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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2072
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#39. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster.

It's long past time for the militia to form up and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   19:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lodwick (#36)

Freedom ship, eh? Has it a pub(s)?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Zipporah (#0)

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

No FEDERAL JOB is the way it should read.

But the stupid sheeple and the blind idiots in the business world will go along with this crap just like they have done with the payroll withholding scheme.

The solution is, do not claim to be a U.S. citizen.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull, lodwick, BTP Holdings, willyone, La Raza, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Zipporah, Artisan, Pissed Off Janitor, who knows what evil, christine, all (#35)

The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

So we get past the nonsense that people such as Jethro post, will everyone please read number 38? I appreciate it, and I think you will be just a little surprised.

As to this statement above, I happen to agree wholeheartedly! The drug problem in Mèxico comes from the US, and legalizing the problem here, and taxing it, would solve a lot of problems. BUT, everytime that Mèxico comes close (and they have come real close to doing this!) to this solution, pressure comes from north of the border, i.e., from the US government. Ever wonder why?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Pubs?

On every cruise ship that I've ever sailed, the pubs outnumber anything else - but better yet, are the duty-free shops where there is no taxation of any sort to be paid.

Booze is typically half the price that we pay in-country.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: richard9151 (#38)

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

Ah.....your economy is a big as the transnationals chooses to make it. When and if your rogue government refuses to kiss their ass, they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca in the dust searching for more reasonable labor. In fact this is already happening. I bet I’ll be able to pick up a tin roof hut on the cheap when that inevitable day comes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#43)

Excellent. Sobriety will be left stateside where it belongs

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: richard9151 (#45)

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

Are u speaking in code? Translation please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: BTP Holdings (#39)

and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus

They've all become little tools of the federal government. They're picking out their retirement fishing poles and could care less about the state of the nation or their obligations.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#36)

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Being as their last "news" update was over two years ago and they no longer seem to have any graphics on their website I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-28   20:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Elliott Jackalope (#49)

"...I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

DOA they may be.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-29   8:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country.

Indeed. White hispanics shouldn't trust those with more Indian blood.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: willyone, Jethro Tull (#18)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent. It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   13:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: richard9151 (#10)

As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

I've heard countless stories, and seen them on shows like COPS, where they police act so far outside their authority and without a warrant it is simply unbelievable.

Jerks like him are the ones who cheer on the cops in those situations.

He should be thrown in the stocks on the public square so folks can humiliate him for being an enabler of the police state.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   13:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tauzero, all (#52) (Edited)

It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Good point. The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans. I have no idea what color Richard is, but living in Mexico isn't utopia. If it were, the current invasion we're experiencing would be flowing in the opposite direction. Just Google Mexico and violent crime and the stories are endless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull, Tauzero, willyone, all (#54)

The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans.

No body said anything about glory; if Americans, of whatever color, come down here, the first thing they must do is CONTRACT to pay the taxes. Mèxicans are not stupid; they do not extend the rights of their citizens to all johnny-come- latelys.

No body said anything about utopia. I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE. With a lot less interference from the police, and part of that is that the Mèxicans know very well that they need tourists from the states, and bad stories about how tourists, and any Americans are injured/robbed down here, hurt the tourist trade. Badly.

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the improtation of garbage food from the states.

As to crime rates, pretty hard for anyone living in the US to knock crime in some other courtry. Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

And by the way, my eyes are blue.....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: BTP Holdings (#53)

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

You are correct, and the contradictions in his beliefs never even enter into his thinking.

It is kind of like Jethro trying to start an argument with me based on his belief that perhaps Mèxico's biggest problem is simply that they do not tax their citizens enough! Do you ever wonder if such people ever think before they write/speak?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Tauzero, willyone, Jethro Tull, all (#52)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent.

What is it with you guys; pure racism, or just ignorance? Or, is it just that, hey!, those suckers in Mèxico mus be dum cause they don even unerstan plain english!

Here are two rules for you all to think about;

Rule number 1; all people every where are just about equal in intelligence. They may think a little different because of the form of their language, but just because they don`t understand English is not an excuse to treat them as dumb. On the other hand, people who get most of their info and beliefs from the major media in the United States, and accept it as gospel, well, they can certainly be rated as lacking in basic common sense, even if not actually rated as stupid. And that, frankly, is where most of what you clowns think you know about Mèxico comes from; the TV/radio/newspapers in the Untied States.

Rule number 2; Generally speaking, people do not cut off their own noses to spite their faces. They just don't do it! And given that Mèxicans are not stupid (HEY! TRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY LAST YEAR!), then anyone with a lick of sense would understand that the average Mèxican DOES NOT HATE NOR PICK ON THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WHEN THAT AMERICAN VISITS MÈXICO. Why do you suppose that is? Cause that American is bringing m-o-n-e-y to Mèxico! And if the Mèxicans cause trouble for the Americans, then the m-o-n-e-y flow across the border dries up. What is truly interesting about this is that the average Mèxican is much, much better than the average United States citizen is in separating the actions of the government from the actions of the average citizen (of whatever nation).

In point of fact, what the average Mèxican has learned, long ago, IS DO NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE AMERICANS OR WE POLICE WILL LAND ON YOU WITH 6 OR 8 FEET! And the police do not cause problems for the average Americans either, cause their jobs depend on keeping the hotel and other large business owners happy....... or someone else gets their job. And anyone with a lick of sense, who had any idea of just how much building is going on in what is called the free zone, that (about) 25 mile wide strip just inside the Mèxican/US border, would understand this without needing to be hit over the head with it.

But hey! What do I know. There is only, roughly, 8,000 Americans here in this small town (not all permenant resisdents), with hundreds more planning on moving here to fill up all of the hundereds of new homes under construction, so, I must be about the only one who thinks as I do..... donchaknow.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: richard9151, all (#55)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tauzero, willyone, robin, BTP Holdings, IndieTX, Americans for Closed Borders, ALL (#58)

Ping to the above.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

That's a lie.

Native Americans of CA chased Mexicans back to Mexico many times.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#60)

Yep. I think Mr. Mexico is taking the same immigration position as Morris Dees.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: richard9151 (#55)

I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE

Do you carry a gun?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#60)

Robin is correct in 60 in her history. I wish so much that young Americans were taught that in school. They indoctrinated with poison against our country, and so are the Mexicans.

There were a lot of violent conflicts between the Mexicans and natives of Arizona. In both Texas & in California they had revolutions in the 1830's where the Mexican government was chased out. and then they had the Mexican- American war in late 1840's. At the time when Mexican-American war ended around 1846 and all those western states were surrendered by Mexico only about 5% of who were then Mexicans lived north of today's border. and a lot of those 5% were more loyal to America than to Mexico - witness the revolutions in California & Texas where ethnic Mexicans fought against Mexico. Today it is like 40% of the ethnic Mexicans that live in our country I personally think. A lot of them have blended in with the Americans. The reality is that there's been a huge migration north and they're not natives.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-05-29   18:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Are you really that dense, Jethro? When did NAFTA take effect, Jethro, and when did the importation of farm-factory produced food into Mèxico from the states start, Jethro? Perhaps if you can answer those two questions, you can start to put a date as to when the so-called invasion from Mèxico actually became a problem.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Do you carry a gun?

No. Do you? And if you do, why do you? Does walking the streets in your beautiful US scare the bejesus out of you so that you need to carry a gun to feel safe? If you do, I feel sorry for you, cause I can go outside anytime of the day or night here, walk around, go have a beer, anything I want, AND SO CAN MY WIFE, in perfect safty.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:34:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: richard9151 (#65)

If your wife or daughter were blonde and blue-eyed would that still be true?

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Red Jones, robin (#63)

Robin is correct in 60 in her history. I wish so much that young Americans were taught that in school. They indoctrinated with poison against our country, and so are the Mexicans.

Kind of like Americans are indoctrinated with hatred against Mèxico, and Mèxicans, right?

To bad a few more Americans do not wake up and understand that someone is doing the indoctrination on both sides of the border. There are actually many more Mèxicans aware that what they are being taught ain`t the truth than there are Americans.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: robin (#66)

If your wife or daughter were blonde and blue-eyed would that still be true?

Absolutely, Robin. Go up and read number 57.

Many many Americans party hearty down here day and night. Walk around, go into the Cantinas, shop and eat, visit the beach. Very, very few problems. A lot fewer than you would see in the states, I wager.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: richard9151 (#64)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

These are your words. Please explain.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: richard9151 (#68)

I'm glad to hear it, but the same is not true anywhere near the border. And I doubt if it is true in Mexico City either. But the tourist towns are likely safer.

However, a recent article posted here, written by an ex-pat in Mexico, suggested that a single woman would probably not like Mexico.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull, robin, all (#61)

Yep. I think Mr. Mexico is taking the same immigration position as Morris Dees.

No stupid comments, Jethro, as is your normal mode of operation. Quotes. Tell me where I have said anything at all about immigration. Open borders. About allowing more Mèxicans into the states.

Quotes, Jethro. I post everything on 4um in the open, so I assume you have proof of your BS, right?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: richard9151 (#65)

No. Do you?

Yes, I carry. Do you? Does the Mexican govt. allow you to?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: richard9151, Jethro Tull, robin, willyone (#55)

Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

George Carlin had a nice joke about some parents trying to get a kid to eat some food that was "good for him."

Carlin in slow, superior voce: "How do you know you don't like it if you've never even tried?"

Carlin as not-to-be-tricked kid: "It came to me in a dream!"

Richard's correct I don't understand what it's like in a knowledge-by-acquaintance way. Is such knowledge-by-acquaintance necessary before analysis and decision? Why should I want such acquaintance?

There are only two ways for me to gain such knowledge-by-acquaintance. Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   18:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Tauzero (#73)

Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

laughing sideways ;)

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: richard9151 (#71)

Tell me where I have said anything at all about immigration. Open borders. About allowing more Mèxicans into the states.

It's all in #58; your quote and my question. Answer please....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jethro Tull (#69)

These are your words. Please explain.

Cute, Jethro, and right up your alley, as usual. Just quote a part of the message, right?

Here is the part I posted in number 55 above; andyone who wishes can go up there and read it in full;

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the importation of garbage food from the states.

Now, what part of that relates to California and Texas in the 1840s? Did they have NAFTA then? How about factory farms? Big item in the southwest in the 1840s, right?

But just to clear up any problems with your understanding (impossible!), what happened with NAFTA is that the border between Mèxico and the US was opened completely for food, and the US began shipping all of the excess food THAT THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE SELLING IN OTHER NATIONS because of various things (such as genetic tampering) into Mèxico, where thousands of families began to find that they could no longer support their families on the land that had been in their families for generations.

Little pieces of land, Jethro, usually less than 25 acres; land that they still worked with mules and horses for draft animals. Poor people, Jethro, who sold one or two hogs a year, maybe a hundred bushels of corn and various other food stuffs like chilis and melons. Just enough for money to buy clothing, coffee, cigerattes, some salt and etc. Enough to live on, Jethro, and all of a sudden, in just one year, it all changed with NAFTA, and if you care enough, you can find the info about this on the web.

Those families were driven off of the land, just as 25 million families have been driven off of the land in the US. And they had two choices; into the cities and compete for work that they were not trained for, or, head for the border to the north.

To bad, Jethro, you do not understand the dynamics of what is being done to your own country, much less to others.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   18:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Tauzero (#73)

Richard's correct I don't understand what it's like in a knowledge-by-acquaintance way. Is such knowledge-by-acquaintance necessary before analysis and decision? Why should I want such acquaintance?

There are only two ways for me to gain such knowledge-by-acquaintance. Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

Oh absolutely! ABSOLUTELY!! It makes much more sense to watch the evening news, listen to a couple of talking heads on TV, maybe Rushy Baby for some REAL TRUTH, read the Wall Street Journal, and then, then, you will have all of the information that you could possibly use!

Don`t we just see it all now... that redwhiteandblue rainbow over those golden shores....... ITS THE ONLY PLACE WORTH LIVING ON EARTH!

Well, good luck. Hope you enjoy the furture, cause you sure demonstrate where the problems come from; ignorance and intolerance. You do not know, you admit you do not know, and you still will make decisions as if you know. Ummmmm, sounds just like voters in the United States....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   19:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#75)

Tell me where I have said anything at all about immigration. Open borders. About allowing more Mèxicans into the states. It's all in #58; your quote and my question. Answer please....

You still have not told me, Jethro, where are the quotes BY ME about open borders, immigration into the US, permitting more Mèxicans in, and etc.

And just quotes, Jethro. No nonsense like you normally post.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   19:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: richard9151 (#76) (Edited)

anscetral (Mexican) lands (in the USA)

I assume you believe in sovereign national borders for both America and Mexico. Right? Further, I assume you oppose the current unfettered illegal Mexican immigration into America by this uneducated brown horde. Right?

On which side of the border are these anscetral Mexican lands you speak of? Please identify their geographical location and, if they are located in the USA, please identify the right of Mexican title to the land. Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   19:14:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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