Here's what I posted the last time Rosie's nonsense was posted here:
She starts out by claiming that "ALL" the steel was removed and shipped off to "Canada" ... er ... "China", "right away". She says there is no metal to test. That is absolutely false. Hundreds of structural engineers and other investigators had plenty of time to visit the WTC site and see the steel insitu, before the steel was removed. Then it went to Fresh Kill where again they got to examine it and retain those samples they considered important to understanding what happened. And tens of thousands of pieces of steel are still being retained for historical purposes and future studies. Rosie is either uninformed or a partisan liar.
Next, in the video, she says that WTC 7 "got hit by nothing". She's either uninformed or a liar. It got hit by significant amounts of debris from the collapse of the towers. That debris ripped a huge hole out of the south side of building. According to the firemen who where on the scene, a 20 story high hole.
Then she claims there were "pools of molten steel" under all three buildings. Well I challenge you to name a single eyewitness who has actually and verifiably used the word "pool" to describe what they saw. I challenge you to name a single expert in fire or steel who says finding molten steel was impossible given the circumstances. I challenge you to tell us what kept any steel that was molten, molten for over 6 weeks after the collapse. Rosie seems to think it was bombs. Show me how that might work.
Next, she claims it took the towers "9 seconds" to fall and that is the same as "free-fall". Well her claim is FALSE. From numerous credible sources (including actual videos of the collapse which one can time) one can learn that the towers actually took about 15 seconds to collapse. One can look at hundreds of still images of the collapses and immediately see that there was debris free-falling much faster than the collapsing level of the towers were descending. She surely has to have seen these images. So Rosie is either a liar or hasn't bothered to apply the least bit of thought to interpreting what she saw or the least bit of energy into investigating the issue.
So not only do professionals in the areas of structures, demolition, materials, fire or macro-world physics NOT agree with Rosie. The facts of the matter don't either. All she is really doing is hurting the effort to find out what really happened on 9/11. There are good questions to ask but if *truthers* make no effort to stop idiots like Rosie from muddying the water with nonsense and lies, you will never find the truth. People like her are the *truth* movement's worst enemy.
And in anticipation of nolu_chan's "notice", let me add:
: Truth Movement members almost seem unable to post articles that aren't deceptive or contain outright lies about what happened to the WTC structures and the Pentagon. And they seem to have particular trouble dealing with visual materials that prove their claims false. Why is that?
They continue to claim the towers collapsed in 10 seconds when video clearly shows they took 15 seconds to collapse. They continue to claim the entrance hole in the Pentagon was less than 20 feet across when photos convincingly prove it was closer to 90 feet. They continue to make an assortment of similar, demonstrably false claims despite all efforts to get them to change their ways.
Why can't *truthers* face the truth? They (and we) will never find out what really happened on 9/11, if they can't do that. Because a *Truth Movement* cannot be founded on disinformation and outright lies. That should be obvious to all. But apparently they can't see that either. It is sad.
Actually I didnt.. my point being arguing every jot and tittle wasnt my point in posting this .. so you have no clue what I meant .. so I did not prove you 'point'
In the video, 911 Mysteries: Demolitions, at 42:30, it shows an in-uniform Port Authority cop stating, "You'd get below and you'd see molten steel. Molten steel running down the channel rims. Like you're in a foundry."
35:45 Let’s look carefully at the collapse itself. Notice the puffs of concrete issuing from the sides of the building well ahead of the collapse wave. Called “squibs” in demolition language, these are actual explosives – charges firing visibly through the exterior as gravity pulls the building down.
If you examine the available video of these puffs of concrete, you should take careful note of the manner in which they exit the building.
These puffs of dust and concrete happen in the reverse order of explosives. They exit the building and then increase in size over a short period. Almost as if they are being “squirted” out of the building.
As we stated before, explosives work the opposite way. The strongest point of an explosion is detonation. The dust cloud would then linger and perhaps disperse. It never increases its explosive strength over time.
As the buildings began to fall, a build-up of pressure caused a compression of air between floors. This pushed dust, smoke, debris and concrete out of small sections of the buildings side. NIST comments on this in their FAQ: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
“As stated in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, the falling mass of the building compressed the air ahead of it—much like the action of a piston—forcing smoke and debris out the windows as the stories below failed sequentially. These puffs were observed at many locations as the towers collapsed. In all cases, they had the appearance of jets of gas being pushed from the building through windows or between columns on the mechanical floors. Such jets are expected since the air inside the building is compressed as the tower falls and must flow somewhere as the pressure builds. It is significant that similar “puffs” were observed numerous times on the fire floors in both towers prior to their collapses, perhaps due to falling walls or portions of a floor. Puffs from WTC 1 were even observed when WTC 2 was struck by the aircraft. These observations confirm that even minor overpressures were transmitted through the towers and forced smoke and debris from the building.”
Matt Komorowski: “The first thing I really felt was the incredible rush of air at my back. And maybe I felt it before everybody else, because I was the last guy.”
Stone Phillips: “Like a gust of wind, behind you.”
Matt Komorowski: “Gust of wind. Wind tunnel. It was the most incredible push at your back, that you can feel.”
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These “squibs” also appear to be minimal in number and none are visible at the impact point. There is, however, ample evidence to suggest that the collapse of both towers was caused by the sagging trusses pulling the perimeter columns inwards.
So we are left with: a collapse that was not initiated by explosives, puffs of air that look nothing like explosions and aren't causing any visible structural damage; and explanations for the cause of these puffs of air and debris. Things do not look good for the “puffs = explosives” case right now.
Section 2.10.2
37:00 Shattering from the top, engulfed by banana-peel plumes, these were no ordinary implosions.
9/11 Mysteries has switched between implosions and explosions several times throughout the film.
Section 2.10.3
37:10 The Twin Towers each consisted of three multi-story buildings set on top of one another. To sustain the weight of so many floors, the “sky lobbies” had to be extra-heavily reinforced.
37:24 Watch a big squib coming from the sky-lobby band.
This alleged squib causes no visible damage to the sky-lobby band. A common answer to this remark is that “the explosion occurred within the building, therefore it is not visible”. The problem with that is the way in which the building collapsed. The core of each tower fell 15-20 seconds after the rest of the building. If explosions occurred deep within the building, the cores would have fallen down at the same time (or even before) the rest of the building. This did not happen.
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: Truth Movement members almost seem unable to post articles that aren't deceptive or contain outright lies about what happened to the WTC structures and the Pentagon. And they seem to have particular trouble dealing with visual materials that prove their claims false. Why is that?
They continue to claim the towers collapsed in 10 seconds when video clearly shows they took 15 seconds to collapse. They continue to claim the entrance hole in the Pentagon was less than 20 feet across when photos convincingly prove it was closer to 90 feet. They continue to make an assortment of similar, demonstrably false claims despite all efforts to get them to change their ways.
Why can't *truthers* face the truth? They (and we) will never find out what really happened on 9/11, if they can't do that. Because a *Truth Movement* cannot be founded on disinformation and outright lies. That should be obvious to all. But apparently they can't see that either. It is sad.
nolu_chan is particularly guilty of this behavior. He should thank me for pointing out errors in Truth Movement claims so they can be refined till they can stand up against all criticism. But instead, having tried and failed to challenge the sourced facts, logic and visual material that I've posted, he has decided to post a silly notice about me and then try to ignore what I post. That won't change the facts. It's not going to stop my correcting bogus claims when I see them. This will not do anything but make *truthers* look even more ridiculous and pathetic.