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Title: Microsoft: Linux Violates 235 of our Patents
Source: Wired
URL Source: http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/05/microsoft_linux.html
Published: May 14, 2007
Author: Wired
Post Date: 2007-05-14 15:46:15 by robin
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Microsoft: Linux Violates 235 of our Patents

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Richard Stallman. Photo by Zugaldia
Microsoft told Fortune magazine Linux violates 235 of its patents. While the claim is jaw-dropping, just as interesting is Fortune's take on how Microsoft got into the patent-protection racket in the first place. With the courts interpreting software's patent eligibility differently, Microsoft went gangbusters into filing for patents (as opposed to simply copyrighting its software) in the early years of this decade. The story also has a great primer on the Free Software Foundation, Open Source, the Torvalds-Stallman split, and the deal Microsoft signed with Novell that really began this fight. The gist of the story is that if the fight between MSFT and the the free software folks escalates, Redmond could end up suing corporate Linux users, many of whom are also Microsoft customers. But wait! Not to be outdone, Stallman's group is fighting fire with fire:
In free-software circles, though, the Microsoft-Novell entente was met with apoplectic rage. Novell's most eminent Linux developer quit in protest. Stallman, of course, denounced it. Not only did it make a mockery of free-software principles, but it threatened the community's common-defense strategy.

FOSS developers, who do not have the resources to defend themselves against a Microsoft patent suit, felt safe as long as powerful corporate Linux users shared their cause. But now the big boys could just buy their Linux from a royalty-paying vendor like Novell, getting protection from lawsuits and leaving the little guys to fend for themselves. What the shortsighted corporate types didn't grasp was that without the little-guy developers there might not be any high-quality FOSS for them to use five years down the road.

"We should talk," Stallman's attorney, Moglen, told Smith in a phone call a few days after the announcement. On Nov. 9, they met at the Software Freedom Law Center's tidy offices on Manhattan's Upper West Side. The Free Software Foundation was planning to prevent Microsoft from doing any more deals like the one it made with Novell, Moglen told Smith. It was drafting a new version of the GPL that would plug the loophole that Smith had just exploited.
Microsoft's big nightmare: free online apps

Moglen had another card to play. In his view, the fact that Microsoft was selling coupons that customers could trade in for Novell Linux subscriptions meant that Microsoft was now a Linux distributor. And that, as Moglen saw it, meant that Microsoft was itself subject to the terms of the GPL. So he'd write a clause saying, in effect, that if Microsoft continued to issue Novell Linux coupons after the revised GPL took effect, it would be waiving its right to bring patent suits not just against Novell customers, but against all Linux users. "I told Brad," he recalls, "'I think you should just walk away from the patent part of the deal now.'"

Smith didn't, and Moglen kept his promise. On March 28, the Free Software Foundation made public revised GPL provisions, which are expected to take effect in July.

This looks to be a big old fight that might not be settled anytime soon. It's going to be a hot summer.
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#1. To: Neil McIver, Critter (#0)

ping!

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-14   15:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

Microsoft is getting desperate. Vista must not be selling as well as they claim.

I hope they do it. It would vastly accelerate their downfall.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-05-14   15:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

Ping List: *Lets Bomb Iran*

MS wants to bomb Iran? Did they copy Vista illegally or something?

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-05-14   15:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: RickyJ. all (#2)

Vista must not be selling as well as they claim.

I don't know anyone who's migrated to Vista, and I certainly have no plans to do so.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-14   15:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: RickyJ (#3)

No, it's a mistake. I was looking for the Linux ping list, but somehow that one popped up.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-14   16:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

I wonder how many desk jockeys in the legal department spent the winter cooking this one up.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-14   17:29:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

Microsoft: Linux Violates 235 of our Patents

Let's see.

Xerox invented the mouse, Apple invented the graphic user interface, Netscape invented the web browser and Unix was around long before MS-DOS, which MS, incidently initially bought and did not develop. Bell Labs, which made Unix has a lot more ground to stand on in making such a claim, and they couldn't press their case.

MS's life long strategy has been playing the licensing game, and they've done more copying themselves than innovations.

It's interesting that MS might be billed as a linux distributor, though. Makes it look like MS is being assimilated by linux.

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Neil McIver  posted on  2007-05-14   18:04:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Neil McIver (#7)

MS's life long strategy has been playing the licensing game, and they've done more copying themselves than innovations.

No kidding, and "copying" is putting it nicely.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-14   18:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin, neil mcIvwe (#0) (Edited)

Separately, MS insiders sold over 537,000,000.00 $$$ of stock in the last ten days.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-05-14   19:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#0)

Any Constitutional Lawyers care to comment?

Article I, Section 8: To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

The patent might be vacated because "progress" was done by the public domain and released to the public domain. Patents are granted to promote *progress* and not for revenue purposes.

Further, since the patented idea is now in the public domain and Microsoft has not acted strongly to protect their rights (who do you sue?) the patent might be vacated on those grounds as well.

Press 1 to proceed in English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2007-05-14   19:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#10)

Good question.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-14   20:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Neil McIver (#7) (Edited)

...MS-DOS, which MS, incidently initially bought and did not develop.

Exactly.

MSDos History

Not exactly correct.

Gate's mother was a lawyer for IBM, and that is why "In 1980, IBM first approached Bill Gates and Microsoft..."

At least, that is my understanding.

The part: "...QDOS was different enough from CP/M to be considered legal" is absurd to anyone familiar with both systems. This is offered up as the reason that Kindall didn't sue. Considered by whom? Something else was occuring here.

I doubt that we'll ever know the truth of the matter.

Anyone here use an early Kaypro?

I must add that there was a C/PM version available for the IBM PC at about $60, whereas Gates offering was about $7.00, cost to IBM.

...with the power of conviction, there is no sacrifice.

rack42  posted on  2007-05-14   23:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: rack42, Neil McIver (#12)

I doubt that we'll ever know the truth of the matter.

I was told 20-odd years ago that Kildall went flying and left his wife to meet with the IBM reps. I checked on Wiki and came up with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kildall

IBM dealings

IBM approached Digital Research in 1980, at Bill Gates's suggestion, to license a version of CP/M called CP/M-86 for its upcoming IBM PC. Gary knew about the meeting, but he missed the first part while he and colleague Tom Rolander used Kildall's private plane to deliver software to manufacturer Bill Godbout.[1][5] Instead the IBM representatives met with Dorothy, who managed the company's business affairs. Before explaining the purpose of their visit they insisted that DRI accept a standard non-disclosure agreement that required it not to reveal anything about the meeting and allowed IBM unfettered use of any information that DRI might disclose. On the advice of DRI attorney Gerry Davis, Dorothy refused to sign the agreement without Gary's approval. Gary returned in the afternoon and signed the agreement so negotiations could go forward, but accounts disagree about whether he personally met with the IBM representatives or was merely at DRI while the negotiations were in progress.[6]

Various reasons have been given for the two companies failing to reach an agreement. DRI, which had only a few products, might have been unwilling to license its main product to IBM for a one-time payment rather than its usual royalty-based plan. Dorothy might have believed that the company could not deliver CP/M-86 on IBM's proposed schedule, as the company was busy developing an implementation of the PL/I programming language for Data General.[7] Or, the IBM representatives might have been annoyed that DRI had spent hours on what they considered a routine formality. According to Kildall, the IBM representatives took the same flight to Florida that night that he and Dorothy took for their vacation, and they negotiated further on the flight, reaching a handshake agreement. IBM lead negotiator Jack Sams insisted that he never met Gary, and an IBM colleague recalled that he said so at the time. He accepted that someone else in his group might have been on the same flight, but noted that he flew back to Seattle to talk with Microsoft again.[5]

Sams related the story to Gates, who had already agreed to provide a BASIC interpreter and several other programs for the PC. Gates's impression of the story was that Gary capriciously "went flying," as he would later tell reporters.[8] Sams left Gates with the task of obtaining an operating system, so he suggested using the CP/M clone QDOS from Seattle Computer Products (SCP). Paul Allen negotiated a licensing deal with SCP, had QDOS adapted for IBM's hardware, and IBM shipped it as PC-DOS.[6]

Kildall obtained a copy of PC-DOS, examined it, and concluded that it was a rip-off of CP/M. He took this information to Gerry Davis, but Davis told him that intellectual property law for software was not clear enough to pursue legal action (Davis later said that under current case law, he would have sued).[9] Instead Kildall confronted IBM with the threat of legal action, and IBM agreed to offer CP/M-86 as an option for the PC in return for a release of liability.[10] When the IBM PC was introduced, IBM sold the operating system as an unbundled (but necessary) option. One of the operating system options was PC-DOS, priced at US$40. CP/M-86 shipped a few months later at $240, but sold poorly against DOS.[1]

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-16   8:09:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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