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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2846
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

DHS should be shut down...period.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   14:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: who knows what evil (#1)

Absolutely..

This brought to mind this song...

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-27   14:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   15:07:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: who knows what evil (#3)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

I have at least two friends who relocated to China. Of course, both were married to Chinese women whose parents came directly from China, but both also say that the change was like a breath of fresh air. That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   15:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

Can you elaborate on that?

Artisan  posted on  2007-05-27   16:45:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#8)

Can you elaborate on that?

To a degree, yes, but it is something that needs to be experienced to understand.

More than anything, Mèxico is, more than anything, a common law nation; you do not damage someone else, they pretty much leave you alone.

Let me give you an example; there was an American who had a house here, but he did not live in it full time. So this one time, he can down from his home in Phoenix, and found that a number of things had been stolen out of his house. For whatever reason, he became convinced that a Mèxican who lived nearby was responsible. He went to the police, demanded action. They came down, spoke to the man, reported to the American that the Mèxican denied stealing anything, and, absent any evidence to the contrary, there was nothing further that they could do.

The American demanded; yes, DEMANDED, that the police forcibly enter the man`s house and search it and remove all of his, the Amerians, stolen items and return them to him! As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

The American was outraged! Why, if this had happened up in the states, you guys would have busted that door in and I would already have my stuff!!!

The sad thing is, the American was correct, and he also had no idea of just how foolish he sounded to those of us who understand.

And the caveat to this is that, of course, the American was completely wrong, but that did not stop him from making life miserable for the Mèxican and the police until the actual truth came out. The actual thief was his cousin (female), who needed some money quick for his`'habits'. I will let you guess as to what habits that may be.

And how do I know about this? Because I know the editor of the local gringo (English lan.) newspaper here. But the essence of the story pretty well illustrates the differences between Mèxico and the states, and, how far we, as a people, have degenerated.

Here, the police pretty well leave you alone unless you mess with them, or, injure someone. In the states, police work is all about revenue, and no one is immune.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   17:13:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: richard9151 (#10)

In your narative you refer to the cousin as female then claim the theft was to support "his" habit. So which is it. And no one especially a gringo gets in the face of a Mexican cop and demands anything especially against a Mexican. I guess I am saying your story is bullshit. But I do agree that in many ways Mexico is alot more laid back and not as controlling as the US which is now in every aspect of peoples lives.

willyone  posted on  2007-05-28   12:41:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: willyone, Jethro Tull (#18)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent. It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   13:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tauzero, all (#52) (Edited)

It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Good point. The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans. I have no idea what color Richard is, but living in Mexico isn't utopia. If it were, the current invasion we're experiencing would be flowing in the opposite direction. Just Google Mexico and violent crime and the stories are endless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull, Tauzero, willyone, all (#54)

The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans.

No body said anything about glory; if Americans, of whatever color, come down here, the first thing they must do is CONTRACT to pay the taxes. Mèxicans are not stupid; they do not extend the rights of their citizens to all johnny-come- latelys.

No body said anything about utopia. I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE. With a lot less interference from the police, and part of that is that the Mèxicans know very well that they need tourists from the states, and bad stories about how tourists, and any Americans are injured/robbed down here, hurt the tourist trade. Badly.

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the improtation of garbage food from the states.

As to crime rates, pretty hard for anyone living in the US to knock crime in some other courtry. Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

And by the way, my eyes are blue.....

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: richard9151, all (#55)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:16:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Are you really that dense, Jethro? When did NAFTA take effect, Jethro, and when did the importation of farm-factory produced food into Mèxico from the states start, Jethro? Perhaps if you can answer those two questions, you can start to put a date as to when the so-called invasion from Mèxico actually became a problem.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:31:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: richard9151 (#64)

Perhaps if you can answer those two questions, you can start to put a date as to when the so-called invasion from Mèxico actually became a problem.

Was it a problem before Reagan's Amnistia?

FOH  posted on  2008-04-16   18:47:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#115. To: FOH (#114)

Was it a problem before Reagan's Amnistia?

No. The actual genisis of the problem started in 1965 with the changes in immigration law, as I have posted before. But the problem with Mèxicans really kicked into high gear with the advent of NAFTA and the forced opening of the border (going south) to factory produced food, spec. corn and pork. And it is important to note that even before NAFTA was passed, the terms of the agreements were being observed, so the real problems began late in the 80s, early in the 90s.

The poorest of the poor in México, who had lived on the same land for generations raising their families all of a sudden found that they could no longer make enough to buy any essentials, cause most of what those poor raised and sold were corn and pork.

But that was planned, cause the rich (from both México and the US) needed a lot more workers in the new factories being built in México, almost all of which were moved from the US to México.

But about the time that came to be, China got most favored nation status, and all of a sudden those factories for México began moving to China, and what about all of those new 'workers?' The least educated in México, where were they to go, cause there is no work in México either. And since no one was interested in enforcing existing laws in the US, and numerous laws were passed saying that ANYONE was entitled to entitlments if they were within the US, well, what would YOU have done?

richard9151  posted on  2008-04-16 20:23:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: FOH (#114)

Was it a problem before Reagan's Amnistia?

there was a lot of illegal immigration from Mexico prior to the amnesty in 1986. The biggest problem with what happened in 1986 was that the government made it legal tohire illegal people if only the employer photo-copied the documents that would prove they're legal, and if the documents looked real, then the employer was perfectly legal to hire them. I read in a Wall Street Journal article back in 1986 that it was well-known this would only lead to a big black market in fake documents. and that is exactly what happened. It was the Senate Republican leadership that insisted the employers should not be forced to validate the documents before hiring. Others in the House (dominated by Democrats at the time) wanted to force employers to check legality of each new hire. The President was on the side of the House Democrats. But Senate Republicans would not allow such a bill to be passed. So they compromised and did it the way the Senate republicans wanted. Reagan who was in his senile stage by then was very easily influenced/controlled by those around him & went along.

They told us in 1986 they were going to fix the illegal immigrant problem and what they actually did was make it much worse. and then as Richard said NAFTA pushed 25 million mexicans off the land due to the subsidies of US food that were brought into Mexico without tariffs. They had to come up here.

The same thing is happening today, the leadership is making the Americans think they want to deal with the immigration problem. But legislation that Republicans (including Bush) supported in 2006 would increase immigration massively. Now they're trying to go for these indentured servant programs. They call them guest-worker programs. But anytime a person's existence in a country depends on the good will of the employer, then that means he is an indentured servant. The indentured servant system was first introduced in the early 1600's and was a pre-cursor to slavery.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-04-16 22:14:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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