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Title: Bill targeting anti-war T-shirt goes to governor
Source: Capitol Media Services
URL Source: http://www.azdailysun.com/articles/ ... ws/20070515_front%20page_2.txt
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: HOWARD FISCHER
Post Date: 2007-05-16 13:38:02 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 165
Comments: 6

PHOENIX -- State lawmakers voted Monday to enact new laws designed to stop the sale of anti-war T-shirts with the names of dead soldiers -- a measure a veteran media lawyer says is "unconstitutional about three or four different ways."

On a 28-0 margin, the Senate agreed to make it punishable by up to a year in jail to use the names of deceased soldiers to help sell goods. The measure, SB 1014, also would let families go to court to stop the sales and collect damages.

Dan Frazier, a Flagstaff businessman who is selling the T-shirts that have caused all the fuss, told Capitol Media Services he doesn't intend to halt the sale of the $20 shirts even if Gov. Janet Napolitano signs the measure. He said it's an illegal infringement on his First Amendment rights.

Rep. Jonathan Paton, R-Tucson, a backer of the measure, doesn't see it that way. He said because Frazier is selling his shirts for a profit means it is not constitutionally protected political speech.

But attorney Dan Barr said the question of whether someone makes money is legally irrelevant.

"The fact that these people died in Iraq is nothing more than a fact," Barr said. And he said listing their names on a T-shirt -- whether sold or given away -- doesn't change that.

The shirts at issue feature the words "Bush Lied/They Died" superimposed over the names of more than 3,000 soldiers who have died since the U.S. invaded Iraq. Frazier has since come up with some variants, including one that says on one side "Support our Remaining Troops," with "Bring the Rest Home Alive" on the other.

Paton said anyone is free to put all those names on a placard and hold it up in the town square.

"It's about you selling or profiting off those soldiers' names the way somebody would off of (pop singer) Britney Spears," he said.

"I really don't see it as trading on the names (of the soldiers) the same way somebody selling a Celine Dion T-shirt is trading on her name," said Frazier. And Barr said the T-shirts at issue do not show a single identifiable soldier, like Pat Tillman, where someone might buy the shirt solely because it features the photo of the former Arizona Cardinals safety.

"The names of all these people are public record," Barr said. "It's not like they're taking something that isn't in the public domain already."

Paton said the law is legally defensible, noting there are exceptions for news reports and even in books, plays, music as well as film or videos as long as these items, by themselves, are not selling anything else.

But Barr said that just proves how flawed the language is.

"Books and plays are done to make money," he said. And Barr said that the measure puts the government in the position of deciding things like what is "an original work of fine art," something the courts have said is impermissible.

Frazier said it will take a court order to stop him from selling the shirts. But he said he hopes it doesn't come to that.

"It's just a hassle for me if I've got to fight this sort of stuff in court," he said.

And Frazier said he is hoping Napolitano vetoes the measure.

Gubernatorial press aide Jeanine L'Ecuyer said the governor will not comment on the bill until she sees it. But a veto would be the only negative vote against it: It cleared both the House and Senate without dissent.

Frazier said all the publicity about the legislation has had one positive effect. "It always boosts my sales of my shirts," he said.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike, aristeides, Mekons4, Red Jones (#0)

No one is allowed to know or remember who died in this conflict. There are nothing but names on the Vietnam Memorial.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-16   13:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#1)

my guess is that the governor will sign the bill. She (Janet Napolitano) was appointed to be a US Attorney in 1993 by Bill Clinton. IMHO she is a loyal servant of the New World Order. She'll clamp down on free speech - no problem. and the democrat voters in this state will always back her because she's a democrat and they'll do ANYTHING to keep Republicans out. This is not to say that the Republican leaders in this state are not also loyal servants of the NWO and that the Republican voters likewise won't vote for those Republicans always no matter what because they also will do ANYTHING to keep a democrat out of power.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-05-16   13:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#1)

What is really dumb is you need a magnifying glass to read the names in the background og this shirt's design.

During Vietnam, I wore a steel wrist band with the name of a POW on it. I guess according to this law I was an assessory to a crime by doing so. How sad that in this country you are expected to die silently and nameless in the chore of being a whore for Halliburton in Traq.

Neocons can rub people out to further their hegemony globally, but woe to anyone who dares cast the light of day on what they do, and whom they destroy in the process.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-16   13:59:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

How sad that in this country you are expected to die silently and nameless in the chore of being a whore for Halliburton

And your family will be called names if they protest.

Neocons can rub people out to further their hegemony globally, but woe to anyone who dares cast the light of day on what they do, and whom they destroy in the process.

Evil hates the light.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-16   14:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Ah, lovely Ari(not a free speech)zone-a.

Where I was born.

Laws are like spiderwebs; they hold the weak and delicate who are caught in their meshes, but are torn apart by the rich and powerful.-Anacharsis.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-05-16   17:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

Neocons can rub people out to further their hegemony globally, but woe to anyone who dares cast the light of day on what they do, and whom they destroy in the process.

They hate us because we're free.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-05-16   20:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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