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Title: Hell, No - I Won't Go!!!
Source: ConspiracyPenPal
URL Source: http://www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
Published: May 23, 2007
Author: Edgar J. Steele
Post Date: 2007-05-23 18:50:06 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 706
Comments: 73

My name is Edgar J. Steele.

"Leave there. Leave there now. You don't have a lot more time..." Thus went a recent email from an expatriate American correspondent, writing from his new home of many years in Moscow, Russia.

I think he is right. I - we, that is - don't have much time left before the final crackdown comes. You know - the ultimate American police state. And, yes, it can get much worse. You have no idea.

Thus far, we have been complaining about the procedures, laws and bureaucracies being set into place. Just wait until they start to use them.

What's It All About?

Come on, it is obvious to even the most comatose couch potato that all this superstructure has nothing to do with deterring terrorism from abroad. It is about controlling us, of course. You and me.

What? Is that laughter I hear? Why us? Well, then, why are they doing what they are doing, then? Why must we get clearance from Homeland Security before we are allowed cross the border out of our own country, despite having valid passports? For that matter, why must we show a passport to leave for any reason in the first place? And why must we endure the indignity of those ridiculous searches before boarding airplanes.

Why are all the home-town police forces becoming militarized? I remember when the police were our friends. The town cop where I grew up actually helped me learn to ride my bicycle. Try to imagine that happening today. Consider how the attitude of cops has changed just in your own lifetime.

Why is the drumbeat to outlaw private ownership of guns growing ever louder despite overwhelming proof that violent crime erupts wherever guns are outlawed?

Why are our National Guard units, once exclusively reserved for domestic assistance, now all overseas with all their equipment? Who will help us when we most need help?

Why is America's border held open? Why are border guards imprisoned for catching illegals ferrying drugs into America? Why are those morons in Congress about to enact yet another amnesty for all the illegals now in the country? Incidentally, why doesn't "undocumented guest worker" as a euphemism for the criminals now crowding us out of our own health-care and welfare systems sound as ridiculous as does, say, "unlicensed pharmacist," when applied to a drug dealer?

They Say Poacher - I Say Patriot

Why are they now burying metal detectors in our national parks and forests? They claim that their fancy new satellite-uplink metal detection system, similar to those in use at airports, is designed to catch poachers. Poachers! Yeah, right - now there's a threat that deserves a high-tech solution.

Here's what the article at the above link says about the system: "A poacher carrying a machete or a rifle will trip the detector, which will send a radio signal to a nearby Internet gateway and then to the Internet via satellite. With real-time data, park rangers have a better shot at intercepting illegal hunting."

I'll give you long odds that this program has nothing whatsoever to do with poachers. Think far more conspiratorially, NWO-wise.

Damn - I'd like a setup like this around my place.

Truly, when they are emplacing things like this, you know that they have to be very near ready to enact the clampdown for good.

Poachers are no significant problem anywhere in Amerikwa. Dissidents, however, now that is a different story altogether. And why would dissidents be trekking through the woods carrying long pieces of metal? Have you ever seen the movie "Red Dawn?"

Leave Now...

Increasingly, Americans are pulling up stakes and moving overseas. I've considered it myself, long and hard. If I had moved when the need first became apparent to me, my family now would be safely ensconced someplace like western Argentina or, perhaps, the northern lake country of Italy, within a stone's throw of the Swiss border.

Against my better judgment, I allowed protests from my wife and children to overwhelm my natural instinct to keep them safe. Yes, there still is time, but not much, just as pointed out by my Russian-American friend. But, like you, they don't see the real danger even yet. Things still look so ... normal, after all.

Call it rationalization and acceptance, if you like, but I have decided to stay put. Call it a weakness.

The Real Contract with America

I was born into mid-1940s America. I grew up during the Fifties and the Sixties. America made a contract with me when it educated me and socialized me into its ranks.

More than once, I have sworn an oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Unlike virtually all American officials today, I served in uniform for nearly four years during the Viet Nam era. I lost many friends to that pointless American aggression, among them my best friend and college roommate, Tom Foster, about whom I now write for the first time.

Tom appears with his girlfriend Chris in the photo at the left. I took this in late 1967, one of only two I have of Tom, who died less than two years later in the fetid jungles of South Viet Nam ... for America. For nothing, as it turned out. Just as America's sons and daughters now die for nothing in Middle-Eastern hellholes. For nothing.

Nothing about Viet Nam was worth Tom's life, who was one of the most remarkable, affable and truly worthy individuals I ever have been privileged to know. And I knew Tom well. Twice I have visited the official memorial to the Americans who died in Viet Nam and viewed Tom's name on its wall. Twice I have cried for him. Tears well up now, as I recall my memory of Tom and the remarkable life he would have led, a life cut short by politicians just like those now deciding our children's fate. And then I begin, all over again, to get angry.

Just because America now is being forced, at gunpoint, to renege on its promises to me does not release it from its obligations. Under traditional contract law, when one party breaches, the other has the option to rescind the contract. Else, one can sue for what is called "specific performance" of the contract. Note well the word "option."

In contract law terms, I hereby elect to sue America for specific performance. You don't get out of it that easily, America. You owe me. And I owe you, too. Other than vote against the establishment for forty years, do a little pointless precinct walking for hopeless candidates, handle a few pro bono legal cases for the doomed and the damned and speak out as I have for years, just what have I done to prevent you from being taken hostage by the morons, incompetents and criminals now running things?

Hell, No - I Won't Go

This happened on my watch. I have a duty to help fix things when, finally, the rest of America catches up and sees the view from my vantage point.

So - send me a postcard if you choose to leave. I do understand and never will blame you for leaving a sinking ship. I'll just stay behind and help rearrange the deck chairs for now. But ... Hell, no - I won't go!

I have work to do and I'm just getting warmed up.

It's too early to shoot the bastards, but I certainly advocate being ready to shoot back, just as our forefathers shot back near the Lexington Bridge, more than two hundred years ago. Though they already are imprisoning and killing us simply for being dissidents, we cannot shoot back until they start openly killing us in the streets.

Impeach House Speaker Pelosi We have work to do. We should start by impeaching House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Why Pelosi when there are so many from whom to pick? Because she is a symbol for all those creeps we replaced after last year's mid-term elections. Turns out, we just got all-new creeps. This is where I get to say, "I told you so."

But these all-new creeps are even worse because the only mandate they possibly could claim was to change things! And they haven't. In fact, they have made things even worse, if you can believe it.

After all, this is how our system is supposed to work: we elect representatives and they do our bidding. This is supposed to prevent the need for violent, revolutionary change.

We said, loud and clear: We want our government changed. We want our sons and daughters back home, out of harm's way in that stupid "War on Terror" in the Middle East. War on Terror - what a joke! The only terrorists, it turns out, are American.

Before Bush, I thought Republicans were almost as bad as Democrats. For five years, I then believed that Democrats were almost as bad as Republicans. Now, once again, Pelosi has shown me the light: Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats.

When Thoughts are Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Thoughts

Consider carefully the following, which I fashioned from a popular anti-gun law slogan: When Thoughts are Outlawed, Only Outlaws will have Thoughts.

Our all-new creeps on the left side of Congress just passed the newest version of the recurring Kennedy Hate-Thought-Crime bill. Frankly, I forget who sponsored it this time and I am ignoring the ridiculous name they gave it in this incarnation.

Now the even-more-Jewish-than-ever-controlled Senate (I refuse to call them the right side of Congress, because they represent the very antithesis of both meanings of the word "right") has vowed to pass this thought-crime bill and render it unto Caesar ... er ... Bush, who has promised to veto it, thereby underscoring my new-found belief that Republicans are only almost as bad as Democrats. Yet another act of treason from Speaker Pelosi.

Come Think with Me

Come think with me, fellow outlaws. I know that is what you are because every American now has become an outlaw. It no longer is possible to go through a single day without breaking too many laws to count.

The proof that 9-11 was home-grown now is conclusive, which means that our troops should be marching on Washington, DC.

Our all-new creeps have had a year and all that has happened is that things have gotten much, much worse. More American deaths. More record deficits of every sort. More criminals given the red carpet treatment. More out-of-control Bush/Cheney/Chertoff/Gonzalez, the unholy four Riders of the Apocalypse.

And less freedom for you and me, of course.

Our all-new creeps could have ended the war somewhat gracefully long before now. At any time! In fact, what they have done is to vote more and more money to fund the war! The recent gargantuan military funding bill is a great example. Did the Democrat-controlled congress vote it down? No, they approved it, though the only sure way to stop a war is to cut off its funding.

They Simply Could Have Talked this War to Death

Democrats' claiming that they could not have gotten the votes to surmount a Bush veto of the military funding bill is both a lie and a subterfuge. They didn't even need to vote it down. All the Democrats had to do was to start a filibuster and prevent it ever coming up for a vote. That's it. Talk it to death. But they wouldn't even do the one thing they know how to do!

Impeach Bush and Cheney? Sounds good to me. Problem is, then we get President Pelosi. And what she and her fellow all-new creeps have done is criminal beyond words. They were sent to fix things and, like the cop who drops his trousers upon finding a rape victim lying in the bushes, they actually have made things worse!

New America! An idea whose time has come.

My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening ... and thinking. Please visit my web site, http://www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

New America! An idea whose time has come.

richard...

This without doubt is one of the best written denouncements of our government I have ever read.

I hope you will ping everyone here that is an American.

It must be read by all for it is both a compilation of truth and a warning for the future.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-23   19:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: richard9151 (#0)

Thus far, we have been complaining about the procedures, laws and bureaucracies being set into place. Just wait until they start to use them.

richard...

The above warning by Steele should make Americans pause to think, and send shivers up their spine.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-23   19:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

for it is both a compilation of truth and a warning for the future.

Ed Steele does that well.

christine  posted on  2007-05-23   19:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#0)

Simply tremendous article.

says it all so well bump.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-23   19:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#3)

Ed Steele does that well.

Christine...

Sadly people do not listen or read well.

Years ago old friends from Hitlers Germany, warned of such. They said we did not fear the midnight knock on the door but one day we would.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-23   20:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Sadly people do not listen or read well.

denial is so much easier, Cyni.

christine  posted on  2007-05-23   20:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#1)

This without doubt is one of the best written denouncements of our government I have ever read.

Yes, it is. I read everything of Mr. Steeles that I find, and I have yet to find something that I disagreed with. He is one of the best informed, and willing to spell it out, men that that I have been fortunate enough to find. He understands the farce that is called Global Warming, the fraud known as the Federal Reserve, the so-called Holocaust and pretty much everything else.

The sad thing is that so few Americans read now. Instead, they worship in front of the tele.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   0:26:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

The sad thing is that so few Americans read now. Instead, they worship in front of the tele.

richard...

Uhhh, check the number of posts to this thread. Sad

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   8:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#0)

They Simply Could Have Talked this War to Death

Democrats' claiming that they could not have gotten the votes to surmount a Bush veto of the military funding bill is both a lie and a subterfuge. They didn't even need to vote it down. All the Democrats had to do was to start a filibuster and prevent it ever coming up for a vote. That's it. Talk it to death. But they wouldn't even do the one thing they know how to do!

Impeach Bush and Cheney? Sounds good to me. Problem is, then we get President Pelosi.

There is no political recourse in AmeriKa for us. But then again, you're in Mexico. I'm staying here to live and die if necessary.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-24   9:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151, Cynicom (#7)

Yes, it is. I read everything of Mr. Steeles that I find, and I have yet to find something that I disagreed with. He is one of the best informed, and willing to spell it out, men that that I have been fortunate enough to find. He understands the farce that is called Global Warming, the fraud known as the Federal Reserve, the so-called Holocaust and pretty much everything else.

So do I.

What amazes me most about Edgar S is that he's an attorney! I would think that if a person were to need the services of a lawyer, they'd do good to hire Steele... BUT, then again, given his positions on matters in Amerika (and the fact that our courts are an adversarial system as opposed to a justice system) he may not fare too well in court... I'm sure he's at the very least greatly despised by DAs and judges.

BTW Cyni - if you hadn't heard of Edgar Steele before now you really should check out his other writings, (I especially like his "Nickel Rants"). You can find the archive at http://www.conspiracypenpal.com

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-05-24   9:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

There is no political recourse in AmeriKa for us.

Exactly...

Proof??? The sheep voted for dems believing that there would be a change in direction of this Iraq war.

Change, yes, we have sent more troops and the Pentagon is planning on staying there for years to come.

Will the sheep ever learn that there is only one party? No.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   9:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#8)

Cyni, check the # of views too. Also, this article was posted here by noone222 the other day. it has 70+ views too.

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   9:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: richard9151 (#0)

The proof that 9-11 was home-grown now is conclusive, which means that our troops should be marching on Washington, DC.

I'm sure paranoid Cheney and the Bush family have thought about this. Their $$ and other homes are all outside the U.S.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-24   9:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: innieway, noone222 (#10)

BUT, then again, given his positions on matters in Amerika (and the fact that our courts are an adversarial system as opposed to a justice system) he may not fare too well in court... I'm sure he's at the very least greatly despised by DAs and judges.

i'd love to know what kinds of cases he does and his win/lose record. Steele is one that i'd like to see have his own talk show on RBN. wonder what John Stadtmiller would think of that.

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   9:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#11)

Will the sheep ever learn that there is only one party? No.

I agree. It's hard to believe anyone can still be trapped by the two party system. It's one party playing a staged game for the woefully ignorant. Cyni, IMO, most here know how this scenario will end and most are afraid to express those fears openly. I suppose faux optimism is a normal defense mechanism, but it's also aiding to our national suicide.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-24   9:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine, richard9151 (#12)

Cyni, check the # of views too. Also, this article was posted here by noone222 the other day. it has 70+ views too.

Guess I will have to have a tuneup on my bloodhound nose for news.

I was thinking that if richard tuned up his headline by adding...Dolly Parton Bares All....we would have gottten a ton of posts. Of course most would have wanted to lynch richard, LOL.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   9:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16) (Edited)

Duplicate threads happen fairly often.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-24   9:49:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#11)

Change, yes, we have sent more troops and the Pentagon is planning on staying there for years to come.

Steele's assertion that cutting the funding for the "war" would end our involvement is obviously correct - and not only are your above observations correct, but the "new CONgress" actually approved MORE funding than Dictator Bush requested!!!

With the sole exception of Ron Paul, each and every damed one of them are TRAITORS to the people of this country and the country itself.

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-05-24   9:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#14)

i'd love to know what kinds of cases he does and his win/lose record.

So would I.

That would be great!!! Maybe you could ask John next time you get a chance ;)

Of course, that would also be dependent upon Edgar's willingness to do a show too, but I have a feeling he might be willing.

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-05-24   9:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

most are afraid to express those fears openly.

Jethro...

They fear the midnight knock at the door. It will come and the sheep will then raise their voices and wonder why there is no one to help them.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   9:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: IndieTx, bluedogtxn, Ferret Mike, HOUNDDAWG, Esso, Dakmar, blackeagle, A Patriot, Elliott Jackalope, Former Lurker, Bub, Sodie Pop (#14)

here's one i think y'all will like

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   9:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: robin, christine (#17)

Duplicate threads happen fairly often.

This proves the owner/manager is not doing their job by removing such and should be removed from office...

I use to hate the duplicate post police on FreakRepublik as just because it was posted once did not mean that everyone saw it.

Let me know any ideas you might have about replacing management here.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   10:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#16)

Dolly Parton Bares All....

we need those kinds of threads occasionally as an antidote to the bad news we're inundated with. thank goodness for YouTube and good senses of humor. ;)

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   10:01:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#22)

I use to hate the duplicate post police on FreakRepublik as just because it was posted once did not mean that everyone saw it.

agree, that's why many times i let them go.

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   10:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#23)

Dolly Parton Bares All....

Perhaps I should caution richard not to try that gambit as 4um would have meltdown.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   10:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#22)

thread nannies are a bore

However, Neil has a wonderful search mechanism that pops up likely duplicates at the point of thread creation.

When they are related, but different, I include them in a new thread. Just as often, I quit the duplicate thread I was about to post. Once in a while duplicates slip through. Sometimes because the titles are just different.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-24   10:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine, lodwick, cynicom, Jethro Tull, innieway (#21)

To FULLY appreciate this column; you should go to Steele's website and LISTEN to the audio version. (I just did...MUCH 'creepier'.) He really knows how to use vocal inflection to his advantage when trying to make a point. You're right, Christine...a Steele radio show would kick ass.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-24   10:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: who knows what evil (#27)

You're right, Christine...a Steele radio show would kick ass.

bump this

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-24   10:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

There is no political recourse in AmeriKa for us. But then again, you're in Mexico.

That is the difference between us, Jethro; what is happening today in America was very clear to me 20 years ago, and, after my first wife passed away, I made a decision that I would not be caught up in what is going to happen.

In the Bible, all governments of man are named as beasts. AND, we are taught that we ... are ... not ... capable ... of ... changing ... what ... is ... going ... to ... happen. In fact, we are told not to resist, and why is that, Jethro? Because the open resistance makes the enemy stronger, as so-called patriots rush to the defence of what you perceive to be the enemy, and they perceive to be THEIR government.

And neither you nor they are correct, Jethro, for you are both living under a strong delusion, but perhaps someday, after you read, study and live enough, you will awaken.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   10:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: innieway (#10)

What amazes me most about Edgar S is that he's an attorney!

yeah... makes one aware of that 'don`t lump everyone together' rule, don`t it! The first time I read some of his stuff, I was like, well, yeah, but...... what`s the catch? when is this ATTORNEY going to show his real spots?

As to how he fares in court, I don`t know. I suspect that he may be willing to bring stuff into court that so-called regular attorneys would not, and that probably makes the courts more willing to simply get rid of his cases rather than setting precedence for other cases. I have wondered about that, but have never bothered to look into it.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   10:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#25)

Perhaps I should caution richard not to try that gambit

Yeah... AND I DON WANT BE LYNCHED!!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   10:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: REDPANTHER (#0)

PING

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-05-24   11:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#21)

Thanks for the ping. Damn good article full of truths many of us have known for a long time. We have always spoken of "America waking up". Hopefully this election process will be an eye opener for Americans that are still sitting on the fence trying to wipe the dirt out of their eyes and see the way things are for the first time in their lives. Time is short.

Pate

Militia...if not now. When?

A Patriot  posted on  2007-05-24   14:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: richard9151 (#29)

And neither you nor they are correct, Jethro, for you are both living under a strong delusion, but perhaps someday, after you read, study and live enough, you will awaken.

huh? what are you talking about? good lord.

christine  posted on  2007-05-24   15:17:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#29)

In fact, we are told not to resist, and why is that, Jethro?

Religion teaches you this? What a disgrace. You make a perfect Mexican.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-24   16:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#20)

They fear the midnight knock at the door

Actually, more like a flashbang followed by kelvar-coated thugs busting it down. At that moment in time, the rubber will meet the road for many of us.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-24   16:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#35)

Religion teaches you this?

Certainly not, as religion is a work of man.

The essence of this comes down to a simple truth; can you, Jethro, change yourself?

When you learn something new about health, as a for instance, CAN YOU CHANGE YOUR HABITS TO CONFORM TO YOUR NEW KNOWLEDGE? And, do it right now? Or, IF YOU CAN CHANGE, can you even do it over a period of time?

And if you are like most people, who can not change even when faced with life threatening problems, how in the h--- do you propose to force change upon others?

The opporative word here, Jethro, being to force change. Because you can not change others, except through force. Changing is a choice made by each and every individual, and it is a very slow process, generally speaking, and it cones only through education, experience, and facts.... and that pretty much leaves most Americans out of the change loop, including you.

And when you resist, what you do is close the minds of those who support what you resist, and turn them 180 degrees away from what you advocate. And if you truly do not understand that, then all you have to do is look at how long it has taken to get just a majority of Americans to look at the info about 911. And still, many of the people that I know do not have a clue about what happened.... why? Because it is not on the tele. BUT, most of them are well aware that there is a problem in America, and it PROBABLY is centered in anti- government feelings fed by the distaste for the war.

Because Jethro, they still BELIEVE that it is their government, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. Just as you believe, for whatever reason, that the course of the government can be changed, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   17:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: richard9151 (#37)

it cones only through education, experience, and facts.... and that pretty much leaves most Americans out of the change loop, including you.

richard...

I hope that segment is a casualty of poor writing or thought, not meant to demean anyone???

Cynicom  posted on  2007-05-24   17:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: richard9151 (#37)

Just as you believe, for whatever reason, that the course of the government can be changed, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

Our course of gov has had several changes: from individual states, to the Articles of Confederation, to the war of northern aggression (a "war" which was never declared nor ended), to 1913 and '33, to what shiite we have today, but we've certainly had changes over our short history.

Mostly for the worse, I agree, but with enough good people, things can change, again, for the better.

I agree with you that govs are inherently evil, but I know of nothing in the Bible that tells us not to resist evil at every opportunity.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-24   18:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: richard9151 (#37)

... and it cones only through education, experience, and facts.... and that pretty much leaves most Americans out of the change loop, including you.

richard:

Having followed your posts early on, this is the first time I have been left wondering what it is you are trying to say. Could you please rephrase or explain?

Thanks

Phant2000  posted on  2007-05-24   18:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#38)

I hope that segment is a casualty of poor writing or thought, not meant to demean anyone???

Facts do not demean; they are simply facts. Most Americans can not conceive of change; if you do not agree with this, I suggest that you buy, rent or steal a copy of the movie, 30 days, about eating three meals a day at McDonalds for thirty days. Then read the book, Fast Food Nation.

America has lost 25 million family farms in the last 50 years, and it means nothing to most Americans, who can not be bothered to understand the issues behind the loss. Or, accept that the loss comes from deliberate government policy. Yet the incidence, severity, and loss of life from the three major diseases, diabetes, heart disease, and cancer have reached epidemic levels within the US, and people still are not looking for solutions. Instead, sales of drugs are at all-time highs. Anything to be able to co-exist with the disease instead of looking for a solution, which requires change.

Yet I hear constant cries about how the government needs to change! Yet those same people are incapable of, by and large, changing themselves.

I have not drank a soda pop in more than 20 years.... how about you?

I have not been inside of a McDonalds in more than 18 years.... how about you? And that is long before the movie was made or the book mentioned above was written.

I am not a resident of the United States, and have not been for more than 20 years. How about you?

I have not voted, and thus put my stamp of approval upon the United States government, in more than 20 years. How about you?

Here is the bottom line; nothing will change the government until the people change........ And the people have proven themselves incapable of change; the evidence of that is that no matter who gets elected, nothing changes. And screaming about the Democrats and the Republicans is just a futile as ... well, you fill in the blank here.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-24   18:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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