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Title: Rosie's new 9/11 theories: Steel moved, Command co
Source: You Tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0vJVhRocFQ
Published: May 20, 2007
Author: The View
Post Date: 2007-05-20 21:19:19 by Zipporah
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#1. To: Zipporah, nolu_chan, ALL (#0)

Here's what I posted the last time Rosie's nonsense was posted here:

She starts out by claiming that "ALL" the steel was removed and shipped off to "Canada" ... er ... "China", "right away". She says there is no metal to test. That is absolutely false. Hundreds of structural engineers and other investigators had plenty of time to visit the WTC site and see the steel insitu, before the steel was removed. Then it went to Fresh Kill where again they got to examine it and retain those samples they considered important to understanding what happened. And tens of thousands of pieces of steel are still being retained for historical purposes and future studies. Rosie is either uninformed or a partisan liar.

Next, in the video, she says that WTC 7 "got hit by nothing". She's either uninformed or a liar. It got hit by significant amounts of debris from the collapse of the towers. That debris ripped a huge hole out of the south side of building. According to the firemen who where on the scene, a 20 story high hole.

Then she claims there were "pools of molten steel" under all three buildings. Well I challenge you to name a single eyewitness who has actually and verifiably used the word "pool" to describe what they saw. I challenge you to name a single expert in fire or steel who says finding molten steel was impossible given the circumstances. I challenge you to tell us what kept any steel that was molten, molten for over 6 weeks after the collapse. Rosie seems to think it was bombs. Show me how that might work.

Next, she claims it took the towers "9 seconds" to fall and that is the same as "free-fall". Well her claim is FALSE. From numerous credible sources (including actual videos of the collapse which one can time) one can learn that the towers actually took about 15 seconds to collapse. One can look at hundreds of still images of the collapses and immediately see that there was debris free-falling much faster than the collapsing level of the towers were descending. She surely has to have seen these images. So Rosie is either a liar or hasn't bothered to apply the least bit of thought to interpreting what she saw or the least bit of energy into investigating the issue.

So not only do professionals in the areas of structures, demolition, materials, fire or macro-world physics NOT agree with Rosie. The facts of the matter don't either. All she is really doing is hurting the effort to find out what really happened on 9/11. There are good questions to ask but if *truthers* make no effort to stop idiots like Rosie from muddying the water with nonsense and lies, you will never find the truth. People like her are the *truth* movement's worst enemy.

And in anticipation of nolu_chan's "notice", let me add:

WARNING:: Truth Movement members almost seem unable to post articles that aren't deceptive or contain outright lies about what happened to the WTC structures and the Pentagon. And they seem to have particular trouble dealing with visual materials that prove their claims false. Why is that?

They continue to claim the towers collapsed in 10 seconds when video clearly shows they took 15 seconds to collapse. They continue to claim the entrance hole in the Pentagon was less than 20 feet across when photos convincingly prove it was closer to 90 feet. They continue to make an assortment of similar, demonstrably false claims despite all efforts to get them to change their ways.

Why can't *truthers* face the truth? They (and we) will never find out what really happened on 9/11, if they can't do that. Because a *Truth Movement* cannot be founded on disinformation and outright lies. That should be obvious to all. But apparently they can't see that either. It is sad.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-20   21:43:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BeAChooser (#1)

Who cares? I certainly dont..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-20   21:44:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah, ALL (#2)

Who cares? I certainly dont..

Thanks for proving my point.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-05-20   21:46:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BeAChooser (#3)

Thanks for proving my point.

Actually I didnt.. my point being arguing every jot and tittle wasnt my point in posting this .. so you have no clue what I meant .. so I did not prove you 'point'

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-20   21:48:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#4)

In the video, 911 Mysteries: Demolitions, at 42:30, it shows an in-uniform Port Authority cop stating, "You'd get below and you'd see molten steel. Molten steel running down the channel rims. Like you're in a foundry."

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-20   23:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: nolu_chan (#6)

In the video, 911 Mysteries: Demolitions

the best 911 film !

christine  posted on  2007-05-20   23:48:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#10. To: christine (#8)

the best 911 film !

Particularly persuasive is the chapter on squibs. The video is very clear and compelling.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-21 00:28:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: christine, Zipporah (#8)

In #6, I made a minor error and identified the speaker in the film as a Port Authority cop. I have found an online copy of that statement with some additional footage not included in the snippet on the DVD film.

The speaker is Captain Philip Ruvolo of the FDNY.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3060923273573302287

"You'd get down below and you'd see molten steel, molten steel, running down the channel rails, like you're in a foundry, like lava."

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-05-22 05:26:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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