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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2860
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#1. To: Zipporah (#0)

DHS should be shut down...period.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   14:45:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: who knows what evil (#1)

Absolutely..

This brought to mind this song...

Zipporah  posted on  2007-05-27   14:58:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-05-27   15:07:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: who knows what evil (#3)

We have reached a sad time in this country's history when you hear people that are seeking freedom giving more consideration to locating in Russia than America.

I have at least two friends who relocated to China. Of course, both were married to Chinese women whose parents came directly from China, but both also say that the change was like a breath of fresh air. That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   15:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: richard9151 (#7)

That, too, was my reaction once I was relocated to Mèxico and had time to look around and begin to understand the differences. That means, once I had begun to shed the propaganda from the media in the states about so-called third world nations, and, in particular, about Mèxico.

Can you elaborate on that?

Artisan  posted on  2007-05-27   16:45:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Artisan (#8)

Can you elaborate on that?

To a degree, yes, but it is something that needs to be experienced to understand.

More than anything, Mèxico is, more than anything, a common law nation; you do not damage someone else, they pretty much leave you alone.

Let me give you an example; there was an American who had a house here, but he did not live in it full time. So this one time, he can down from his home in Phoenix, and found that a number of things had been stolen out of his house. For whatever reason, he became convinced that a Mèxican who lived nearby was responsible. He went to the police, demanded action. They came down, spoke to the man, reported to the American that the Mèxican denied stealing anything, and, absent any evidence to the contrary, there was nothing further that they could do.

The American demanded; yes, DEMANDED, that the police forcibly enter the man`s house and search it and remove all of his, the Amerians, stolen items and return them to him! As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

The American was outraged! Why, if this had happened up in the states, you guys would have busted that door in and I would already have my stuff!!!

The sad thing is, the American was correct, and he also had no idea of just how foolish he sounded to those of us who understand.

And the caveat to this is that, of course, the American was completely wrong, but that did not stop him from making life miserable for the Mèxican and the police until the actual truth came out. The actual thief was his cousin (female), who needed some money quick for his`'habits'. I will let you guess as to what habits that may be.

And how do I know about this? Because I know the editor of the local gringo (English lan.) newspaper here. But the essence of the story pretty well illustrates the differences between Mèxico and the states, and, how far we, as a people, have degenerated.

Here, the police pretty well leave you alone unless you mess with them, or, injure someone. In the states, police work is all about revenue, and no one is immune.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-27   17:13:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: richard9151 (#10)

In your narative you refer to the cousin as female then claim the theft was to support "his" habit. So which is it. And no one especially a gringo gets in the face of a Mexican cop and demands anything especially against a Mexican. I guess I am saying your story is bullshit. But I do agree that in many ways Mexico is alot more laid back and not as controlling as the US which is now in every aspect of peoples lives.

willyone  posted on  2007-05-28   12:41:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: willyone, Jethro Tull (#18)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent. It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   13:47:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tauzero, all (#52) (Edited)

It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Good point. The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans. I have no idea what color Richard is, but living in Mexico isn't utopia. If it were, the current invasion we're experiencing would be flowing in the opposite direction. Just Google Mexico and violent crime and the stories are endless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull, Tauzero, willyone, all (#54)

The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans.

No body said anything about glory; if Americans, of whatever color, come down here, the first thing they must do is CONTRACT to pay the taxes. Mèxicans are not stupid; they do not extend the rights of their citizens to all johnny-come- latelys.

No body said anything about utopia. I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE. With a lot less interference from the police, and part of that is that the Mèxicans know very well that they need tourists from the states, and bad stories about how tourists, and any Americans are injured/robbed down here, hurt the tourist trade. Badly.

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the improtation of garbage food from the states.

As to crime rates, pretty hard for anyone living in the US to knock crime in some other courtry. Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

And by the way, my eyes are blue.....

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: richard9151, Jethro Tull, robin, willyone (#55)

Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

George Carlin had a nice joke about some parents trying to get a kid to eat some food that was "good for him."

Carlin in slow, superior voce: "How do you know you don't like it if you've never even tried?"

Carlin as not-to-be-tricked kid: "It came to me in a dream!"

Richard's correct I don't understand what it's like in a knowledge-by-acquaintance way. Is such knowledge-by-acquaintance necessary before analysis and decision? Why should I want such acquaintance?

There are only two ways for me to gain such knowledge-by-acquaintance. Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   18:48:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Tauzero (#73)

Richard's correct I don't understand what it's like in a knowledge-by-acquaintance way. Is such knowledge-by-acquaintance necessary before analysis and decision? Why should I want such acquaintance?

There are only two ways for me to gain such knowledge-by-acquaintance. Either move there myself, or invite Mexicans to my neighborhood. So once again we have an oblique approach.

Oh absolutely! ABSOLUTELY!! It makes much more sense to watch the evening news, listen to a couple of talking heads on TV, maybe Rushy Baby for some REAL TRUTH, read the Wall Street Journal, and then, then, you will have all of the information that you could possibly use!

Don`t we just see it all now... that redwhiteandblue rainbow over those golden shores....... ITS THE ONLY PLACE WORTH LIVING ON EARTH!

Well, good luck. Hope you enjoy the furture, cause you sure demonstrate where the problems come from; ignorance and intolerance. You do not know, you admit you do not know, and you still will make decisions as if you know. Ummmmm, sounds just like voters in the United States....

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   19:06:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: richard9151 (#77)

Oh absolutely! ABSOLUTELY!! It makes much more sense to watch the evening news, listen to a couple of talking heads on TV, maybe Rushy Baby for some REAL TRUTH, read the Wall Street Journal, and then, then, you will have all of the information that you could possibly use!

Actually I go more by the reports of my world-traveling sister. Her business of many years is small group scuba/diving tours, which she leads personally ( but I suspect she and/or her husband sometimes moonlight as mules, and I know she's greased a few palms.)

ITS THE ONLY PLACE WORTH LIVING ON EARTH!

Well, I think so, but that's just me. And I hate the coasts. I'll always be a cheesehead. Unfortunately lots of Mexicans think the U.S. is good, too. They'll eventually ruin what they came for, but in the meantime I can certainly understand the "get while the gettin's good" approach.

You do not know, you admit you do not know

Knowledge is not free, especially the kind you insist upon as a form of credential before discussion. That insistence is nothing more (or less) than begging the very question under consideration, as I'm sure you'll realize, if you think about it.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   19:29:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Tauzero (#81)

Knowledge is not free,

You got that right, Taz. Now go read 82 and 83, and tell me what else is new on this green earth.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-30   11:01:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: richard9151 (#84)

IT WILL BE EASY TO CLOSE OUR BORDERS TO THOSE MEX HORDES.

Yes it will be, if that's what we want, and we are willing to accept the consequences.

The people of Mèxico, hard as you find it to believe, are just people who want to eat, and live, and make little babies,

Of course they are.

they are not your enemy.

They can prove that by leaving. Nothing less will suffice. But it's really beside the point. Mexicans ruin areas for white Americans not because they want to, but because of who they are.

AND EVERY OTHER CAPITAL CITY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

But of course.

I admire the steps that Mèxico takes that ensure that anyone entering into Mèxico and planning to stay has a means of supporting themselves. Very intelligent.

Indeed. I also approve of their use of the military in this regard ( except for the rapes and robbery.) I disapprove of the aid the Mexican government gives to Mexicans who want to move north.

But hey, it is just a Mèxican plot, right?

A confluence of interests, rather.

HERE IS A SHOCKER FOR YOU, JETHRO! THEY HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF SCHOOLS IN MÈXICO!!

Which can only do a small amount of good, in light of the lower average IQ of Mexicans, shorter time preference, and higher impulsiveness. Mexico is not poor and backwards because of corruption and false leadership. Mexico is poor, backwards, and corrupt because of Mexicans.

The same is true of America's ills. But they are our ills.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-30   11:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Tauzero, Jethro Tull, christine, robin, all (#87)

Indeed. I also approve of their use of the military in this regard

I was going to leave this alone.... I really was, but what the hey!

I find it amusing, actually, that any United States citizen would dare to speak ill of the military of any other nation. Really, I do!

How many nations has the United States invaded in the last 60 years, Taz? (30 elections, get it?) And compared to that, how many nations has the military of Mèxico invaded?

How many nations does the United States occupy with troops today, Taz? And, of course, how many nations have Mèxican troops in them?

Over the last 60 years, how many rapes, murders and robberies have been committed by United States troops world-wide, Taz? I mean, Mai Lai and Aba Garib are now household words AROUND THE WORLD, so what would you think? 10,000? Nah. Way more! 40,000? Ummm, probably more..... Maybe 100,000... ummmm? And probably many, many more than that if we can believe the info that has been written about Viet Nam and now Iraq, in dozens of books, can be believed. And, I might add, that I certainly do believe it.

And who are those troops, Taz? Mèxicans? Ummm, nope. They come from some other so-called third world nation? Nope (well, maybe a few with the new citizen-shit bait being used for `volunteers'). No, I would think that about 99.9% of them, esp. those that cause the problems, are good ole Americans. Yep. Pretty sure that is the case.

But this is where I really enjoy your rantings! in light of the lower average IQ of Mexicans,

Let us just look at this a little bit, shall we?

90% of all Mèxicans live debt free. AND, most Mèxicans DO NOT have bank accounts. Now you probably believe both of those things are really, really weird, Taz, which goes to show who has the higher IQ; you, or the average Mèxican.

EVERY drug store in Mèxico carries natural cures and herbs, Taz. and they sell a lot of it, to the Mèxicans. All they sell to the gringos who come here is more and more drugs. Ummmmmm, wonder who is smarter.......

The Mèxican government DOES NOT permit legal, lic. marriages in the churches in Mèxico. And, the people here understand that if they did, that would be a subversion of the churches and a denial of separation of church and state. And, it would permit the federal government of Mèxico to interfere in the families much more than they do now. In the states, where you live, Taz, NO ONE will get married without that state issued lic., which, of course, gives the states rights to the children under the terms of the marriage contract by and between the husband, wife, and the state. Now, care to tell me who is smarter, you and the average Aemrican, or the average Mèxican?

The average Mèxican DOES NOT pay an income tax here. Why? Because they do not AND WILL NOT enter into contracts with the federal government of Mèxico. Most Mèxicans, without even knowing that Social Security comes from England, will not sign up for a number. Now, who is smarter, the average Mèxican, or the average American?

Now, I could continue this for quite some time, but why? I do not believe that you are smart enough to understand how propaganda is used to keep your attention on manufactured problems, and off of what is really going on, so why bother? Oh, and Taz, you can take this to the bank; my IQ has been poked, prodded and measured 4 different times, and I will guarentee that I am smarter than you. And, I have a lot more experience with Mèxicans, with law research, and with Americans and what they believe, think and do than the average joe, and the average Mèxican is more aware of what is actually going on in the world, where most of the problems originate that have bothered Mèxico and the world for the last 100 years (the United States, if you are wondering), and about what is important in their lives, which is their families, than does the average American. By a very wide margin.

But hey, I just speak the lingo and live here, so what do I know, right?

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-31   12:32:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: richard9151 (#91)

And compared to that, how many nations has the military of Mèxico invaded?

could that be because they're not an empire, but instead a poor nation whose military cannot afford such? there's no doubt, and no one is disagreeing with you on this, the US government and its puppetmasters is ruthless.

christine  posted on  2007-05-31   12:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#94. To: christine (#92)

could that be because they're not an empire, but instead a poor nation whose military cannot afford such?

Christine, I already posted the info on the Mèxican enconomy; trillion dollars last year, and 26th largest in the world.

The difference, Christine, is that the Mèxican government is prevented from taxing here by their Constitution, unlike in the United States. That has put a very tight limit on how much money the Mèxican government can borrow from the banksters in the US, and, a very strict limit on how much military they can afford.

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