan Carmichael (#31)

Fasinating, thanks. I harvested that information from here if you are curious:

http://www.rickross.com/grou ps/raelians.html

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: David Alan Carmichael (#32)

"What is your take on the book considering ferret's comments?"

I am always curious about something like this. I assure you that I am not trying to poison the well.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#28)

Now how did this conversation start? Oh yeah. Gene McArthur has made a religious accommodation request to not be required to confess or identify with the number of the beast on the basis of his obligations to Almighty God that were laid out in the Bible.

There is a lawyer who has written a superb letter on his behalf.

There is a group of like faithed Christians who are coming to Mr. McArthur's aid.

I encourage you to read the links to the letters sent by Mr. McArthur, his lawyer, and by me. They are linked to the article at the actually website from where the article was published.

http://www.christianliberty.org/mcarthur/666_ssn_case_looming_in_texas.pdf

or

http://www.christianliberty.org/art/ssn-666-case-looming-in- texas.html

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-10   23:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: David Alan Carmichael (#35)

Thanks, Yes, I am reading the second one right now.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-10   23:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: David Alan Carmichael (#32)

i bought it to help you out with your legal costs. it was a long time ago when Neil posted your story here.

i thought if Mike (and Ricky) could read your story with detailed description of your relationship with the Lord first hand, he'd have an understanding of who you are rather than only by the article you've posted on this thread. it's like reading a book starting in the middle.

christine  posted on  2007-05-10   23:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#37)

i bought it to help you out with your legal costs. it was a long time ago when Neil posted your story here

I thought you were sending a gift to the ACLS TRUST to support the legal costs incurred in helping Larry Lewis and Gene McArthur. I sent the book just because you asked for it. It really is free. Thus, I have no excuse for not getting the pdf version linked to the internet.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-11   0:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#35)

They are linked to the article at the actually website from where the article was published.

Sorry for the typographical errors. I am typing from a sideways position, laying down, with a laptop computer propped up on a book. I am challenged.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-11   0:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: David Alan Carmichael (#38)

I thought you were sending a gift to the ACLS TRUST to support the legal costs incurred in helping Larry Lewis and Gene McArthur. I sent the book just because you asked for it.

ah, ok, detail memory failure. ;)

christine  posted on  2007-05-11   0:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine (#40)

I will let you know when it is posted on the web.

I will work on it tonight while I am monitoring the freedum4um.

David Alan Carmichael  posted on  2007-05-11   0:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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