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Title: Rudy looks bad beside a real Republican
Source: Star Ledger
URL Source: http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mu ... -0/1179377308168410.xml&coll=1
Published: May 17, 2007
Author: Paul Mulshine
Post Date: 2007-05-18 02:17:11 by mirage
Keywords: None
Views: 133
Comments: 9

I've already said who I'm endorsing for the Republican nomination for president: Ron Paul, the congressman from Texas who seems to be the sole GOP contender who has actually read the Constitution.

Now let me tell you who I'm not supporting: Rudy Giuliani. At that debate in South Carolina the other night, Giuliani revealed an ignorance so vast that he should consider dropping out of politics and perhaps becoming a Fox News commentator.

The incident occurred after Paul, a physician who is known as Dr. No because of his penchant for voting against bills he considers unconstitutional, was asked a question about the Iraq war: "Are you out of step with your party?"

Paul proceeded to give the audience -- and his fellow candidates -- a brief history of the policy of noninterventionism that was standard GOP fare until the party made the mistake of electing presidents named Bush:

"Sen. Robert Taft didn't even want to be in NATO ... Republicans were elected to end the Korean War. The Republicans were elected to end the Vietnam War. There's a strong tradition of being anti-war in the Republican Party. It is the constitutional position. It is the advice of the founders to follow a noninterventionist foreign policy, stay out of entangling alliances ..."

This is common knowledge to those of us who read books. Yet the questioner, Wendell Goler of Fox News, seemed so amazed by it that he granted Paul more time to expound on it. "Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us?" said Paul. "They attack us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East -- I think Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics."

Again, Paul was stating the ob vious. And again, Goler seemed so amazed that he resorted to a favorite tack of the Fox News crowd, the stupid question: "Are you suggesting that we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?" Goler asked.

"I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it," Paul re plied. "And they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, 'I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.'"At this point, Giuliani jumped in. "That's an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explana tions for Sept. 11."

Has any candidate ever expressed so much ignorance in so few words? If so, he must be a Democrat. First of all, Paul didn't say the U.S. "invited" the attack; it was Goler who used that term. But as to Paul's assertion that there was a connection between our bombing of Iraq and bin Laden's decision to attack the United States: Of course there was. Giuli ani is simply too clueless to be president if at this late date he is unaware that immediately after the 9/11 attacks bin Laden released a videotape citing our bombing of Iraq as a reason for his actions.

Actually I doubt whether Giuli ani made that remark out of stupidity. It was pure demagoguery. He realized he could get a cheap round of applause from the red- state rubes by adopting his strongman pose.

Giuliani's unfortunate penchant for endorsing the naked exercise of state power has won him comparisons to Mussolini from the libertarians who back Paul. But that comparison is unfair -- to Mussolini. For all his flaws, Il Duce was at least a fervent nationalist. Giuliani is part of the open-borders crowd.

Giuliani was lucky that Goler cut him off before he got to make that point in his own words. In an apparent reference to some future terrorists, Giuliani said, "They are coming ..." before his mike went dead.

He was almost certainly going to launch into the most idiotic ar gument in modern political debate: "If we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight them over here."

Well, we won't have to fight them over here if we don't let them in. When he was New York City mayor, Giuliani went all the way to the Supreme Court to defend his "sanctuary" plan for illegals. And like all the other leading GOP contenders, he supports that amnesty- that-dare-not-speak-its-name.

Paul is for closing the borders and enforcing immigration law. It's no wonder the party hacks are talking about excluding him from future debates. If he's going to keep spouting Republican ideas in a Republican primary election, that just isn't fair to candidates like Giuliani.


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#1. To: mirage (#0)

Giuliani revealed an ignorance so vast that he should consider dropping out of politics and perhaps becoming a Fox News commentator.

Dang, that's hitting below the belt!

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2007-05-18   2:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: mirage (#0)

Well said.

Ditto to that. Also, Rudy is Israel’s favorite candidate, so that puts him on my shit list.

karelian  posted on  2007-05-18   2:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Neil McIver (#1)

Fox can't pay enough. He made $16 million last year for a few speeches and letting some sleazbo law firms put his name on their stationery.

Check out the polls in NYC, where he was supposedly popular. Hardly anyone would vote for him for dogcatcher. He backed out of the senate race with Clinton because he knew he would get slaughtered, not for some health thing. He didn't want TV ads showing him calling his wife and kids every name in the book because they refused to move out of the mayor's mansion so he could move in with his girlfriend.

Not to mention the weird sex stories that the papers were speculating about.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-05-18   2:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mirage (#0)

immediately after the 9/11 attacks bin Laden released a videotape citing our bombing of Iraq as a reason for his actions.

...some help here, please; I'm in need of enlightenment: I thought that, after the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden issued a statement denying any connection with that horror. Either I'm wrong or Paul Mulshine is wrong.

Bub  posted on  2007-05-18   9:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Bub (#4)

You're right. The actual bin Laden denied involvement shortly after our glorious "inside job." His al-CIAda double made a tape in December 2001 taking credit for it. But the double didn't look much like the real one. I'll give credit to Saddam for having hired better doubles of himself than the CIA could find for ObL.

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-05-18   9:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Bub (#4)

I thought that, after the 9/11 attacks, bin Laden issued a statement denying any connection with that horror. Either I'm wrong or Paul Mulshine is wrong.

He did when he saw the US Military gearing up and then backpedaled on it claiming credit for the attacks once he saw that our Government can't really do anything.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-05-18   12:47:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mirage (#0)

Giuliani revealed an ignorance so vast that he should consider dropping out of politics and perhaps becoming a Fox News commentator.

That was laugh out loud funny! LOL

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   12:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Hayek Fan (#7)

perhaps becoming a Fox News commentator.

Fox News Corp. is a client of Rude G.

He has represented and lobbied for them before this government.

Somewhat akin to an incestuous relationship.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-18   13:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

Fox News Corp. is a client of Rude G.

He has represented and lobbied for them before this government.

Somewhat akin to an incestuous relationship.

I know one thing. I was watching some show on Fox with that leftist RINO Fred Barnes, a chick named Nina something or other whose husband works for McCain, and Charles "the ghoul" krauthammer concerning the debates a couple of days ago. I can't remember who the host was, but if Giuliani had been in that room, all of them would have been on their knees ready to perform oral sex on him

I turned it after they called Ron Paul a leftist. The man has 18 years of being ranking 1st or 2nd as the most conservative member of Congress and they fucking call him a leftist. Unbelieveable how disingenious they are.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   13:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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