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Title: Ron Paul vs. Rudy “The Thug” Giuliani
Source: AntiWar.com
URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/05 ... aul-vs-rudy-the-thug-giuliani/
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2007-05-16 13:14:26 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 917
Comments: 74

In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!”

Of course he hasn’t heard it: he’s so busy pandering to the worst instincts of red-state fascists Republicans, calling for a national ID card, and drooling at the thought of torture that he has no time for a reality-based assessment of American foreign policy. That bullying would-be Mafia don, who looks and acts like someone out of “The Sopranos,” demanded that Ron Paul “withdraw his remarks and tell us he didn’t mean it.” Paul’s answer,

“I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.”  

 In effect: screw you, Rudy!

As even the dumbos over at http://FreeRepublic.com acknowledge, Rep. Paul is factually correct. Bin Laden’s fatwa gave his reasons for the attack, and the savaging of Iraq — pre-invasion — is front-and -center..

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#4. To: Brian S (#0)

In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!

Rude Giuliani has never heard of or read what Gen. Smedley Butler testified to Congress about, "American intervention".

Paul needs to read some of Butlers words to the MSM who also are ignorant by choice.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   4:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

The recent debate and flare-up between Jew-Liani and Ron Paul has caused the pussies in the MSM like Beck, Hannity, Blitzer, Shill I'sraeli and others to foam at the mouth. Each is vying for a chance to bring Paul down, hoping to get a pat on the head from their globalist masters ... but the facts are on Ron Paul's side ... not that these whores recognize any value in truth or facts.

noone222  posted on  2007-05-17   4:45:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#5) (Edited)

If Ron Paul cannot be trashed by the Zionist attack dogs before the upcoming presidential election, he will suffer a fatal accident.

Zoroaster  posted on  2007-05-17   4:59:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zoroaster (#7)

If Ron Paul cannot be trashed by the Zionist attack dogs before the upcoming presidential election, he will suffer a fatal accident.

Our Jew controlled government cannot afford to have anyone prying open the eyes of American sheep and encouraging them to engage their brains.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   5:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

Our Jew controlled government

After reading these two pages (15-16) of Jewish published (poopaganda for their own Jewish soldiers) info, is it difficult to imagine that a (secret) deal was cut in the very beginning between Washington and the war profiteer Jews ??? (See last paragraph page 16) Haym Solomon, always portrayed as a "patriot" ... never been a Jew patriot to any cause other than Jewish causes, but there have been a ton of Jew spies, murderers and infiltraitors.

Who backed Haym Solomon and what was the pay-off ?

noone222  posted on  2007-05-17   5:18:52 ET  (3 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#9)

Jew and Zionist are completely different things. There's a big difference between being anti-fascist and anti-semitic. I have several Jewish friends who despise Bush and Israel as much as I do. Stick to verifiable facts; Jews do not run this country, nor are they all in some secret cabal aimed at (fill in the blank).

I don't know how many Jews you know, but they are as varied as any other cultural group. It has been an article of faith to support Israel among many of them; like them, I grew up just assuming Israel was a noble experiment. And like many of them, I am appalled at the way Israel has been behaving over the past two decades.

You really have to look at the situation more. There is nothing "Jewish" about fascism. Catholics, Protestants, Islam, and every other religion/culture have their fascist elements.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:06:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mekons4 (#27)

. Stick to verifiable facts; Jews do not run this country, nor are they all in some secret cabal aimed at (fill in the blank).

That is good in theory but in fact all one has to do look to see who runs the country.

Whitewashing here will not be accepted.

Nothing Jewish about fascism??? That is ludicrous, not even worth comment.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   21:21:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30)

Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president? Vice president? How many Jewish senators or congressmen are there?

Jews are over-represented in law, entertainment, medicine and finance. That is part of their culture, not some evidence that they run the country.

There is nothing particularly Jewish about fascism. Catholics (Italy, Argentina, El Salvador, Colombia), Protestants (Germany, South Africa), Atheists (USSR), Muslims (Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt) and any other religion you pick have an equal or far more impressive fascist history. Falwell and Robertson and Bush are good examples here.

Not worth comment? That indicates to me that you can't maintain an argument. Were Mussolini and Hitler and Stalin fascists or no? How many Jewish states have been fascist?

I dislike the Likudniks as much as the next guy, but they're far from the worst fascists ever. They just happen to be in charge of a particularly sensitive fascist state at the moment.

You're letting a larger political argument disappear because you, for some reason, dislike Jews. The majority are as anti-Bush and Zionism as I am. Dunno about you.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:34:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mekons4 (#31)

Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president? Vice president?

you're of the opinion that the president and vice president run things, Mekons. they're just puppets. who's the real power..er, money behind the throne?

this historical article is quite informative and provides the answer, imo. The Rothschilds, Winston Churchill and the "Final Solution"

christine  posted on  2007-05-17   21:47:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#34)

The idea that Jews run the world is silly. They're overachievers, sure, but so are Asians. Check out who the wealthiest people in the world are...virtually all Muslims or Christians. There are many high-profile wealthy and powerful Jews, but they hardly run the world. In this country, it's wealthy protestants who run things. Go down to Wall St., or check into the background of Jim Baker and virtually every other powerful politician.

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:55:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#39. To: Mekons4 (#36) (Edited)

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

Yep. The WASP Anglo-American establishment is a colossus that dominates this planet. Powerful Jews are used by them more than visa versa. Take Israel, for example. It is a creature of the Anglo-American establishment, which has exploited Jewish aspirations in order to establish a forward base of strategic and military operations in the Middle East. It's no accident that the move by Britain to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine coincided with the shift of the British Navy from coal to petroleum.

These bastards play everyone, Jews included.

Arator  posted on  2007-05-17 22:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mekons4 (#36)

LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.

Further..

In case you are interested, you might do a little history research on FDR, TR and John Wilson.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17 22:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Mekons4 (#36)

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. ... I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

A good read of history, on both sides of the spectrum, would prove both those statements to be wrong.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-05-17 22:14:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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