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Title: Is BeAChooser the new disrupter named 'pinfish' ar LP?
Source: LP
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=187542&Disp=16#C16
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: Mike McCarthy
Post Date: 2007-05-16 23:07:07 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 3125
Comments: 43

Title: Ron Paul Is A Fool
Source: >http://mikeaustin.org
URL Source: >http://mikeaustin.org/thereturnofscipio/2007/05/16/ron-paul-is-a-fool/
Published: May 16, 2007
Author: >http://mikeaustin.org
Post Date: 2007-05-16 21:13:54 by pinfish
19 Comments

Ron Paul said something entirely foolish last night. It should be enough to remove him from all consideration as a candidate for the presidency.

Here is what Paul said about 9/11.

They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years… Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. They are delighted that we’re over there because — Osama bin Laden has said ‘I’m glad you’re over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.’ They have already now, since that time they’ve killed 3,400 of our men and I don’t think it was necessary.

Never mind Paul’s argument from ‘moral equivalence’ that likens American base building to Chinese base building—both nations act exactly the same upon the world stage, don’t you know? Never mind his using a quote from bin-Laden to bolster his case.

The man has no idea of the issues involved in the Middle East, is entirely ignorant of its history and should never be trusted with the responsibilities of commander-in-chief. Paul’s response concerning 9/11 is suited to Michael Moore, not to any rational being.

He blames his own nation for 9/11. This is the kook argument, castigating the US for all the evils of the world.

A very quick history lesson is in order. As Doctor Johnson said, we need to be reminded more than instructed.

Islam is an imperialist religion. It makes no secret of this and indeed it boasts about this. The Islamic lands around the Mediterranean were once Christian and were taken by Islam in a series of unprovoked wars from AD 630-732. All except the tiny redoubt of Israel remain Islamic still.

The United States had her first contact with Islam in a wars with the Barbary Pirates (1801-05, 1815). Islam attacked our ships, took hostages, demanded tribute and beheaded prisoners. Sound familiar?

In other words, before Iraq, before US support of Israel, before any US involvement in the Middle East, Islam was attacking us. It attacks us still.

All of this is basic 8th grade US History. Did Paul not pass that year?

Ron Paul would be a Republican president, yet he does not know the basic facts about why his own nation fights. He should not be allowed anywhere near the White House.

(Captain Ed comments on Ron Paul.)

But the Buffoon Of The Year award goes to Ron Paul. His contention that America deserved the 9/11 attack should end his political career. Hopefully it will convince the next forum to exclude him from the proceedings. Paul made everyone else look tolerable, and had most of us yearning for a vaudeville hook.


Poster Comment:

There is a new kid in town at elpee. His style and interests strangely mirror that of our resident disruptor BeAChooser.

He just signed up and this would make sense seeing how little wiggle room and how unpleasent it has gotten here for BAC.

Take a look at the short searh of 'pinfish' and judge for yourself.

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi?SNSearch=1&Fm=pinfish&To=&LPNum=2&

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

Some posters there think he is the 'reincarnation' of some idiot who posted as 'cone of silence'.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-16   23:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: who knows what evil (#1) (Edited)

"Some posters there think he is the 'reincarnation' of some idiot who posted as 'cone of silence'."

I thought about this speculation and did a serch of CofS's posts, and personally, I feel strongly this person much more resembles BAC.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-16   23:19:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is.

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-16   23:20:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IndieTX (#6)

"BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is."

Yup. Got that one pegged. He's perhaps a world class conehead, but that is about it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-16   23:25:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike, all (#9)

"BAC wouldn't know what a "cone of silence" really is."

Yup. Got that one pegged. He's perhaps a world class conehead, but that is about it.

Notice the large hook echo [tornadic] signature on the doppler reflectivity display just to the SW of the radar site. [The radar site looks black and like the eye of a hurricane. This is the radar cone of silence, the area it can not "see" because it's too close to the radar site.]

The next view, we see BAC, as he moves about in his own cone along with his fellow "Log Cabin" replicRats. BAC is the one with his tongue chasing the other guy's a&&: photo credit Log Cabin republican shake and bake campout

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-17   0:58:21 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IndieTX, Minerva, christine. (#10)

Jeff Gannon’s ‘Bible Reading Marathon.’ Dana Milbank writes, “Let us pray that, on next year’s National Day of Prayer, there is better attendance at the ‘Bible Reading Marathon’ on the West Front of the Capitol.”

Organizers put out 600 folding chairs on the lawn — the spot where presidents are inaugurated — and set up a huge stage with powerful amplifiers. But at 9:30 a.m. yesterday, not one of the 600 seats was occupied. By 11 a.m., as a woman read a passage from Revelations, attendance had grown — to four people. Finally, at 1 p.m., 37 of the 600 seats were occupied, though many of those people were tourists eating lunch.

Where was everybody?

“This isn’t that kind of event,” explained Jeff Gannon, spokesman for the host, the International Bible Reading Association. Gannon, actually a pseudonym for James Guckert, had earned fame in 2005 representing a conservative Web site at White House briefings until it was revealed that he posted nude pictures of himself on the Web to offer his services as a $200-an-hour gay escort.

Let us pray for the power to understand how Gannon made his way from HotMilitaryStud. com to the International Bible Reading Association.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/04/jeff-gannons-bible-reading-marathon/

Interesting, isn't it? pinfish coyly links to Gannon's webpage and delves into Biblical posts as pinfish. Something Gannon was into as we see in the above quote where he was involved in a ‘Bible Reading Marathon’ on the West Front of the Capitol.”

Something is very strange about BeAChooser, and pinfish. And if pinfish is BAC and posts Gannon's webpage and varies slightly from an infactuation with 9-11 to delve into the Bible, something Gannon is into, he likely does so because he is egotistically trying to count coupe on everyone he feels slights him here and whom he feels he is the intellectual superior to. Unfortunately for him, he is far more transparent then he realizes.

Gannon alwayd coyly talks about hiding from liberals in plain view. Is this guy him? He might be, he sure acts like he tinks he is a jounalist the way he cuts and pastes a product together in his overlong posts that have the sort of muddledness of over-reaching one's intellectual and educational abilities Gannon was/is always guilty of.

Seriously, this person needs to find a new home and to get quality psychological counseling. He is here just playing games and stroking his ego, and you really have to stretch it to contend that by keeping him here you are serving the cause of free speech.

Ditch him.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-17   2:40:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

BAC/pinfish is Gannon

Better than even money you're correct. The conehead with the tongue...slight resemblance?

We don't need any gay hookers here.

Why can't she post here? ;-O)

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-17   3:02:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: IndieTX (#13)

No, we don't need this sort of neocon in here. I knew he'd high tail it back to LP with the Truth Movement banished to the Biker Bar. The place is more his sort of dump as Trailer Trash Sally whores her forum as an open to all view points venue.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-17   11:17:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike, IndieTX, christine, ALL (#15)

Just for the record, I'm not pinfish. I'll say once again, since you seem to have missed my declarations of this in the past (and seem now desperate to change the subject from WTC7, the collapse of the towers and the damage at the Pentagon), that I have never posted on ANY forum as anyone other than BeAChooser.

That said, I am curious about something. The two of you ... Ferret Mike and IndieTx ... have insinuated I'm gay. Now, of course, you have no actual basis for suggesting I'm gay. Nowhere in my posting history have I taken much interest in gay issues. Nowhere have I said I'm gay or anything that might suggest I'm gay. You actually know nothing about me since I've been careful not to reveal much of anything about myself on any internet forum. I think for good reason given that they are populated with folks like you.

So I find the fact that you (and a few others here at LP) immediately toss out the gay innuendos in your posts, as if you think that will discredit me, quite fascinating. I think we are actually learning more about YOU than me.

I think both of you appear to be homophobic. I'm now curious as to what led you to that state. Is there something in your history ... an incident? Or is this attitude something your parents instilled in you? In which case, why did they hate gays so much? Has your God told you this? Do you think gays are inferior as a group (and as individuals) compared to you (and your *kind*)? Are they a corruption ... a blight ... a scourge on the human race?

Do you think they should be punished for being gay? If so, how? Should they be rounded up and put in camps? Should they be chemically altered so they are more *normal*? Should they be prevented from voting or being elected to office? Should they be only allowed in the back of the bus or put on separate buses? Aren't you afraid that you might touch something that they've touched? Drink from the same water fountain? Breath the same air?

Do you view lesbians the same as gays? Should they ALL be exterminated?

Seriously "guys", what is it you have against gays that you'd call someone, when you really know nothing about them, gay ... as if that's a REALLY bad thing? Something beneath contempt. The worst insult you can think of. So why don't you tell us your reasons for thinking that gays are soooooo bad? Because now I'm curious.

And since you obviously don't want to talk about WTC7, the collapse of the towers or the damage at the Pentagon any more (ROTFLOL!), this is as good a topic as any.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-17   15:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BeAChooser (#16) (Edited)

"That said, I am curious about something. The two of you ... Ferret Mike and IndieTx ... have insinuated I'm gay."

I have always very consistently stood up for gay rights. I support the new law in Oregon protecting homosexuals from bigotry.

I am frosted by people like Bush who work to oppress gays and lesbians, but invite their male prostitutes into the White House so they can have the cake and eat it too.

I dpon't like prostitution and hypocritical closet dwellers like Bush and Mark Foley. If you are gay, more power to you. If you are a prostitute and hypocritical about your gender preference, shame on you.

Now as far as the thread's speculation, that is what it is. I have the opinion that you are most likely pinfish, but I've been wrong before. So it goes.

And finally in regards to 9-11, if you would stop spamming so unnessesarily and answer my posts on the points I inquire regarding, I'd certainly be happy to discuss it with you.

But as it stands, the way you post makes the process of dialog with you very difficult to do. And my opinion is you do this by design.

If you want to return to that topic, I'd be happy to. But I have no desire to be hit with mega posts of material that can be linked to instead.

I am reacting to how anti-social and hard to deal with you are. The ball is in your court, just let me know how agreeable in responding positively to my feedback you are and we'll go from there.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-17   16:17:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#17)

I have always very consistently stood up for gay rights. I support the new law in Oregon protecting homosexuals from bigotry.

Such a claim is inconsistent with making "gay" your preferred adhominem on the 4um against someone who you know nothing about and who just disagrees with you on a number of issues that have nothing to do with homosexuality.

As I just got done telling another homophobe, I have espoused the following views:

- that the *truth* movement is currently based on lies and misinformation.

- that we had good reasons to invade Iraq.

- that we have good reasons to not cut and run now.

- that democRATS are much worse then Republicans on many issues.

- that Ron Brown may have been murdered

- that liberalism is not a solution to much of anything.

- and that the media is liberally biased on numerous issues including the war.

And you have disagreed with many of those views. We've had some spirited debates. And in each case, I've shown that much of what you believe is simply false. But rather than continue to debate the topics in a friendly manner, by offering facts and logic of your own, your response has turned to starting a rather nasty thread claiming with the slimmest of *evidence* that I'm some poster named pinfish at LP, demanding I be banned ... and calling me gay ... as if that's something especially bad. Which leads me back to wondering why you think homosexuality is a bad thing, ferret.

I am frosted by people like Bush who work to oppress gays and lesbians,

Are you? That claim quite seems inconsistent with your efforts to kick me off this forum while at the same time making a big deal about me being gay. Do you wish to oppress me because you THINK I'm gay?

If you are gay, more power to you.

Well how generous of you. But that still leaves the question why you brought assertions that I'm gay into the debate in the first place? And did it in a fashion that strongly suggests you think gayness is a very bad thing. What is the deep seated source of your dislike of gays, ferret? A bad experience? Religious teachings? Or, like some psychologists think, do you fear you yourself might be gay and are using the tactic as a defense mechanism?

I am reacting to how anti-social and hard to deal with you are.

By calling me gay. Do you think all gays are anti-social and hard to deal with? What experience led you to believe that?

The ball is in your court, just let me know how agreeable in responding positively to my feedback you are and we'll go from there.

No ferret ... the ball is in YOUR court. If you want to discuss any of the subjects I listed above, I'll be happy too. But if you want to make assertions that I'm gay the subject, we will most definitely explore why you think that necessary.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-17   18:56:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: BeAChooser (#21)

"And you have disagreed with many of those views. We've had some spirited debates. And in each case, I've shown that much of what you believe is simply false. But rather than continue to debate the topics in a friendly manner, by offering facts and logic of your own, your response has turned to starting a rather nasty thread claiming with the slimmest of *evidence* that I'm some poster named pinfish at LP, demanding I be banned ... and calling me gay ... as if that's something especially bad. Which leads me back to wondering why you think homosexuality is a bad thing, ferret."

Dude, you've never been nice. You are arrogant and condescending as anyone I've ever traded posts with. And there are many parts of my posts to you you have ignored utterly as you answer what little you chose to to blowfish that up to constitute your entire answer.

I have yet to see you provide me with evidence of anything we have discussed that debunks what I believe. And I absolutely scroll by spam, and have no use for it when a link to where it was cut and pated from works nicely and makes the product that is a thread much easier to read, enjoy and comprehend.

I have also demonstrably shown you fit well into the definition of a fuckwit and explained in great detail why and how you act like one. There is no need for that, and no way you can disagree in a contrary way with everything and anything said here if you didn't try to or have a deep seated need to.

You decide on how you will behave and if you are obnoxious in attitude and how you comport yourself, yes indeedie, I will then call for your ouster from your Lil old oyster.

As far as your amusing attempt to put me on the defensive concerning gays, lesbians and trans-gender people, do a search alllll the way back to the starting point of mine at LP. I was there before you and I have never changed.

I have always defended the rights of homosexuals and consider homosexuality to be well within the range of normal human sexuality. And have always said so.

I can refer you to an EZBoard that has known me since the majority of people were posters at Time.Com/Politics that know me well as someone who has helped cut up homophobic people in the only forum I have been in that has done so effectively outside of DU.

I also have worked with Basic Rights Oregon fighting Oregon Citizen Alliance anti-gay rights ballot measures.

Any way you try to put me on that defensive, you are screwed Jack, tell ya that from the get go. My credentials in that department are unimpeachable.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-05-17   19:15:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike, ALL (#24)

Dude, you've never been nice. You are arrogant and condescending as anyone I've ever traded posts with.

Ok, let's just see who started the unpleasantness between us on this forum.

Your very first post to me (Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 23:41:56 ET), and you posted to me first on LP, was this one,

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46283&Disp=14#C14

on a thread titled "BeAChooser Bozo Count at 40 Plus and Counting - A Possible Site Record" started by Minerva ... not exactly a friendly, welcoming thread. You posted a video of Clinton laughing after the Brown funeral. You admitted you were trying to get me started me on topic. It wasn't a friendly post. It had just the opposite intent. How do I know? Because your first post about me on that thread was post #11 where you joked with Minerva as follows:

********************

#11. To: Minerva (#9)

"But isn't BAC a special case?"

Wow, he comes in a special koOk action case? Does he com with batteries too? ;-D

Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 22:30:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

********************

Then you posted to Morgana le Fay, who like Minerva, was on the thread trying to ridicule me:

**********

#12. To: Morgana le Fay (#10)

"yes bac is a special case, we won't do it to anyone else. promise."

Yep, if he was a movie he'd be called 'Bac to the Futile.'

Ferret Mike posted on 2007-02-19 22:37:53 ET

************

Not exactly friendly or welcoming.

And did I respond to that unpleasantness by being unpleasant? No, I ignored you.

And then your next post to me was this

************

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=48869&Disp=382#C382

#382. To: BeAChooser (#381)

"Will "crickets" be all I hear?"

Depends. If someone drops a coin in your head you will hear echos as the sound bounces around in an empty place.

Ferret Mike posted on 2007-04-10 13:09:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

*****************

Again, not very friendly. And again I ignored you.

The next thread where you posted to me was this one on a thread discussing the Pentagon damage on 9/11 where you threw out this:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49805&Disp=49#C49 "Thus I find your taunting airs disingenuous and insincere. No sale on your taunting of people because they are successfully made fearful of their jobs by the powers that be."

My response to all this unpleasantness was

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=49805&Disp=67#C67

which provided you a link to a source discussing "Who is Colonel Donn de Grand-Pre?". You and BTP Holdings were discussing his theory about a cruise missile doing the damage. Mine was not an unfriendly post ... just a link filled with facts. I guess in your mind the fact that those facts might cause you to doubt your opinion of Mr Grand-Pre was unfriendly. ROTFLOL!

In any case, that's when you starting posting disinformation thinking you were posting truth.

You posted this, for example:

**********

#88. To: BeAChooser (#87) (Edited)

Not convincing. Those engines so large and heavy should have a strong impact signature against the building, and/or have made considerable damage to the lawn and exterior impact effected area by their own right.

But all we see is an undersized hole allegedly created by the aluminum bubble of a fuselage.

We hear unreasonable crap about how much of the jet was disintegrated in the fire that had the odor of burning explosives early on as per comments of many of the survivors, not jet fuel.

This small impact signature was from a missile or small jet rigged with explosives, not from a large jetliner which would have had tonnes of engine metal battering the building and left a huge volume of torn apart fuselage all over the lawn from the lighter structural material of the fuselage the was torn apart and spread as the elements of high material mass pierced the building.

It is just unreasonable to pretend this lighter material would be spread so differently in this alleged jet impact when it has never happened in other aviation disasters.

Ferret Mike posted on 2007-04-11 14:53:2

************

Never mind that I had already posted photos proving that the engines created a big signature (a hole) in the building wall. Never mind that I had already shown that one wouldn't expect a damaged lawn given the size of the plane and the fact that the lawn being discussed was on the upstream side of the impact hole. Never mind that I'd already posted pictures proving that the hole wasn't undersized and logic explaining why it was the size it was (because some portions of the wings contained fuel and other portions didn't). I can't help it if you started off our association on this forum by simply ignoring all those photos and the logic in posts that preceded your post. You had your eyes closed to anything I posted from the very beginning. You didn't like my response to the disinformation you posted. Let me quote it: "you will not find the truth on a foundation of misinformation and lies."

On multiple threads on multiple subjects now, you've made claims that I've proven are false using sourced photos, links to credible engineering and science professionals, and sound logic. I understand that you don't like that.

But don't go acting like you were nice to begin with or that you EVER bothered to try and read/understand any posts I've made. You've never opened your eyes since that first contact. And that's not my fault. That says something about you.

I have yet to see you provide me with evidence of anything we have discussed that debunks what I believe. And I absolutely scroll by spam,

Like I said, you've never opened your eyes once because your 9/11 *truth movement" filter is securely in place.

I have also demonstrably shown you fit well into the definition of a fuckwit and explained in great detail why and how you act like one.

And here was my response to your unpleasant assertion for those who missed it:

******************

I move you be terminated as a 'fuckwit,' banning fuckwits has always ben a sound forum management practice.

From the source linked below:

"Fuckwits park on pavements and in disabled parking spaces when they are not entitled to do so.

Don't believe I've ever done something as uncouth as that. For all you know, I might even be disabled.

Fuckwits always believe they have 'right of way'.

No, I'm an extremely courteous driver. In fact, I ALWAYS drive defensively. And I usually give others the right of way in hallways, on sidewalks, when entering or exiting elevators ... and I never cut lines.

Fuckwits drop litter in the street.

Never. Why I've even been known to pick up other folks litter.

Fuckwits only generally care about themselves and this is evident in their overall attitude toward everything and everyone else.

People have been known to compliment my generousity. And I always say "you first".

Fuckwits always know absolutely everything in the history of everythingness.

I don't pretend to know everything. That's why I never call myself an expert in any topic being discussed. I just do a little research and let others speak for me.

Fuckwits talk lots and listen little.

I listen. Which is why I always respond to posts and often respond line by line to their content. That is getting more difficult to do around here since christine cut me back to 15 posts a day, though. ROTFLOL!

Fuckwits never allow evidence to prevent them continuing to be a fuckwit.

I'm not the one refusing to discuss the facts in this thread.

Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed.

And by the way, does http://www.fuckwit.info/whatis.htm say anything about rudeness?

*************

You decide on how you will behave and if you are obnoxious in attitude and how you comport yourself

Says the guy who starts a thread like this, implies I'm gay (because HE thinks that's a very bad thing to be) even when he knows nothing about me, calls me labels like "fuckwit", and, yes indeedie, calls for my banning just because I don't agree with him about certain issues and have proven he's posted a lot of disinformation on those issues.

As far as your amusing attempt to put me on the defensive concerning gays, lesbians and trans-gender people, do a search alllll the way back to the starting point of mine at LP. I was there before you and I have never changed.

You mean you've felt this way about gays for quite a while? So whatever has created this homophobia is not something that happened since joining 4um or LP. Well that's reassuring. I wouldn't want to end up like you.

I have always defended the rights of homosexuals and consider homosexuality to be well within the range of normal human sexuality. And have always said so.

Then why use the word as an adhominem? But ok ... I'm willing to take your word for that. So if you never accuse me of being gay again, you and I can move on to talking about something else. Fair enough?

that know me well as someone who has helped cut up homophobic people

Strange. I haven't seen you do that at 4um where you are not the only person who has used the gay label as an adhominem to attack me. I don't believe even once you raised your voice in protest. I will say a couple others did.

Any way you try to put me on that defensive, you are screwed Jack, tell ya that from the get go. My credentials in that department are unimpeachable.

Which is why you go around using accusations of being gay as an adhominem?

And weren't you trying to put me on the defensive with that accusation?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-17   20:58:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BeAChooser (#31)

Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed.

Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-18   15:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: nolu_chan, ALL (#35)

Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel.

Here is a Steven Jones' distortion and lie filled slide show presentation from his website:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/DrJonesTalksatISUPhysicsDepartment.pdf

Take a look at page 26 and you will find this slide:

Now look very carefully at that slide.

It's title is "Previously molten-metal from WTC, ...

Not convinced yet?

Well look at the white text on the lower right corner of the slide.

"Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. Access to the SLAG sample should be made available to appropriate physicists in order to conduct non-destruction X-ray Flouresence tests and other forms of examination, which should reveal evidence of the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Based on these tests, we further demand two small samples (about the size of a fist) be extracted from this large piece for further scientific analysis" -- Scholars for 9/11 Truth petition

I have news for *Dr* Jones. A LIAR is in no position to DEMAND anything of anyone.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-18   22:06:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: BeAChooser, Ferret Mike (#36)

[BAC #31 to Ferret Mike] Tell me, FM, do you think this is slag from a pool of molten steel? That's what Ex-Professor Jones claimed.

[nc question] Could you please show where Dr. Jones has called that slag from a pool of molten steel.

[BAC] Now look very carefully at that slide.

It's title is "Previously molten-metal from WTC, ...

Not convinced yet?

No, not convinced yet. What you have provided does not even purport that Dr. Jones, or anyone else, stated that the pictured matter is "slag from a pool of molten steel." Indeed, there is no mention of molten steel or even molten iron.

[BAC] Well look at the white text on the lower right corner of the slide.

"Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City. Access to the SLAG sample should be made available to appropriate physicists in order to conduct non-destruction X-ray Flouresence tests and other forms of examination, which should reveal evidence of the cause of the collapse of the Twin Towers. Based on these tests, we further demand two small samples (about the size of a fist) be extracted from this large piece for further scientific analysis" -- Scholars for 9/11 Truth petition

I have news for *Dr* Jones. A LIAR is in no position to DEMAND anything of anyone.

I have looked at the text and find no allusion to molten steel or molten iron. There is only recitation that eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record "suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held...."

There is no quote of Dr. Jones ever making so much as an allusion to any amount of molten steel, much less a pool of molten steel. Indeed, in all of your alleged supporting evidence for your assertion, there is not one mention of "molten steel" or any "pool of molten steel" by anybody.

You have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones has ever asserted the existence of a "pool of molten steel," just as you have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones claimed the pictured material "is slag from a pool of molten steel."

Your picture only tends to support the apparently accurate contention that "Eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held at Hanger 17 of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City."

Clearly, BAC is the LIAR and is in no position to position to be taken seriously.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-19   4:35:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: nolu_chan, Ferret Mike, ALL (#38)

I have looked at the text and find no allusion to molten steel or molten iron. There is only recitation that eyewitness testimony and a substantiating photographic record "suggest that a large sample of SLAG from the World Trade Center is being held...."

There is no quote of Dr. Jones ever making so much as an allusion to any amount of molten steel, much less a pool of molten steel. Indeed, in all of your alleged supporting evidence for your assertion, there is not one mention of "molten steel" or any "pool of molten steel" by anybody.

You have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones has ever asserted the existence of a "pool of molten steel," just as you have failed to provide one scintilla of evidence that Dr. Jones claimed the pictured material "is slag from a pool of molten steel."

ROTFLOL!

Thanks for proving exactly what I've been saying about the utter denial of facts by proponents of the so-called *truth* movement.

You know full well that Jones' whole thesis is premised on the claim there was molten STEEL (or iron, if you like) ... pools of it ... in the WTC rubble and it was there because thermite melted the steel members in the WTC towers. The slide presentation I linked you is filled with photos and discussion about tests for thermite and its use to melt through the steel columns to bring the structures down. In every article or speech Jones has given, his claim has been that thermite was used to cut through the steel at the WTC and resulted in "pools" of the stuff being found at that site. It's filled with arguments ruling out aluminum and office furnishings as the source of the slag and any pools of metal.

He states in his key paper "Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?" that "as hypothesized below, thermite reactions may well have resulted in substantial quantities (observed in pools) of molten iron at very high temperatures - initially above 2000 C (3632 F)." and "Thus, molten metal was repeatedly observed and formally reported in the rubble piles of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, metal that looked like molten steel or perhaps iron."

His paper contains a picture of the same chunk of debris he identified in his slide presentation as SLAG, and says this about it: "The following photograph has become available, evidently showing the now-solidified metal with entrained material, stored (as of November 2005) in a warehouse in New York ... snip ... The abundance of iron (as opposed to aluminum) in this material is indicated by the reddish rust observed. Later the report states "Who can deny that liquid, molten metal existed at the WTC disaster? The yellow color implies a molten-metal temperature of approximately 1000 C, evidently above that which the dark-smoke hydrocarbon fires in the Towers could produce. If aluminum (e.g., from the plane) had melted, it would melt and flow away from the heat source at its melting point of about 650 C and thus would not reach the yellow color observed for this molten metal. Thus, molten aluminum is already ruled out with high probability. But molten iron with the characteristics seen in this video is in fact consistent with a thermite-reaction attacking the steel columns in the Tower, thus weakening the building just prior to its collapse, since thermite produces molten iron at yellow-to-white hot temperatures."

For you to even suggest he hasn't claimed there were pools of molten steel or that he wasn't suggesting that chunk of debris was slag from such a pool, only proves you are utterly beyond reason, NC. But then that describes the *truth* movement, in general. So thanks again for proving it. I could ask for a better straight man. At some point in any discussion with you, all one can do is laugh. ROTFLOL!

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-19   14:22:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: BeAChooser (#39)

NOTICE: Because BeAChooser has been shown to repeatedly post spam and falsehoods, continued substantive response to his posts, including this one, is considered a waste of time. This NOTICE is the standard response to all BAC blather.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-19 18:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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