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Title: Focus on the Family founder says he won't vote for Giuliani
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6533823
Published: May 18, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-05-18 11:52:27 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 377
Comments: 27

Associated Press - May 17, 2007 9:03 PM ET

An evangelical Christian leader says he won't vote for Rudy Giuliani if the former New York mayor wins the Republican presidential nomination.

In an online column for WorldNetDaily, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson calls Guiliani an "unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand" and domestic-partnership benefits. Dobson adds that there are other "moral concerns" with Giuliani, including that he's on his third marriage to "his mistress" from his second marriage and "appears not to have remorse for cheating on his wife."

Dobson said he was speaking as a private citizen, but his words carry considerable weight with the some seven million listeners to his radio broadcasts.

Dobson previously said he won't back John McCain because of the Arizona senator's sponsorship of campaign finance reform and opposition to a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

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#1. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

ghouli is so unelectable that it's laughable bump

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-18   11:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Dobson can break Giuliani and McCain, then the only 'major' GOP left is Romney.

[I know, Ron Paul is in the race too but, let's face it, 70-80% of the GOPs continue to support Bush and 'the War'. RP can't be a significant player in a GOP-only race.]

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   11:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

An evangelical Christian leader says he won't vote for Rudy Giuliani if the former New York mayor wins the Republican presidential nomination.

I'm skeptical of that statement. Maybe he thinks now that he wouldn't vote for Il Duce Giuliani. But, if Giuliani gets the GOP nomination, I wonder if a chucklehead like Dobson is capable of not voting for him. If voting Republican isn't actually a hardwired behavior with Dobson and his ilk, it is at least an extremely-ingrained habit.

I do wish that those who have a following within the church would figure out that their place is to teach Christians to think biblically, and let them apply those principles to all areas of life, including the political. Instead, they furrow the brow over whether to "support" this or that particular politico. Bah, humbug!

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Enderby  posted on  2007-05-18   12:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Before he can compete in the general election, Giuliani must first win the GOP primary. This is where Dobson's opposition could break him.

In the general election, Dobson will probably issue no endorsement if Giuliani or McCain win.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   12:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

[I know, Ron Paul is in the race too but, let's face it, 70-80% of the GOPs continue to support Bush and 'the War'. RP can't be a significant player in a GOP-only race.]

I'm not so sure - yesterday at the dentist, everyone was most interested in learning of someone who would eliminate the IRS, the CIA, and bring our troops home.

They were given the deception dollars and one dollar dvd's.

It's up to us to do what we can to enlighten everyone with whom we come in contact.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-18   12:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is that it would be A LOT HARDER for Ron Paul to win the GOP nomination that it would be for him to win a general election. There is A LOT MORE support for the war and other Bush policies in the GOP than you can find in the general population.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   12:13:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

An evangelical Christian leader says he won't vote for Rudy Giuliani if the former New York mayor wins the Republican presidential nomination

Long time to election. Perhaps Rude G. would be better off explaining himself rather than digging a hole by gunning for Paul.

Just perhaps his mouth will be his undoing.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-18   12:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My point is that it would be A LOT HARDER for Ron Paul to win the GOP nomination that it would be for him to win a general election. There is A LOT MORE support for the war and other Bush policies in the GOP than you can find in the general population.

Agree.

The controllers will do everything in their power to deny Dr. Paul the nomination.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-18   12:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Focus on the Family founder says he won't vote for Giuliani

He'll vote for whoever the RP puts in front of his party over principle ass. He'd vote for Hillary, Saddam Hussein, or Ossama bin Laden if they ran for office with a "R" behind their name.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   12:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is about the GOP primaries, not the general election.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   12:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

An evangelical Christian leader says he won't vote for Rudy Giuliani if the former New York mayor wins the Republican presidential nomination.

I beg your pardon, but this (Dobson's claim) is about the general election.

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Enderby  posted on  2007-05-18   12:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder if a chucklehead like Dobson is capable of not voting for him.

oh, i'm quite certain he will.

christine  posted on  2007-05-18   12:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is meant to signal his strong opposition to Giuliani. It's a lot stronger than saying that he won't support him during the primaries. The statement is meant to prevent Giuliani from winning the nomination.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   12:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is meant to signal his strong opposition to Giuliani. It's a lot stronger than saying that he won't support him during the primaries. The statement is meant to prevent Giuliani from winning the nomination

You may be right about this being the reason why he is saying it at this time, but after rereading the article I still come away with the notion that he was speaking about the general election.

In the end, I believe he will vote for whomever wins the RP primaries.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   12:52:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't see Dobson openly supporting Giuliani during the general election unless Giuliani openly promises to fight abortions.

The 'post primaries' season is where 'the 2 candidates' are supposed to 'run to the center'. It's also when the influence of a Dobson is greatly diminished because 'the opponent' is even worse so there is no alternative. The fight for things such as abortion takes place before the party's convention and nomination show.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   12:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I still come away with the notion that he was speaking about the general election.

Obviously, he was speaking about that but the end result would be to give Giuliani trouble winning his party's nomination. He may have to write off the 'bible belt' states if Dobson maintains his opposition and states it loudly and often.

If Giuliani wins the GOP nomination, it is likely that the vast majority of his delegates would come from 'blue states'. It would be actually interesting to watch a GOP convention where the candidate with the most delegates had them coming from states that the GOP could not hope to win in the general election. Now, THAT would be a nice spectacle because the MSM would probably notice the anomaly and would endlessly question the delegates on the topic because there are very few interesting events at these scripted shows.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   13:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Dobson calls Guiliani an "unapologetic supporter of abortion on demand" and domestic-partnership benefits. Dobson adds that there are other "moral concerns" with Giuliani, including that he's on his third marriage to "his mistress" from his second marriage and "appears not to have remorse for cheating on his wife."

But the Bush regime should continue the torture and genocide in Iraq. Dobson has no opinion about that.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-18   13:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But the Bush regime should continue the torture and genocide in Iraq.

I was dumbstricken when every candidate but McCain and Paul advocated torture. Of course they called it by a different name, but then they call amnesty by a different name also. I never thought that I would hear any national politician actually endorese something so obviously unAmerican. What more, I never thought I'd hear a crowd of Americans cheer in support.

I am completely out of touch with modern America.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   13:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know what Dobson's position on Bush's war may be. I suspect that he is supporting Bush because, he believes, Bush is nominating more judges that are opposed to abortion and pro-family and abortion and family issues are his main concerns. That's probably why his organization is called 'FOCUS on the FAMILY'.

I believe that most anti-war organizations, that are focused on ending the Iraq war, don't care much about limiting abortions or lowering the divorce rate.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   13:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obviously, he was speaking about that but the end result would be to give Giuliani trouble winning his party's nomination. He may have to write off the 'bible belt' states if Dobson maintains his opposition and states it loudly and often.

Well I hope it works. Out of all the candidates running, both D and R, I believe the Giuliani is the most dangerous for the country.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   13:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nevertheless, his own position is absolutely non-negotiable. As an adherent of the classic Augustinian "just war" theory, he is convinced that this is a case where the biblical and theological justifications for the use of force are fairly obvious.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gaddy/gaddy18.html

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-18   13:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Indeed, Giuliani would provide a rather smooth slide down the totalitarian slope. But, let's not forget that we may very well have a contest where Giuliani represented the GOP, Hillary were the selected Demo and Bloomberg was sitting right in the middle. All three Godless, amoral, fish-eyed totalitarians.

That would be a nice a la carte menu for the American voters to make.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   13:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Indeed, Giuliani would provide a rather smooth slide down the totalitarian slope. But, let's not forget that we may very well have a contest where Giuliani represented the GOP, Hillary were the selected Demo and Bloomberg was sitting right in the middle. All three Godless, amoral, fish-eyed totalitarians.

That would be a nice a la carte menu for the American voters to make.

I have lost all faith in the American people. Out of the above three, I think the American people would vote for the one promising them the most goodies. Except the the party ideologues of course. They are going to vote for their party's regardless of who the candidates are.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2007-05-18   13:33:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you for the interesting article. Is Dobson still making statements in support of the Iraq war? I am not following his organization much.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   13:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The event was a meeting of the Council for National Policy, a secretive club whose few hundred members include Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, the Rev. Jerry Falwell of Liberty University and Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. Although little known outside the conservative movement, the council has become a pivotal stop for Republican presidential primary hopefuls, including George W. Bush on the eve of his 1999 primary campaign.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/us/politics/25secret.html?ex=1179633600&en=cae6bab5895363e0&ei=5070

He's on the same page with the late Rev. Jerry Falwell. His position on the war has not changed.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-18   13:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well... if he can help knock off McCain and Giuliani, I'm not complaining.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-05-18   14:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do wish that those who have a following within the church would figure out that their place is to teach Christians to think biblically, and let them apply those principles to all areas of life, including the political. Instead, they furrow the brow over whether to "support" this or that particular politico. Bah, humbug!

I'll second that.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-18   15:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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