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9/11 See other 9/11 Articles Title: Breakthrough? Pentagon Explosions At 9:32 - 'Jetliner' Impact At 9:45 A witness - Jeff, the adult son of a General and brother to the aide of a General - was in a 30th floor apartment south of the Pentagon watching the twin towers burning on television. His attention was drawn to the window when "five minutes before the crash" he saw an F-16 flying with a C-130 pass by his window near the Pentagon. (His account is quoted below) This confirms what Barbara Honegger says about Gen. Larry Arnold of NORAD sending an intecepter to check the Pentagon after the explosions at 9:32 a.m. Now note that Barbara Honegger tells how a jet fighter was sent to examine the damage to the Pentagon after the 9:32 a.m. explosions to check for damage -- before the official impact time of 9:45 (later revised to 9:37) Her account: In the Air Force's own account of the events of 9/11, Air War Over America, the North American AerospaceDefense Command (NORAD) general who finally ordered interceptor jets scrambled on 9/11, although too late, Gen.Larry Arnold, revealed that he ordered one of his jets to fly down low over the Pentagon shortly after the attack therethat morning, and that this pilot reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building. Thisfighter jet-not Flight 77-is almost certainly the plane seen on the Dulles airport Air Traffic Controller's screenmaking a steep, high-speed 270-degree descent before disappearing from the radar. [When a plane flies low enoughto go undetected, it is said to be "under the radar."] Military pilots-like the one sent by Gen. Arnold on 9/11 to reporton the Pentagon's damage-are trained to fly 500 feet above ground in order to evade radar detection. In fact, whenthe Air Traffic Controller responsible for the plane and her colleagues watched the extremely difficult 270-degreemaneuver on her screen, they were certain that the plane whose blip they were watching perform this extremelydifficult feat was a US military aircraft, and said so at the time. It almost certainly was. Thus, the likely reason the Pentagon has refused to lower the current official time for "Flight 77" impact,9:37, to 9:32 am-the actual time of the first explosions there-is that they decided to pretend the blip represented byArnold's surveillance jet approaching just before 9:37 was "Flight 77." As the official cover story claims that thealleged 9:37 impact was the only Pentagon attack that morning, yet by the time Arnold's surveillance jet arrived onthe scene the violent event had already happened, the Pentagon cannot acknowledge the earlier 9:32 time withoutrevealing an attack on the building prior to the alleged impact. It is significant that the The 9/11 Commission Report ignoreIn the Air Force's own account of the events of 9/11, Air War Over America, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) general who finally ordered interceptor jets scrambled on 9/11, although too late, Gen. Larry Arnold, revealed that he ordered one of his jets to fly down low over the Pentagon shortly after the attack there that morning, and that this pilot reported back that there was no evidence that a plane had hit the building. This fighter jet -not Flight 77- is almost certainly the plane seen on the Dulles airport Air Traffic Controller's screen making a steep, high-speed 270-degree descent before disappearing from the radar. [When a plane flies low enough to go undetected, it is said to be "under the radar."] Military pilots -like the one sent by Gen. Arnold on 9/11 to report on the Pentagon's damage- are trained to fly 500 feet above ground in order to evade radar detection. In fact, when the Air Traffic Controller responsible for the plane and her colleagues watched the extremely difficult 270-degree maneuver on her screen, they were certain that the plane whose blip they were watching perform this extremely difficult feat was a US military aircraft, and said so at the time. It almost certainly was. Thus, the likely reason the Pentagon has refused to lower the current official time for "Flight 77" impact, 9:37, to 9:32 am -the actual time of the first explosions there- is that they decided to pretend the blip represented by Arnold's surveillance jet approaching just before 9:37 was "Flight 77." As the official cover story claims that the alleged 9:37 impact was the only Pentagon attack that morning, yet by the time Arnold's surveillance jet arrived on the scene the violent event had already happened, the Pentagon cannot acknowledge the earlier 9:32 time without revealing an attack on the building prior to the alleged impact. -------------- Now here is the statement by witness Jeff in which he says he saw the F-16 fly by the Pentagon five minutes before he saw the jetliner approach the Pentagon and, he says, crash. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/8617 I was on the 30th floor of a building in Crystal City with an unobstructed view of the Pentagon on 9/11. I watched a C130 cargo plane flying very low come right by the building I was in and over the Pentagon followed shortly by a fighter aircraft. It got everyone's attention and brought all of us to the window. Approximately 5 minutes later I watched the airliner come over the highway and hit the side of the Pentagon. I know the difference between a cruise missile and a Plane. I also watched the live news coverage of the twin towers that morning and saw the second plane turn and hit the building( Live Coverage ) . I also saw the video you are talking about. I will assume that since you are so informed that you also saw the same slow motion version that I did of the second tower being hit and watching the plane slowly dissolve into the building. ( I'm sure that was done with computers and special effects to add to the conspiracy. ) And there is no gas station across the street from the Pentagon or for that matter anywhere within the line of site of the building. Maybe you should climb out of the cave you live in and take a trip to D.C. and see for yourself. I drive the area 2 to three times a week. As far as air defenses, Nobody new for sure what planes were a threat and no official wanted to pull the trigger on a passenger airliner. And how would you explain all the grieving families of the passengers on those planes. Oh wait, I know, the planes were shot down by fighters before the military shot a missile into the pentagon and blew up the twin towers with explosives. Oops, now the air traffic controllers are involved in the conspiracy too. Unless the military used stealth fighters that the air traffic controllers couldn't see on radar and also figured out how to slow a cruise missile down to airliner speed and put wings and windows on it to full idiots like me who saw it hit the building in broad daylight. I truly question the intelligence of anybody who can look at these events and come to the conclusions that you have. You are asserting a conspiracy that would involve Hundreds if not thousands of people. I must also be part of the conspiracy since I, according to you, am lying about what I saw with my own eyes. You are also asserting that people in our military would knowingly kill American citizens without question and everyone is now keeping this secret. Are you really that ignorant. My father is a retired Brigadier General and my brother is a Lt. Colonel in the Airforce and an executive officer to a Four Star General on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I can assure you that they are not robots and they do not follow orders blindly. You need to get a grip on reality. As far as bodies found or not found, you may want to check the numbers on the temperature that jet fuel burns at and also the physics of what would happen to an Aluminum aircraft hitting a 2 ft. thick concrete wall at 400 MPH. Wake up and take off your blinders. People like you are very scary and not very smart. When you read all of this conspiracy crap, you really need to sit down and think it through. The average person can do this in just a few seconds, but you may need to take a little more time with it. Please don't bore me with a response, because if none of this makes sense to you, it never will. You may also want to sit down and thank all of those evil military people. Without them, you wouldn't have the freedom to voice your scary views.....Jeff see all of my correspondence with Jeff here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/8617 - Dick Eastman
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"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi
I posted this threat on FR the morning of 9/11. Note the time I posted, 9:44 AM. Now it had to take me at least 30 seconds to post the article and check to see if it had already been posted. Add MSNBC's delay in reporting, there is no way in hell the official time was 9:45 Link to FR thread Possible Explosion at Pentagon - NBC News (Sept. 11, 2001) Posted on 09/11/2001 9:44:02 AM EDT by RCW2001 Possible Explosion at Pentagon - NBC News - Jim Miklaszowski reporting live from the Pentagon... Developing... Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Wow!
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
Here is another 'first report of explosion' from FR at 9:42 AM: Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
That is only significant if the server clock was correct.
God is always good! Wow again!
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77 Flight 77 crashed into the western side of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, just south of Washington, D.C. at 09:37:44 EDT,[15]
There seems to be more than one opinion about the time: http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive#Sept11 BTW, this is a very cool website: http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive CNN reports 9:43: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/ Wiki and others 9:37:46 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks More oddities about the time: http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/911.html 92) 9:37 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 is lost from radar screens and impacts the western side of the Pentagon. The section of the Pentagon hit consists mainly of newly renovated, unoccupied offices. The Pentagon says American Airlines Flight 77 hits them at 9:37. Other published reports have American Airlines Flight 77 striking at 9:40 to 9:43; The New York Times even published 9:45 (see 9:24 a.m. # 75). NORAD says the F-16’s from Langley were still 105 miles and 12 minutes away. This means their average flight speed was only 14.3% of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175. If these F-16’s flew at top speed, they would have been there just after 9:37. Langley is 130 miles from the Pentagon. F-16's have a top speed of 1500 MPH. Minus 105 miles left from 130 miles equals 25 miles covered in the 7 minutes from 9:30 take-off to 9:37. 60 minutes divided by 7 minutes equals 8.57, times this by the 25 miles covered, equals 214.3 MPH. divided by 1500 MPH equals 14.3% of their top speed. How could these two F-15’s possibly be going one seventh of their top speed in trying to intercept American Airlines Flight 77? Even the story about first flying to NYC does not account for this unbelievably slow speed because they got the message to redirect to Washington D.C. within a couple of minutes of take-off, and NYC and Washington D.C. are almost exactly the same direction (north) from Langley. http://www.standdown.net/noradseptember182001pressrelease.htm
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
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