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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2884
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

DHS should be shut down...period.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   14:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: who knows what evil (#1)

Absolutely..

This brought to mind this song...

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-27   14:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   15:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: who knows what evil (#3)

unfortunately there is no where to run...

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-27   15:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#4)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   15:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: who knows what evil (#5)

LOL! ..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-27   15:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: who knows what evil (#3)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

I have at least two friends who relocated to China. Of course, both were married to Chinese women whose parents came directly from China, but both also say that the change was like a breath of fresh air. That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   15:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

Can you elaborate on that?

Artisan  posted on  2007-05-27   16:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: who knows what evil (#5)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark.

Thanks for the song. I haven't seen fishnet stockings in quite a while. Fortunately, I just discovered they are available online ;P

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-27   16:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#8)

Can you elaborate on that?

To a degree, yes, but it is something that needs to be experienced to understand.

More than anything, Mèxico is, more than anything, a common law nation; you do not damage someone else, they pretty much leave you alone.

Let me give you an example; there was an American who had a house here, but he did not live in it full time. So this one time, he can down from his home in Phoenix, and found that a number of things had been stolen out of his house. For whatever reason, he became convinced that a Mèxican who lived nearby was responsible. He went to the police, demanded action. They came down, spoke to the man, reported to the American that the Mèxican denied stealing anything, and, absent any evidence to the contrary, there was nothing further that they could do.

The American demanded; yes, DEMANDED, that the police forcibly enter the man`s house and search it and remove all of his, the Amerians, stolen items and return them to him! As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

The American was outraged! Why, if this had happened up in the states, you guys would have busted that door in and I would already have my stuff!!!

The sad thing is, the American was correct, and he also had no idea of just how foolish he sounded to those of us who understand.

And the caveat to this is that, of course, the American was completely wrong, but that did not stop him from making life miserable for the Mèxican and the police until the actual truth came out. The actual thief was his cousin (female), who needed some money quick for his`'habits'. I will let you guess as to what habits that may be.

And how do I know about this? Because I know the editor of the local gringo (English lan.) newspaper here. But the essence of the story pretty well illustrates the differences between Mèxico and the states, and, how far we, as a people, have degenerated.

Here, the police pretty well leave you alone unless you mess with them, or, injure someone. In the states, police work is all about revenue, and no one is immune.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   17:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robin (#9)

Fortunately, I just discovered they are available online ;P

Oh, really? "Honey...guess what?"

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   17:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: who knows what evil (#3)

we have close friends whose 20 yr old son had a russian friend visit him for about a month. this young man was appalled at the number of cops out on the streets of San Antonio. when told of the constant harrassment and number of insane laws on the books, he said, "we're much freer in Russia!"

To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble. But how much nobler it would be if men died for ideas that were true!~H.L. Mencken

christine  posted on  2007-05-27   17:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin, who knows what evil (#9) (Edited)

oh, i'm sure there are lingerie and intimate apparel shops that carry them, y'all. we've got a store called Tabu that even carries fishnet body stockings. :P

To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble. But how much nobler it would be if men died for ideas that were true!~H.L. Mencken

christine  posted on  2007-05-27   17:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#13)

oh, i'm sure there are lingerie and intimate apparel shops that carry them, y'all. we've got a store called Tabu that even carries fishnet body stockings. :P

One thing my wife and I noticed immediately upon moving to Tennessee was the number of 'adult emporiums' in the 'prim and proper' South as compared to the 'pagan and perverted' North. We got your number, 'Baptists'. :-)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   18:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Zipporah (#0)

Here's your answer. Self Employment. How hard can it be to get around this shit?

Do you really want the government telling American Citizens who can and can't get a job in this country? If we allow this to stand, they will soon be telling us who can buy and sell.

It is far past time for redress in this country. Every politician who signs on to this bill, and passes it, must be removed from office. PERIOD.

By hook or by crook, if we don't start putting the brakes on, this car known as the United States, is going to be driven over the cliff by Thelma and Louise (Dumbasscrats, and Repuklicans).

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-05-27   18:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: richard9151 (#10)

The American was outraged! Why, if this had happened up in the states, you guys would have busted that door in and I would already have my stuff!!!

I have to disagree. I'm doing bookeeping for a vehicle dealership right now. One of the fired salesman titled everything (+30 cars and street bikes) on the lot over into his name and sold out out from under the company...and then he wondered why he got fired.

He then later embezled funds from the company bank accounts and broke into the owners home to steal more records and vehicle titles.

I went with the owner to the police. We took with us two eye witnesses to the break in, literaly a suitcase full of bank and credit card statements that proved the salesman stole money from the company, and a fucking signed note from the former salesman himself that he left on the owners front door that detailed everything he had done.

That was 6 months ago. To date local and state law enforcement have done...jack shit. Meanwhile the former salesman continues to harass current employees of the company. Myself included. I now sleep with a pistol on my nightstand and a loaded shotgun in my closet.

However, the former salesman has now purchased himself a nice new house with the stolen funds and property.

Now, that is a sign of living in a 3rd world country.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2007-05-27   20:03:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#16)

One of the fired salesman titled everything

Yep... Seen this stuff before. Here is the problem; the business AUTHORIZED certain actions by the salesman, which probably included the authority to sign titles and such for business practices, and, probably checks as well. AND; the salesman has friends in the police and/or office of the procecutor.

Once the salesman is officially authorized, the police then take the position that 'you gave him permission, and it is now a legal recovery lawsuit problem, but it ain't criminal.'

Had the same problem when a mechanic that worked for me bought thousands of dollars of spark plugs and other such items to run his mechanic shop out of his garage on the weekends. Course, all we had were diesels, but did not matter to the cops; hey, you gave him permission! He was authorized to purchase materials by you, and that was the end of the story. Never got a dime back, and he never had a problem with the police (course, his brother was a lieutenant in the police department, but we did not know that at the time).

Another thing that this shows is how pervasive is the corruption in the United States, but all you hear about in the media is the so-called corrpution in Mèxico and other so-called third world nations. Do not get me wrong; there certainly is corruption here, but it ain't any worse than in the states; if anything, just a little more open and above board (as if such is possible!).

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   22:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: richard9151 (#10)

In your narative you refer to the cousin as female then claim the theft was to support "his" habit. So which is it. And no one especially a gringo gets in the face of a Mexican cop and demands anything especially against a Mexican. I guess I am saying your story is bullshit. But I do agree that in many ways Mexico is alot more laid back and not as controlling as the US which is now in every aspect of peoples lives.

willyone  posted on  2007-05-28   12:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: richard9151 (#10)

Thanks. The thing that bothers me about mexico is no weapons and no jury trials. any place that disallows people weapons, regardless of how rotten murika has become, is worse than murika. Maybe I shouldn't say 'worse', that's probabbly the wrong choice of words. but you know what I mean. I've spent and I may spend more time in MX in the future. if so I'll ping you to let you know how it's going.

Artisan  posted on  2007-05-28   13:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: willyone, richard9151, La Raza, All (#18)

Here

Mexican real estate has ‘history of problems’

MARLA DICKERSON SPECIAL TO WESTCOAST HOMES

The norteamericano hunger for leisure and retirement homes in Mexico is left unappeased sometimes by unappetizing, even unsavoury, fare, brokers who disappear with deposit money, homes seized, people jailed.

   Murky property records expose foreigners to complicated title disputes in courts that may not give them a fair the American government cautions its citizens.

   ‘‘There is a history of problems,’’ Liza Davis of the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana comments. ‘‘We ask people to go in with their eyes open.’’

   The most widely publicized dispute in recent years occurred in 2000, Ensenada in

   Mostly retired Americans, the evicted resided in homes built on ejido land, communal farmland that has been the source of complicated title struggles nationwide.
   Mexico’s Supreme Court ruled that the group with whom the Ensenada aggrieved negotiated their land deals was not the rightful owner, a decision that forced some of the people involved to abandon homes worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
   Doug and Dru Davis sold their San Diego home several years ago to buy a $200,000 US house on a Mexican beach, in a fishing village called La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, about 20 minutes from the famous Puerto Vallarta resort town.
   Last fall, however, workers hired by a Mexican development company began to move the beach — by dredging the bay in front of their home to reclaim land from the sea.
   Instead of watching whales pass a couple of hundred metres off their patio, the couple fear they’ll soon be looking at a marina, a hotel and residential high-rises.
   ‘‘This is sending a terrible message to investors,’’ says Doug Davis, 61. ‘‘You think you're buying oceanfront property, and then the [Mexican] government lets someone build in front of you.’’
   He says the absence of transparency stunned him when he and his neighbours began asking questions about the $50-million US project, whose Mexican developers are four well-known local businessmen.
   The 17 affected property-owners eventually engaged lawyers just to obtain basic information about building and environmental permits.
   The homeowners said the original plans called for a much smaller marina development and that officials had yet to show them permits authorizing the expansion in front of their homes.
   Dru Davis said she was taking antidepressants to cope with the stress. The couple fear that their property, which they calculate is worth more than $1 million US, could lose half its value if the development proceeds.
   About 2,200 kilometres up the coast from La Cruz de Huanacaxtle, in Baja California, Bob Torres says the $63,000 US he lost on a modified trailer home was nothing compared to being deprived of his liberty.
   The Los Angeles cinematographer and his wife were arrested, shackled and held in a Tijuana prison in March, the result of a legal dispute with the owner of a trailer park in a place called Rosarito. The park owner covets the prized oceanfront lot.
   Released on bail after three sleepless nights, they fled back to the United States with no plans to return to their favorite getaway.
   ‘‘Rosarito has a bitter taste for me now,’’ says Torres, 60. ‘‘I would not invest in Mexico again.’’
   Torres said the decision was particularly painful since he and his wife, Aide, had vacationed in Rosarito since they were children. Many of those years were spent in a seaside trailer park called La Barca, where the couple in 2002 secured a $300-US-a- month long-term lease on a lot with a spectacular view of the ocean.
   Starting with a 35-foot travel trailer, they added on little by little, eventually creating a two-storey, four-bedroom structure with a deck. Weekends and vacations were spent barbecuing with other long-time residents, mostly Americans.
   Bob Torres said things changed dramatically last year when Fidel Valdespino, son of the park’s long-time owner, took charge of a major portion of La Barca following his father’s death the year before.
   Torres said he arrived one weekend in September to find the water pipe to his lot severed.
   Others have reported their water and electricity was also cut about that time; the access to the public beach was blocked with debris; and a number of homes were burgled. An abandoned trailer sprouted English graffiti that read: ‘‘Gringos go home. This is Mexico.’’
   The word around La Barca was that Valdespino was trying to pressure the tenants to give up their bargain-priced, long-term leases to make way for a more profitable condominium development. Many fled as conditions deteriorated.
   Among the holdouts were Bob and Aide Torres. Arriving at La Barca March 18 for what they thought would be a relaxing weekend, they were arrested on allegations, by Valdespino, that they had damaged the water pipes at the trailer park. A local judge found them guilty without hearing their testimony, unusual for even Mexico's disparate legal system, according to their lawyer, Jose Heing Chig Bazua.
   The frightened pair spent three days and nights in the notorious La Mesa penitentiary in Tijuana. They were released after signing an agreement with Valdespino to remove their dwelling from La Barca within 30 days.
   Valdespino denied making the allegations against the couple, saying the agreement for them to leave was a mutual one.
   Informed that the structure was destroyed mysteriously by fire, the Torreses hired a contractor to haul it away for scrap.
   ‘‘I am not going to fight it,’’ Bob Torres said. ‘‘I fear for our lives.’’
   Los Angeles Times

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   13:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Bienvenidos a México

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   13:38:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: BTP Holdings (#21)

"What, me worry?"

December 16, 2006

Is Mexico About To Fall Apart? Brenda Walker Says Yes

By Brenda Walker

[See Allan Wall's Memo From Mexico: Is Mexico About to Fall Apart?]

For a couple years now, I've been toting up the unpleasant symptoms of Mexico's lurch toward failing statehood from the viewpoint of a concerned neighbor who lives next door to a crack house. Now I read that VDARE.COM's resident Mexico expert Alan Wall thinks that I'm overstating the problem.

Who should know better than Allan, since he lives in Mexico and has written expertly and at length about Mexican society?

I read his analysis with interest because of my great respect for his opinion. But still think I'm right—Mexico is a lawless mess that's getting worse and presents a near and present danger to us Americans, who have unlucky geography. [VDARE.COM NOTE: It was, of course, the Mexican dictator Porfirio Díaz who was credited with saying "Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States", but the corollary is obvious.]

One crisis that doesn't seem imminent is a Pancho Villa style revolution. I've never suggested that scenario was likely. Marxicans clearly hoped that a teachers' strike in Oaxaca in May would grow beyond a leftist mini-insurrection into a national uprising. The Oaxaca disturbance has lasted several months and shut down much of the central city. But it didn't spread.

A precedent occurred earlier in Chiapas, when Subcomandante Marcos tried to stir up a revolution as NAFTA was implemented in 1994. His small army of disenfranchised Mayan Indians took over a town or two, but that uprising remained localized also.

The Mexican meltdown is instead a 21st century phenomenon in which non-state actors—the drug cartels—acquire enough money and power to carve out their own areas of control through private armies. Think Somalia meets Colombia.

In fact, the Colombianization of Mexico is an accepted description.  It describes Mexico's new status as the illegal drug hub of the hemisphere, with all the carnage and corruption that designation implies.

"’The Mexican cartels are the most dangerous trafficking organizations in the world,’ says one U.S. official in Mexico City who asked not to be identified for security reasons. ‘They'll kill you for a dime, and they have everyone paid off and scared to death.’”  [Losing the War: A sharp spike in drug-related violence has some analysts worrying about the 'Colombianization' of Mexico, Newsweek 7/11/06].

Wars among the cartels are a growing source of violence, wreaking economic devastation on places like Nuevo Laredo, a border town that has lost 60 percent of its American business in the last two years. At least 40 businesses have closed in the town, where firefights between cartels may include rocket-propelled grenades and hundreds have been killed.

In August 2005, the State Department closed down the US Embassy in Nuevo Laredo for a week to reassess security after a shootout between drug gangs using machine guns, grenades and a rocket launcher. During the previous month, the city's police chief was gunned down just hours after taking office.

And even without the cartels, crime is worsening to the point where average Mexicans feel threatened The issue has become part of the political debate—Mexico expert George Grayson remarked in November about el Presidente Calderon, "He knows it is imperative that Mexican citizens feel that they are safe in their own streets."

Mexico City is home to "express kidnapping" in which middle class people are snatched and forced to give up their debit card and pin number. As a result of kidnapping becoming a more common form of rip-off, Mexico is #2 worldwide in kidnappings per capita.

In 2004, a stunning quarter million people rallied in Mexico City to protest the government's inability to stem the worsening crime wave. People carried pictures of crime victims and demanded the death penalty be added to Mexican jurisprudence.

From 1992 to 2002, Mexicans reported at least 15,000 kidnappings—second only to (guess who?) Colombia, according to the Inter-American Development Bank.

March organizers said most violent crime goes unreported, partly because of police corruption and the knowledge that nothing will be done.

"We are afraid. We can't go out onto the street and the police do absolutely nothing to protect us," said Yolanda Tellez, 62, who is retired. [Mexicans protest at soaring crime, by Mary Jordan, The Melbourne Age, June 29, 2004]

When crime reaches a certain level, it becomes an issue of national security. The Vice President of Colombia, Francisco Santos, said as much in September:

"Crime is the biggest problem of the next decade," he said. "It will hinder tourism, investment and threaten democracy." [Violent crime called 'biggest threat' to Latin America, EuroToday September 19, 2006]

Street gangs have proliferated throughout Central America in the 15 years since the end of civil wars. Guatemala has called in United Nations crime fighters, in an admission that its own police forces cannot cope.

Quite simply, what's going on in Mexico fits the definition of a failed state. The combination of factors—growing corruption and crime, lessened competence in Mexico City, the rearrangement of Mexican geography into cartel fiefdoms with the uptick in narco-influence (see map)—have merged to lessen government power.

Inability to enforce the law and preserve order over territory is one definition of a failed state. That's exactly the situation in Mexico.

The new Presidente, Felipe Calderon, took office December 1, albeit under inglorious circumstances as he hurriedly took his oath among brawling opposition legislators [video] who sought to prevent his swearing in.

But one of his first major acts has been to send 6,000 troops to Michoacan to round up traffickers. He also plans similar military incursions in other areas. Calderon appears to be made of sterner stuff than his predecessor. But it remains to be seen how much the military deployment is for the cameras.

Let's consider some other symptoms of the Mexico malaise.
bulletCartels have consistently beaten back police and the Mexican army when the government has attempted to reassert its authority. El Presidente Vicente Fox sent troops into Nuevo Laredo June 13, 2005, but when the military was pulled out in late July, the city was "more violent" than when they went in.

Regions that once were free of narco-violence, particularly tourist areas that bring in needed cash, are now free-fire zones. Once glamorous Acapulco is now called Narcapulco, because the drug gangsters have moved in with little opposition.

Cartels have taken a style cue from al Qaeda and are now using beheadings to terrorize the police and populace. In April, gangsters from one drug gang decapitated the commander of a special strike force and one of his agents in the resort city. Police cannot protect their own men, much less the civilians entrusted to their care.
bulletA poll last spring revealed that half of Mexicans believe their country is on the brink of chaos, that "50 percent of respondents feared the government was on the brink of losing control." Part of the reason was the decreased sense of personal safety that average Mexicans felt due to the violence and corruption they see in their communities.

bulletMexico's oil reserves becoming pumped out. The Calderon government recently announced it would pursue a tax on soft drinks to make up for falling oil revenues. The chief oil field at Cantarell is projected to decline by 14 percent a year between 2007 and 2015. Oil provides 40 percent of the federal budget, so a dry-up at the pumps is serious.

Falling revenues for the government oil monopoly Pemex mean decreased tax receipts and less money to deal with Mexico's many real needs in education, health care and infrastructure. (A systemic source of Mexican enfeeblement is the critically low level of taxation generally, particularly from the rich, who pay zip.)

In a country where the underground untaxed economy is enormous, there's a popular saying among wealthy Mexicans: "If you're paying taxes, you have the wrong accountant."

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country, just 12 percent of GDP, which is one reason why the nation's enormous wealth is not better utilized. By comparison, the United States takes in 25-28 percent of its GDP in taxes. Even Brazil taxes itself at twice the Mexican rate.
bulletAt least one American investor decided against putting money into Mexico, specifically $40 million for a project near Zihuatanejo because of crime at levels of social destabilization. Unquestionably there are many unreported others who avoid the narcostate as simply bad business.

Finally, let's consider the daily crisis of Mexico that’s before our eyes. Millions are fleeing >http://focus.co m/latinfocus/countries/latam/latgdppc.htm"> Latin America's wealthiest nation to work in America, where they are despised and exploited. Twenty-five million Mexicans are already here, and 46 percent of those still living in Mexico would leave if they could, according to a 2005 Pew poll.

Not only is Mexico a failing state, it's also a failing society. The country should be a paradise. It has valuable resources, great natural beauty, an ideal location and hard-working people. Its elite do very well indeed.

What it doesn't have is an aversion to corruption. While many Americans live their entire lives without paying a single bribe, mordida [bribery] is endemic in Mexico. Such attitudes lead to dishonest police and politicians. Add a permissive attitude about crime, where smugglers are romanticized  in song, and you have a perfect atmosphere for narcotopia.

How much worse can it get? The issue of law and order in Mexico in the near term hinges on how serious Calderon is about cracking down on the cartels—and whether he can bring meaningful force to bear given the corruption of the army and police. Somalia and Colombia really are the possible models over the long term since cartels are not unlike warlord organizations.

The cartels have virtually unlimited money, and Mexico City is taxing soda pop to raise funds. Increased instability from organized crime will only encourage millions more to abandon the sinking ship and go north, since we know few Mexicans care to stand and fight for their country.

Bottom line: Mexico has an immense problem. Which means the U.S. does, too.

Brenda Walker [email her] her lives in northern California and writes frequently on her websites >http://LimitsToGrowth.org and >http://ImmigrationsHumanCost.org that multiculturalism is a failed ideology, particularly so for women.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   14:07:56 ET  (4 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

I had no idea that it was sucking so hard down there.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   14:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zipporah (#0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   15:45:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#12)

we have close friends whose 20 yr old son had a russian friend visit him for about a month. this young man was appalled at the number of cops out on the streets of San Antonio. when told of the constant harrassment and number of insane laws on the books, he said, "we're much freer in Russia!"

we had a Romanian friend who was a political prisoner in a Romanian prison for 9 years who said the same thing. he died shortly before 911, and predicted something of the sort was coming down the road.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   15:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lodwick, BTP Holdings, El Cid, Poncho, Pippino, Quepasa.com (#23)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster. I think I'll die here, armed and preferably in bed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   15:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Zipporah (#0)

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

I wonder if Chertoff will be issuing Stars of David, for the ones he 'chooses', those of the tribe, and those who swear allegiance and pay taxes to the 'beast', and send the rest of us to the new sanhedrin in Israel for judgement?

re-cap.....

CONTROLLED PRESS HIDES CHERTOFF'S ISRAELI ROOTS *PIC*

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn Date: Friday, 4 March 2005, 1:32 p.m.

Exclusive to American Free Press

Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security, was approved in a 98-0 vote in the U.S. Senate without the question of his Israeli roots – and nationality – even being raised.

On February 15, 2005, Michael Chertoff, an apparent dual national with Israeli roots, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The new "homeland security czar," who oversees the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, seems to be hiding his own dual-national status – with the cooperation of the controlled press.

Although the media scrutinized Bernard Kerik, President George W. Bush's first choice to head DHS, and uncovered embarrassing details about his mother, there was no discussion of Chertoff's mother, who played a noteworthy role in the creation of the Zionist state in Palestine.

The omission of Chertoff's mother's Zionist past suggests that there is an effort by the media to conceal his ties to Israel and his status as a "de jure" Israeli national, by birth.

Under Israeli law, a child born to an Israeli citizen, including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel, is considered an Israeli citizen. The child remains an Israeli national until he or she formally renounces their Israeli nationality.

Chertoff was born on November 28, 1953 in Elizabeth, New Jersey, to the New York-born Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff and Livia Eisen, the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines, founded in 1948.

SON OF A RABBI

"The son of a rabbi," The Star-Ledger of Newark, New Jersey, reported on February 16, "Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, graduated from Harvard University in 1975, and received his law degree from Harvard Law School in 1978."

The Star-Ledger, Chertoff's hometown newspaper, however, seems to have omitted mentioning his mother to avoid discussing that Livia [Eisen] Chertoff lived and worked in Israel and was apparently an Israeli national.

The Star-Ledger is well aware of Livia's Israeli roots. Six years ago, in her obituary of December 21, 1998, the paper reported her role in the founding of Israel. "She [Livia Chertoff] was the first airline hostess for El Al airlines and participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the famous airlift of Yemenite Jews to Israel," it reported.

Even in 1998, however, The Star-Ledger was vague about Livia's nationality. "Born in Poland, Mrs. Chertoff lived in Palestine and Elizabeth before moving to Florida several years ago," it wrote.

Israel's citizenship law of 1952 says: "Any Jew who immigrated to Israel before July 14, 1952, was granted citizenship after declaring a desire to reside permanently in Israel." As El Al's first hostess, Livia probably held Israeli citizenship.

Furthermore, a "child born on or after July 14, 1952," is an Israeli citizen if "at least one of whose parents is a citizen of Israel, regardless of the child’s country of birth."

EVASIVE ANSWERS

Secretary Chertoff was evasive when American Free Press asked about his mother's nationality, which if Israeli, would make him an Israeli national.

A "national" is defined as a citizen of a particular nation, while formal citizenship status confers specific rights, duties, and privileges on the citizen.

Asked about the status of Chertoff's mother's nationality, DHS spokesman Brian Roehrkasse provided an evasive answer: "He does not hold, nor has he ever held, dual citizenship."

"While his mother did reside in Israel, he [Chertoff] does not believe she ever held Israeli citizenship," Roehrkasse said. She resided there during the British mandate period (prior to the creation of the state of Israel), later lived in the UK, and he believes she may have held British citizenship at the time she worked for El Al."

Livia reportedly participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the top-secret airlift of some 45,000 Yemenite Jews to Israel from June 1949 to September 1950. Livia's connection with El Al and the secret airlift operations run by Israeli intelligence, indicate she was involved with Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad.

Operation Magic Carpet was so secret it wasn't even revealed to the press until months after the last of the 380 flights from Yemen had arrived in Israel in late 1950.

Chertoff's children have attended Jewish private schools, and his wife, Meryl Justin, was a co-chair of the regional Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) civil rights committee.

Chertoff is secretive about his childhood, perhaps to avoid discussing the intense Talmudic and Zionist upbringing he received in a family in which all the men were rabbis and scholars of the Talmud.

"My childhood was...average...Nothing stands out. It all kind of blends into the murky past," he told The Star Ledger in March 2001. Pressed for more details, Chertoff "reclined in his chair" and said, "I'll take the Fifth."

Michael's father, Gershon, was the first child of Paul Chertoff from Russia, and Esther Barish, from "Roumania," according to the 1930 U.S. Census. Gershon graduated as a teacher of the Talmud at age 20, in May 1935.

In 1930, the immigrant couple lived in a $90 rented apartment in Brooklyn and had three children, Gershon, Naomi, and Mordecai. Imbued in the Talmud, the Chertoff children became ardent Zionists.

Chertoff's father, Gershon, was a rabbi and teacher of the Talmud, as was his uncle Mordecai. Their father, Paul, was a "teacher" of the Talmud at the Jewish Institute (yeshiva) in New York. When the elder Chertoff died in 1966, he was described as an "Ex-professor of Talmud" in the New York Times.

Naomi also studied the Talmud and was serving her fourth term as national president of the Young Women's Zionist Organization of America when she married in 1946. Naomi had attended Hebrew University in Palestine before Israel became a state on May 16, 1948.

While there are published reports of Chertoff family weddings in New York and London there are no reports in the New York press about the marriage of Chertoff's mother and father.

Because Livia came from Israel and worked for the state owned airlines, it seems probable they were married in Israel.

Given his mother's role in the founding of the Israeli state and the intense Zionist character of his family, it seems likely that Chertoff spent time in Israel as a child.

"My religious and spiritual beliefs are pretty much what I want them to be," he said. Given his background, this suggests he is a Talmudic Jew.

The Talmud is the body of rabbinical law that most American and Israeli Jews follow. The Talmud, however, re-interprets and negates much of the Torah and contains some anti-Christian sentiments. [For a better understanding of the anti-Christian aspects of the Talmud, read Israel Shahak's "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years"]

NO OPPOSITION

Unlike other Bush nominees, there was no opposition in the Senate to Chertoff heading DHS. The Senate voted 98-0 to approve Chertoff on February 15. Chertoff, 51, took the oath of office that night in "a private ceremony at the White House."

DHS has a $32 billion budget, 180,000 employees, and jurisdiction over immigration, customs and transportation security, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The question of Chertoff's dual-nationality doesn't seem to have concerned a single U.S. senator.

"I applaud President Bush for this outstanding choice," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.). "We are proud to have a man of his caliber and talent serving and protecting the American people."

"Our country is very fortunate to have someone with the background, experience, the intellect, the qualifications and the integrity of Judge Chertoff," Senator Susan Collins (R – Maine), chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said.

After six hours of debate, Collins urged the Senate to act quickly on Chertoff's nomination.

During the period before and after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, Chertoff headed the criminal division at the Department of Justice where he "helped trace the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the al-Qaida network."

Chertoff became Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, by a vote of 95-1 on May 24, 2001. The dissenting vote came from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D – N.Y.).

In this position Chertoff was architect of some of the most controversial elements of the Bush administration's domestic war on terrorism and played a central role in formulating the Bush administration's "anti-terrorism policy." He defended the administration's decisions to hold military tribunals for non-U.S. suspect terrorists and to monitor phone conversations between attorneys and their clients.

Chertoff oversaw the detention of 762 foreign nationals for minor immigration violations, although none was charged with a terrorism-related crime. The detention of hundreds of people was necessary to detect "sleeper cells" of terrorists, he said.

"Chertoff headed the Justice Department's criminal division when hundreds of foreigners were swept up on minor charges and held for an average of 80 days," The Washington Post reported. "Some detainees were denied their right to see a lawyer, were not told of the charges against them, or were physically abused."

At the same time, Chertoff allowed scores of suspected Israeli terrorists and spies to quietly return to Israel. In several cases, Israeli suspects working for phoney moving companies, such as Urban Moving Systems from Weehawken, N.J., were caught driving moving vans which tested positive for explosives. On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, which was found to be a Mossad front company, fled to Israel after FBI agents requested a second interview.

One group of 5 Israelis was seen on the roof of Urban Moving Systems videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center. These Israeli agents were returned to Israel on visa violations.

These Israeli suspects, and others, who had apparently transported explosives in the New York area, were allowed to return to Israel without being properly interrogated or their presence and activities in the United States having been vigorously investigated.

Finis

Photo: The new head of "Homeland Security," Michael Chertoff, is the only son of Livia Eisen, El Al's first "hostess" (Israel's state run airlines) and intelligence agent involved in Mossad's "Operation Magic Carpet."

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=66175

...........Bringing the “War on Terrorism” Home

Human rights advocates, civil libertarians, and immigrant rights activists sharply criticized the appointment of Chertoff for his abusive record as Ashcroft’s chief counterterrorism prosecutor. As the architect of the post-September 11th initiatives on the domestic war on terror, Chertoff supervised the round-up of 750 Arabs and other Muslims on suspicion of immigration violations. Treated as suspected terrorist sympathizers or material witnesses, the “suspects” were held without bond for as long as three months, often in solitary confinement, despite having never been charged with any crime. Eventually, most were released or deported after secret tribunals.

In a 2003 report, the Justice Department’s Inspector General criticized these draconian measures as “indiscriminate and haphazard.” The report also concluded that Chertoff and other top government officials instituted a “hold until clear” policy for immigrant detainees even though immigration officials questioned the policy’s legality. In his book After, author Steven Brill describes how Chertoff obstructed access by the post-9/11 detainees to lawyers, reasoning that they “could be questioned without lawyers present because they were not being charged with any crime.”

Not one of the almost exclusively Muslim “detainees” was ultimately indicted for terrorism-related crimes. Chertoff, who also coordinated the aggressive questioning of more than 5,000 Arab Americans immediately after the 9/11 attacks, remains unapologetic and continues to argue that the “war on terrorism” justifies the government’s right to hold suspects indefinitely without counsel as possible “enemy combatants.”

At the outset of his Senate confirmation hearings, the American Civil Liberties Union warned that Chertoff’s record on immigration control and homeland security “suggests he sees the Bill of Rights as an obstacle to national security.” After his confirmation, the ACLU lamented that his appointment “marks the second promotion of a top Bush administration official with ties to the torture scandal. Pointing out that “both Chertoff and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had a hand in crafting the Bush administration’s torture policies,” the ACLU called for independent counsel to investigate these policies since both new appointees are “too close to the issue to oversee any investigations.”

“Keep your eye on Michael Chertoff,” warned Elaine Cassel in June 2003 when Chertoff was appointed to the court of appeals. Cassel, an attorney who writes for Civil Liberties Watch, observed: “As bad for the law and Constitution as many of Bush’s judicial appointments are, Chertoff has been the architect of prosecutions in the ‘war on terror.’ And he may have big changes in mind for you, me, the courts, and the Constitution.”

No Regrets

Despite the mounting evidence that the administration authorized torture and detained immigrants without probable cause, Chertoff has consistently defended the constitutionality of the Bush administration’s counterterrorism operations at home. In November 2001, at the time when he was directing a national dragnet that targeted the immigrant Muslim population, Chertoff told Congress: “Nobody is being held incommunicado. Nobody is being denied the right to an attorney. Nobody is being denied due process.”

Writing in the Weekly Standard in December 2003, Chertoff defended himself and the Justice Department against charges that the Bush administration had gone beyond the historical precedents in its determination of what is permissible under the U.S. Constitution. According to Chertoff, President Bush has “avoided the kind of harsh measures common in previous wars.”

He argued that although the United States is engaged in a war with both domestic and international fronts, the president has not authorized “evacuation or preventive detention of American citizens based on ethnic heritage.” Nor has there been any “government suppression of dissent or criticism,” wrote Chertoff, adding that unlike such respected predecessors as John Adams or Woodrow Wilson, Bush “has not prosecuted those who argue against the administration, nor has the government seized newspapers or banned them from the mails, as Lincoln did.”

Concerning the detention of “enemy combatants,” Chertoff maintained that the Bush administration followed “customary and well-accepted practice of incapacitating enemy soldiers overseas.” Regarding such matters as deciding “how long combatants can be held when we are fighting a war of extended or indefinite duration,” Chertoff said we must “think outside the box but not outside the Constitution.”

In a June 2004 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Chertoff wrote that we cannot win the war against terrorism if we “fight in a legal fog, constantly speculating and litigating piecemeal about what the law might be. A murky legal climate only obscures our options and hamstrings our forces.”

What about the role of the U.S. military or the CIA in home front operations? Chertoff, writing as an appeals court judge, said: “Basic policy questions like this cannot be simply left to the judiciary.”

“Creative Legal Thinking” or a Rollback of the Constitution?

Chertoff believes that it is time for “the most creative legal thinking” about the role of the U.S. justice system in “fighting a war of extended duration.” According to Chertoff, “We are at a transition point in the evolution of legal doctrine to govern the armed conflict of terror.”

One concern of his critics is that Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff—with the strong backing of the president—will roll back civil liberties and institutionalize a more restrictive view of the U.S. Constitution during this transition period......

Homeland Security's Chertoff: No Friend of Immigrants by Tom Barry

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0329-32.htm

Exposing the Zionist Lubavitchers who run the White House and Congress

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/267122.shtml

SIX-POINTED STAR: MARK OF THE BEAST [ I am not saying there is going to be a 'mark' or if there were, that it is going to be the star, but AntiChrist Zionism is certainly a Beast, and the article is interesting at least. It might even wake up a few of Pat Robertson's and John Hagee's people, if they could see it. ]

http://www.watch.pair.com/mark.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   16:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)

Here's your answer. Self Employment. How hard can it be to get around this shit?

Do you really want the government telling American Citizens who can and can't get a job in this country? If we allow this to stand, they will soon be telling us who can buy and sell.

Self employment is not for everyone, particularly since they have made that more difficult with all their rules and regulations, and since many industries are competing against illegals who are driving down wages with all their free health care, free education for their gaggle of kids, subsidized housing, and the whole bit.

For most people, not being able to work already means they will not be able to 'buy and sell'.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   16:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: willyone (#18)

"his"

It`s hers, so I miss typed, so sue me.

And no one especially a gringo gets in the face of a Mexican cop and demands anything especially against a Mexican. I guess this just goes to show how little you know about how it works down here. What do you think, the Mèxicans are as stupid as the people who listen to the media in the states? The Mèxicans know very well where all of the money they want down here comes from, and they go out of their way to not molest the gringos, unless it is something really, really out of line.

Not to say that they will not put the bite on someone once in a while for a bribe, but that is becoming more and more rare. The city is now advertising, in English, both on the radio and on billboards, and telling everyone that if anyone even hints at a bribe, to come directly to the city offices and report it.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan (#19)

if so I'll ping you to let you know how it's going.

Please, do that. I am always interested in how others fare in Mèxico.

As to the guns, there are more guns down here than you think. A LOT of people have them, including quite a number that I know. As one man told me (after he had known me for a number of years); 'We have more guns than the police do, and they know it!'

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country. A whole h--- of a lot of them got killed the last time there was a revolt in Mèxico, and I will say it again; Mèxicans are not like Americans; they will take to the streets! And it ain't pretty when they do!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull, willyone, La Raza, All (#20)

the American government cautions its citizens

Nuff said.

As to whether or not there have been problems, sure. However that may be, the basic rules apply no matter where you are; buyer beware, and when you go into some place where you do not know the rules, hey, better be a lot more than aware! There are always crooks, no matter where you go, and you can find the same type of horror stories anywhere in the US! Usually, with an attorney behind the problems rubbing his hands together as he anticipates his profit!

ejido land, communal farmland This type of land, ejido land, IS NOT FOR SALE. It is protected by the Constitution of Mèxico so that the poor can not be evicted from their land. Of course, this is now being changed because of pressure from the US, where the bankers what a clear path to disposses as many in Mèxico as they have in the states. However, I suspect that at the time this story was written, nothing had changed and this land could not be sold, under any circumstances. BUT, someone got a h--- of a deal on some very cheap land, I suspect, and hey! WHY NOT!!! We all know those dumb Mèxicans are just dumb!

Oops! No such thing as a free lunch, doncha know.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, all (#22)

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country,

Jesus, this story is so full of shit, I hardly know where to start! But hey, anything you hear in the main stream media is THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH DONCHA KNOW!!!

But this sentance is a very good example. Mèxico actually has a pretty good Constitution, unlike the United States, and the people here are protected, esp. from taxation. If the average Mèxican does not ENTER INTO A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE PAYS NO TAXES!!! He is NOT required to have a Social Security number, unless he/she is a professional, lic. by the state.

If you will both please remember back to when I posted the ENABLING ACT info for Social Security in the US, showing it is actually an Income Tax, and thus a contractual nexus for ALL US citizens to pay the income tax, you will begin to see what I mean.

As to the rest of the story, BULLSHIT! Are there problems in a few areas? Yes, specifically in New Larado and in Mèxico City... but why anyone would like to live in either one is beyond me. And yes, I have relatives that live in Mèxico City, and we visit all of the time. Nothing is nearly as bad as what this story paints, which shows that this is simply another piece of BS from the media in the US!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: richard9151 (#32)

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine, all (#33)

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

On the contrary; I am saying that it is ABSOLUTELY true, and it is true because the protections within the Constitution of Mèxico have not been undone, and, BECAUSE the people of Mèxico, most of them, are wiser than most Americans and WILL NOT enter into contracts with the federal government.

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#34)

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations, ergo the lowest taxation rate in Latin America. But fear not. The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

I think I'll die here, armed and preferably in bed.

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country. A whole h--- of a lot of them got killed the last time there was a revolt in Mèxico, and I will say it again; Mèxicans are not like Americans; they will take to the streets! And it ain't pretty when they do!

Good to know - it's way past time for lots of us to do more than take to the streets.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull, robin, all (#35)

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations,

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

The economy of Mexico was the 15th largest in the world in 2006[1] with a gross domestic product that surpassed a trillion dollars in 2004[2], measured in purchasing power parity. Mexico has a free market and export-oriented economy and is firmly established as an upper middle-income country with the highest income per capita in Latin America, in market exchange rates. Mexico is the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Perhaps, Jethro, you should check a few facts once in a while before you stick your foot in your mouth! And one of the biggest reasons that this economy is so robust and growing so fast, IS THE LACK OF TAXATION ON THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you get that, Jethro, and, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster.

It's long past time for the militia to form up and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   19:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lodwick (#36)

Freedom ship, eh? Has it a pub(s)?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Zipporah (#0)

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

No FEDERAL JOB is the way it should read.

But the stupid sheeple and the blind idiots in the business world will go along with this crap just like they have done with the payroll withholding scheme.

The solution is, do not claim to be a U.S. citizen.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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