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Title: Is BeAChooser the new disrupter named 'pinfish' ar LP?
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=187542&Disp=16#C16
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Mike McCarthy
Post Date: 2007-05-16 23:07:07 by Ferret Mike
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Title: Ron Paul Is A Fool Ron Paul said something entirely foolish last night. It should be enough to remove him from all consideration as a candidate for the presidency. Here is what Paul said about 9/11. They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years… Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. They are delighted that we’re over there because — Osama bin Laden has said ‘I’m glad you’re over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.’ They have already now, since that time they’ve killed 3,400 of our men and I don’t think it was necessary. Never mind Paul’s argument from ‘moral equivalence’ that likens American base building to Chinese base building—both nations act exactly the same upon the world stage, don’t you know? Never mind his using a quote from bin-Laden to bolster his case. The man has no idea of the issues involved in the Middle East, is entirely ignorant of its history and should never be trusted with the responsibilities of commander-in-chief. Paul’s response concerning 9/11 is suited to Michael Moore, not to any rational being. He blames his own nation for 9/11. This is the kook argument, castigating the US for all the evils of the world. A very quick history lesson is in order. As Doctor Johnson said, we need to be reminded more than instructed. Islam is an imperialist religion. It makes no secret of this and indeed it boasts about this. The Islamic lands around the Mediterranean were once Christian and were taken by Islam in a series of unprovoked wars from AD 630-732. All except the tiny redoubt of Israel remain Islamic still. The United States had her first contact with Islam in a wars with the Barbary Pirates (1801-05, 1815). Islam attacked our ships, took hostages, demanded tribute and beheaded prisoners. Sound familiar? In other words, before Iraq, before US support of Israel, before any US involvement in the Middle East, Islam was attacking us. It attacks us still. All of this is basic 8th grade US History. Did Paul not pass that year? Ron Paul would be a Republican president, yet he does not know the basic facts about why his own nation fights. He should not be allowed anywhere near the White House. (Captain Ed comments on Ron Paul.) But the Buffoon Of The Year award goes to Ron Paul. His contention that America deserved the 9/11 attack should end his political career. Hopefully it will convince the next forum to exclude him from the proceedings. Paul made everyone else look tolerable, and had most of us yearning for a vaudeville hook.
Poster Comment: There is a new kid in town at elpee. His style and interests strangely mirror that of our resident disruptor BeAChooser. He just signed up and this would make sense seeing how little wiggle room and how unpleasent it has gotten here for BAC. Take a look at the short searh of 'pinfish' and judge for yourself. http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi?SNSearch=1&Fm=pinfish&To=&LPNum=2&
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Published: May 16, 2007
Author: >http://mikeaustin.org
Post Date: 2007-05-16 21:13:54 by pinfish
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#3. To: Ferret Mike, christine, skydrifter, BeALooser (#0)
Fits BAC perfectly. Which means we have done such a good job ignoring him, he has hopefully moved to more fertile ground. Unfortunately, even though we've bozod him, he will use this 4UM to SPAM [read: advertise] his Log Cabin Rep zionist schpeil for any lurkers here, using 4UM bandwidth to get his message out to anyone who reads, regardless of how many ignore him. He should be banned and forced to get his own website and bandwidth for his Bravo Sierra. He is not interested in conversing issues in a genuine manner. He is a spammer.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition I thought about this speculation and did a serch of CofS's posts, and personally, I feel strongly this person much more resembles BAC.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
You mean this Log Cabin sweetheart? Law Enforcement Against Prohibition BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Let us hope so. It shall spend less time here on this forum if correct! "Keep hope alive"...
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Agreed, whole heartedly. It is time for this one to move on. He partakes in nothing constructive here, and I am confident he will be even more transparent as time passes with perhaps a half hearted masking attempt in the wake of my thread. I have never ever seen a returning bannee that did not return to most of the same activities that compremised their previous nick. Though this time this returning bannee is so transparent from the get go, it is highly possible he will be kicked sooner then later. The question then will be, is BAC's ego and hubris so large he tries again and again.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Yup. Got that one pegged. He's perhaps a world class conehead, but that is about it.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Yup. Got that one pegged. He's perhaps a world class conehead, but that is about it. Notice the large hook echo [tornadic] signature on the doppler reflectivity display just to the SW of the radar site. [The radar site looks black and like the eye of a hurricane. This is the radar cone of silence, the area it can not "see" because it's too close to the radar site.] The next view, we see BAC, as he moves about in his own cone along with his fellow "Log Cabin" replicRats. BAC is the one with his tongue chasing the other guy's a&&: photo credit Log Cabin republican shake and bake campout Law Enforcement Against Prohibition pinfish posted on 2007-05-15 14:22:17 ET Here is a post BAC did as pinfish at LP complete with it's link. Wouldn't be a kick if this little turd brained idiot is Gannon or an associate of his? It Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Organizers put out 600 folding chairs on the lawn — the spot where presidents are inaugurated — and set up a huge stage with powerful amplifiers. But at 9:30 a.m. yesterday, not one of the 600 seats was occupied. By 11 a.m., as a woman read a passage from Revelations, attendance had grown — to four people. Finally, at 1 p.m., 37 of the 600 seats were occupied, though many of those people were tourists eating lunch. Where was everybody? “This isn’t that kind of event,” explained Jeff Gannon, spokesman for the host, the International Bible Reading Association. Gannon, actually a pseudonym for James Guckert, had earned fame in 2005 representing a conservative Web site at White House briefings until it was revealed that he posted nude pictures of himself on the Web to offer his services as a $200-an-hour gay escort. Let us pray for the power to understand how Gannon made his way from HotMilitaryStud. com to the International Bible Reading Association. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/04/jeff-gannons-bible-reading-marathon/ Interesting, isn't it? pinfish coyly links to Gannon's webpage and delves into Biblical posts as pinfish. Something Gannon was into as we see in the above quote where he was involved in a ‘Bible Reading Marathon’ on the West Front of the Capitol.” Something is very strange about BeAChooser, and pinfish. And if pinfish is BAC and posts Gannon's webpage and varies slightly from an infactuation with 9-11 to delve into the Bible, something Gannon is into, he likely does so because he is egotistically trying to count coupe on everyone he feels slights him here and whom he feels he is the intellectual superior to. Unfortunately for him, he is far more transparent then he realizes. Gannon alwayd coyly talks about hiding from liberals in plain view. Is this guy him? He might be, he sure acts like he tinks he is a jounalist the way he cuts and pastes a product together in his overlong posts that have the sort of muddledness of over-reaching one's intellectual and educational abilities Gannon was/is always guilty of. Seriously, this person needs to find a new home and to get quality psychological counseling. He is here just playing games and stroking his ego, and you really have to stretch it to contend that by keeping him here you are serving the cause of free speech. Ditch him.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Better than even money you're correct. The conehead with the tongue...slight resemblance? We don't need any gay hookers here. Why can't she post here? ;-O)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Definitely a candidate for a wild swipe. ;0)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
No, we don't need this sort of neocon in here. I knew he'd high tail it back to LP with the Truth Movement banished to the Biker Bar. The place is more his sort of dump as Trailer Trash Sally whores her forum as an open to all view points venue. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Just for the record, I'm not pinfish. I'll say once again, since you seem to have missed my declarations of this in the past (and seem now desperate to change the subject from WTC7, the collapse of the towers and the damage at the Pentagon), that I have never posted on ANY forum as anyone other than BeAChooser. That said, I am curious about something. The two of you ... Ferret Mike and IndieTx ... have insinuated I'm gay. Now, of course, you have no actual basis for suggesting I'm gay. Nowhere in my posting history have I taken much interest in gay issues. Nowhere have I said I'm gay or anything that might suggest I'm gay. You actually know nothing about me since I've been careful not to reveal much of anything about myself on any internet forum. I think for good reason given that they are populated with folks like you. So I find the fact that you (and a few others here at LP) immediately toss out the gay innuendos in your posts, as if you think that will discredit me, quite fascinating. I think we are actually learning more about YOU than me. I think both of you appear to be homophobic. I'm now curious as to what led you to that state. Is there something in your history ... an incident? Or is this attitude something your parents instilled in you? In which case, why did they hate gays so much? Has your God told you this? Do you think gays are inferior as a group (and as individuals) compared to you (and your *kind*)? Are they a corruption ... a blight ... a scourge on the human race? Do you think they should be punished for being gay? If so, how? Should they be rounded up and put in camps? Should they be chemically altered so they are more *normal*? Should they be prevented from voting or being elected to office? Should they be only allowed in the back of the bus or put on separate buses? Aren't you afraid that you might touch something that they've touched? Drink from the same water fountain? Breath the same air? Do you view lesbians the same as gays? Should they ALL be exterminated? Seriously "guys", what is it you have against gays that you'd call someone, when you really know nothing about them, gay ... as if that's a REALLY bad thing? Something beneath contempt. The worst insult you can think of. So why don't you tell us your reasons for thinking that gays are soooooo bad? Because now I'm curious. And since you obviously don't want to talk about WTC7, the collapse of the towers or the damage at the Pentagon any more (ROTFLOL!), this is as good a topic as any.
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I have always very consistently stood up for gay rights. I support the new law in Oregon protecting homosexuals from bigotry. I am frosted by people like Bush who work to oppress gays and lesbians, but invite their male prostitutes into the White House so they can have the cake and eat it too. I dpon't like prostitution and hypocritical closet dwellers like Bush and Mark Foley. If you are gay, more power to you. If you are a prostitute and hypocritical about your gender preference, shame on you. Now as far as the thread's speculation, that is what it is. I have the opinion that you are most likely pinfish, but I've been wrong before. So it goes. And finally in regards to 9-11, if you would stop spamming so unnessesarily and answer my posts on the points I inquire regarding, I'd certainly be happy to discuss it with you. But as it stands, the way you post makes the process of dialog with you very difficult to do. And my opinion is you do this by design. If you want to return to that topic, I'd be happy to. But I have no desire to be hit with mega posts of material that can be linked to instead. I am reacting to how anti-social and hard to deal with you are. The ball is in your court, just let me know how agreeable in responding positively to my feedback you are and we'll go from there.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Writing style and tone is different, it's not him.
Ferret? Homophobic? OMG...ROTFLMAO!!!
This disrupting fool needs a shorter leash. 5 posts a day, 25 words a post.
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
Such a claim is inconsistent with making "gay" your preferred adhominem on the 4um against someone who you know nothing about and who just disagrees with you on a number of issues that have nothing to do with homosexuality. As I just got done telling another homophobe, I have espoused the following views: - that the *truth* movement is currently based on lies and misinformation. - that we had good reasons to invade Iraq. - that we have good reasons to not cut and run now. - that democRATS are much worse then Republicans on many issues. - that Ron Brown may have been murdered - that liberalism is not a solution to much of anything. - and that the media is liberally biased on numerous issues including the war. And you have disagreed with many of those views. We've had some spirited debates. And in each case, I've shown that much of what you believe is simply false. But rather than continue to debate the topics in a friendly manner, by offering facts and logic of your own, your response has turned to starting a rather nasty thread claiming with the slimmest of *evidence* that I'm some poster named pinfish at LP, demanding I be banned ... and calling me gay ... as if that's something especially bad. Which leads me back to wondering why you think homosexuality is a bad thing, ferret. Are you? That claim quite seems inconsistent with your efforts to kick me off this forum while at the same time making a big deal about me being gay. Do you wish to oppress me because you THINK I'm gay? Well how generous of you. But that still leaves the question why you brought assertions that I'm gay into the debate in the first place? And did it in a fashion that strongly suggests you think gayness is a very bad thing. What is the deep seated source of your dislike of gays, ferret? A bad experience? Religious teachings? Or, like some psychologists think, do you fear you yourself might be gay and are using the tactic as a defense mechanism? By calling me gay. Do you think all gays are anti-social and hard to deal with? What experience led you to believe that? No ferret ... the ball is in YOUR court. If you want to discuss any of the subjects I listed above, I'll be happy too. But if you want to make assertions that I'm gay the subject, we will most definitely explore why you think that necessary.
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You know BAC, the way I see it is you have a deep seated psychological need to establish yourself as different and unique here at 4UM. I let allot go by without dunning people about our differences as this is a virtual community, and it behooves everyone to chose their battles wisely. You never talk or chat with folks, you talk down to them using inquisitional questions and rhetorically summing them up as you see them. I ran across two well deserved admonishments from Sally regarding your ad hominem attacks beating folks over the head with things like the 'kook' word. Despite your protestations, that is indeed an ad hominem attack. You need to take a genuine human interest in people whether you agree much with them or not and learn not to try to force a win when you have obvious 'you state your case and I'll state mine' situations. You are intelligent enough you could fit in here should you wish. The problem is that you don't wish to. Now I'd be interested in a lively discussion with you on 9-11, but I will not put up with having to hunt through tons of spam -- much of which I've already seen or read numerous times -- having you use it to billboard to the lurkers and control the tempo of post exchange. You have to be ready to accept equal access to the eyes, ears and attention of lurkers -- who are generally the only ones who decide on issues based on the exchange of posts. And you are going to have to be nice and non-condescending in how you come across. I have no confidence you will change now this late in the game, but the choice is always yours' to make how you comport yourself in here.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
I'm disruptive? Because I respond to an unfriendly thread and allegations that someone else started ABOUT ME? ROTFLOL!
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Dude, you've never been nice. You are arrogant and condescending as anyone I've ever traded posts with. And there are many parts of my posts to you you have ignored utterly as you answer what little you chose to to blowfish that up to constitute your entire answer. I have yet to see you provide me with evidence of anything we have discussed that debunks what I believe. And I absolutely scroll by spam, and have no use for it when a link to where it was cut and pated from works nicely and makes the product that is a thread much easier to read, enjoy and comprehend. I have also demonstrably shown you fit well into the definition of a fuckwit and explained in great detail why and how you act like one. There is no need for that, and no way you can disagree in a contrary way with everything and anything said here if you didn't try to or have a deep seated need to. You decide on how you will behave and if you are obnoxious in attitude and how you comport yourself, yes indeedie, I will then call for your ouster from your Lil old oyster. As far as your amusing attempt to put me on the defensive concerning gays, lesbians and trans-gender people, do a search alllll the way back to the starting point of mine at LP. I was there before you and I have never changed. I have always defended the rights of homosexuals and consider homosexuality to be well within the range of normal human sexuality. And have always said so. I can refer you to an EZBoard that has known me since the majority of people were posters at Time.Com/Politics that know me well as someone who has helped cut up homophobic people in the only forum I have been in that has done so effectively outside of DU. I also have worked with Basic Rights Oregon fighting Oregon Citizen Alliance anti-gay rights ballot measures. Any way you try to put me on that defensive, you are screwed Jack, tell ya that from the get go. My credentials in that department are unimpeachable.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
I don't care if you are gay or not. That is as big a deal as whether you have brown or blue eyes, it isn't even a tempest in a teapot. As for the banning part; I believe I have covered that well enough in the last two posts.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
I speculated on who might be Jeff Gannon. The only negative behavior I focused on is Gannon's self serving and unethical nature. He would oppress others like him to get a social advantage with someone who has given good, stout reason to suspect he is of a class of people whom he works to oppress and treat as second class citizens. I actually do not care if Bush or Gannon are gay. But I do care about hypocrisy and treating people like you worse then you expect to be treated. As far as you go, speculation is just that, and I have zero Idea whom you are beyond circumstantial evidence such as perhaps the fact both you and Gannon have worked with software and the other things I pointed out. And I said nothing to you worse the you can withstand easily, as you seem to be trying to coldly distort and exploit things to your benefit as cynically and sociopathically as you ever have.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Well, the posting of opinion and strained interpretation as "fact" certainly looks familiar. The contention that a few pirates represent all of Islam is a good example. Paul is the only declared GOP candidate that seems to understand world history and foreign relations. Calling him a kook is a dead giveaway that the poster is a kook. The style is very, very familiar.
Hard to do with only 15 posts. Why chatting about the flowers, football or movies would leave none to debate substantive matters. Presenting facts and logic is not talking down to people. It actually assumes they have the ability to deal with facts and grasp the logic. And if their response is to get unpleasant like you have, they invite inquisitional questions as to why. By "Sally", I assume you mean Goldi-Lox on LP? Yes, Goldi didn't like the word KOOK. Even banned it. Despite the fact that I once pointed out to Goldi that the dictionary defines KOOK as is someone whose ideas are eccentric, fantastic or insane. And if I clearly prove through verifiable facts and logic that their ideas are indeed eccentric, fantastic or insane, then calling them a KOOK in not inaccurate. Whereas calling someone gay when you know nothing about them is not. And beyond calling people KOOK or democRAT (and again that's something a persons statements can indicate) or liberal, I didn't do all that much name calling at FR, LP or here. I never used foul language. I did once or twice call someone a moron (but after they'd already called me and all the structural engineers in the world morons). Now compare that with the way I've been treated on this forum since I've arrived ... subjected to a steady breeze of foul language and adhominems of all kinds. Just because people disagree with my views and don't like the fact that I can support them with sourced facts and sound logic. The gay tactic is merely the latest. What you call "spam" are posts filled with source facts and sound logic that demolish the assertions they are aimed at rebutting. You don't appear to know the definition of "spam". First of all, spam is unsolicited. Well in a debate, and on a discussion forum like this, one solicits response whenever one posts or makes assertions. Second, spam is sending the same thing over and over and over. But then so is posting the same silly claims that have been debunked a hundred times before. That's spam too. To be blunt, the *truth* movement relies on spam, not facts or truth, to convert the unwary. And you don't like my pointing that out. Well I have a choice. I can either ignore most of what a person claims in an article or a post (and in doing so, imply I agree with those claims) or respond to it all, making my post longer. If that upsets you, I'm sorry. If you haven't the patience to read a post that deals with many points and presents sourced facts and logic for each, don't make many points in your posts to me. Make just one, and see what I do. Does that mean I'm going to get more than 15 posts now? So that I have the same access as you do? But by definition, lurkers rarely tell the debaters who won the debate. I've been civil, posted no foul language, backed up what I claim with sourced facts and sound logic, and responded to everything that folks post to me (within my ability and number of posts to do so). Beyond that, I don't quite see what I'm supposed to do ... other than just agree with whatever you say and talk about the flowers or basketball results so everything remains pleasant.
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Indeed. I agree. There are other style ans word usage simularities. So much so I think BAC protesteth a wee bit too much about the central notion of this thread. Namely, just who pinfish is.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Why chatting about the flowers, football or movies would leave none to debate substantive matters." You never have 'chatted' before any sanction was taken, and I was not the one sanctioning you. Nor do I feel getting the sanction lifted would be very hard if you really wanted it gone. You are not listening. You DO talk down to people. You use rhetorical questions and belittle and mock people and their opinions reflexively. You cannot handle the fact that what seems logical or factual to you may not to someone else, so you very aggressively posture them -- much as you do in the above quoted verbiage of yours'. Please, spare me, there you go again, posturing; yes sweetie, I speak of Sally, Sally the knight in shining armor out to save the world from illegals, even if it means making nonsense about her claim that no viewpoint is censored at LP. As far as your hemming and hawing here goes, that is still an ad hominem attack. An ad hominem attack is an attack against the person, not the argument or point of discussion. You insult with the epithet 'kook.' Period. As far as your still trying to get traction action on the gay thingie goes, give it up. One call to the Eugene Human Rights Commission to ask about Michael McCarthy's stand on homosexuality, ageism, racism, sexism, or any other ism of that nature clears up the point of order. Check on it yourself, or shut the hell up. I read a great deal of your posts examining the record, and I do not concur. You try to be coy and subtle, but you insult, conduct ad hominem behavior, and make plain your general disdain of almost everyone here constantly. As far as your spam goes, it IS unsolicited. Give a link as your citation and reduce the load of quoted material that turns your epic sized posts into an unreadable mess. To assume you need to do that is very condescending in and of itself. You need to at ease that crap, it just is not necessary to get your argument done or point made. You oft times ignore what they say anyway. You do not need to make your posts longer to respond to people, and you do it to gain tactical advantage in the argument and to control the tempo and degree someone bothers to respond to the mess you post to them. You make your own bed in here, and you set yourself up as the lone stranger, contrary to everyone else's thinking with you keeping people away from you with your words. I am probably the most liberal person in forum here, but I try to be civil and respect other people as human beings. I enjoy it when we agree, and listen to them when we don't. Sometime I share how I have thought out out different point of views, often I do not. You are far closer in opinion in many ways with many in here then I will ever be. Yet I get along with them and you do not. I have made it a point to learn about the dynamics and nature of virtual communities. I have the smarts to work to change what I can influence, know what I can't at the moment and should leave be, and the wisdom to know which is which. You are a bull in a china shop leaving myriads of unhappy, pissed and insulted people in your wake. As I have said, you are the master of your destiny in here, you build the model of your persona and behavior. If you are having problems, in many important ways you are the one causing them.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
Ok, let's just see who started the unpleasantness between us on this forum. Your very first post to me (Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 23:41:56 ET), and you posted to me first on LP, was this one, http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46283&Disp=14#C14 on a thread titled "BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record" started by Minerva ... not exactly a friendly, welcoming thread. You posted a video of Clinton laughing after the Brown funeral. You admitted you were trying to get me started me on topic. It wasn't a friendly post. It had just the opposite intent. How do I know? Because your first post about me on that thread was post #11 where you joked with Minerva as follows: ******************** #11. To: Minerva (#9) Wow, he comes in a special koOk action case? Does he com with batteries too? ;-D Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 22:30:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply ******************** Then you posted to Morgana le Fay, who like Minerva, was on the thread trying to ridicule me: ********** #12. To: Morgana le Fay (#10) Yep, if he was a movie he'd be called 'Bac to the Futile.' Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 22:37:53 ET ************ Not exactly friendly or welcoming. And did I respond to that unpleasantness by being unpleasant? No, I ignored you. And then your next post to me was this ************ http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=48869&Disp=382#C382 #382. To: BeAChooser (#381) Depends. If someone drops a coin in your head you will hear echos as the sound bounces around in an empty place. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-04-10 13:09:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply ***************** Again, not very friendly. And again I ignored you. The next thread where you posted to me was this one on a thread discussing the Pentagon damage on 9/11 where you threw out this: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49805&Disp=49#C49 "Thus I find your taunting airs disingenuous and insincere. No sale on your taunting of people because they are successfully made fearful of their jobs by the powers that be." My response to all this unpleasantness was http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49805&Disp=67#C67 which provided you a link to a source discussing "Who is Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre?". You and BTP Holdings were discussing his theory about a cruise missile doing the damage. Mine was not an unfriendly post ... just a link filled with facts. I guess in your mind the fact that those facts might cause you to doubt your opinion of Mr Grand-Pre was unfriendly. ROTFLOL! In any case, that's when you starting posting disinformation thinking you were posting truth. You posted this, for example: ********** #88. To: BeAChooser (#87) (Edited) Not convincing. Those engines so large and heavy should have a strong impact signature against the building, and/or have made considerable damage to the lawn and exterior impact effected area by their own right. But all we see is an undersized hole allegedly created by the aluminum bubble of a fuselage. We hear unreasonable crap about how much of the jet was disintegrated in the fire that had the odor of burning explosives early on as per comments of many of the survivors, not jet fuel. This small impact signature was from a missile or small jet rigged with explosives, not from a large jetliner which would have had tonnes of engine metal battering the building and left a huge volume of torn apart fuselage all over the lawn from the lighter structural material of the fuselage the was torn apart and spread as the elements of high material mass pierced the building. It is just unreasonable to pretend this lighter material would be spread so differently in this alleged jet impact when it has never happened in other aviation disasters. Ferret Mike posted on 2007-04-11 14:53:2 ************ Never mind that I had already posted photos proving that the engines created a big signature (a hole) in the building wall. Never mind that I had already shown that one wouldn't expect a damaged lawn given the size of the plane and the fact that the lawn being discussed was on the upstream side of the impact hole. Never mind that I'd already posted pictures proving that the hole wasn't undersized and logic explaining why it was the size it was (because some portions of the wings contained fuel and other portions didn't). I can't help it if you started off our association on this forum by simply ignoring all those photos and the logic in posts that preceded your post. You had your eyes closed to anything I posted from the very beginning. You didn't like my response to the disinformation you posted. Let me quote it: "you will not find the truth on a foundation of misinformation and lies." On multiple threads on multiple subjects now, you've made claims that I've proven are false using sourced photos, links to credible engineering and science professionals, and sound logic. I understand that you don't like that. But don't go acting like you were nice to begin with or that you EVER bothered to try and read/understand any posts I've made. You've never opened your eyes since that first contact. And that's not my fault. That says something about you. Like I said, you've never opened your eyes once because your 9/11 *truth movement" filter is securely in place. And here was my response to your unpleasant assertion for those who missed it: ****************** Don't believe I've ever done something as uncouth as that. For all you know, I might even be disabled. No, I'm an extremely courteous driver. In fact, I ALWAYS drive defensively. And I usually give others the right of way in hallways, on sidewalks, when entering or exiting elevators ... and I never cut lines. Never. Why I've even been known to pick up other folks litter. People have been known to compliment my generousity. And I always say "you first". I don't pretend to know everything. That's why I never call myself an expert in any topic being discussed. I just do a little research and let others speak for me. I listen. Which is why I always respond to posts and often respond line by line to their content. That is getting more difficult to do around here since christine cut me back to 15 posts a day, though. ROTFLOL! I'm not the one refusing to discuss the facts in this thread. Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed. And by the way, does http://www.fuckwit.info/whatis.htm say anything about rudeness? ************* Says the guy who starts a thread like this, implies I'm gay (because HE thinks that's a very bad thing to be) even when he knows nothing about me, calls me labels like "fuckwit", and, yes indeedie, calls for my banning just because I don't agree with him about certain issues and have proven he's posted a lot of disinformation on those issues. You mean you've felt this way about gays for quite a while? So whatever has created this homophobia is not something that happened since joining 4um or LP. Well that's reassuring. I wouldn't want to end up like you. Then why use the word as an adhominem? But ok ... I'm willing to take your word for that. So if you never accuse me of being gay again, you and I can move on to talking about something else. Fair enough? Strange. I haven't seen you do that at 4um where you are not the only person who has used the gay label as an adhominem to attack me. I don't believe even once you raised your voice in protest. I will say a couple others did. Which is why you go around using accusations of being gay as an adhominem? And weren't you trying to put me on the defensive with that accusation?
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Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
No, on this thread you did this: ********** 8. To: garryowen (#0) Here is a post BAC did as pinfish at LP complete with it's link. Wouldn't be a kick if this little turd brained idiot is Gannon or an associate of his? It would explain much about the idiot. ;-) Ferret Mike posted on 2007-05-17 1:08:43 ET ********** You are trying to weasel out of what you did, ferret. No, what you did was focus on Gannon's supposed hypocrisy where gayness is concerned and then link it to me. Well good. Then we can finally agree on something. You can speculate all you want about Bush and Gannon when it comes to gayness ... but don't bring my screenname into it. If you do, we will continue this.
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Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel.
Here is a Steven Jones' distortion and lie filled slide show presentation from his website: http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/DrJonesTalksatISUPhysicsDepartment.pdf Take a look at page 26 and you will find this slide: Now look very carefully at that slide. It's title is "Previously molten-metal from WTC, ... Not convinced yet? Well look at the white text on the lower right corner of the slide. "Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. Access to the SLAG sample should be made available to appropriate physicists in order to conduct non-destruction X-ray Flouresence tests and other forms of examination, which should reveal evidence of the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Based on these tests, we further demand two small samples (about the size of a fist) be extracted from this large piece for further scientific analysis" -- Scholars for 9/11 Truth petition I have news for *Dr* Jones. A LIAR is in no position to DEMAND anything of anyone.
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Your very first post to me (Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 23:41:56 ET), and you posted to me first on LP, was this one, Wow! Only a completely obsessive kook would bookmark that sort of drivel. What does that tell you about yourself?
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[BAC #31 to Ferret Mike] Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed. [nc question] Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel. It's title is "Previously molten-metal from WTC, ... Not convinced yet? No, not convinced yet. What you have provided does not even purport that Dr. Jones, or anyone else, stated that the pictured matter is "slag from a pool of molten steel." Indeed, there is no mention of molten steel or even molten iron. "Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. Access to the SLAG sample should be made available to appropriate physicists in order to conduct non-destruction X-ray Flouresence tests and other forms of examination, which should reveal evidence of the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Based on these tests, we further demand two small samples (about the size of a fist) be extracted from this large piece for further scientific analysis" -- Scholars for 9/11 Truth petition I have news for *Dr* Jones. A LIAR is in no position to DEMAND anything of anyone. I have looked at the text and find no allusion to molten steel or molten iron. There is only recitation that eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record "suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held...." There is no quote of Dr. Jones ever making so much as an allusion to any amount of molten steel, much less a pool of molten steel. Indeed, in all of your alleged supporting evidence for your assertion, there is not one mention of "molten steel" or any "pool of molten steel" by anybody. You have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones has ever asserted the existence of a "pool of molten steel," just as you have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones claimed the pictured material "is slag from a pool of molten steel." Your picture only tends to support the apparently accurate contention that "Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City." Clearly, BAC is the LIAR and is in no position to position to be taken seriously.
ROTFLOL! Thanks for proving exactly what I've been saying about the utter denial of facts by proponents of the so-called *truth* movement. You know full well that Jones' whole thesis is premised on the claim there was molten STEEL (or iron, if you like) ... pools of it ... in the WTC rubble and it was there because thermite melted the steel members in the WTC towers. The slide presentation I linked you is filled with photos and discussion about tests for thermite and its use to melt through the steel columns to bring the structures down. In every article or speech Jones has given, his claim has been that thermite was used to cut through the steel at the WTC and resulted in "pools" of the stuff being found at that site. It's filled with arguments ruling out aluminum and office furnishings as the source of the slag and any pools of metal. He states in his key paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?" that "as hypothesized below, thermite reactions may well have resulted in substantial quantities (observed in pools) of molten iron at very high temperatures - initially above 2000 C (3632 F)." and "Thus, molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel or perhaps iron." His paper contains a picture of the same chunk of debris he identified in his slide presentation as SLAG, and says this about it: "The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York ... snip ... The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed. Later the report states "Who can deny that liquid, molten metal existed at the WTC disaster? The yellow color implies a molten-metal temperature of approximately 1000 C, evidently above that which the dark-smoke hydrocarbon fires in the Towers could produce. If aluminum (e.g., from the plane) had melted, it would melt and flow away from the heat source at its melting point of about 650 C and thus would not reach the yellow color observed for this molten metal. Thus, molten aluminum is already ruled out with high probability. But molten iron with the characteristics seen in this video is in fact consistent with a thermite-reaction attacking the steel columns in the Tower, thus weakening the building just prior to its collapse, since thermite produces molten iron at yellow-to-white hot temperatures." For you to even suggest he hasn't claimed there were pools of molten steel or that he wasn't suggesting that chunk of debris was slag from such a pool, only proves you are utterly beyond reason, NC. But then that describes the *truth* movement, in general. So thanks again for proving it. I could ask for a better straight man. At some point in any discussion with you, all one can do is laugh. ROTFLOL!
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I am curious, ferret. Are you Isherwood Williams at LP? He first started posting there on 4/17/05, ONE DAY after you started this thread. Now I would never have noticed this, except that this (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=185746&Disp=8#C8 ) was posted by him the very first day he posted there: ************ 8. To: Bill D Berger (#0) I noticed this thread Is BeAChooser the new disrupter named 'pinfish' ar LP? http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=52466&Disp=15#C15 This guy is going to really start hammering any effort to get the truth out concering 9-11 if he is that guy, so I don't know if the speculation of the thread starter is valid, but it bears watching, thus the heads up to you. I am not going to post something of this gravity in the main flow until I have acclimated to this forum. Isherwood Williams posted on 2007-05-17 15:04:19 ET ************* Then he posted this: ************* 11. To: yukon (#9) I got a response to my internal mail there. He says hi and that you can reach him at ferret*at*surffast*dot*com. He says you are a good guy, so it sounds like you and he should not have any ax to grind. Isherwood Williams posted on 2007-05-17 16:30:39 ET *************** Next he posted this (http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=187720&Disp=3#C3 ): *************** 3. To: JoeSnuffy (#2) Interesting thread about this guy at another site: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=52466&Disp=0#C0 Isherwood Williams posted on 2007-05-18 00:23:14 ET ************* And this: ************* 13. To: Bill D Berger (#11) This guy is pure poison. He is not only a disruptor that works the field of neocon agendas such as attacking Ron Paul, fighting the Truth Movement and promoting neocon hegemony through war, he does it as if he punches a timeclock. A poster at 4UM recently noticed BeAChooser/pinfish as changing style, syntax, and other aspects of his posting, so it is quite possible this is a designated spot filled by people who employ others to control the buzz in various places on the Internet. In any event, nothing good comes from the presence of a BAC/Cone of Silence/ pinfish, regardless of his or her current appellation. Isherwood Williams posted on 2007-05-18 17:07:28 ET ************** Now I think it is only fair, since you started the rumor, that you contact this Isherwood Williams and disillusion him of the notion that I am pinfish. Because I am not. You tell him that BeAChooser says he only posts under the screenname BeAChooser. You obviously have his email address so this request should be no problem for you to carry out. We sure wouldn't want Goldi to think you were ferret. Would we?
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Hi cracker.
Naw. Isherwood Williams doesn't sound like Ferret. You are just paranoid. Most kooks are parnoid so you should just accept the condition.
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#4. To: who knows what evil (#1)
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"Some posters there think he is the 'reincarnation' of some idiot who posted as 'cone of silence'."
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#2)
Note he is a supporter of the latest sweetheart of FR for the GOP nomination
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#8. To: IndieTX, Diana (#3)
"He should be banned and forced to get his own website and bandwidth for his Bravo Sierra. He is not interested in conversing issues in a genuine manner. He is a spammer."
#9. To: IndieTX (#6)
"BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is."
#10. To: Ferret Mike, all (#9)
"BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is."
#11. To: IndieTX (#10)
(Edited)
8. To: garryowen (#0)
Jeff Gannon offers Jerry Falwell prayers and condolences.
would explain much about the idiot. ;-)
#12. To: IndieTX, Minerva, christine. (#10)
Jeff Gannon’s ‘Bible Reading Marathon.’ Dana Milbank writes, “Let us pray that, on next year’s National Day of Prayer, there is better attendance at the ‘Bible Reading Marathon’ on the West Front of the Capitol.”
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#12)
BAC/pinfish is Gannon
#14. To: IndieTX (#13)
#15. To: IndieTX (#13)
#16. To: Ferret Mike, IndieTX, christine, ALL (#15)
#17. To: BeAChooser (#16)
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"That said, I am curious about something. The two of you ... Ferret Mike and IndieTx ... have insinuated I'm gay."
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#19. To: BeAChooser, Ferret Mike (#16)
I think both of you appear to be homophobic.
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#20. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#0)
#21. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#17)
I have always very consistently stood up for gay rights. I support the new law in Oregon protecting homosexuals from bigotry.
I am frosted by people like Bush who work to oppress gays and lesbians,
If you are gay, more power to you.
I am reacting to how anti-social and hard to deal with you are.
The ball is in your court, just let me know how agreeable in responding positively to my feedback you are and we'll go from there.
#22. To: BeAChooser (#16)
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#23. To: angle, Ferret Mike, christine (#20)
This disrupting fool needs a shorter leash. 5 posts a day, 25 words a post.
#24. To: BeAChooser (#21)
"And you have disagreed with many of those views. We've had some spirited debates. And in each case, I've shown that much of what you believe is simply false. But rather than continue to debate the topics in a friendly manner, by offering facts and logic of your own, your response has turned to starting a rather nasty thread claiming with the slimmest of *evidence* that I'm some poster named pinfish at LP, demanding I be banned ... and calling me gay ... as if that's something especially bad. Which leads me back to wondering why you think homosexuality is a bad thing, ferret."
#25. To: BeAChooser (#21)
"Are you? That claim quite seems inconsistent with your efforts to kick me off this forum while at the same time making a big deal about me being gay. Do you wish to oppress me because you THINK I'm gay?"
#26. To: BeAChooser (#21)
"Well how generous of you. But that still leaves the question why you brought assertions that I'm gay into the debate in the first place? And did it in a fashion that strongly suggests you think gayness is a very bad thing. What is the deep seated source of your dislike of gays, ferret? A bad experience? Religious teachings? Or, like some psychologists think, do you fear you yourself might be gay and are using the tactic as a defense mechanism?"
#27. To: Ferret Mike (#0)
#28. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#22)
You never talk or chat with folks,
you talk down to them
I ran across two well deserved admonishments from Sally regarding your ad hominem attacks beating folks over the head with things like the 'kook' word. Despite your protestations, that is indeed an ad hominem attack.
Now I'd be interested in a lively discussion with you on 9-11, but I will not put up with having to hunt through tons of spam
-- much of which I've already seen or read numerous times -- having you use it to billboard to the lurkers and control the tempo of post exchange.
You have to be ready to accept equal access to the eyes, ears and attention of lurkers
-- who are generally the only ones who decide on issues based on the exchange of posts.
I have no confidence you will change now this late in the game, but the choice is always yours' to make how you comport yourself in here.
#29. To: Mekons4 (#27)
"Calling him a kook is a dead giveaway that the poster is a kook. The style is very, very familiar."
#30. To: BeAChooser (#28)
"Hard to do with only 15 posts.
"Presenting facts and logic is not talking down to people. It actually assumes they have the ability to deal with facts and grasp the logic. And if their response is to get unpleasant like you have, they invite inquisitional questions as to why."
"By "Sally", I assume you mean Goldi-Lox on LP? Yes, Goldi didn't like the word KOOK. Even banned it. Despite the fact that I once pointed out to Goldi that the dictionary defines KOOK as is someone whose ideas are eccentric, fantastic or insane. And if I clearly prove through verifiable facts and logic that their ideas are indeed eccentric, fantastic or insane, then calling them a KOOK in not inaccurate. Whereas calling someone gay when you know nothing about them is not."
"And beyond calling people KOOK or democRAT (and again that's something a persons statements can indicate) or liberal, I didn't do all that much name calling at FR, LP or here. I never used foul language. I did once or twice call someone a moron (but after they'd already called me and all the structural engineers in the world morons). Now compare that with the way I've been treated on this forum since I've arrived ... subjected to a steady breeze of foul language and adhominems of all kinds. Just because people disagree with my views and don't like the fact that I can support them with sourced facts and sound logic. The gay tactic is merely the latest."
"Well I have a choice. I can either ignore most of what a person claims in an article or a post (and in doing so, imply I agree with those claims) or respond to it all, making my post longer. If that upsets you, I'm sorry. If you haven't the patience to read a post that deals with many points and presents sourced facts and logic for each, don't make many points in your posts to me. Make just one, and see what I do."
#31. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#24)
Dude, you've never been nice. You are arrogant and condescending as anyone I've ever traded posts with.
"But isn't BAC a special case?"
"yes bac is a special case, we won't do it to anyone else. promise."
"Will "crickets" be all I hear?"
I have yet to see you provide me with evidence of anything we have discussed that debunks what I believe. And I absolutely scroll by spam,
I have also demonstrably shown you fit well into the definition of a fuckwit and explained in great detail why and how you act like one.
I move you be terminated as a 'fuckwit,' banning fuckwits has always ben a sound forum management practice.
From the source linked below:
"Fuckwits park on pavements and in disabled parking spaces when they are not entitled to do so.
Fuckwits always believe they have 'right of way'.
Fuckwits drop litter in the street.
Fuckwits only generally care about themselves and this is evident in their overall attitude toward everything and everyone else.
Fuckwits always know absolutely everything in the history of everythingness.
Fuckwits talk lots and listen little.
Fuckwits never allow evidence to prevent them continuing to be a fuckwit.
You decide on how you will behave and if you are obnoxious in attitude and how you comport yourself
As far as your amusing attempt to put me on the defensive concerning gays, lesbians and trans-gender people, do a search alllll the way back to the starting point of mine at LP. I was there before you and I have never changed.
I have always defended the rights of homosexuals and consider homosexuality to be well within the range of normal human sexuality. And have always said so.
that know me well as someone who has helped cut up homophobic people
Any way you try to put me on that defensive, you are screwed Jack, tell ya that from the get go. My credentials in that department are unimpeachable.
#32. To: BeAChooser (#31)
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#33. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#26)
I speculated on who might be Jeff Gannon.
Jeff Gannon offers Jerry Falwell prayers and condolences.
pinfish posted on 2007-05-15 14:22:17 ET
The only negative behavior I focused on is Gannon's self serving and unethical nature.
I actually do not care if Bush or Gannon are gay.
But I do care about hypocrisy and treating people like you worse then you expect to be treated.
#34. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#30)
An ad hominem attack is an attack against the person, not the argument or point of discussion. You insult with the epithet 'kook.'
But I ONLY used the label KOOK, when I had already attacked (and defeated) the argument or point of discussion promoted by that person and shown it to defy the facts and sound logic ... i.e., be eccentric, fantastic or insane. When it wasn't just one bit of insanity they believed in but a whole wagon load. It's therefore, not an adhominem, but a description of the person since what they posed was proven to be eccentric, fantastic or insane. See the distinction? Check on it yourself, or shut the hell up.
I'm not the one who made it necessary to raise the issue. But I'm more than willing to drop it. Just don't do what you tried to do on this thread. "And beyond calling people KOOK or democRAT (and again that's something a persons statements can indicate) or liberal, I didn't do all that much name calling at FR, LP or here. I never used foul language. I did once or twice call someone a moron (but after they'd already called me and all the structural engineers in the world morons). Now compare that with the way I've been treated on this forum since I've arrived ... subjected to a steady breeze of foul language and adhominems of all kinds. Just because people disagree with my views and don't like the fact that I can support them with sourced facts and sound logic. The gay tactic is merely the latest."
I read a great deal of your posts examining the record, and I do not concur.
Then prove it. Lets see a list of the labels I used when speaking to people. And be sure to supply URLs so everyone can see the context in which everything was said. You try to be coy and subtle, but you insult, conduct ad hominem behavior, and make plain your general disdain of almost everyone here constantly.
Facts and sound logic are not adhominems. Nor are they insulting. They just are. As far as your spam goes, it IS unsolicited.
Then you may be in the wrong place. This is a discussion forum as far as I now. If you post anything, anyone is allowed to respond. Or should be ... especially if their response contains sourced facts and sound logic. That should be welcomed. Give a link as your citation and reduce the load of quoted material that turns your epic sized posts into an unreadable mess.
Because I've notice that folks around here have a habit of ignoring those links. Because I find its better to show exactly why something is incorrect rather than provide a link and hope the reader will wade through whatever is on that link to find that specific information. Be aware that much of the material I post comes from documents or websites that are quite lengthy. I'm actually trying to summarize the material for folks so they don't have to read through hundreds of pages, while I stand back hoping they will see whatever I hoped they would. You oft times ignore what they say anyway.
You claim that but I don't think my posts demonstrate it. Especially when I get into responding line by line as I am now. Your posts invite that. Furthermore, on one hand you criticize me for long posts and the other criticize me for not responding. I'm confused ... I am probably the most liberal person in forum here, but I try to be civil and respect other people as human beings.
I agree that compared to many here, you have been comparatively civil ... until recently. Which is why I decided to step in and make you aware that you were crossing a boundary that you might not want to cross. You are far closer in opinion in many ways with many in here then I will ever be. Yet I get along with them and you do not.
Because you agree with them on all the issues I mentioned and I do not. And they find that important. They find that a threat. You are a bull in a china shop leaving myriads of unhappy, pissed and insulted people in your wake.
I say that's because people don't like to have dearly held beliefs challenged. It makes them very uncomfortable. Especially when they come up against an opponent who knows how to use facts and logic to prove a case.
#35. To: BeAChooser (#31)
Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed.
#36. To: nolu_chan, ALL (#35)
Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel.
#37. To: BeAChooser (#31)
Ok, let's just see who started the unpleasantness between us on this forum.
#38. To: BeAChooser, Ferret Mike (#36)
[BAC] Now look very carefully at that slide.
[BAC] Well look at the white text on the lower right corner of the slide.
#39. To: nolu_chan, Ferret Mike, ALL (#38)
I have looked at the text and find no allusion to molten steel or molten iron. There is only recitation that eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record "suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held...."
There is no quote of Dr. Jones ever making so much as an allusion to any amount of molten steel, much less a pool of molten steel. Indeed, in all of your alleged supporting evidence for your assertion, there is not one mention of "molten steel" or any "pool of molten steel" by anybody.
You have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones has ever asserted the existence of a "pool of molten steel," just as you have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones claimed the pictured material "is slag from a pool of molten steel."
#40. To: BeAChooser (#39)
#41. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#32)
#42. To: BeAChooser (#41)
#43. To: BeAChooser (#41)
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