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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2852
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#33. To: richard9151 (#32)

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine, all (#33)

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

On the contrary; I am saying that it is ABSOLUTELY true, and it is true because the protections within the Constitution of Mèxico have not been undone, and, BECAUSE the people of Mèxico, most of them, are wiser than most Americans and WILL NOT enter into contracts with the federal government.

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#34)

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations, ergo the lowest taxation rate in Latin America. But fear not. The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

I think I'll die here, armed and preferably in bed.

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country. A whole h--- of a lot of them got killed the last time there was a revolt in Mèxico, and I will say it again; Mèxicans are not like Americans; they will take to the streets! And it ain't pretty when they do!

Good to know - it's way past time for lots of us to do more than take to the streets.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull, robin, all (#35)

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations,

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

The economy of Mexico was the 15th largest in the world in 2006[1] with a gross domestic product that surpassed a trillion dollars in 2004[2], measured in purchasing power parity. Mexico has a free market and export-oriented economy and is firmly established as an upper middle-income country with the highest income per capita in Latin America, in market exchange rates. Mexico is the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Perhaps, Jethro, you should check a few facts once in a while before you stick your foot in your mouth! And one of the biggest reasons that this economy is so robust and growing so fast, IS THE LACK OF TAXATION ON THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you get that, Jethro, and, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster.

It's long past time for the militia to form up and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   19:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lodwick (#36)

Freedom ship, eh? Has it a pub(s)?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Zipporah (#0)

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

No FEDERAL JOB is the way it should read.

But the stupid sheeple and the blind idiots in the business world will go along with this crap just like they have done with the payroll withholding scheme.

The solution is, do not claim to be a U.S. citizen.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull, lodwick, BTP Holdings, willyone, La Raza, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Zipporah, Artisan, Pissed Off Janitor, who knows what evil, christine, all (#35)

The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

So we get past the nonsense that people such as Jethro post, will everyone please read number 38? I appreciate it, and I think you will be just a little surprised.

As to this statement above, I happen to agree wholeheartedly! The drug problem in Mèxico comes from the US, and legalizing the problem here, and taxing it, would solve a lot of problems. BUT, everytime that Mèxico comes close (and they have come real close to doing this!) to this solution, pressure comes from north of the border, i.e., from the US government. Ever wonder why?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Pubs?

On every cruise ship that I've ever sailed, the pubs outnumber anything else - but better yet, are the duty-free shops where there is no taxation of any sort to be paid.

Booze is typically half the price that we pay in-country.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: richard9151 (#38)

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

Ah.....your economy is a big as the transnationals chooses to make it. When and if your rogue government refuses to kiss their ass, they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca in the dust searching for more reasonable labor. In fact this is already happening. I bet I’ll be able to pick up a tin roof hut on the cheap when that inevitable day comes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#43)

Excellent. Sobriety will be left stateside where it belongs

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: richard9151 (#45)

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

Are u speaking in code? Translation please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: BTP Holdings (#39)

and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus

They've all become little tools of the federal government. They're picking out their retirement fishing poles and could care less about the state of the nation or their obligations.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#36)

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Being as their last "news" update was over two years ago and they no longer seem to have any graphics on their website I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-28   20:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Elliott Jackalope (#49)

"...I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

DOA they may be.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-29   8:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country.

Indeed. White hispanics shouldn't trust those with more Indian blood.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: willyone, Jethro Tull (#18)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent. It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   13:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: richard9151 (#10)

As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

I've heard countless stories, and seen them on shows like COPS, where they police act so far outside their authority and without a warrant it is simply unbelievable.

Jerks like him are the ones who cheer on the cops in those situations.

He should be thrown in the stocks on the public square so folks can humiliate him for being an enabler of the police state.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   13:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tauzero, all (#52) (Edited)

It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Good point. The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans. I have no idea what color Richard is, but living in Mexico isn't utopia. If it were, the current invasion we're experiencing would be flowing in the opposite direction. Just Google Mexico and violent crime and the stories are endless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull, Tauzero, willyone, all (#54)

The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans.

No body said anything about glory; if Americans, of whatever color, come down here, the first thing they must do is CONTRACT to pay the taxes. Mèxicans are not stupid; they do not extend the rights of their citizens to all johnny-come- latelys.

No body said anything about utopia. I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE. With a lot less interference from the police, and part of that is that the Mèxicans know very well that they need tourists from the states, and bad stories about how tourists, and any Americans are injured/robbed down here, hurt the tourist trade. Badly.

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the improtation of garbage food from the states.

As to crime rates, pretty hard for anyone living in the US to knock crime in some other courtry. Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

And by the way, my eyes are blue.....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: BTP Holdings (#53)

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

You are correct, and the contradictions in his beliefs never even enter into his thinking.

It is kind of like Jethro trying to start an argument with me based on his belief that perhaps Mèxico's biggest problem is simply that they do not tax their citizens enough! Do you ever wonder if such people ever think before they write/speak?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Tauzero, willyone, Jethro Tull, all (#52)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent.

What is it with you guys; pure racism, or just ignorance? Or, is it just that, hey!, those suckers in Mèxico mus be dum cause they don even unerstan plain english!

Here are two rules for you all to think about;

Rule number 1; all people every where are just about equal in intelligence. They may think a little different because of the form of their language, but just because they don`t understand English is not an excuse to treat them as dumb. On the other hand, people who get most of their info and beliefs from the major media in the United States, and accept it as gospel, well, they can certainly be rated as lacking in basic common sense, even if not actually rated as stupid. And that, frankly, is where most of what you clowns think you know about Mèxico comes from; the TV/radio/newspapers in the Untied States.

Rule number 2; Generally speaking, people do not cut off their own noses to spite their faces. They just don't do it! And given that Mèxicans are not stupid (HEY! TRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY LAST YEAR!), then anyone with a lick of sense would understand that the average Mèxican DOES NOT HATE NOR PICK ON THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WHEN THAT AMERICAN VISITS MÈXICO. Why do you suppose that is? Cause that American is bringing m-o-n-e-y to Mèxico! And if the Mèxicans cause trouble for the Americans, then the m-o-n-e-y flow across the border dries up. What is truly interesting about this is that the average Mèxican is much, much better than the average United States citizen is in separating the actions of the government from the actions of the average citizen (of whatever nation).

In point of fact, what the average Mèxican has learned, long ago, IS DO NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE AMERICANS OR WE POLICE WILL LAND ON YOU WITH 6 OR 8 FEET! And the police do not cause problems for the average Americans either, cause their jobs depend on keeping the hotel and other large business owners happy....... or someone else gets their job. And anyone with a lick of sense, who had any idea of just how much building is going on in what is called the free zone, that (about) 25 mile wide strip just inside the Mèxican/US border, would understand this without needing to be hit over the head with it.

But hey! What do I know. There is only, roughly, 8,000 Americans here in this small town (not all permenant resisdents), with hundreds more planning on moving here to fill up all of the hundereds of new homes under construction, so, I must be about the only one who thinks as I do..... donchaknow.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: richard9151, all (#55)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tauzero, willyone, robin, BTP Holdings, IndieTX, Americans for Closed Borders, ALL (#58)

Ping to the above.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

That's a lie.

Native Americans of CA chased Mexicans back to Mexico many times.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#60)

Yep. I think Mr. Mexico is taking the same immigration position as Morris Dees.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: richard9151 (#55)

I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE

Do you carry a gun?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#60)

Robin is correct in 60 in her history. I wish so much that young Americans were taught that in school. They indoctrinated with poison against our country, and so are the Mexicans.

There were a lot of violent conflicts between the Mexicans and natives of Arizona. In both Texas & in California they had revolutions in the 1830's where the Mexican government was chased out. and then they had the Mexican- American war in late 1840's. At the time when Mexican-American war ended around 1846 and all those western states were surrendered by Mexico only about 5% of who were then Mexicans lived north of today's border. and a lot of those 5% were more loyal to America than to Mexico - witness the revolutions in California & Texas where ethnic Mexicans fought against Mexico. Today it is like 40% of the ethnic Mexicans that live in our country I personally think. A lot of them have blended in with the Americans. The reality is that there's been a huge migration north and they're not natives.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-05-29   18:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Are you really that dense, Jethro? When did NAFTA take effect, Jethro, and when did the importation of farm-factory produced food into Mèxico from the states start, Jethro? Perhaps if you can answer those two questions, you can start to put a date as to when the so-called invasion from Mèxico actually became a problem.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Do you carry a gun?

No. Do you? And if you do, why do you? Does walking the streets in your beautiful US scare the bejesus out of you so that you need to carry a gun to feel safe? If you do, I feel sorry for you, cause I can go outside anytime of the day or night here, walk around, go have a beer, anything I want, AND SO CAN MY WIFE, in perfect safty.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: richard9151 (#65)

If your wife or daughter were blonde and blue-eyed would that still be true?

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Red Jones, robin (#63)

Robin is correct in 60 in her history. I wish so much that young Americans were taught that in school. They indoctrinated with poison against our country, and so are the Mexicans.

Kind of like Americans are indoctrinated with hatred against Mèxico, and Mèxicans, right?

To bad a few more Americans do not wake up and understand that someone is doing the indoctrination on both sides of the border. There are actually many more Mèxicans aware that what they are being taught ain`t the truth than there are Americans.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: robin (#66)

If your wife or daughter were blonde and blue-eyed would that still be true?

Absolutely, Robin. Go up and read number 57.

Many many Americans party hearty down here day and night. Walk around, go into the Cantinas, shop and eat, visit the beach. Very, very few problems. A lot fewer than you would see in the states, I wager.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: richard9151 (#64)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

These are your words. Please explain.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: richard9151 (#68)

I'm glad to hear it, but the same is not true anywhere near the border. And I doubt if it is true in Mexico City either. But the tourist towns are likely safer.

However, a recent article posted here, written by an ex-pat in Mexico, suggested that a single woman would probably not like Mexico.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull, robin, all (#61)

Yep. I think Mr. Mexico is taking the same immigration position as Morris Dees.

No stupid comments, Jethro, as is your normal mode of operation. Quotes. Tell me where I have said anything at all about immigration. Open borders. About allowing more Mèxicans into the states.

Quotes, Jethro. I post everything on 4um in the open, so I assume you have proof of your BS, right?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: richard9151 (#65)

No. Do you?

Yes, I carry. Do you? Does the Mexican govt. allow you to?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: richard9151, Jethro Tull, robin, willyone (#55)

Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

George Carlin had a nice joke about some parents trying to get a kid to eat some food that was "good for him."

Carlin in slow, superior voce: "How do you know you don't like it if you've never even tried?"

Carlin as not-to-be-tricked kid: "It came to me in a dream!"

Richard's correct I don't understand what it's like in a knowledge-by-acquaintance way. Is such knowledge-by-acquaintance necessary before analysis and decision? Why should I want such acquaintance?

There are only two ways for me to gain such knowledge-by-acquaintance. Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   18:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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