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Title: Who Stole Our Culture?
Source: Worldnet Daily
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Published: May 28, 2007
Author: William Lind
Post Date: 2007-05-28 21:10:46 by YertleTurtle
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Views: 268
Comments: 18

Sometime during the last half-century, someone stole our culture. Just 50 years ago, in the 1950s, America was a great place. It was safe. It was decent. Children got good educations in the public schools. Even blue-collar fathers brought home middle-class incomes, so moms could stay home with the kids. Television shows reflected sound, traditional values.

Where did it all go? How did that America become the sleazy, decadent place we live in today – so different that those who grew up prior to the '60s feel like it's a foreign country? Did it just "happen"?

It didn't just "happen." In fact, a deliberate agenda was followed to steal our culture and leave a new and very different one in its place. The story of how and why is one of the most important parts of our nation's history – and it is a story almost no one knows. The people behind it wanted it that way.

What happened, in short, is that America's traditional culture, which had grown up over generations from our Western, Judeo-Christian roots, was swept aside by an ideology. We know that ideology best as "political correctness" or "multi-culturalism." It really is cultural Marxism, Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms in an effort that goes back not to the 1960s, but to World War I. Incredible as it may seem, just as the old economic Marxism of the Soviet Union has faded away, a new cultural Marxism has become the ruling ideology of America's elites. The No. 1 goal of that cultural Marxism, since its creation, has been the destruction of Western culture and the Christian religion.

To understand anything, we have to know its history. To understand who stole our culture, we need to take a look at the history of "political correctness."

Early Marxist theory

Before World War I, Marxist theory said that if Europe ever erupted in war, the working classes in every European country would rise in revolt, overthrow their governments and create a new Communist Europe. But when war broke out in the summer of 1914, that didn't happen. Instead, the workers in every European country lined up by the millions to fight their country's enemies. Finally, in 1917, a Communist revolution did occur, in Russia. But attempts to spread that revolution to other countries failed because the workers did not support it.

After World War I ended in 1918, Marxist theorists had to ask themselves the question: What went wrong? As good Marxists, they could not admit Marxist theory had been incorrect. Instead, two leading Marxist intellectuals, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary (Lukacs was considered the most brilliant Marxist thinker since Marx himself) independently came up with the same answer. They said that Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interests, that a Communist revolution was impossible in the West, until both could be destroyed. That objective, established as cultural Marxism's goal right at the beginning, has never changed.

A new strategy

Gramsci famously laid out a strategy for destroying Christianity and Western culture, one that has proven all too successful. Instead of calling for a Communist revolution up front, as in Russia, he said Marxists in the West should take political power last, after a "long march through the institutions" – the schools, the media, even the churches, every institution that could influence the culture. That "long march through the institutions" is what America has experienced, especially since the 1960s. Fortunately, Mussolini recognized the danger Gramsci posed and jailed him. His influence remained small until the 1960s, when his works, especially the "Prison Notebooks," were rediscovered.

Georg Lukacs proved more influential. In 1918, he became deputy commissar for culture in the short-lived Bela Kun Bolshevik regime in Hungary. There, asking, "Who will save us from Western civilization?" he instituted what he called "cultural terrorism." One of its main components was introducing sex education into Hungarian schools. Lukacs realized that if he could destroy the country's traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying its traditional culture and Christian faith.

Far from rallying to Lukacs' "cultural terrorism," the Hungarian working class was so outraged by it that when Romania invaded Hungary, the workers would not fight for the Bela Kun government, and it fell. Lukacs disappeared, but not for long. In 1923, he turned up at a "Marxist Study Week" in Germany, a program sponsored by a young Marxist named Felix Weil who had inherited millions. Weil and the others who attended that study week were fascinated by Lukacs' cultural perspective on Marxism.

The Frankfurt School

Weil responded by using some of his money to set up a new think tank at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. Originally it was to be called the "Institute for Marxism." But the cultural Marxists realized they could be far more effective if they concealed their real nature and objectives. They convinced Weil to give the new institute a neutral-sounding name, the "Institute for Social Research." Soon known simply as the "Frankfurt School," the Institute for Social Research would become the place where political correctness, as we now know it, was developed. The basic answer to the question "Who stole our culture?" is the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School.

At first, the Institute worked mainly on conventional Marxist issues such as the labor movement. But in 1930, that changed dramatically. That year, the Institute was taken over by a new director, a brilliant young Marxist intellectual named Max Horkheimer. Horkheimer had been strongly influenced by Georg Lukacs. He immediately set to work to turn the Frankfurt School into the place where Lukacs' pioneering work on cultural Marxism could be developed further into a full-blown ideology.

To that end, he brought some new members into the Frankfurt School. Perhaps the most important was Theodor Adorno, who would become Horkheimer's most creative collaborator. Other new members included two psychologists, Eric Fromm and Wilhelm Reich, who were noted promoters of feminism and matriarchy, and a young graduate student named Herbert Marcuse.

Advances in cultural Marxism

With the help of this new blood, Horkheimer made three major advances in the development of cultural Marxism. First, he broke with Marx's view that culture was merely part of society's "superstructure," which was determined by economic factors. He said that on the contrary, culture was an independent and very important factor in shaping a society.

Second, again contrary to Marx, he announced that in the future, the working class would not be the agent of revolution. He left open the question of who would play that role – a question Marcuse answered in the 1950s.

Third, Horkheimer and the other Frankfurt School members decided that the key to destroying Western culture was to cross Marx with Freud. They argued that just as workers were oppressed under capitalism, so under Western culture, everyone lived in a constant state of psychological repression. "Liberating" everyone from that repression became one of cultural Marxism's main goals. Even more important, they realized that psychology offered them a far more powerful tool than philosophy for destroying Western culture: psychological conditioning.

Today, when Hollywood's cultural Marxists want to "normalize" something like homosexuality (thus "liberating" us from "repression"), they put on television show after television show where the only normal-seeming white male is a homosexual. That is how psychological conditioning works; people absorb the lessons the cultural Marxists want them to learn without even knowing they are being taught.

The Frankfurt School was well on the way to creating political correctness. Then suddenly, fate intervened. In 1933, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, where the Frankfurt School was located. Since the Frankfurt School was Marxist, and the Nazis hated Marxism, and since almost all its members were Jewish, it decided to leave Germany. In 1934, the Frankfurt School, including its leading members from Germany, was re-established in New York City with help from Columbia University. Soon, its focus shifted from destroying traditional Western culture in Germany to doing so in the United States. It would prove all too successful.

New developments

Taking advantage of American hospitality, the Frankfurt School soon resumed its intellectual work to create cultural Marxism. To its earlier achievements in Germany, it added these new developments.

Critical Theory

To serve its purpose of "negating" Western culture, the Frankfurt School developed a powerful tool it called "Critical Theory." What was the theory? The theory was to criticize. By subjecting every traditional institution, starting with family, to endless, unremitting criticism (the Frankfurt School was careful never to define what it was for, only what it was against), it hoped to bring them down. Critical Theory is the basis for the "studies" departments that now inhabit American colleges and universities. Not surprisingly, those departments are the home turf of academic political correctness.

Studies in prejudice

The Frankfurt School sought to define traditional attitudes on every issue as "prejudice" in a series of academic studies that culminated in Adorno's immensely influential book, "The Authoritarian Personality," published in 1950. They invented a bogus "F-scale" that purported to tie traditional beliefs on sexual morals, relations between men and women and questions touching on the family to support for fascism. Today, the favorite term the politically correct use for anyone who disagrees with them is "fascist."

Domination

The Frankfurt School again departed from orthodox Marxism, which argued that all of history was determined by who owned the means of production. Instead, they said history was determined by which groups, defined as men, women, races, religions, etc., had power or "dominance" over other groups. Certain groups, especially white males, were labeled "oppressors," while other groups were defined as "victims." Victims were automatically good, oppressors bad, just by what group they came from, regardless of individual behavior.

Though Marxists, the members of the Frankfurt School also drew from Nietzsche (someone else they admired for his defiance of traditional morals was the Marquis de Sade). They incorporated into their cultural Marxism what Nietzsche called the "transvaluation of all values." What that means, in plain English, is that all the old sins become virtues, and all the old virtues become sins. Homosexuality is a fine and good thing, but anyone who thinks men and women should have different social roles is an evil "fascist." That is what political correctness now teaches children in public schools all across America. (The Frankfurt School wrote about American public education. It said it did not matter if school children learned any skills or any facts. All that mattered was that they graduate from the schools with the right "attitudes" on certain questions.)

Media and entertainment

Led by Adorno, the Frankfurt School initially opposed the culture industry, which they thought "commodified" culture. Then, they started to listen to Walter Benjamin, a close friend of Horkheimer and Adorno, who argued that cultural Marxism could make powerful use of tools like radio, film and later television to psychologically condition the public. Benjamin's view prevailed, and Horkheimer and Adorno spent the World War II years in Hollywood. It is no accident that the entertainment industry is now cultural Marxism's most powerful weapon.

The growth of Marxism in the United States

After World War II and the defeat of the Nazis, Horkheimer, Adorno and most of the other members of the Frankfurt School returned to Germany, where the Institute re-established itself in Frankfurt with the help of the American occupation authorities. Cultural Marxism in time became the unofficial but all-pervasive ideology of the Federal Republic of Germany.

But hell had not forgotten the United States. Herbert Marcuse remained here, and he set about translating the very difficult academic writings of other members of the Frankfurt School into simpler terms Americans could easily grasp. His book "Eros and Civilization" used the Frankfurt School's crossing of Marx with Freud to argue that if we would only "liberate non-procreative eros" through "polymorphous perversity," we could create a new paradise where there would be only play and no work. "Eros and Civilization" became one of the main texts of the New Left in the 1960s.

Marcuse also widened the Frankfurt School's intellectual work. In the early 1930s, Horkheimer had left open the question of who would replace the working class as the agent of Marxist revolution. In the 1950s, Marcuse answered the question, saying it would be a coalition of students, blacks, feminist women and homosexuals – the core of the student rebellion of the 1960s, and the sacred "victims groups" of political correctness today. Marcuse further took one of political correctness's favorite words, "tolerance," and gave it a new meaning. He defined "liberating tolerance" as tolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the left, and intolerance for all ideas and movements coming from the right. When you hear the cultural Marxists today call for "tolerance," they mean Marcuse's "liberating tolerance" (just as when they call for "diversity," they mean uniformity of belief in their ideology).

The student rebellion of the 1960s, driven largely by opposition to the draft for the Vietnam War, gave Marcuse a historic opportunity. As perhaps its most famous "guru," he injected the Frankfurt School's cultural Marxism into the baby boom generation. Of course, they did not understand what it really was. As was true from the Institute's beginning, Marcuse and the few other people "in the know" did not advertise that political correctness and multi-culturalism were a form of Marxism. But the effect was devastating: a whole generation of Americans, especially the university-educated elite, absorbed cultural Marxism as their own, accepting a poisonous ideology that sought to destroy America's traditional culture and Christian faith. That generation, which runs every elite institution in America, now wages a ceaseless war on all traditional beliefs and institutions. They have largely won that war. Most of America's traditional culture lies in ruins.

A counter-strategy

Now you know who stole our culture. The question is, what are we, as Christians and as cultural conservatives, going to do about it?

We can choose between two strategies. The first is to try to retake the existing institutions – the public schools, the universities, the media, the entertainment industry and most of the mainline churches – from the cultural Marxists. They expect us to try to do that, they are ready for it, and we would find ourselves, with but small voice and few resources compared to theirs, making a frontal assault against prepared defensive positions. Any soldier can tell you what that almost always leads to: defeat.

There is another, more promising strategy. We can separate ourselves and our families from the institutions the cultural Marxists control and build new institutions for ourselves, institutions that reflect and will help us recover our traditional Western culture.

Several years ago, my colleague Paul Weyrich wrote an open letter to the conservative movement suggesting this strategy. While most other conservative (really Republican) leaders demurred, his letter resonated powerfully with grass-roots conservatives. Many of them are already part of a movement to secede from the corrupt, dominant culture and create parallel institutions: the homeschooling movement. Similar movements are beginning to offer sound alternatives in other aspects of life, including movements to promote small, often organic family farms and to develop community markets for those farms' products. If Brave New World's motto is "Think globally, act locally," ours should be "Think locally, act locally."

Thus, our strategy for undoing what cultural Marxism has done to America has a certain parallel to its own strategy, as Gramsci laid it out so long ago. Gramsci called for Marxists to undertake a "long march through the institutions." Our counter-strategy would be a long march to create our own institutions. It will not happen quickly, or easily. It will be the work of generations – as was theirs. They were patient, because they knew the "inevitable forces of history" were on their side. Can we not be equally patient, and persevering, knowing that the Maker of history is on ours?

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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Who Stole Our Culture?

ADL/PNAC/AIPAC/NAACP/ACLU/SPLC/federal media/Hollywood

Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.

wbales  posted on  2007-05-28   21:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

It's a good read and quite accurate. Now....how do we resist this? Game plan anyone?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-28   21:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: YertleTurtle, Jethro Tull, Robin (#0)

This school started after the Hungarian Jews took over in a Communist revolution that was over turned by coal miners and others who were for socialism but opposed the enforced Judaic insanity of their new ruling class. Cultural Marxism and drugs are the main avenues for destroying the ways of the goyim so they cannot resist their new masters.

I once met a young Mexican man who spouted off all of this cultural degeneracy. I said one thing to him that changed his life forever. It seems to me that you have seen 150 too many Jewish movies. An older unrelated Mexican man and woman agreed and said they would repeat what I said to their children. The young man decided to turn his life around and to reject Jewish cultural destruction and depravity.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-05-28   22:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Lind gets it right. I've seen this all before and it never hurts to review it.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   23:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

our Western, Judeo-Christian roots,

This is the only thing I disagree with. Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron.

Even if you posit that Christianity has its roots in Judaism, the modern form of Christianity is so different from that of early Christians as to be almost unrecognizable.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   23:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

Cultural Communism; The Vivisection of America

The Communists Lost the cold War - But They're Winning the Culture War. Now It's Time to Expose Them and Fight Back!

Communism Isn't Dead, It's Just Been Renamed

The only way to describe what's happening to us is to understand the nihilistic movement named Cultural Communism.

By F.C Blahut

The rise of political correctness has coincided with the fall of Western Cultural norms. Few recognize the connection between the two trends. The connection is called Cultural Communism. What we here in the United States and in Christian Europe are actually witnessing is the planned destruction of Western civilization. It is no accident.

When the Bolsheviks came to power in Russia, their attack was economic and political. Only after they had seized power did they turn to destroying the Christian-based culture of the West.

With the political correctness movement we see the reverse - an attack on the Christian culture so that the communists can take over. And cultural bolshevism is winning while Christian leaders wring their hands.

In a recent speech to a meeting of the World Council of Churches, Anglican Archbishop Dr. George Carey of Canterbury said: ‘For much of this century, the Western church, especially in Europe, has accepted decline as the inevitable result of secularism."

True; but he failed to identify the driving force behind the slide. Nature abhors a vacuum. When one culture dies, it is replaced by another until nothing is left of the former. And when Western Christian culture is destroyed, it will be replaced by chaos, anarchy and violence as a norm. All this without any casualties on the side of the conspirators.

Cultural bolshevism encompasses all of the modernist changes that have invaded America including - but not limited to - multiculturalism, feminism, racial and gender quotas, school busing based on race and so forth.

How far we have sunk into the morass of this cultural bolshevism in less than 50 years is easily identifiable - and frightening.

As essayist William S. Lind says: "If a man form America of the 1950s were introduced into America in the 1990s, he would hardly recognize it as the same country. He would be in immediate danger of getting mugged, car-jacked or worse, because he would not have learned to live in constant fear.

Again, this is not by accident. Every step in the decline of Western culture has been planned for years. It started in Germany in the early years of this century. Germany was the original target of the bolsheviks. When Hitler took over, they came here.

What started as an ideological plan was institutionalized at the Frankfurt School. Goals were wet, designs implemented and the move - seen by the plotters as inevitable once it got started - toward cultural communism began.

One of the main targets of cultural bolshevism is Christianity. Some leader, such as the archbishop of Canterbury quoted above, witness the decline as a natural force. They unwittingly help the bolsheviks. Others see the planned destruction without specifically identifying the enemy of suggesting practical ways of resisting.

For instance, in a letter to The Washington Post (Dec.l3m 1998), Rev. Stanley W. De Boe, director of the Center for Jewish and Christian Values in Washington, quotes Jack Shaheen, CBS News' Middle East consultant, "Almost all Hollywood stories about Arabs are about the bad ones.

Then he makes the salient point: "Just as troubling is the problem of religious stereotyping in films. Substitute the word ‘Christian' in the sentence above, and it's just as valid."

Right. Hollywood, the self-proclaimed setter of cultural standards and norms, sees Christianity as the enemy. Boe's further comments are apropos:

Post reporter Sharon Waxman missed an opportunity to address the issue in her Nov. 7 front page article about protests over the movie The Siege, when she asked readers to imagine Hollywood producing a movie with "...a nefarious rabbi..." Such movies "would certainly spark an outcry," she conceded, but "would Hollywood choose to portray them in the first place?"

Of course not. He says, correctly:

Most characters with strong religious beliefs tend to be lampooned, demonized or exposed as hypocrites. Heroes on the other hand, often have no religious convictions. The message, whether intentional or not [emphasis ours], is that traditional religious beliefs should be considered dangerous.

And there is a key part of the problem - the inability of leaders to admit that these incessant attacks on our culture are a part of a plan - a conspiracy.

MEA CULPA

The Frankfurt School, mentioned above, moved to the United States in the 1930s when the National Socialists threw them out. It moved back to Germany after World War II to help subjugate the defeated nation culturally. Its success in convincing Germans that their very culture is evil and must be replaced while they sit in sackcloth and ashes, endlessly crying "mea culpa," is evidenced most clearly in the "anti-hate" laws of that benighted country.

German culture has been seriously damaged, even as the younger generation questions the doctrine of "eternal guilt." Will American culture be next?

Lind says:

Cultural bolshevism's political correctness looms over American society like a colossus. It has taken over both political parties...and is enforced by many laws and government regulations. It almost totally controls the most powerful element in our culture, the entertainment industry. It dominates both public and higher education...It has even captured the higher clergy in many Christian churches. Anyone in the Establishment who departs from its dictates swiftly ceases to be a member of the Establishment.

The hour grows late. We must identify the enemy and fight him, even when that means punishment by the powers-that-be. We must call this attack what it is - a deliberate effort to destroy all that made us the most powerful country in the world in order to turn us into the field workers of the coming Global Plantation.

http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/AmericanFreePress/AFPNews Jan02.htm#anchor110367

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-28   23:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Now....how do we resist this? Game plan anyone?

I have one plan, how's your German?

Just joking. (maybe)

karelian  posted on  2007-05-29   0:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: karelian (#7)

Really? Off to Deutschland should the poop hit the rotation device? Me? I'm here for the duration, be it good or bad.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-05-29   7:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle, Jethro Tull (#0)

Sometime during the last half-century, someone stole our culture. Just 50 years ago, in the 1950s, America was a great place. It was safe. It was decent. Children got good educations in the public schools. Even blue-collar fathers brought home middle-class incomes, so moms could stay home with the kids.

Sometimes cancer victims strongly rally just before they croak.

Television shows reflected sound, traditional values.

Ha!

The first is to try to retake the existing institutions – the public schools, the universities, the media, the entertainment industry and most of the mainline churches – from the cultural Marxists. They expect us to try to do that, they are ready for it, and we would find ourselves, with but small voice and few resources compared to theirs, making a frontal assault against prepared defensive positions. Any soldier can tell you what that almost always leads to: defeat.

There is another, more promising strategy. We can separate ourselves and our families from the institutions the cultural Marxists control and build new institutions for ourselves, institutions that reflect and will help us recover our traditional Western culture... Many of them are already part of a movement to secede from the corrupt, dominant culture and create parallel institutions: the homeschooling movement. Similar movements are beginning to offer sound alternatives in other aspects of life, including movements to promote small, often organic family farms and to develop community markets for those farms' products.

"There are those who say: 'Something has to happen. You have to do something. If you want to fight the movie industry, you must build your own theater, even if it at first has only the most primitive equipment. And if you see that the children are being poisoned by what they read in school, you must begin to win children's souls and give them the antidote.' My reply is simple: You can spend ten years giving the antidote to the poison that is produced by a badly led cultural establishment, but a single decree from the Ministry of Culture can destroy all your work. If you had spent that ten years winning fighters for the movement, the movement would have conquered the Ministry of Culture! Everything else is mere piecework."

Aside: What's the origin of the term "Western culture"? I'd like to know. Culture is an aristocratic ideal (not that that's a bad thing.) "Culture" is also today a way for many to avoid talking about race. "Western" I think perhaps tries to falsely unify peoples that cannot be unified, though they do share some propensities.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   12:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

We must identify the enemy

Backwards, IMO. First define what you are for, and stick to it. Enemies will mostly identify themselves.

Some will attempt to insinuate themselves by proffering agreement qualified by critique. It's not entirely clear whether they should be considered intentional enemies. Perhaps they cannot help themselves. Behaviorally I think one should shoot for the extinction response: Critique shall get them nowhere, but also earns little antipathy. (And if in fact they cannot help themselves, it doesn't deserve antipathy.) They will then tend to keep their own counsel, and choose sides as they see fit.

Don't waste your pucker on some all-thing sucker.

Tauzero  posted on  2007-05-29   12:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tauzero (#9) (Edited)

Aside: What's the origin of the term "Western culture"? I'd like to know. Culture is an aristocratic ideal (not that that's a bad thing.) "Culture" is also today a way for many to avoid talking about race. "Western" I think perhaps tries to falsely unify peoples that cannot be unified, though they do share some propensities.

European culture is basically rooted in the Greek and Roman times, as I'm sure you know. This "Western" ideal is what is referred to when we talk about culture.

Most certainly, the cultures of the east are anathema to European culture, as is evidenced by the Turks who invaded Europe. The fact that there are many smaller ethnic divisions in Europe, and the resulting discrimination which occurs when two (or more) of these ethnicities come into contact is proof enough that Europe could never be unified except under artificial conditions.

We see this today in the attempts to impose the EU on people who really want little to do with it, and the attempts to water down those national cultures and ethnicities with the Zionist ideal of multiculuralism by using uncontrolled immigration as a tool for the destruction of the culture.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: YertleTurtle (#0)

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-29   13:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: BTP Holdings (#11)

I don't think the EU waters down the cultures of Europe, but it does empower all of Europe.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   13:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#13) (Edited)

I don't think the EU waters down the cultures of Europe

That's really what they are doing when they erase the borders. Right now, the division between the Walloons and Flemish in Belgium is so pronounced that there is a good chance that the Flemish portion will break away and become independent or join with Holland. That would leave the French speaking Walloons to be annexed by France. And to think, the EU is based in Brussels. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   13:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BTP Holdings (#14)

Well Belgium is a new invention (like Kuwait) ;p

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   13:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#15)

Well Belgium is a new invention

There are a few of them which have popped up in Europe over time. All of them have been broken up at some point or another; Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and other areas such as Moldova are good examples. There are more.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   13:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BTP Holdings (#16)

True, and superficial/artificial boundaries rarely last. Consider how Germany's national boundary has changed over the decades/centuries.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   13:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Really? Off to Deutschland should the poop hit the rotation device? Me? I'm here for the duration, be it good or bad.

So am I. What I meant was how is your German language skill. When one needs to explain a pun, it had obviously fallen flat. Sorry.

karelian  posted on  2007-05-29   15:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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