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Title: Ron Paul vs. Rudy “The Thug” Giuliani
Source: AntiWar.com
URL Source: http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/05 ... aul-vs-rudy-the-thug-giuliani/
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2007-05-16 13:14:26 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 791
Comments: 74

In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!”

Of course he hasn’t heard it: he’s so busy pandering to the worst instincts of red-state fascists Republicans, calling for a national ID card, and drooling at the thought of torture that he has no time for a reality-based assessment of American foreign policy. That bullying would-be Mafia don, who looks and acts like someone out of “The Sopranos,” demanded that Ron Paul “withdraw his remarks and tell us he didn’t mean it.” Paul’s answer,

“I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.”  

 In effect: screw you, Rudy!

As even the dumbos over at http://FreeRepublic.com acknowledge, Rep. Paul is factually correct. Bin Laden’s fatwa gave his reasons for the attack, and the savaging of Iraq — pre-invasion — is front-and -center..

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#4. To: Brian S (#0)

In response to Ron Paul’s reasonable and informed contention that our interventionist foreign policy created the “blowback” that gave rise to Al Qaeda, and 9/11, Rudy Giuliani burbled “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that!

Rude Giuliani has never heard of or read what Gen. Smedley Butler testified to Congress about, "American intervention".

Paul needs to read some of Butlers words to the MSM who also are ignorant by choice.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   4:37:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

The recent debate and flare-up between Jew-Liani and Ron Paul has caused the pussies in the MSM like Beck, Hannity, Blitzer, Shill I'sraeli and others to foam at the mouth. Each is vying for a chance to bring Paul down, hoping to get a pat on the head from their globalist masters ... but the facts are on Ron Paul's side ... not that these whores recognize any value in truth or facts.

noone222  posted on  2007-05-17   4:45:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#5) (Edited)

If Ron Paul cannot be trashed by the Zionist attack dogs before the upcoming presidential election, he will suffer a fatal accident.

Zoroaster  posted on  2007-05-17   4:59:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zoroaster (#7)

If Ron Paul cannot be trashed by the Zionist attack dogs before the upcoming presidential election, he will suffer a fatal accident.

Our Jew controlled government cannot afford to have anyone prying open the eyes of American sheep and encouraging them to engage their brains.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17   5:03:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

Our Jew controlled government

After reading these two pages (15-16) of Jewish published (poopaganda for their own Jewish soldiers) info, is it difficult to imagine that a (secret) deal was cut in the very beginning between Washington and the war profiteer Jews ??? (See last paragraph page 16) Haym Solomon, always portrayed as a "patriot" ... never been a Jew patriot to any cause other than Jewish causes, but there have been a ton of Jew spies, murderers and infiltraitors.

Who backed Haym Solomon and what was the pay-off ?

noone222  posted on  2007-05-17   5:18:52 ET  (3 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#11. To: noone222 (#9)

After reading these two pages (15-16) of Jewish published (poopaganda for their own Jewish soldiers) info, is it difficult to imagine that a (secret) deal was cut in the very beginning between Washington and the war profiteer Jews ??? (See last paragraph page 16) Haym Solomon, always portrayed as a "patriot" ... never been a Jew patriot to any cause other than Jewish causes, but there have been a ton of Jew spies, murderers and infiltraitors.

Who backed Haym Solomon and what was the pay-off ?

oh, I highly suspect that it has to do with George Washington promising them full equality in this land founded with a cross in 1607. [Ezekiel 34:11-13/John 10/Ezekiel 38-39]

"....In America, many of the colonies limited political offices to members of the Church of England, or other denominations. After the Revolution against Britain, very few people wanted their tax dollars to pay the salaries of the clergy for the Church of England (no surprise). But which denomination would be supported by taxes and oaths? The colonists decided to eliminate taxes and oaths which favored any particular denomination. Before the Constitution was written, every state had eliminated the requirement that public office holders be members of a particular denomination. The Revolution (not the First Amendment) effectively marked the end of test oaths and "established churches."

But every state still required that politicians believe in God. Atheists could not take an oath of any kind. An oath was a declaration of belief in God. That's what an oath is: The oath taker declares that he believes in God and that he is fully aware that God will judge him if what he says is false or if what he promises is not fulfilled.

At the time the Constitution was ratified, these two points were universally understood:

* An oath could be taken only by someone who believed in God.

* An oath of office could be taken by anyone who believed in God, regardless of denominational affiliation. In short, no other "religious test" would be required.

Both before and after the Constitution was ratified, the states required candidates to be Biblically qualified to take the oath of office. They were not required to affirm their membership in a particular denomination, but they were required to swear that they were Christians. **** If you were not a Christian, you could not hold office.

As an example, see the Delaware Constitution, Art. 22 (adopted Sept. 20, 1776):

Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust . . . shall . . . make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit: "I ________, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, Blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scripture of the Old and New Testaments to be given by divine inspiration."[2]

***** All states required Christian belief before the American Revolution. There was no other "religious test."

***** The U.S. Constitution banned "religious tests." Article VI, para. 3 reads:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

At this point in time, the requirement of "an oath" was a requirement of an act of religious worship, a solemn declaration made in the presence of God. (The option to "affirm" rather than "swear" was included for the benefit of Quakers, who would not take an oath, but did believe in God.) The debates in the state ratifying conventions indicate that many Ratifiers understood the paragraph to be speaking of what might be called a "denominational" test. That is, no one would be required to be a member of a particular church/denomination. They assumed office-holders would be Christian. After drafting the Constitution, the Signers returned to their home states and drafted state constitutions which limited public office to Christians. In their minds, the Constitution did not change anything, but merely protected what already existed......"

http://members.aol.com/TestOath/WhatIs.htm

now read :

"George Washington's lasting gift to generations of Jews ...

By Christa Case | Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor

NEWPORT, R.I. – In most of Colonial-era New England, it would have been about as hard to find a Jewish family as a grove of palm trees. But when George Washington visited Newport, R.I., in August 1790, the president found not just one Jewish family, but a Hebrew congregation with its own synagogue. They offered him a warm welcome to their community through a letter written by the leader of their congregation, Moses Sexias.

Four days later, Washington penned a cordial response, assuring them they could enjoy full citizenship in the new United States of America- welcome news to a community whose ancestors had been expelled from the Iberian Peninsula during the Spanish Inquisition.

Today, Jews still worship at the Touro Synagogue in Newport, and every August they - along with other supporters of religious freedom - file into the 18th-century Georgian building to read Washington's letter and to reflect on his words once again.

"It is now no more that toleration is spoken of," Washington wrote, "as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." He also declared that the government gave "to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."

After centuries of persecution in Europe, Jews welcomed Washington's message of equality, which set the stage for the US to become home to the largest, most prosperous Jewish community in the world.

Washington's outreach to Jews was revolutionary, notes David Logan, dean of Roger Williams University's law school. America's Founding Fathers were unique in the world when they wrote freedom of religion into the laws of the new country, he says. "It's that pluralism and heterogeneity that make [America] a remarkable place."

In the spirit of that pluralism, this year's letter-reading event was officiated and attended by people of a variety of faiths.

The Rev. John Holt, a Methodist and executive minister for the interfaith Rhode Island Council of Churches, noted that the Touro Synagogue, dedicated in 1763 and the oldest surviving synagogue in the country, is "not a relic; it's a symbol of continuing religious tolerance."

**** It was America's religious freedom that allowed Jews eventually to be appointed to the highest bench in the country, said US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the keynote speaker. [and to the office of the Presidency]

But she also referred to "the persecution Jews have endured throughout history." She contrasted her experience on the bench with that of Louis Brandeis, the first Jew to become a member of the Supreme Court. He graduated from Harvard Law School in 1876 at the age of 20 with the highest scholastic average in the history of the school. Despite his qualifications, he faced open anti-Semitism among his colleagues, one of whom refused to stand next to him for a Supreme Court photo.

In contrast, Justice Ginsburg said, she and her coreligionist, Justice Stephen Breyer, faced no such opposition.

Eliot Barron of West Hartford, Conn., seated in the synagogue's balcony, nodded emphatically at Ginsburg's remarks about Jews' persecution, almost sending his yarmulke flying into the crowd below.

To Dr. Barron and his wife, Vida, both of whose parents immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe, the occasion was a meaningful reminder of the refuge America provided their relatives and fellow Jews. [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Ch/2Ch020.html#11 /

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_noachide_judge_and_courts_will_replace_ours.html ]

Logan, too, can bear witness to that. His father was a Sorbonne-educated lawyer from the Czech Republic who escaped the Nazis by working as a clown's assistant. He later fled to the US, where he worked as a busboy.

Logan credits the social mobility of Jewish immigrants such as his father to the religious freedom guaranteed by the American government. "There were definitely individuals, even powerful individuals, who behaved in an intolerant way," he said. "There remain intolerant individuals. [In the US,] someone has the right to be intolerant, but they can't have the government help them.""

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0915/p12s01-lire.html

Haym Solomon was a Rothschild agent:

"....American and British Intelligence have documented evidence that the House of Rothschild, and other International Bankers, have financed both sides of every war, since the American Revolution. Financier Haym Salomon, who supported the patriots during the American Revolution, then later made loans to James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe, was a Rothschild agent....."

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/house_of_rothschild_final_warnin.htm

".....The sire of the family, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, established a small business as a coin dealer in Frankfurt in 1743. Although previously known as Bauer*, he advertised his profession by putting up a sign depicting an eagle on a red shield, an adaptation of the coat of arms of the City of Frankfurt, to which he added five golden arrows extending from the talons, signifying his five sons......"

CHAPTER FIVE The House of Rothschild [SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE By Eustace Mullins] http://www.whale.to/b/m_ch5.html

Battle of the two eagles Ezekiel 17:1-10

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17 19:33:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#9)

Re: "Bush"

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Num/Num033.html#55

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Num/33/55.html

Search "BUSH" in Strong's concordance at BLB. "Thorns" and "pricks" comes to mind.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-17 19:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#9)

and the war profiteer Jews ???

If you check history, Karl Marx had his spies in the Union Army and he openly was a supporter of Lincoln,

When Grant tried to ban the Jew cotton smugglers from his area of command, the NYC Jews went right to Lincoln and had Grants order contermanded.

Money talks...etc etc

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-17 19:48:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#9)

Jew and Zionist are completely different things. There's a big difference between being anti-fascist and anti-semitic. I have several Jewish friends who despise Bush and Israel as much as I do. Stick to verifiable facts; Jews do not run this country, nor are they all in some secret cabal aimed at (fill in the blank).

I don't know how many Jews you know, but they are as varied as any other cultural group. It has been an article of faith to support Israel among many of them; like them, I grew up just assuming Israel was a noble experiment. And like many of them, I am appalled at the way Israel has been behaving over the past two decades.

You really have to look at the situation more. There is nothing "Jewish" about fascism. Catholics, Protestants, Islam, and every other religion/culture have their fascist elements.

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