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Title: Net taxes could arrive by this fall
Source: http://news.com.com/
URL Source: http://news.com.com/Net+taxes+could ... +fall/2100-1028_3-6186193.html
Published: May 23, 2007
Author: Declan McCullagh
Post Date: 2007-05-29 10:28:21 by robin
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Net taxes could arrive by this fall

By Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Net+taxes+could+arrive+by+this+fall/2100-1028_3-6186193.html

Story last modified Thu May 24 06:25:25 PDT 2007


The era of tax-free e-mail, Internet shopping and broadband connections could end this fall, if recent proposals in the U.S. Congress prove successful.

State and local governments this week resumed a push to lobby Congress for far-reaching changes on two different fronts: gaining the ability to impose sales taxes on Net shopping, and being able to levy new monthly taxes on DSL and other connections. One senator is even predicting taxes on e-mail.

At the moment, states and municipalities are frequently barred by federal law from collecting both access and sales taxes. But they're hoping that their new lobbying effort, coordinated by groups including the National Governors Association, will pay off by permitting them to collect billions of dollars in new revenue by next year.

If that doesn't happen, other taxes may zoom upward instead, warned Sen. Michael Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, at a Senate hearing on Wednesday. "Are we implicitly blessing a situation where states are forced to raise other taxes, such as income or property taxes, to offset the growing loss of sales tax revenue?" Enzi said. "I want to avoid that."

A flurry of proposals that pro-tax advocates advanced this week push in that direction. On Tuesday, Enzi introduced a bill that would usher in mandatory sales tax collection for Internet purchases. Second, during a House of Representatives hearing the same day, politicians weighed whether to let a temporary ban on Net access taxes lapse when it expires on November 1. A House backer of another pro-sales tax bill said this week to expect a final version by July.

"The independent and sovereign authority of states to develop their own revenue systems is a basic tenet of self government and our federal system," said David Quam, director of federal relations at the National Governors Association, during a Senate Commerce committee hearing on Wednesday.

Internet sales taxes
At the moment, for instance, Seattle-based Amazon.com is not required to collect sales taxes on shipments to millions of its customers in states like California, where Amazon has no offices. (Californians are supposed to voluntarily pay the tax owed when filing annual state tax returns, but few do.)

Ideas to alter this situation hardly represent a new debate: officials from the governors' association have been pressing Congress to enact such a law for at least six years. They invoke arguments--unsuccessful so far--like saying that reduced sales tax revenue threatens budgets for schools and police.

But with Democrats now in control of both chambers of Congress, the political dynamic appears to have shifted in favor of the pro-tax advocates and their allies on Capitol Hill. The NetChoice coalition, which counts as members eBay, Yahoo and the Electronic Retailing Association and opposes the sales tax plan, fears that the partisan shift will spell trouble.

One long-standing objection to mandatory sales tax collection, which the Supreme Court in a 1992 case left up to Congress to decide, is the complexity of more than 7,500 different tax agencies that each have their own (and frequently bizarre) rules. Some legal definitions (PDF) tax Milky Way Midnight candy bars as candy and treat the original Milky Way bar as food. Peanut butter Girl Scout cookies are candy, but Thin Mints or Caramel deLites are classified as food.

The pro-tax forces say that a concept called the Streamlined Sales Tax Agreement will straighten out some of the notorious convolutions of state tax laws. Enzi's bill, introduced this week, relies on the agreement when providing "federal authorization" to require out-of-state retailers "to collect and remit the sales and use taxes" due on the purchase. (Small businesses with less than $5 million in out-of-state sales are exempted.)

It's "important to level the playing field for all retailers," Enzi said during Wednesday's hearing.

While it's too early to know how much support Enzi's bill will receive, foes of higher taxation are marshaling their allies. Sen. Ted Stevens, an Alaska Republican, said Wednesday that he'd like "to see an impregnable ban on taxes on the Internet."

A taxing question

Pro-tax and antitax forces are jockeying for position before a Net access tax moratorium expires in November. Also on the table: a proposal to usher in mandatory online sales taxes.

Enzi bill: Ushers in mandatory sales taxes on Internet purchases.

S. 156: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently.

H.R. 1077: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently and eliminates grandfather provision permitting nine states to collect taxes.

H.R. 763: Renews expiring access tax moratorium permanently.

Jeff Dircksen, the director of congressional analysis at the National Taxpayers Union in Alexandria, Va., said in written testimony prepared for the hearing: "If such a system of extraterritorial collection is allowed, Congress will have opened the door to any number of potential tax cartels that will eventually harm rather than help taxpayers."

Internet access taxes
A second category of higher Net taxes is technically unrelated, but is increasingly likely to be linked when legislation is debated in Congress later this year. That category involves access taxes, meaning taxes that local and state governments levy to single out broadband or dial-up connections. (See CNET News.com's Tech Politics podcast this week with former House Majority Leader Dick Armey on this point.)

If the temporary federal moratorium is allowed to expire in November, states and municipalities will be allowed to levy a dizzying array of Net access taxes--meaning a monthly Internet connection bill could begin to resemble a telephone bill or airline ticket with innumerable and confusing fees tacked on at the end. In some states, telephone fees, taxes and surcharges run as high as 20 percent of the bill.

These fees that states levy on mobile phones, cable TV and landlines run far higher than state sales taxes at an average of 13.3 percent, cost the average household $264 a year, and total $41 billion annually, according to a report published by the Chicago-based Heartland Institute this month. Landlines are taxed at the highest rate, 17.23 percent, with Internet access being virtually tax free, with the exception of a few states that were grandfathered in a decade ago.

Dircksen, from the National Taxpayers Union, urged the Senate on Wednesday to "encourage economic growth and innovation in the telecommunications sector--in contrast to higher taxes, fees and additional regulation" by at least renewing the expiring moratorium, and preferably making it permanent. Broadband providers like Verizon Communications also want to make the ban permanent.

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But state tax collectors are steadfastly opposed to any effort to renew the ban, let alone impose a permanent extension. Harley Duncan, the executive director of the Federation of Tax Administrators, said Wednesday that higher taxes will not discourage broadband adoption and his group "urges Congress not to extend the Act because it is disruptive of and poses long-term dangers for state and local fiscal systems."

Sen. Daniel Inouye, the influential Democratic chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, said: "Listening to the testimony, I would opt for a temporary extension, if at all."

If the moratorium expires, one ardent tax foe is predicting taxes on e-mail. A United Nations agency proposed in 1999 the idea of a 1-cent-per-100-message tax, but retreated after criticism. (A similar proposal, called bill "602P," is, however, actually an urban legend.)

"They might say, 'We have no interest in having taxes on e-mail,' but if we allow the prohibition on Internet taxes to expire, then you open the door on cities and towns and states to tax e-mail or other aspects of Internet access," said Sen. John Sununu, a New Hampshire Republican. "We need to be honest about what we're endorsing and what we're opposing."

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#1. To: All, Neil McIver, Critter (#0)

ping

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   10:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

How do these fools think they represent us?

Ron Paul is right, we can eliminate the income tax and not have to replace it with anything. It only amounts to 1/3 of our current budget. Just cut back spending by 1/3 and there would be no need for the income tax. These fools however just look for more ways to make us slaves while they are supposed to be working for us! They do not represent us anymore. They represent the elite. This is a clear case of taxation without representation. That's what started the revolution against Great Britain which started this country. It's looking like it may be time for such a revolution again if these fools continue to forsake their sworn oaths to represent us. We don't want these damn taxes and would prefer they end now! They should listen to us if they really represented us.

God is always good!
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RickyJ  posted on  2007-05-29   10:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

Nope, don't let them get ANY!!! Starve the f*****s out! Boo freakin' hoo to the revenue issue, they're rising right along with inflation and spending activity, if the bastards can't keep it at or under inflation, then they either need to be booted or hanged...

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Axenolith  posted on  2007-05-29   10:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

Internet access taxes

If you want more of something, lower the taxes......

If you want less of something, such as internet access, raise the taxes.....

Basic rules of government.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   11:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: RickyJ (#2)

Just cut back spending by 1/3 and there would be no need for the income tax.

That is not the purpose of the income tax, and the politicians know that very well.

If you go back to the begining of the income tax, and chart the collections (as some men have done), you will see a very close correlation between the interest paid on the so-called national debt, and the income tax collections. As the interest paid on the national debt goes up, so do income tax collections.

As you begin to catch on to what is actually going on, little things begin to make more sense; for instance, all checks to the IRS are stamped on the back For Deposit in the Federal Reserve in payment of US debt. (I paraphrase here; been many years since I have seen the stamp.)

I assume you know that the Federal Reserve and the IRS are private. And that the income tax is a contractual obligation (see the Enabling Act for Social Security, which I have posted before on 4um). When you put these facts together, you begin to see what is actually going on.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-05-29   11:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

If the moratorium expires, one ardent tax foe is predicting taxes on e-mail. A United Nations agency proposed in 1999 the idea of a 1-cent-per-100-message tax, but retreated after criticism. (A similar proposal, called bill "602P," is, however, actually an urban legend.)

If email is taxed, people will just be encouraged to use other means to communicate, like the pmail system here on 4um, or instant messaging or skype, which offers delayed xmission of chat attempts. Attempting to tax a particular internet protocol is ridiculous.

One tax I honestly would not mind Congress imposing is on domain name registrations. Right now domain name registration is so cheap that cybersquatters are out in force registering any and every domain name that they can possibly dream up of being in demand some day with the hope of selling them for big bucks to people and businesses that have a legitimate interest in it. Then they put junk on the page which gets indexed on search engines interferring with your attempts to find what you're looking for. They also grab up domains that errantly expire, putting the original owner in a serious bind. But taxing domain name registration fees would help stamp out the ridiculous practice and allow many domain names to become available to those that honestly want it.

Of course Congress doesn't need the money, but the current domain name situation needs some kind of remedy.

That's about the only net tax I can think of that would actually do some good.

I need to look into having a computer co-located on a high speed pipe here in Ecuador.

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Neil McIver  posted on  2007-05-29   11:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-05-29   11:58:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Neil McIver (#6)

taxing domain name registration fees would help stamp out the ridiculous practice and allow many domain names to become available to those that honestly want it.

funny that this wasn't suggested, rather than the more intrusive taxing of emails. I don't believe they will tax emails, but some sort of internet usage tax may be what they really want.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   12:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#0)

Landlines are taxed at the highest rate, 17.23 percent, with Internet access being virtually tax free, with the exception of a few states that were grandfathered in a decade ago.

Since I already pay taxes for phone access, my internet is included in those taxes. Screw the rotten pirates.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   14:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: RickyJ (#2)

Just cut back spending by 1/3 and there would be no need for the income tax.

That would be the pork barrel projects and ear marks.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-29   14:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BTP Holdings (#9)

Since I already pay taxes for phone access, my internet is included in those taxes. Screw the rotten pirates.

Good point, ditto for cable users.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-29   14:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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