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Title: Ron Paul vs. Rudy “The Thug” Giuliani
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URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/05 ... aul-vs-rudy-the-thug-giuliani/
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2007-05-16 13:14:26 by Brian S
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In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!” Of course he hasn’t heard it: he’s so busy pandering to the worst instincts of “I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.” In effect: screw you, Rudy! As even the dumbos over at http://FreeRepublic.com acknowledge, Rep. Paul is factually correct. Bin Laden’s fatwa gave his reasons for the attack, and the savaging of Iraq — pre-invasion — is front-and -center..
red-state fascists Republicans, calling for a national ID card, and drooling at the thought of torture that he has no time for a reality-based assessment of American foreign policy. That bullying would-be Mafia don, who looks and acts like someone out of “The Sopranos,” demanded that Ron Paul “withdraw his remarks and tell us he didn’t mean it.” Paul’s answer,
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#34. To: Mekons4 (#31)
you're of the opinion that the president and vice president run things, Mekons. they're just puppets. who's the real power..er, money behind the throne? this historical article is quite informative and provides the answer, imo. The Rothschilds, Winston Churchill and the "Final Solution"
covered here.... http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/ Jews do not run this country, covered here.... http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jews/jews_run_world.htm
The idea that Jews run the world is silly. They're overachievers, sure, but so are Asians. Check out who the wealthiest people in the world are...virtually all Muslims or Christians. There are many high-profile wealthy and powerful Jews, but they hardly run the world. In this country, it's wealthy protestants who run things. Go down to Wall St., or check into the background of Jim Baker and virtually every other powerful politician. Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.
Mekon... I will tolerate your lack of knowledge one more time.... Whatever you do, do not read a copy of Eisenhowers West Point Yearbook, you might be enlightened. As for Johnson, his family pedigree is available on the net and may I suggest you avail yourself of veiewing it.
Further.. In case you are interested, you might do a little history research on FDR, TR and John Wilson.
Yep. The WASP Anglo-American establishment is a colossus that dominates this planet. Powerful Jews are used by them more than visa versa. Take Israel, for example. It is a creature of the Anglo-American establishment, which has exploited Jewish aspirations in order to establish a forward base of strategic and military operations in the Middle East. It's no accident that the move by Britain to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine coincided with the shift of the British Navy from coal to petroleum. These bastards play everyone, Jews included.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Further.. In case you are interested, you might do a little history research on FDR, TR and John Wilson.
Tolerate??? HAHAHAHAHAHA! The Roosevelts were DUTCH, from an old Dutch PROTESTANT family. Ike was a Kraut. Johnson was a mutt, but not in any way Jewish. Which Aryan Nation chapter do you belong to? This is so ignorant, I'm in shock.
How many Federal Reserve Chairmen have been Jewish? Coincidence?
"Be just and if you can't be just, be arbitrary." - William S Burroughs
You should be. Displaying such an ignorant lack of history, it is appalling. To show us how ignorant I am, why don't you post the picture of Ikes West Point yearbook here on this thread/???? If you don't we will all know who is ignorant, please post it.
A good read of history, on both sides of the spectrum, would prove both those statements to be wrong.
Why don't YOU post it? Your source is, of course, Stormfront.
Show us how learned you are in history. Tell us the REAL names for the following, Woodrow Wilson, Ted Roosevelt. Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower... Please print them all out here for us to read.
Last time I checked, Eisenhower's year book was not known as "Stormfront". Check the book and publish Ike's REAL name.
You sound like Goldi now, all bluff, bluster and BS. When your knowledge is shallow, attack, well that wont work with me.
Yeah, the Federal Reserve runs the country. There is no doubt that Jewish people have done well on Wall St., etc. Running the WORLD? Silly. Just silly.
Vladimir Jabotinsky. That Jewish and fascist enough?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Damn, your knowledge of history really IS hurting.
No facts, just slurs. Here, you'll love this support
I hope you realize that everyone reading here sees just how uninformed, uneducated, and how racist you are. You are not worth my time. Good night to you Sir.
I was curious: Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name
Christine... Thank you for doing others work. If you have time, someday check out the others. It is all there for anyone to read, anyone that values facts over propaganda.
Christine... You might ping others that have shown interest pro or con. I enjoy debate and discussion but when posters turn to personal attack, and drop civility, I leave.
Care to point out which schul he attended, and which synagogue? I notice that your sources claim he was black too. Just silly. I guess the claim that one drop of Jewish or black blood makes that person Jewish or black resonates with you. Check out his actual bio, not just propaganda produced by hate groups.
A thousand year old surname makes him Jewish? Boy do some really stretch for this "Jew by DNA" shit. What is he, like 1/256th Jewish, if at all. Presidential genealogy is probably the most intensely studied genealogy in the world, and to think there is some cover-up of any ethnic heredity of a president within five generations is nonsense. And to to try to pin someone as Jewish more than 5 generations back is also nonsense.
DNA does not interest me. What beliefs/obsessions/faith/morality motivate the person? Now that's interesting.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
Oh piss off with your "civility" indignation crap. You're one of the most abrasive cheap shot pricks on the forum.
: "Dwight D. Eisenhower" article on http://Wikipedia.com website (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower; viewed 1 December 2005): Eisenhower's family originally belonged to the local River Brethren sect of the Mennonites. However, when Ike was five years old, his parents became followers of the WatchTower Society, whose members later took the name Jehovah's Witnesses. The Eisenhower home served as the local WatchTower meeting Hall from 1896 to 1915, when Eisenhower's father stopped regularly associating due to the WatchTower's failed prophesies that Armageddon would occur in October 1914 and 1915. Ike's father received a WatchTower funeral when he died in the 1940s. Ike's mother continued as an active Jehovah's Witness until her death. Ike and his brothers also stopped associating regularly after 1915. Ike enjoyed a close relationship with his mother throughout their lifetimes, and he even used a WatchTower printed Bible for his second Presidential Inauguration. In later years, Eisenhower was baptized, confirmed, and became a communicant in the Presbyterian church in a single ceremony on February 1, 1953, just weeks after his first inauguration as president. In his retirement years, he was a member of the Gettysburg Presbyterian Church in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. From: "Gettysburg Presbyterian Church" webpage on http://Gettysburg.com website (http://www.gettysburg.com/communit/gpc.htm; viewed 1 December 2005): The "Church of the Presidents", visited by Lincoln and joined by the Eisenhowers, invites you to visit and/or worship with us in our active and historic church located in downtown Gettysburg... Gettysburg Presbyterian Church began its work in 1740 in a log structure situated three miles west of town, at the present site known as Black's Graveyard. The congregation moved to the present location in 1842. The original building consisted only of a sanctuary. During and immediately following the Battle of Gettysburg, the church along with many other public buildings was converted into a temporary hospital... On February 1, 1963, President and Mrs. Dwight D. Eisenhower became members of the church. The pew President Eisenhower occupied was so marked with a plaque. The church also has an Eisenhower Lounge containing prints of paintings and memorabilia of the late President. The Gettysburg Presbyterian Church was selected for a special citation as American Presbyterian and Reformed Historical Site No. 94 and is registered by the Presbyterian Historical Society in Philadelphia. Source: Jerry Bergman, Ph.D (Northwest State College, Ohio). "Why President Eisenhower Hid His Jehovah's Witness Upbringing" in JW Research Journal, vol. 6, #2, July-Dec., 1999. URL: http://www.premier1.net/~raines/eisenhower.html See also: http://www.eisenhower.utexas.edu/listofholdingshtml/listofholdingsJ/jehovahwitnessesabilenecongregation.pdf Abstract: It is commonly reported even in authoritative works about President Eisenhower that he was raised as a River Brethren by parents that were active in the River Brethren church. In fact, Dwight D. Eisenhower was raised a Jehovah's Witness, a [group] commonly called Russellites or Bible Students until 1931. His mother was active in the [group] from 1895, when Dwight was five years old, until she died. Eisenhower's father was also an active member, although after 1915 he eventually no longer considered himself a Witness. All of the Eisenhower boys left the Jehovah's Witness religion when adults and openly opposed major aspects of Watchtower teaching, although some of the values they learned from their Bible studies probably influenced them throughout their lives. Some Watchtower values may even have been reflected in Dwight's statements against war made in his latter life. Nonetheless, the Eisenhower's endeavored to hide the full extent of their mother's and family's Watchtower involvement although they did at times admit their affiliation with them. The reasons why the Eisenhower boys took great pains to hide their early Watchtower associations are discussed.
Enough? Or does a cheap joke in a yearbook trump real history?
I got my answer. No wonder your knowledge of history is so limited. Anyone who has a true interest in history would NEVER resort to even reading wikipedia for FACT, let alone quote that source.
Odd, I've NEVER heard that Eisenhower's family were Jehovah's Witnesses. I wonder who would post such rubbish. BTW, there can be accurate info on Wiki.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Yup, Phant, Stormfront is a MUCH better source. Here, pick your source. There are thousands.... http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Eisenhower%2C+religion&btnG=Search
You might also want to check out the OTHER sources in that article, including the University of Texas. Oh, you didn't READ it, did you? And we all know Universities are part of the Jewish conspiracy, right? Snicker.
Well you got that part right, but then you LAUGH at yourself!
Wow. You really believe this crap, don't you?
Whitewashing here will not be accepted. Nothing Jewish about fascism??? That is ludicrous, not even worth comment. I'm with you ! The elitist murderers are chameleons that change their colors continually from Jesuit, to Jew, to Masonic politician ... all fascists !
RON PAUL or REVOLUTION
They change names, religions, politics and work BOTH sides of the street, so that no matter who wins any confrontation, they are with the winner.
you're of the opinion that the president and vice president run things, Mekons. they're just puppets. who's the real power..er, money behind the throne? this historical article is quite informative and provides the answer, imo. The Rothschilds, Winston Churchill and the "Final Solution" bookmarked. re: Eisenhower's yearbook. did you get it here.... http://judicial-inc.biz/Hopie_ike.htm more on his Jewish ancestry: "....Note: Remember the photo of Ike's West Point yearbook picture when he was dubbed "IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW"? By the way, he was next, or nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now. Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood to insure White racial integrity. Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of German men, women and children....." OPERATION KEELHAUL - Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans http://judicial-inc.biz/Hopie_ike_supplement.htm#Ida%20Elizabeth%20Stover All this, after THE JEWS DECLARED WAR - AGAINST Germany! NOT the Other Way Around! and those 'insurgents' got uppity, and tried to defend themselves, and others: http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jewsdeclarewar/jewsdeclarewar.htm In World War II, the JEWS Declared War AGAINST Germany – NOT the other way around, as we have been propagandized to believe! The three main leaders of the allies, U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and the leader of the U.S.S.R., Joseph Stalin, WERE ALL JEWISH! THEY, the JEWS, declared WAR AGAINST Germany! International Jewry DECLARED WAR AGAINST Germany and started a boycott of German goods – sabotaging Germany in the war effort. The Jews in Germany became enemies of the state and were placed in concentration camps to work in the factories to build war materials. England bombed Germany SIX times BEFORE Germany retaliated. Germany went into Russia for ONE Reason – to try to save the millions of Germans who had been living in the Ukraine for several hundreds of years, having been invited there by the Czar to farm the land. When the Communist, Jewish Bolshevists took over, they started killing and starving these Germans in the Ukraine. Germany went into Russia as a Rescue Mission. The same thing happened in Poland. The Leaders of the Allies (all Jews) reached an “agreement” to hand over part of Germany to Poland. Then the Jews running Poland, started killing the Germans who were now under their control. The Danzig corridor, the life-line between Germany and Poland, was closed off, prohibiting Germans from getting back to Germany. So the German Nation went on ANOTHER Rescue Mission into Poland in an attempt to SAVE the Germans living there. After U.S. President Roosevelt died, while in office, he was succeeded by President Harry S. (for Solomon) Truman, ALSO a Jew. He was responsible for bombing Nagasaki and Hiroshima with the Atomic Bomb AFTER Japan had already surrendered unconditionally! President Truman was followed by U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower, ALSO a Jew, who was responsible for ordering the torture and starvation - to death – of hundreds of thousands of innocent German citizens AFTER the war – AFTER Germany had surrendered unconditionally! WORLD WAR II WAS A WAR DECLARED BY THE JEWS – AGAINST GERMANY! Why did the Jews start a war against Germany? Because Germany was the ONLY remaining country in Western Europe that had not been conquered by the Jews! Germans were industrious, clean, organized, intelligent, and a strong Christian nation. For all those reasons – the Jews HATED the Germans! England had been taken over by the Jews 400 years BEFORE World War II, when the Jew, John Dee (the original 007), was the head of Security for Queen Elizabeth I and convinced her to form a partnership with the Jews (Non-Jewish Monarchs of Europe combined with International Jewry) for the conquering of the WORLD! And the Jews STILL run England, under the dictatorship (from behind the scenes) of the Rothschilds. This Banking family is Jewish (Their real name was Meyer) who control ALL the Central Banks (money supplies) of virtually ALL the countries in the world. The JEWS had taken over France BEFORE the French Revolution in 1789 and BRAG about it to this day, in their own literature. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was Jewish! Lenin was a Jew. Stalin was a Jew. Karl Marx (author of the Communist Manifesto) was a Jew. Leon Trotsky (real name - Bronstein) the head of the Red Army was a Jew, as were close to 80% of ALL the Bolshevists to murdered the Czar and his family and took over Russia by force. Italy was controlled by the Vatican. The Vatican, and entire Catholic Church has been controlled by the Jews (from behind the scenes) for several hundred years. The head of the Jesuits, known as the Black Pope, is Jewish – and controls the Visible Pope (the one seen by society) who does the Black Pope’s bidding. Pope John Paul II was Jewish. The present Pope, Joseph Ratzinger, is Jewish. The Jews invaded, and took over, the Catholic Church over time since the Inquisition, when the Catholic Church threatened death to Jews, and others, who would not convert to Catholicism. International Jewry told the rank and file Jews to pretend to convert, then get inside the Catholic church and eventually take it over. This they did! The ENTIRE WORLD has been propagandized to believe that the Germans declared war against the Jews and that the Jews were “victims.” But that is a lie! It was the JEWS who wanted to destroy Germany AND ALL Germans so they could control ALL of Europe – and DESTROY another Christian nation, something they unfortunately (for humanity) were able to accomplish AFTER World War II. The Jews NOW control the government of Germany COMPLETELY! http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jewsdeclarewar/jewsdeclarewar.jpg Jews Declare War Newspaper Clipping: http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jewsdeclarewar/jewsdeclarewar.jpg My grandmother was a saint, the finest person I ever knew. She fled Germany. One day , more than 30 years ago, she was talking to my mother about 'things', and she quietly said, 'It was the Jews.' Then she knew she had said too much, and she turned away; end of conversation. I was shocked. I knew what she meant, and I was of course in my brainwashed days, and could not fathom how this could have come from this kind, gentle soul who never did any harm to anyone. Now I know how easily it could have been her and her many brothers and sisters in one of those piles of bodies, not to mention how easily it may be all of us. Judaic Communism: The Documentary Record The top Communist Judaic official Zinoviev stated: "Without mercy, without sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be thousands; ... http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html Foreign Press Foundation Ex-KGB and STASI Chiefs To Work Under Chertoff Foreign Press Foundation ... General Yevgeni Primakov, as well as Markus Wolfe, the ex-boss of the ''STASI'',.... http://www.rense.com/general61/work.htm ZIONISM'S MASTER PLAN FOR WORLD POWER http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/zionisms_master_plan.htm ============================================= JEWISH PRESIDENTS AND VICE PRESIDENTS [this is only a partial list...there are more] http://christianparty.net/wm/wm0250a.html Christian America is the New Israel; the Jews are Magog, Ezekiel 38-39: the Thirteenth Tribe. The Khazars Kingdom, Gog and Magog, Jewish Khazars Some hold that Gog and Magog are the Khazars. ... Arthur Koestler, author of The Thirteenth Tribe, easily the most expansive single work on the subject, ... http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/khazars.html They cannot succeed, unles CHRISTIAN America fails: ......"Many countries, including the United States have already fallen for our scheming. But the Christian Church is still alive . . . We must destroy it without the least delay and without the slightest mercy. Most of the Press in the world is under our Control; let us therefore encourage in a still more violent way the hatred of the world against the Christian Church. Let us intensify our activities in poisoning the morality of the Gentiles. Let us spread the spirit of revolution in the minds of the people. They must be made to despise Patriotism and the love of their family, to consider their faith as a humbug, their obedience to their Christ as a degrading servility, so that they become deaf to the appeal of the Church and blind to her warnings against us. Let us, above all, make it impossible for Christians to be reunited, or for non-Christians to join the Church; otherwise the greatest obstruction to our domination will be strengthened and all our work undone. Our plot will be unveiled, the Gentiles will turn against us, in the spirit of revenge, and our domination over them will never be realized. Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Christian Church, we may hope to become Master of the World . . . And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown . . . " (London Catholic Gazette, February, 1936; and in Paris Le Reveil du Peuple). luther.htm" THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm and therein lies their achilles heel.
I believe what I am able to confirm. You might do some more reading yourself ... http://www.biblebelievers.or g.au/clilist.htm http://www.churcho ftrueisrael.com/identity/jewsrd.html http://www.biblebelievers.o rg.au/bushlist.htm
In World War II, the JEWS Declared War AGAINST Germany – NOT the other way around, as we have been propagandized to believe! The three main leaders of the allies, U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and the leader of the U.S.S.R., Joseph Stalin, WERE ALL JEWISH! THEY, the JEWS, declared WAR AGAINST Germany! International Jewry DECLARED WAR AGAINST Germany and started a boycott of German goods – sabotaging Germany in the war effort. The Jews in Germany became enemies of the state and were placed in concentration camps to work in the factories to build war materials. England bombed Germany SIX times BEFORE Germany retaliated. very interesting.
yes it is very interesting....and it shows what a complete grip our ancient enemy has on this country...how many knew it? reading back over the article, i caught something i missed before: England had been taken over by the Jews 400 years BEFORE World War II, when the Jew, John Dee (the original 007), was the head of Security for Queen Elizabeth I and convinced her to form a partnership with the Jews (Non-Jewish Monarchs of Europe combined with International Jewry) for the conquering of the WORLD! i think i may have possibly found the link between Edom ["...is in modern Jewry"] and the [traitorous] Tribe of Dan [ http://www.watch.pair.com/dan.html ], that has eluded me for so long.
Now you're getting silly. Who was the last Jewish president? Vice president?
#35. To: Mekons4 (#27)
Jew and Zionist are completely different things
#36. To: christine (#34)
#37. To: Mekons4 (#33)
LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.
#38. To: All (#37)
LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.
#39. To: Mekons4 (#36)
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Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. Here, it's the old money protestants and the new money oil and pharmaceutical and other big business protestants who run things. I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.
#40. To: Mekons4 (#36)
LBJ and Ike were JEWS? Man, you really need to get a high school education.
#41. To: Cynicom (#38)
#42. To: Mekons4 (#31)
#43. To: Mekons4 (#41)
This is so ignorant, I'm in shock.
#44. To: Mekons4 (#36)
Blaming it on the Jews is simplistic. ... I've been a business writer for 25 years; the top guys are almost always protestants.
#45. To: Cynicom (#43)
#46. To: Mekons4 (#41)
The Roosevelts were DUTCH, from an old Dutch PROTESTANT family.
#47. To: Mekons4 (#45)
Your source is, of course, Stormfront.
#48. To: Mekons4 (#45)
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Why don't YOU post it? Your source is, of course, Stormfront.
#49. To: Dakmar (#42)
#50. To: Cynicom, Mekons4 (#30)
Nothing Jewish about fascism??? That is ludicrous, not even worth comment.
#51. To: Mekons4 (#49)
Yeah, the Federal Reserve runs the country. There is no doubt that Jewish people have done well on Wall St., etc. Running the WORLD? Silly. Just silly.
#52. To: Cynicom (#48)
Snicker
#53. To: Mekons4 (#52)
o facts, just slurs.
#54. To: Cynicom (#43)
#55. To: christine (#54)
Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name
#56. To: christine (#54)
Eisenhower Is A derivative Of Eisenhauer A Jewish Name
#57. To: Cynicom (#56)
#58. To: christine, Mekons4 (#54)
#59. To: SmokinOPs, Mekons4, Cynicom, christine (#58)
#60. To: Cynicom (#56)
I enjoy debate and discussion but when posters turn to personal attack, and drop civility, I leave.
#61. To: All (#57)
#62. To: All (#61)
#63. To: Mekons4 (#61)
"Dwight D. Eisenhower" article on http://Wikipedia.com website (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower; viewed 1 December 2005):
#64. To: Phant2000 (#63)
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http://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower;
#65. To: Phant2000 (#63)
#66. To: Phant2000 (#63)
#67. To: Mekons4 (#66)
... we all know Universities are part of the Jewish conspiracy, right?
#68. To: Phant2000 (#67)
#69. To: Cynicom (#30)
That is good in theory but in fact all one has to do look to see who runs the country.
#70. To: noone222 (#69)
The elitist murderers are chameleons that change their colors continually from Jesuit, to Jew, to Masonic politician ... all fascists !
#71. To: christine, Mekons4, noone222, (#34)
#72. To: Mekons4 (#68)
You really believe this crap, don't you?
#73. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#71)
#74. To: christine (#73)
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