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Title: No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval
Source: Press Esc
URL Source: http://pressesc.com/01180202266_eevs
Published: May 27, 2007
Author: IFP Canada
Post Date: 2007-05-27 14:42:23 by Zipporah
Keywords: None
Views: 2894
Comments: 124

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

Submitted by Canada IFP on Sat, 2007-05-26 18:00. | |

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

American Civil Liberties Union pointed out that the DHS's Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) is error plagued and if the department makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

Even current employees will need to obtain eligibility approval from the DHS Within 60 days of the Immigration Reform Act of 2006 becoming law.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."

The act allocates US$400 million for the implementation of the EEVS, but the Congressional Budgeting Office estimates the system to cost in excess of a billion dollars.

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#24. To: Zipporah (#0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   15:45:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#12)

we have close friends whose 20 yr old son had a russian friend visit him for about a month. this young man was appalled at the number of cops out on the streets of San Antonio. when told of the constant harrassment and number of insane laws on the books, he said, "we're much freer in Russia!"

we had a Romanian friend who was a political prisoner in a Romanian prison for 9 years who said the same thing. he died shortly before 911, and predicted something of the sort was coming down the road.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   15:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lodwick, BTP Holdings, El Cid, Poncho, Pippino, Quepasa.com (#23)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster. I think I'll die here, armed and preferably in bed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   15:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Zipporah (#0)

US citizens who apply for a job will need prior approval from Department of Homeland Security under the terms immigration bill passed by the Senate this week.

I wonder if Chertoff will be issuing Stars of David, for the ones he 'chooses', those of the tribe, and those who swear allegiance and pay taxes to the 'beast', and send the rest of us to the new sanhedrin in Israel for judgement?

re-cap.....

CONTROLLED PRESS HIDES CHERTOFF'S ISRAELI ROOTS *PIC*

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn Date: Friday, 4 March 2005, 1:32 p.m.

Exclusive to American Free Press

Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security, was approved in a 98-0 vote in the U.S. Senate without the question of his Israeli roots – and nationality – even being raised.

On February 15, 2005, Michael Chertoff, an apparent dual national with Israeli roots, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The new "homeland security czar," who oversees the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, seems to be hiding his own dual-national status – with the cooperation of the controlled press.

Although the media scrutinized Bernard Kerik, President George W. Bush's first choice to head DHS, and uncovered embarrassing details about his mother, there was no discussion of Chertoff's mother, who played a noteworthy role in the creation of the Zionist state in Palestine.

The omission of Chertoff's mother's Zionist past suggests that there is an effort by the media to conceal his ties to Israel and his status as a "de jure" Israeli national, by birth.

Under Israeli law, a child born to an Israeli citizen, including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel, is considered an Israeli citizen. The child remains an Israeli national until he or she formally renounces their Israeli nationality.

Chertoff was born on November 28, 1953 in Elizabeth, New Jersey, to the New York-born Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff and Livia Eisen, the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines, founded in 1948.

SON OF A RABBI

"The son of a rabbi," The Star-Ledger of Newark, New Jersey, reported on February 16, "Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, graduated from Harvard University in 1975, and received his law degree from Harvard Law School in 1978."

The Star-Ledger, Chertoff's hometown newspaper, however, seems to have omitted mentioning his mother to avoid discussing that Livia [Eisen] Chertoff lived and worked in Israel and was apparently an Israeli national.

The Star-Ledger is well aware of Livia's Israeli roots. Six years ago, in her obituary of December 21, 1998, the paper reported her role in the founding of Israel. "She [Livia Chertoff] was the first airline hostess for El Al airlines and participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the famous airlift of Yemenite Jews to Israel," it reported.

Even in 1998, however, The Star-Ledger was vague about Livia's nationality. "Born in Poland, Mrs. Chertoff lived in Palestine and Elizabeth before moving to Florida several years ago," it wrote.

Israel's citizenship law of 1952 says: "Any Jew who immigrated to Israel before July 14, 1952, was granted citizenship after declaring a desire to reside permanently in Israel." As El Al's first hostess, Livia probably held Israeli citizenship.

Furthermore, a "child born on or after July 14, 1952," is an Israeli citizen if "at least one of whose parents is a citizen of Israel, regardless of the child’s country of birth."

EVASIVE ANSWERS

Secretary Chertoff was evasive when American Free Press asked about his mother's nationality, which if Israeli, would make him an Israeli national.

A "national" is defined as a citizen of a particular nation, while formal citizenship status confers specific rights, duties, and privileges on the citizen.

Asked about the status of Chertoff's mother's nationality, DHS spokesman Brian Roehrkasse provided an evasive answer: "He does not hold, nor has he ever held, dual citizenship."

"While his mother did reside in Israel, he [Chertoff] does not believe she ever held Israeli citizenship," Roehrkasse said. She resided there during the British mandate period (prior to the creation of the state of Israel), later lived in the UK, and he believes she may have held British citizenship at the time she worked for El Al."

Livia reportedly participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the top-secret airlift of some 45,000 Yemenite Jews to Israel from June 1949 to September 1950. Livia's connection with El Al and the secret airlift operations run by Israeli intelligence, indicate she was involved with Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad.

Operation Magic Carpet was so secret it wasn't even revealed to the press until months after the last of the 380 flights from Yemen had arrived in Israel in late 1950.

Chertoff's children have attended Jewish private schools, and his wife, Meryl Justin, was a co-chair of the regional Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) civil rights committee.

Chertoff is secretive about his childhood, perhaps to avoid discussing the intense Talmudic and Zionist upbringing he received in a family in which all the men were rabbis and scholars of the Talmud.

"My childhood was...average...Nothing stands out. It all kind of blends into the murky past," he told The Star Ledger in March 2001. Pressed for more details, Chertoff "reclined in his chair" and said, "I'll take the Fifth."

Michael's father, Gershon, was the first child of Paul Chertoff from Russia, and Esther Barish, from "Roumania," according to the 1930 U.S. Census. Gershon graduated as a teacher of the Talmud at age 20, in May 1935.

In 1930, the immigrant couple lived in a $90 rented apartment in Brooklyn and had three children, Gershon, Naomi, and Mordecai. Imbued in the Talmud, the Chertoff children became ardent Zionists.

Chertoff's father, Gershon, was a rabbi and teacher of the Talmud, as was his uncle Mordecai. Their father, Paul, was a "teacher" of the Talmud at the Jewish Institute (yeshiva) in New York. When the elder Chertoff died in 1966, he was described as an "Ex-professor of Talmud" in the New York Times.

Naomi also studied the Talmud and was serving her fourth term as national president of the Young Women's Zionist Organization of America when she married in 1946. Naomi had attended Hebrew University in Palestine before Israel became a state on May 16, 1948.

While there are published reports of Chertoff family weddings in New York and London there are no reports in the New York press about the marriage of Chertoff's mother and father.

Because Livia came from Israel and worked for the state owned airlines, it seems probable they were married in Israel.

Given his mother's role in the founding of the Israeli state and the intense Zionist character of his family, it seems likely that Chertoff spent time in Israel as a child.

"My religious and spiritual beliefs are pretty much what I want them to be," he said. Given his background, this suggests he is a Talmudic Jew.

The Talmud is the body of rabbinical law that most American and Israeli Jews follow. The Talmud, however, re-interprets and negates much of the Torah and contains some anti-Christian sentiments. [For a better understanding of the anti-Christian aspects of the Talmud, read Israel Shahak's "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years"]

NO OPPOSITION

Unlike other Bush nominees, there was no opposition in the Senate to Chertoff heading DHS. The Senate voted 98-0 to approve Chertoff on February 15. Chertoff, 51, took the oath of office that night in "a private ceremony at the White House."

DHS has a $32 billion budget, 180,000 employees, and jurisdiction over immigration, customs and transportation security, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The question of Chertoff's dual-nationality doesn't seem to have concerned a single U.S. senator.

"I applaud President Bush for this outstanding choice," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.). "We are proud to have a man of his caliber and talent serving and protecting the American people."

"Our country is very fortunate to have someone with the background, experience, the intellect, the qualifications and the integrity of Judge Chertoff," Senator Susan Collins (R – Maine), chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said.

After six hours of debate, Collins urged the Senate to act quickly on Chertoff's nomination.

During the period before and after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, Chertoff headed the criminal division at the Department of Justice where he "helped trace the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the al-Qaida network."

Chertoff became Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, by a vote of 95-1 on May 24, 2001. The dissenting vote came from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D – N.Y.).

In this position Chertoff was architect of some of the most controversial elements of the Bush administration's domestic war on terrorism and played a central role in formulating the Bush administration's "anti-terrorism policy." He defended the administration's decisions to hold military tribunals for non-U.S. suspect terrorists and to monitor phone conversations between attorneys and their clients.

Chertoff oversaw the detention of 762 foreign nationals for minor immigration violations, although none was charged with a terrorism-related crime. The detention of hundreds of people was necessary to detect "sleeper cells" of terrorists, he said.

"Chertoff headed the Justice Department's criminal division when hundreds of foreigners were swept up on minor charges and held for an average of 80 days," The Washington Post reported. "Some detainees were denied their right to see a lawyer, were not told of the charges against them, or were physically abused."

At the same time, Chertoff allowed scores of suspected Israeli terrorists and spies to quietly return to Israel. In several cases, Israeli suspects working for phoney moving companies, such as Urban Moving Systems from Weehawken, N.J., were caught driving moving vans which tested positive for explosives. On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, which was found to be a Mossad front company, fled to Israel after FBI agents requested a second interview.

One group of 5 Israelis was seen on the roof of Urban Moving Systems videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center. These Israeli agents were returned to Israel on visa violations.

These Israeli suspects, and others, who had apparently transported explosives in the New York area, were allowed to return to Israel without being properly interrogated or their presence and activities in the United States having been vigorously investigated.

Finis

Photo: The new head of "Homeland Security," Michael Chertoff, is the only son of Livia Eisen, El Al's first "hostess" (Israel's state run airlines) and intelligence agent involved in Mossad's "Operation Magic Carpet."

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=66175

...........Bringing the “War on Terrorism” Home

Human rights advocates, civil libertarians, and immigrant rights activists sharply criticized the appointment of Chertoff for his abusive record as Ashcroft’s chief counterterrorism prosecutor. As the architect of the post-September 11th initiatives on the domestic war on terror, Chertoff supervised the round-up of 750 Arabs and other Muslims on suspicion of immigration violations. Treated as suspected terrorist sympathizers or material witnesses, the “suspects” were held without bond for as long as three months, often in solitary confinement, despite having never been charged with any crime. Eventually, most were released or deported after secret tribunals.

In a 2003 report, the Justice Department’s Inspector General criticized these draconian measures as “indiscriminate and haphazard.” The report also concluded that Chertoff and other top government officials instituted a “hold until clear” policy for immigrant detainees even though immigration officials questioned the policy’s legality. In his book After, author Steven Brill describes how Chertoff obstructed access by the post-9/11 detainees to lawyers, reasoning that they “could be questioned without lawyers present because they were not being charged with any crime.”

Not one of the almost exclusively Muslim “detainees” was ultimately indicted for terrorism-related crimes. Chertoff, who also coordinated the aggressive questioning of more than 5,000 Arab Americans immediately after the 9/11 attacks, remains unapologetic and continues to argue that the “war on terrorism” justifies the government’s right to hold suspects indefinitely without counsel as possible “enemy combatants.”

At the outset of his Senate confirmation hearings, the American Civil Liberties Union warned that Chertoff’s record on immigration control and homeland security “suggests he sees the Bill of Rights as an obstacle to national security.” After his confirmation, the ACLU lamented that his appointment “marks the second promotion of a top Bush administration official with ties to the torture scandal. Pointing out that “both Chertoff and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had a hand in crafting the Bush administration’s torture policies,” the ACLU called for independent counsel to investigate these policies since both new appointees are “too close to the issue to oversee any investigations.”

“Keep your eye on Michael Chertoff,” warned Elaine Cassel in June 2003 when Chertoff was appointed to the court of appeals. Cassel, an attorney who writes for Civil Liberties Watch, observed: “As bad for the law and Constitution as many of Bush’s judicial appointments are, Chertoff has been the architect of prosecutions in the ‘war on terror.’ And he may have big changes in mind for you, me, the courts, and the Constitution.”

No Regrets

Despite the mounting evidence that the administration authorized torture and detained immigrants without probable cause, Chertoff has consistently defended the constitutionality of the Bush administration’s counterterrorism operations at home. In November 2001, at the time when he was directing a national dragnet that targeted the immigrant Muslim population, Chertoff told Congress: “Nobody is being held incommunicado. Nobody is being denied the right to an attorney. Nobody is being denied due process.”

Writing in the Weekly Standard in December 2003, Chertoff defended himself and the Justice Department against charges that the Bush administration had gone beyond the historical precedents in its determination of what is permissible under the U.S. Constitution. According to Chertoff, President Bush has “avoided the kind of harsh measures common in previous wars.”

He argued that although the United States is engaged in a war with both domestic and international fronts, the president has not authorized “evacuation or preventive detention of American citizens based on ethnic heritage.” Nor has there been any “government suppression of dissent or criticism,” wrote Chertoff, adding that unlike such respected predecessors as John Adams or Woodrow Wilson, Bush “has not prosecuted those who argue against the administration, nor has the government seized newspapers or banned them from the mails, as Lincoln did.”

Concerning the detention of “enemy combatants,” Chertoff maintained that the Bush administration followed “customary and well-accepted practice of incapacitating enemy soldiers overseas.” Regarding such matters as deciding “how long combatants can be held when we are fighting a war of extended or indefinite duration,” Chertoff said we must “think outside the box but not outside the Constitution.”

In a June 2004 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, Chertoff wrote that we cannot win the war against terrorism if we “fight in a legal fog, constantly speculating and litigating piecemeal about what the law might be. A murky legal climate only obscures our options and hamstrings our forces.”

What about the role of the U.S. military or the CIA in home front operations? Chertoff, writing as an appeals court judge, said: “Basic policy questions like this cannot be simply left to the judiciary.”

“Creative Legal Thinking” or a Rollback of the Constitution?

Chertoff believes that it is time for “the most creative legal thinking” about the role of the U.S. justice system in “fighting a war of extended duration.” According to Chertoff, “We are at a transition point in the evolution of legal doctrine to govern the armed conflict of terror.”

One concern of his critics is that Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff—with the strong backing of the president—will roll back civil liberties and institutionalize a more restrictive view of the U.S. Constitution during this transition period......

Homeland Security's Chertoff: No Friend of Immigrants by Tom Barry

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0329-32.htm

Exposing the Zionist Lubavitchers who run the White House and Congress

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/06/267122.shtml

SIX-POINTED STAR: MARK OF THE BEAST [ I am not saying there is going to be a 'mark' or if there were, that it is going to be the star, but AntiChrist Zionism is certainly a Beast, and the article is interesting at least. It might even wake up a few of Pat Robertson's and John Hagee's people, if they could see it. ]

http://www.watch.pair.com/mark.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   16:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)

Here's your answer. Self Employment. How hard can it be to get around this shit?

Do you really want the government telling American Citizens who can and can't get a job in this country? If we allow this to stand, they will soon be telling us who can buy and sell.

Self employment is not for everyone, particularly since they have made that more difficult with all their rules and regulations, and since many industries are competing against illegals who are driving down wages with all their free health care, free education for their gaggle of kids, subsidized housing, and the whole bit.

For most people, not being able to work already means they will not be able to 'buy and sell'.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-05-28   16:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: willyone (#18)

"his"

It`s hers, so I miss typed, so sue me.

And no one especially a gringo gets in the face of a Mexican cop and demands anything especially against a Mexican. I guess this just goes to show how little you know about how it works down here. What do you think, the Mèxicans are as stupid as the people who listen to the media in the states? The Mèxicans know very well where all of the money they want down here comes from, and they go out of their way to not molest the gringos, unless it is something really, really out of line.

Not to say that they will not put the bite on someone once in a while for a bribe, but that is becoming more and more rare. The city is now advertising, in English, both on the radio and on billboards, and telling everyone that if anyone even hints at a bribe, to come directly to the city offices and report it.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan (#19)

if so I'll ping you to let you know how it's going.

Please, do that. I am always interested in how others fare in Mèxico.

As to the guns, there are more guns down here than you think. A LOT of people have them, including quite a number that I know. As one man told me (after he had known me for a number of years); 'We have more guns than the police do, and they know it!'

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country. A whole h--- of a lot of them got killed the last time there was a revolt in Mèxico, and I will say it again; Mèxicans are not like Americans; they will take to the streets! And it ain't pretty when they do!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull, willyone, La Raza, All (#20)

the American government cautions its citizens

Nuff said.

As to whether or not there have been problems, sure. However that may be, the basic rules apply no matter where you are; buyer beware, and when you go into some place where you do not know the rules, hey, better be a lot more than aware! There are always crooks, no matter where you go, and you can find the same type of horror stories anywhere in the US! Usually, with an attorney behind the problems rubbing his hands together as he anticipates his profit!

ejido land, communal farmland This type of land, ejido land, IS NOT FOR SALE. It is protected by the Constitution of Mèxico so that the poor can not be evicted from their land. Of course, this is now being changed because of pressure from the US, where the bankers what a clear path to disposses as many in Mèxico as they have in the states. However, I suspect that at the time this story was written, nothing had changed and this land could not be sold, under any circumstances. BUT, someone got a h--- of a deal on some very cheap land, I suspect, and hey! WHY NOT!!! We all know those dumb Mèxicans are just dumb!

Oops! No such thing as a free lunch, doncha know.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull, BTP Holdings, all (#22)

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country,

Jesus, this story is so full of shit, I hardly know where to start! But hey, anything you hear in the main stream media is THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH DONCHA KNOW!!!

But this sentance is a very good example. Mèxico actually has a pretty good Constitution, unlike the United States, and the people here are protected, esp. from taxation. If the average Mèxican does not ENTER INTO A CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HE PAYS NO TAXES!!! He is NOT required to have a Social Security number, unless he/she is a professional, lic. by the state.

If you will both please remember back to when I posted the ENABLING ACT info for Social Security in the US, showing it is actually an Income Tax, and thus a contractual nexus for ALL US citizens to pay the income tax, you will begin to see what I mean.

As to the rest of the story, BULLSHIT! Are there problems in a few areas? Yes, specifically in New Larado and in Mèxico City... but why anyone would like to live in either one is beyond me. And yes, I have relatives that live in Mèxico City, and we visit all of the time. Nothing is nearly as bad as what this story paints, which shows that this is simply another piece of BS from the media in the US!!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   18:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: richard9151 (#32)

It's unsurprising then that Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, robin, christine, all (#33)

Are you saying this statement from the article isn't true?

On the contrary; I am saying that it is ABSOLUTELY true, and it is true because the protections within the Constitution of Mèxico have not been undone, and, BECAUSE the people of Mèxico, most of them, are wiser than most Americans and WILL NOT enter into contracts with the federal government.

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#34)

And what, Jethro, are you maintaining that a lack of taxation is a VERY BAD thing, cause it halts the growth of the government?

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations, ergo the lowest taxation rate in Latin America. But fear not. The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

I think I'll die here, armed and preferably in bed.

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country. A whole h--- of a lot of them got killed the last time there was a revolt in Mèxico, and I will say it again; Mèxicans are not like Americans; they will take to the streets! And it ain't pretty when they do!

Good to know - it's way past time for lots of us to do more than take to the streets.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   19:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull, robin, all (#35)

I'm maintaining there isn't much to tax in 3rd world nations,

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

The economy of Mexico was the 15th largest in the world in 2006[1] with a gross domestic product that surpassed a trillion dollars in 2004[2], measured in purchasing power parity. Mexico has a free market and export-oriented economy and is firmly established as an upper middle-income country with the highest income per capita in Latin America, in market exchange rates. Mexico is the only Latin American member of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Perhaps, Jethro, you should check a few facts once in a while before you stick your foot in your mouth! And one of the biggest reasons that this economy is so robust and growing so fast, IS THE LACK OF TAXATION ON THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you get that, Jethro, and, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   19:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Mexico seems to be quite the cluster.

It's long past time for the militia to form up and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   19:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: lodwick (#36)

Freedom ship, eh? Has it a pub(s)?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   19:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Zipporah (#0)

No jobs for US citizens without Homeland Security approval

No FEDERAL JOB is the way it should read.

But the stupid sheeple and the blind idiots in the business world will go along with this crap just like they have done with the payroll withholding scheme.

The solution is, do not claim to be a U.S. citizen.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull, lodwick, BTP Holdings, willyone, La Raza, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Zipporah, Artisan, Pissed Off Janitor, who knows what evil, christine, all (#35)

The moment the Mexican govt. finds a way to tax the nation’s largest industry (Narcotic traffic) it will :)

So we get past the nonsense that people such as Jethro post, will everyone please read number 38? I appreciate it, and I think you will be just a little surprised.

As to this statement above, I happen to agree wholeheartedly! The drug problem in Mèxico comes from the US, and legalizing the problem here, and taxing it, would solve a lot of problems. BUT, everytime that Mèxico comes close (and they have come real close to doing this!) to this solution, pressure comes from north of the border, i.e., from the US government. Ever wonder why?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Pubs?

On every cruise ship that I've ever sailed, the pubs outnumber anything else - but better yet, are the duty-free shops where there is no taxation of any sort to be paid.

Booze is typically half the price that we pay in-country.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-28   20:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: richard9151 (#38)

Do you have any idea, Jethro, how big the ecomony of Mèxico is!?

Ah.....your economy is a big as the transnationals chooses to make it. When and if your rogue government refuses to kiss their ass, they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca in the dust searching for more reasonable labor. In fact this is already happening. I bet I’ll be able to pick up a tin roof hut on the cheap when that inevitable day comes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

they will fold their tents and leave your Mecca

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#43)

Excellent. Sobriety will be left stateside where it belongs

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: richard9151 (#45)

You mean, kind of like they have already left the good ole US of A?

Are u speaking in code? Translation please.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: BTP Holdings (#39)

and the Sheriff's to activate the Posse Comitatus

They've all become little tools of the federal government. They're picking out their retirement fishing poles and could care less about the state of the nation or their obligations.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   20:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#36)

Unless they get the stupid http://www.freedomship.com going on, same here.

Being as their last "news" update was over two years ago and they no longer seem to have any graphics on their website I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-05-28   20:33:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Elliott Jackalope (#49)

"...I'm afraid it looks like the "Freedom ship" is, pardon the pun, "dead in the water".

DOA they may be.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-29   8:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: richard9151 (#30)

That being said, the elite down here have a very justifiable fear of the peasants in this country.

Indeed. White hispanics shouldn't trust those with more Indian blood.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: willyone, Jethro Tull (#18)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent. It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   13:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: richard9151 (#10)

As the police explained to him, they could not do that, as Mèxican law forbade them from entering into the man`s home without a court order obtained legally, and based on eyewitness testimony.

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

I've heard countless stories, and seen them on shows like COPS, where they police act so far outside their authority and without a warrant it is simply unbelievable.

Jerks like him are the ones who cheer on the cops in those situations.

He should be thrown in the stocks on the public square so folks can humiliate him for being an enabler of the police state.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   13:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Tauzero, all (#52) (Edited)

It's the complement of open borders, an oblique approach. If you buy it, you'll be more receptive to open borders.

Good point. The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans. I have no idea what color Richard is, but living in Mexico isn't utopia. If it were, the current invasion we're experiencing would be flowing in the opposite direction. Just Google Mexico and violent crime and the stories are endless.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   13:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull, Tauzero, willyone, all (#54)

The glory of the Mexican nation is absurd, especially for white Americans.

No body said anything about glory; if Americans, of whatever color, come down here, the first thing they must do is CONTRACT to pay the taxes. Mèxicans are not stupid; they do not extend the rights of their citizens to all johnny-come- latelys.

No body said anything about utopia. I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE. With a lot less interference from the police, and part of that is that the Mèxicans know very well that they need tourists from the states, and bad stories about how tourists, and any Americans are injured/robbed down here, hurt the tourist trade. Badly.

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations, because of NAFTA and the improtation of garbage food from the states.

As to crime rates, pretty hard for anyone living in the US to knock crime in some other courtry. Course, I understand that you two live here, so you probably understand a lot more than I do.... NOT!

And by the way, my eyes are blue.....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   16:47:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: BTP Holdings (#53)

What a dufus. And to think, this fool is part of the problem of violation of substantive rights here.

You are correct, and the contradictions in his beliefs never even enter into his thinking.

It is kind of like Jethro trying to start an argument with me based on his belief that perhaps Mèxico's biggest problem is simply that they do not tax their citizens enough! Do you ever wonder if such people ever think before they write/speak?

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Tauzero, willyone, Jethro Tull, all (#52)

I guess I am saying your story is bullshit.

Of course it is, and it's utterly transparent.

What is it with you guys; pure racism, or just ignorance? Or, is it just that, hey!, those suckers in Mèxico mus be dum cause they don even unerstan plain english!

Here are two rules for you all to think about;

Rule number 1; all people every where are just about equal in intelligence. They may think a little different because of the form of their language, but just because they don`t understand English is not an excuse to treat them as dumb. On the other hand, people who get most of their info and beliefs from the major media in the United States, and accept it as gospel, well, they can certainly be rated as lacking in basic common sense, even if not actually rated as stupid. And that, frankly, is where most of what you clowns think you know about Mèxico comes from; the TV/radio/newspapers in the Untied States.

Rule number 2; Generally speaking, people do not cut off their own noses to spite their faces. They just don't do it! And given that Mèxicans are not stupid (HEY! TRILLION DOLLAR ECONOMY LAST YEAR!), then anyone with a lick of sense would understand that the average Mèxican DOES NOT HATE NOR PICK ON THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WHEN THAT AMERICAN VISITS MÈXICO. Why do you suppose that is? Cause that American is bringing m-o-n-e-y to Mèxico! And if the Mèxicans cause trouble for the Americans, then the m-o-n-e-y flow across the border dries up. What is truly interesting about this is that the average Mèxican is much, much better than the average United States citizen is in separating the actions of the government from the actions of the average citizen (of whatever nation).

In point of fact, what the average Mèxican has learned, long ago, IS DO NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR THE AMERICANS OR WE POLICE WILL LAND ON YOU WITH 6 OR 8 FEET! And the police do not cause problems for the average Americans either, cause their jobs depend on keeping the hotel and other large business owners happy....... or someone else gets their job. And anyone with a lick of sense, who had any idea of just how much building is going on in what is called the free zone, that (about) 25 mile wide strip just inside the Mèxican/US border, would understand this without needing to be hit over the head with it.

But hey! What do I know. There is only, roughly, 8,000 Americans here in this small town (not all permenant resisdents), with hundreds more planning on moving here to fill up all of the hundereds of new homes under construction, so, I must be about the only one who thinks as I do..... donchaknow.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   17:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: richard9151, all (#55)

And the invasion into the United States is by people who have been chased off of their anscetral lands, where they have lived and rasied families for generations

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tauzero, willyone, robin, BTP Holdings, IndieTX, Americans for Closed Borders, ALL (#58)

Ping to the above.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

Are you saying the open border invasion of America by Mexicans is justified because California, and Texas as examples, are actually Mexican anscetral lands?

That's a lie.

Native Americans of CA chased Mexicans back to Mexico many times.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   18:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#60)

Yep. I think Mr. Mexico is taking the same immigration position as Morris Dees.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: richard9151 (#55)

I said, there is a LOT more freedom here than there is in the states. A LOT MORE

Do you carry a gun?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   18:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#60)

Robin is correct in 60 in her history. I wish so much that young Americans were taught that in school. They indoctrinated with poison against our country, and so are the Mexicans.

There were a lot of violent conflicts between the Mexicans and natives of Arizona. In both Texas & in California they had revolutions in the 1830's where the Mexican government was chased out. and then they had the Mexican- American war in late 1840's. At the time when Mexican-American war ended around 1846 and all those western states were surrendered by Mexico only about 5% of who were then Mexicans lived north of today's border. and a lot of those 5% were more loyal to America than to Mexico - witness the revolutions in California & Texas where ethnic Mexicans fought against Mexico. Today it is like 40% of the ethnic Mexicans that live in our country I personally think. A lot of them have blended in with the Americans. The reality is that there's been a huge migration north and they're not natives.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-05-29   18:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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