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Title: Ron Paul vs. Rudy “The Thug” Giuliani
Source: AntiWar.com
URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/05 ... aul-vs-rudy-the-thug-giuliani/
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2007-05-16 13:14:26 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 806
Comments: 74

In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!”

Of course he hasn’t heard it: he’s so busy pandering to the worst instincts of red-state fascists Republicans, calling for a national ID card, and drooling at the thought of torture that he has no time for a reality-based assessment of American foreign policy. That bullying would-be Mafia don, who looks and acts like someone out of “The Sopranos,” demanded that Ron Paul “withdraw his remarks and tell us he didn’t mean it.” Paul’s answer,

“I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.”  

 In effect: screw you, Rudy!

As even the dumbos over at http://FreeRepublic.com acknowledge, Rep. Paul is factually correct. Bin Laden’s fatwa gave his reasons for the attack, and the savaging of Iraq — pre-invasion — is front-and -center..

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#17. To: All (#11)

oh, I highly suspect that it has to do with George Washington promising them full equality in this land founded with a cross in 1607. [Ezekiel 34:11-13/John 10/Ezekiel 38-39] .............

Battle of the two eagles Ezekiel 17:1-10

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

sorry...forgot the first 'eagle'

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd019.html#4

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#3

'the way'....see also John 10 http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn010.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17   20:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#15)

There is a strong resemblance between the two.

Mussolini would have had this cross dressing freak sent to the catacombs long ago. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-17   20:07:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#17)

sorry All....

that was meant for noone.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17   20:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IndieTX (#2)

The "Log Cabin Republican }Gays{ candidate thug Giulliani is on the left boys and girls.

for real??? .....the things you don't learn on Jew TV.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17   20:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BTP Holdings (#18)

Mussolini would have had this cross dressing freak sent to the catacombs long ago. ;0)

Ever read about the sexual doings of Duce?????

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   20:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#21)

Ever read about the sexual doings of Duce?????

Yep. And he was a freak himself.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-17   20:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom, BTP Holdings (#15)

I've heard Mussolini shaved his head because it made him look younger.

Il Rude went him one better and has actual temper tantrums. I hear he'll come to next debate in his footie jammies. Let's hope there are plenty of wipes on hand as in the last debate.

"Be just and if you can't be just, be arbitrary." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-05-17   20:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#23)

Il Rude went him one better and has actual temper tantrums.

If you recall, Il Rude tried to stay on as Mayor after 9/11.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   20:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

Log Cabin Republican

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=52365&Disp=52#C52

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-17   20:26:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#23)

Il Duce was cute with or w/o hair on his head; but he didn't look so good hanging upside down.

It's not about having hair or not. See what I mean?

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-17   20:59:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#9)

Jew and Zionist are completely different things. There's a big difference between being anti-fascist and anti-semitic. I have several Jewish friends who despise Bush and Israel as much as I do. Stick to verifiable facts; Jews do not run this country, nor are they all in some secret cabal aimed at (fill in the blank).

I don't know how many Jews you know, but they are as varied as any other cultural group. It has been an article of faith to support Israel among many of them; like them, I grew up just assuming Israel was a noble experiment. And like many of them, I am appalled at the way Israel has been behaving over the past two decades.

You really have to look at the situation more. There is nothing "Jewish" about fascism. Catholics, Protestants, Islam, and every other religion/culture have their fascist elements.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: BTP Holdings (#25)

good grief. I wonder if Pat Robertson is still saying rampant homosexuality is the last stage before God judges a nation...shouldn't be long now.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17   21:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Brian S (#0)

As someone who lived in NYC during nearly all of the Giuliani administration, this guy has no hope. He won elections by appealing to the worst in human nature, and then he rubbed everyone's nose in his sleazy, adulterous behavior. Then he sued to evict his own family from the mayor's mansion, thereby notifying his wife and kids he wanted a divorce. He'd been screwing his mistress in a city-supplied apartment with the full knowledge of the NYC press corps, who somehow failed to report it, except the Village Voice, and was well-known to be a sleazebag. When he had his prostate removed, he was talking about Viagra and other cures to his impotence WHILE STILL MARRIED.

Then he ran his divorce case in the tabloids, attacking his wife and even his kids. Today, his children will not speak to him. They had a poll recently in NYC to ask if New Yorkers would vote for him. The anser was an overwhelming no, but they did say they would vote for his far more competent successor, Bloomberg.

I'll never forget Rudy demanding he get a few extra months to run NYC because ONLY HE knew all the 911 facts. This from an idiot who put his emergency HQ in the WTC, the most obvious target for terrorists worldwide.

Rudy is toast. I have no idea who will get to lose to the Dem candidate, but it will not be Rudolph, the lying pig.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:19:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mekons4 (#27)

. Stick to verifiable facts; Jews do not run this country, nor are they all in some secret cabal aimed at (fill in the blank).

That is good in theory but in fact all one has to do look to see who runs the country.

Whitewashing here will not be accepted.

Nothing Jewish about fascism??? That is ludicrous, not even worth comment.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   21:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30)

Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president? Vice president? How many Jewish senators or congressmen are there?

Jews are over-represented in law, entertainment, medicine and finance. That is part of their culture, not some evidence that they run the country.

There is nothing particularly Jewish about fascism. Catholics (Italy, Argentina, El Salvador, Colombia), Protestants (Germany, South Africa), Atheists (USSR), Muslims (Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt) and any other religion you pick have an equal or far more impressive fascist history. Falwell and Robertson and Bush are good examples here.

Not worth comment? That indicates to me that you can't maintain an argument. Were Mussolini and Hitler and Stalin fascists or no? How many Jewish states have been fascist?

I dislike the Likudniks as much as the next guy, but they're far from the worst fascists ever. They just happen to be in charge of a particularly sensitive fascist state at the moment.

You're letting a larger political argument disappear because you, for some reason, dislike Jews. The majority are as anti-Bush and Zionism as I am. Dunno about you.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mekons4 (#31)

Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president?

Johnson and before that Eisenhower...any more questions?????

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   21:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#32)

LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mekons4 (#31)

Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president? Vice president?

you're of the opinion that the president and vice president run things, Mekons. they're just puppets. who's the real power..er, money behind the throne?

this historical article is quite informative and provides the answer, imo. The Rothschilds, Winston Churchill and the "Final Solution"

christine  posted on  2007-05-17   21:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Mekons4 (#27)

Jew and Zionist are completely different things

covered here....

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/

Jews do not run this country,

covered here....

http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jews/jews_run_world.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17   21:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#34)

The idea that Jews run the world is silly. They're overachievers, sure, but so are Asians. Check out who the wealthiest people in the world are...virtually all Muslims or Christians. There are many high-profile wealthy and powerful Jews, but they hardly run the world. In this country, it's wealthy protestants who run things. Go down to Wall St., or check into the background of Jim Baker and virtually every other powerful politician.

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   21:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mekons4 (#33)

LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.

Mekon...

I will tolerate your lack of knowledge one more time....

Whatever you do, do not read a copy of Eisenhowers West Point Yearbook, you might be enlightened.

As for Johnson, his family pedigree is available on the net and may I suggest you avail yourself of veiewing it.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   21:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: All (#37)

LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.

Further..

In case you are interested, you might do a little history research on FDR, TR and John Wilson.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Mekons4 (#36) (Edited)

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

Yep. The WASP Anglo-American establishment is a colossus that dominates this planet. Powerful Jews are used by them more than visa versa. Take Israel, for example. It is a creature of the Anglo-American establishment, which has exploited Jewish aspirations in order to establish a forward base of strategic and military operations in the Middle East. It's no accident that the move by Britain to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine coincided with the shift of the British Navy from coal to petroleum.

These bastards play everyone, Jews included.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2007-05-17   22:02:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mekons4 (#36)

LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.

Further..

In case you are interested, you might do a little history research on FDR, TR and John Wilson.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#38)

Tolerate??? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The Roosevelts were DUTCH, from an old Dutch PROTESTANT family. Ike was a Kraut. Johnson was a mutt, but not in any way Jewish. Which Aryan Nation chapter do you belong to? This is so ignorant, I'm in shock.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   22:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mekons4 (#31)

How many Federal Reserve Chairmen have been Jewish? Coincidence?

"Be just and if you can't be just, be arbitrary." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-05-17   22:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Mekons4 (#41)

This is so ignorant, I'm in shock.

You should be. Displaying such an ignorant lack of history, it is appalling.

To show us how ignorant I am, why don't you post the picture of Ikes West Point yearbook here on this thread/????

If you don't we will all know who is ignorant, please post it.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Mekons4 (#36)

Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. ... I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.

A good read of history, on both sides of the spectrum, would prove both those statements to be wrong.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-05-17   22:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Cynicom (#43)

Why don't YOU post it? Your source is, of course, Stormfront.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   22:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Mekons4 (#41)

The Roosevelts were DUTCH, from an old Dutch PROTESTANT family.

Show us how learned you are in history. Tell us the REAL names for the following, Woodrow Wilson, Ted Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower...

Please print them all out here for us to read.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mekons4 (#45)

Your source is, of course, Stormfront.

Last time I checked, Eisenhower's year book was not known as "Stormfront". Check the book and publish Ike's REAL name.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-05-17   22:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mekons4 (#45) (Edited)

Why don't YOU post it? Your source is, of course, Stormfront.

You sound like Goldi now, all bluff, bluster and BS.

When your knowledge is shallow, attack, well that wont work with me.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Dakmar (#42)

Yeah, the Federal Reserve runs the country. There is no doubt that Jewish people have done well on Wall St., etc. Running the WORLD? Silly. Just silly.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   22:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom, Mekons4 (#30)

Nothing Jewish about fascism??? That is ludicrous, not even worth comment.

Vladimir Jabotinsky.

That Jewish and fascist enough?

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-17   22:26:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Mekons4 (#49)

Yeah, the Federal Reserve runs the country. There is no doubt that Jewish people have done well on Wall St., etc. Running the WORLD? Silly. Just silly.

Damn, your knowledge of history really IS hurting.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-05-17   22:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#48)

Snicker

No facts, just slurs.

Here, you'll love this support

http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-192149FDR_,_Churchill_,_Stalin_,_and_Eisenhower_-_Jewish_Supremacists.html

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   22:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Mekons4 (#52)

o facts, just slurs.

I hope you realize that everyone reading here sees just how uninformed, uneducated, and how racist you are.

You are not worth my time. Good night to you Sir.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#43)

I was curious:

Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name

christine  posted on  2007-05-17   22:32:06 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: christine (#54)

Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name

Christine...

Thank you for doing others work.

If you have time, someday check out the others. It is all there for anyone to read, anyone that values facts over propaganda.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#54)

Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name

Christine...

You might ping others that have shown interest pro or con.

I enjoy debate and discussion but when posters turn to personal attack, and drop civility, I leave.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   22:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#56)

Care to point out which schul he attended, and which synagogue? I notice that your sources claim he was black too. Just silly. I guess the claim that one drop of Jewish or black blood makes that person Jewish or black resonates with you.

Check out his actual bio, not just propaganda produced by hate groups.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-17   22:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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