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Title: MADSEN: BUSH VERSUS CHENEY
Source: Wayne Madsen Report
URL Source: http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Published: May 30, 2007
Author: Wayne Madsen
Post Date: 2007-05-30 13:56:08 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 131
Comments: 15

May 30, 2007 -- Bush-Cheney rift. WMR's Washington sources have confirmed that a major rift has opened up between President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney over U.S. Iran policy. Cheney and the remaining neo-con cabal inside the Bush administration favor quick and decisive U.S. military action against Iran while Bush, backed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, favor the current diplomatic negotiations with Iran, particularly the Baghdad Green Zone talks concerning Iraq's security.

Bush has reportedly bristled at Cheney's suggestion that he is a "wimp." The junior Bush has made no secret of his obsession with his father's "wimp" persona and has striven to prove his own machismo. Cheney's "wimp talk" has infuriated Bush, according to our sources.

Ever since Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch resigned abruptly on May 4 (the same day ABC News was poised to reveal White House officials on the "Washington Madam's" list of clients), Iran-felon and Middle East super-hawk Elliott Abrams has served as the virtual number two man at the National Security Council under Stephen Hadley, according to our White House sources. Cheney and Abrams serve as a White House duet calling for U.S. military action against Iran.

There are also indications that former President George H. W. Bush is quietly supporting a "whispering campaign" against Cheney in an attempt to force him and his remaining neo-con stalwarts from office.

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#1. To: aristeides, *Wayne Madsen Report* (#0)

Good news!!

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-30   14:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

[…] quick and decisive U.S. military action …

Yeah, right. Where have we heard that before!

karelian  posted on  2007-05-30   14:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#0)

Bush has reportedly bristled at Cheney's suggestion that he is a "wimp." The junior Bush has made no secret of his obsession with his father's "wimp" persona and has striven to prove his own machismo. Cheney's "wimp talk" has infuriated Bush, according to our sources.

How is it that sending young men in the flower of their youth off to die and be maimed, and to kill and maim others---military and civilian, old and young, men and women---and to destroy a nation, in an undeclared, illegal, and criminal war, while safely sitting on one's prissy little ass in Washington, is "manly" in any sense of the word?

Puissent tous les hommes se souvenir qu'ils sont frères!

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-05-30   14:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#3)

I would connect with this reporting by Wayne Madsen recent reports by Steve Clemons, « Paulson Plays the Rude Card Against Chinese: No Windfall Expected | Main | More on Bush-Cheney White House Intrigue on US-Iran Policy » , and by Joe Klein, More on Bush- Cheney White House Intrigue on US-Iran Policy .

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-05-30   14:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides (#4)

As naive as this lamentation may sound, how is it that the Vice President has accumulated so much extra-constitutional power? These reports are indications that those who took an oath as a condition of their office that they "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States" are doing the opposite of what they pledged, instead treating it as "just a goddam piece of paper." I want us returned to the days when the Vice Presidency was "not worth a bucket of warm piss."

Puissent tous les hommes se souvenir qu'ils sont frères!

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-05-30   14:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#5)

If those reports are true, and there is a genuine power struggle going on between Bush and Cheney, that does raise the question of what the source of Cheney's power is. If the two really are quarreling, the source is not Bush. And, as you point out, the source is not the Constitution, or previous practice.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-05-30   14:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides, Eoghan, Peetie Wheatstraw (#6)

If those reports are true, and there is a genuine power struggle going on between Bush and Cheney, that does raise the question of what the source of Cheney's power is. If the two really are quarreling, the source is not Bush. And, as you point out, the source is not the Constitution, or previous practice.

I would have thought it would be the Carlyle Group supporting Cheney, but Baker was involved in the Iraq Study Group's report which is the line Smirk is stepping back to follow now, so it seems. The more rabid Israel-firsters seem to agree with Cheney, so perhaps that is where he gets his orders, but it's less clear where their power is.

The War Profiteers may like to invest when "blood in the streets", but maybe there's a breakeven point, and Iraq has now reached a point of diminishing returns. That could explain Baker's involvement in that cautionary report.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-30   15:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides, Peetie Wheatstraw (#6)

And, as you point out, the source is not the Constitution, or previous practice.

It's a usurpation and Cheney needs to be hung for treason. A good example is the rogue intelligence operation run out of Cheney's office to cook the intelligence leading up to the Iraq invasion.

Libby was a part of this and this is presumably where the outing of Valerie Plame originated after Joe Wilson exposed the Niger documents as a fraud.

Imagine Cheney sneering to do something about Joe Wilson after his report was made to the CIA and became public knowledge.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-30   15:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#7)

I would have thought it would be the Carlyle Group supporting Cheney, but Baker was involved in the Iraq Study Group's report which is the line Smirk is stepping back to follow now, so it seems. The more rabid Israel-firsters seem to agree with Cheney, so perhaps that is where he gets his orders, but it's less clear where their power is.

We have to remember that Baker and the rest of the old line foreign policy establishment were dead set against the invasion of Iraq. When the neocons were in their glory and in full control, Baker was summarily brushed aside in favor of Cheney and the neocons policy which was outlined in the PNAC documents. Cheney was a founding member of PNAC and signer of those documents.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-30   15:12:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#0)

Ever since Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch resigned abruptly on May 4 (the same day ABC News was poised to reveal White House officials on the "Washington Madam's" list of clients), Iran-felon and Middle East super-hawk Elliott Abrams has served as the virtual number two man at the National Security Council under Stephen Hadley, according to our White House sources. Cheney and Abrams serve as a White House duet calling for U.S. military action against Iran.

Not so strange then that two weeks after this happens the attacks in Lebanon commence against the "al-Qaeda terrorists" near Tripoli. The trouble with this is that Siniora as admitted that his government was backing Fatah al-Islam as a counterbalance to Hezbollah. This is simply more of the work of Abrams.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-30   15:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides, robin, Peetie Wheatstraw (#0)

J.D. Crouch

Maybe we are lucky he is gone. Crouch appears to have been one of the real hardliners associated with Cheney.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1259

J.D. Crouch II is a former deputy national security adviser and assistant to President George W. Bush who resigned in early May 2007. Regarded as one of the administration's staunchest foreign policy hawks, Crouch's resignation was seen by some observers as a response to the administration's acquiescence to renewed efforts by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to push diplomacy and dialogue with North Korea and Iran. Crouch denied these allegations, saying that he had " total confidence in [the president] and in his judgment on these things." He added: "The only bitterness ... is that I can't stay here forever and work with this president" (Washington Post, May 5, 2007).

The resignation was regarded with chagrin by other erstwhile Bush administration hardliners, including former ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, who told the Post (May 5, 2007): " It's a sad day because he had a very clear- eyed view of Iran and North Korea. He understands the nature of the threat. ... He was a very steady voice for sensible policy, and now there will be one less voice in the administration."

Crouch's resignation came only a few months after he, working under National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley, helped formulate the "surge" strategy announced by the president in January 2007, which significantly increased the number of U.S. troops in Iraq. Crouch reportedly led the review team that produced the strategy (Washington Post, May 5, 2007). His support for these policies won him praise from some of the more hardline right-wing political factions, including the neoconservatives. Said Frank Gaffney, director of the Center for Security Policy, in a 2006 press interview: "Knowing him as I do, I'm almost certain that he is exercising influence, and influence that is reinforcing the most robust policies and positions of this administration" (Inter Press Service, January 9, 2006).

Crouch's position as deputy national security adviser was his third post in the Bush administration. Before serving as ambassador to Romania—his job before joining the staff of the national security adviser—Crouch was an assistant secretary of defense for international security policy. In this role, Crouch served as a point person for Pentagon nuclear weapons programs. In announcing the release of the declassified version of the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review in January 2002, Crouch strongly hinted that the administration was considering developing a new generation of nuclear weapons: "We are trying to look at a number of initiatives. One would be to modify an existing weapon, to give it greater capability against hard and deeply buried targets" (Center for Defense Information, January 22, 2002).

In a spring 2005 article for the Middle East Report, commentator Jim Lobe wrote that Crouch's appointment under Hadley "constituted a net gain, if not for the neoconservatives, then certainly for their aggressive nationalist and Christian right partners." According to Lobe, Crouch is a longtime nuclear enthusiast, a protégé of Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz (with whom he helped produce the 1992 draft Defense Planning Guidance, widely regarded as an early formulation of Bush's post-9/11 policies), and a close associate of William Van Cleave, a leading Cold Warrior in the 1970s and 80s whose record includes membership on the notorious Team B Strategic Objectives Panel and the U.S. delegation to the START talks.

According to a State Department profile, Crouch was once a reserve deputy sheriff in Christian County, Missouri; cofounded PalmGear.com, "the Internet's leading source of Palm OS software"; and served as a legislative assistant in the 1980s to the hawkish Sen. Malcolm Wallop (R-WY), an early proponent of a national missile defense system.

Before joining the Bush administration, Crouch worked alongside Van Cleave at Southwest Missouri State University's Department of Defense and Strategic Studies. The department's faculty website reads like a who's who of influential hardliners. Faculty have included: Keith Payne, founder of the National Institute for Public Policy; Henry Cooper, a former head of the Strategic Defense Initiative and founder of the pro-missile defense group High Frontier who worked with Crouch in the mid- 1980s as chief negotiator of the U.S. Delegation on Nuclear and Space Arms Talks with the Soviet Union; William Graham, a former Reagan administration adviser whose record includes membership on Donald Rumsfeld's Commission on the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States and executive of various defense contractors, including R&D Associates and Jaycor; Charles Kupperman, a former Lockheed executive and director of Empower America; and Ilan Berman, president of the hawkish American Foreign Policy Council and a member of the neoconservative-led Committee on the Present Danger. Crouch has also been a longtime supporter of Gaffney's Center for Security Policy, one of the more outspoken and widely publicized hardline policy institutes in Washington.

Crouch has published widely on a number of issues, including both domestic and foreign policy. An example of his commentary: In a 1999 letter to the Washington Times, Crouch blamed the Columbine High School massacre on "30 years of liberal social policy that has put our children in day care, taken God out of the schools, taken Mom out of the house, and banished Dad as an authority figure from the family altogether" (Middle East Report, Spring 2005).

Crouch offered a succinct account of his political views in a 1995 commentary on the 1994 "Republican Revolution" in Congress for the journal On Principle, published by the Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashbrook University, a bastion of conservative academics. With Republicans in control of the congressional agenda, Crouch said they should push an ambitious policy program that, in his words, included the following agenda items:

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-30   15:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#11)

thanks for the added info on Crouch, but here's the real reason he resigned:

Ever since Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch resigned abruptly on May 4 (the same day ABC News was poised to reveal White House officials on the "Washington Madam's" list of clients),

Why wouldn't he wait so as not to appear on the list, unless he was.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-30   15:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#12) (Edited)

Why wouldn't he wait so as not to appear on the list, unless he was.

He might very well be on that list.

But Crouch also said this about his resignation.

That seems to tell me he has become bitter over something happening in the NSC, and that something is likely to be the reasserted influence by Baker and the "old line" foreign policy people.

Since Crouch seemed to be very closly aligned with Cheney and the extremist nuke Iran faction of neocons, as a quote by Frank Gaffney and even John Bolton in the post above shows, we can draw the inference quite easily.

He may have been planning on leaving soon, but the D.C. Madam may have forced him out sooner, thus triggering the spat between Bush and Cheney. Cheney has lost an influential operative who likely has had Bush's ear for some time.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-05-30   16:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#12)

Ever since Deputy National Security Adviser J.D. Crouch resigned abruptly on May 4 (the same day ABC News was poised to reveal White House officials on the "Washington Madam's" list of clients),

As with Clinton, the sex stuff may be a sideshow---a titillating smoke screen to divert the public and hide the true nature of the power struggle shaping up between the "Apocalypse Now!" neo-con's and the older Establishment types.

Puissent tous les hommes se souvenir qu'ils sont frères!

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2007-05-30   17:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#14)

I wonder, The sex sideshow worked for Clinton's liberal base, but it should have the opposite effect on the Fundies.

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington

robin  posted on  2007-05-30   18:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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