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Title: Real torture ignored, fake torture flogged
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Published: May 31, 2007
Author: Don Surber
Post Date: 2007-05-31 22:36:27 by BeAChooser
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Real torture ignored, fake torture flogged The news media is the spoiled brat of the United States IF you know about the torture manual used by al-Qaida, then you did not learn about it by reading the Washington Post, the New York Times or sadly, this newspaper. Neither the Associated Press nor Reuters picked up on the story. Fox News was the only major outlet with the story. Sir Rupert Murdoch's newspapers in Australia republished the Fox report. The handbook was posted at the Smoking Gun Web site. It showed -- with drawings -- how al-Qaida uses drills, irons, vises and other devices to mutilate their captives. This is true torture, the same kind employed by Saddam Hussein's henchmen at Abu Ghraib. The handbook helped explain why a few days later, U.S. forces liberated 42 victims of al-Qaida torture from a location in Iraq. But while they ignored the handbook story, the New York Times and Washington Post did not hesitate to publish a press handout from the United Nations condemning Guantanamo Bay. Why? Because the jihadis we captured are not given lawyers quickly enough. Will someone tell me the name of Daniel Pearl's lawyer? This is the same United Nations whose "human rights council" includes every dictatorship from Burkina Faso to Zimbabwe. Gitmo has been demonized in part by the false and preposterous allegation that a guard flushed an inmate's Koran down the toilet. The New York Times published no less than 29 stories about this lie. Small wonder most Americans think Torquemada, chief of the Spanish Inquisition, runs Gitmo. Then again, the New York Times is the home of the infamous "Memos on Bush Are Fake But Accurate, Typist Says" headline. That was the headline a copy editor slapped on a story that grudgingly conceded that Dan Rather's memo disparaging George Walker Bush's military service was a fraud, a phony -- another lie. Either Rather was had, or he deliberately tried to throw the 2004 election to John Kerry. Over the last six years, the press has treated President Bush with a scorn not shown a president since Richard Nixon. The coverage of the Florida election was decidedly pro-Al Gore. He made false accusation upon false accusation in his attempt to steal the election. No one bothered to hold Vice President Gore accountable for his many lies. A year later, an unprecedented recount by the media showed that Bush won by 493 votes out of 6 million cast, a difference of only 44 votes from the official tally made on election night. Far from being a debacle, the official Florida result was remarkably accurate. But we're wasting billions on vote "reform" anyway. Then there is this business of the Associated Press keeping a running tab on the number of U.S. deaths in the war. Not included in this scoreboard is the number of enemy killed. In previous wars, AP offered no such daily box score. Not all changes are improvements. The American press has gotten rather full of itself in recent years, and people are losing respect for it. For example, I was always taught that the press should protect its sources. And yet, when columnist Bob Novak connected Joe Wilson's wife to the CIA, newspapers across the nation demanded an investigation of this "leak." The principle of protecting sources was thrown overboard in the zeal to get the president, so sure were these newspaper editors that the White House was the source. It turned out a critic of the war, Richard Armitage, leaked the name. He was not charged with anything. Instead, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff was indicted and convicted by a jury that included a stringer for the Washington Post. As a newspaperman with 30 years or whatever it is under my belt, I am sad to see a pretty good trade sell itself out like this. No, blind support of the war in Iraq is not demanded. But fairness is. The Fox News motto is "We report, you decide." The rest of the news media view that line with utter contempt. That is how low my trade has sunk. Publishing 29 stories about a lie about a flushed Koran is bad enough. But when a newspaper then refuses to publish one story about a very real handbook on torture that is used by the enemy, that newspaper is no longer being objective. It is taking sides. And not the right side, at that. Many good people made great sacrifices for freedom of the press. It is sad to see today's newspaper people piddle away that heritage.
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#1. To: BeAChooser (#0)
It was some guy that worked for our "friends", the Pakistani ISI. Let's see, I think his name was Omar Saeed, the same guy that sent $100,000 to 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta, on orders from ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad.
You have no proof of that, FL. An unsourced claim in the Times of India was your source for the original claim, but the Times of India admitted later (in February) that there is NO evidence that General Ahmed knew Sheikh was going to use the money for terrorists strikes in America. And one day later they even questioned whether the money came from the General. Try again...
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Pentagon plans propaganda war The Pentagon is toying with the idea of black propaganda. As part of George Bush's war on terrorism, the military is thinking of planting propaganda and misleading stories in the international media. A new department has been set up inside the Pentagon with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence. It is well funded, is being run by a general and its aim is to influence public opinion abroad. Black and white It has been canvassing opinion within the Pentagon on what it should do. The options range from the standard public relations stuff - doing more to explain the Pentagon's role - to more underhand tactics such as e-mailing journalists and community leaders abroad with information that undermines governments hostile to the United States. These e-mails would come from a .com return address rather than .mil to hide the Pentagon's role. The most controversial suggestion is the covert planting of disinformation in foreign media, a process known as black propaganda. All this has sparked off a fierce debate within the Pentagon. The options range from "the blackest of black programmes to the whitest of white," one official told the New York Times. Some generals are worried that even a suggestion of disinformation would undermine the Pentagon's credibility and America's attempts to portray herself as the beacon of liberty and democratic values. Under review Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has asked a team of lawyers to check the proposals' legality. The Pentagon is forbidden from spreading black propaganda in the American media, but there is nothing to stop an American newspaper picking up a story carried abroad. The Pentagon is well versed in what it calls "psyops", dropping leaflets and using radio broadcasts to undermine enemy morale. But these kind of activities have always been confined to the battlefield, such as Afghanistan. Using covert tactics on media outlets of friendly countries is much more controversial.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
But why then did the General give Omar Saeed $100,000? You know, the same Omar Saeed that killed Daniel Pearl... And BTW, as I recall, the Times of India never refuted the fact that General Ahmed ordered Omar Saeed to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. They may have later qualified their original statement a bit and said they had no proof he knew what the money was going to ultimately be used for, but I don't think they ever retracted the rest of the story..
I heard it was the "liberators" using these techniques, with a special fondess for Black and Decker power tools. Perhaps the liberators and al Qaida are one and the same, this article makes it sound that way.
Was that the real Mohammad Atta, or more likely the intelligence operative who stole his identity??
Oops, meant that for BAC.
I don't think there was more than one Mohammed Atta, but I do know there were at least some alleged hijackers that used stolen identities that have been identified by the BBC and the UK Telegraph.
Well at least from me you might get a more meaningful reply.. :)
Who owns them? That's right, the Jews.
God is always good! Excerpts from http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/KUP209A.html (an article you originally posted at LP): Note the portions in bold. *********** "If the October 9 revelation seemed -- on its face -- to be an attempt by India to soil the reputation of Pakistan, by February 13, the Times of India was explicitly backing away from the sinister implications of its October 9 outing. When the news of Saeed's "official" arrest broke on February 12, here is how the Times of India would describe Saeed's connection to the 9/11 money trail a day later: "...there were allegations that [Saeed] had organized at least one bank remittance to the terrorists who were responsible for the September 11 strikes in the US and that Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed had helped him in this regard. There was, however, no evidence to indicate whether Ahmed was aware that this amount was meant for the terrorist strikes in the U.S." "on February 13, the Times of India then proceeded, on February 14, to fully "inoculate" against the virus that it had released on October 9. Its main vaccine -- Aftab Ansari: "Aftab Ansari arranged for $100,000 for Omar [Saeed] Sheikh, prime accused in the kidnapping of WSJ reporter Daniel Pearl...Ansari arranged a series of e-mails with [Saeed] and Asif Reza Khan [who was killed on December 7] in August 2001, where he was asked to help out with a 'noble cause'... Indian officials interrogating Ansari said that, on August 8, 2001, Ansari asked Khan over e-mail whether he agreed to part with $100,000 for a 'noble cause' as requested by [Saeed]...on August 11, Ansari sent an e-mail to Khan saying that 'the amount mentioned had been sent to [Saeed]'...On August 19, [Saeed] e-mailed Ansari again, saying, 'The money that was sent has been passed on.'" *************** Oh my, looks like the Times of India did indeed change its mind about your supposed General Ahmed connection. Now how many times do I have to post this to you before it sticks? ROTFLOL!
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Yeah, ok, Al CIAduh prints handbooks now? LMFAO!!!!
missed ya, critter (go get 'im)
You miss the crux of the story. Let me post a bit of the meaningful narrative that you omitted.. But more disturbingly, the Omar Saeed/ Money Trail Story effectively shatters the credibility of the media/intelligence apparatus that provided virtually all the information on bin Laden and his al-Qaida network over the years. If this one small element of the overall 9/11 terror picture shows this much evidence of information management, one wonders how many other elements in this tale bear the marks of elaborate orchestration by the parties who have fed us all the data. In intelligence operations, a credible "legend" is created through acting out all elements in the story rather than simply fabricating them for later use. Thus, "lead" hijacker Mohamed Atta most likely did receive a wire transfer of $100,000, arranged by an operative who was connected to al-Qaida, an organization that was fully financed, structured and "false-flagged" by Pakistanis and Saudis acting as operative proxy agents/patsies for what appears to be a globally connected Western elite intelligence apparatus. As a crucial element in constructing the "legend" of 9/11, it was necessary to provide the links between the hijackers and al-Qaida. The paradox is this -- an apparently sophisticated terror entity like al-Qaida would be required to maintain an elaborate evidential trail leading to its hijackers. Put simply, the names on those boarding passes would have to be the same names linked to various credit cards, witnesses, apartments, cell phone records, etc. Whether or not a hijacker by the name of Al-Suqami, al-Shehhi, or Atta was using a false passport would be largely irrelevant if it could be shown that someone employing the same false alias was linked to the same incriminating evidence. The evidence -- culled from credit card charges, Internet communications, cell phone calls, and ATM withdrawls -- revealed, according to a November 4, 2001 article in the New York Times, "...a picture in which the roles of the 19 hijackers are so well-defined as to be almost corporate in their organization and coordination." And that is the paradox. If the names on those boarding passes were used only once, there would be no evidence at all linking those hijackers to al-Qaida. Here was an example of an anomaly "hiding in plain sight." With the hijackers conveniently sowing a consistent trail of the same names or aliases all over the place -- establishing a "legend" that could be corroborated by real witnesses -- the media could then be used to plant all kinds of disinformation and red herrings to divert attention from this most obvious anomaly. For example, where ABC News would report on September 12 that a passport belonging to a hijacker named Satam Al-Suqami was found in the rubble of the World Trade Center, the other mainstream outlets would widely report the discovery of the "mystery passport" days later -- on September 16 -- as having some kind of evidential significance. But it was an obvious red herring. At best, it would signify this -- that a passport was found which bore the same name as someone whose boarding pass bore the same name as someone linked to an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan. More "smoke" would then be wafted over the "mystery" surrounding this discovery when it was widely reported that FBI honcho Barry Mawn would not reveal the name on the passport (when all the media had to do was to check their Sept. 12 file clippings from ABC News). always happy to see you, FL
That makes all the difference. Fox and Murdoch are my trusted news source, NOT! ;0)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
What do you mean "unsourced"? From The Times of India India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links by Manoj Joshi, The Times of India, 9 Oct 2001 TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, OCTOBER 09, 2001 11:08:55 PM ] NEW DELHI: While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the "evidence" India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd. Senior government sources have confirmed that India contributed significantly to establishing the link between the money transfer and the role played by the dismissed ISI chief. While they did not provide details, they said that Indian inputs, including Sheikh's mobile phone number, helped the FBI in tracing and establishing the link. A direct link between the ISI and the WTC attack could have enormous repercussions. The US cannot but suspect whether or not there were other senior Pakistani Army commanders who were in the know of things. Evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake US confidence in Pakistan's ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition. Indian officials say they are vitally interested in the unravelling of the case since it could link the ISI directly to the hijacking of the Indian Airlines Kathmandu-Delhi flight to Kandahar last December. Ahmad Umar Sayeed Sheikh is a British national and a London School of Economics graduate who was arrested by the police in Delhi following a bungled 1994 kidnapping of four westerners, including an American citizen. I'm just so upset..........my violin string is broken! :(
It's always good to drop by and say hello when I can.. :)
Whoever it was who told the Times of India this is UNNAMED. Clear enough? And apparently those "top sources" weren't very reliable when a few months later the Times of India had to retract the claims their "top sources" made. Clear enough?
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of course it's horsepucky anyway.
The ISI was assisting the Taliban with intelligence in Afghanstan in 2003 which proved to be troublesome for U.S. forces. A majority of ISI officers were sympathetic to Taliban. Also, there has been a political movement in Pakistan which closely resembles Taliban. I just saw a story about the recent fighting in Pakistan which alluded to this group. If I were Musharraf, I would keep a plane fuelled with loyal pilots on standby around the clock.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Fox News has told one too many fibs to goobers like you and now has no credibility with normal, thinking people. This is why the non-GOP controlled news outlets didn't pick up this propaganda. And who knows if the story is true? Is it true that we found definitive evidence of Saddam's WMD five times in the first two weeks of the war? Fox News reported that we did. So we know Fox will lie to keep gullible morons like yourself in the boat. So why wouldn't they lie about this? Or at least stretch the story to keep guys like you from catching on? And what's with your goofy wingnut theorem that if somebody else does something at some time, in some place, then Bush and the GOP can do it too? If Bush or his staff commit an obvious felony, you morons try to justify it by claiming that Clinton did it too - even if there is no record of Clinton doing it. When people yawn at you for this, you substitute other boogeymen - as you just did above. For the sake of argument, lets say Fox is telling the truth here. Then the article is arguing that because Al Qaeda did something evil and uncivilized, it is fine for Bush and the GOP to do it too. What if Al Qaeda flapped its arms and jumped off the rim of the Grand Canyon? Would it be OK for us to do the same thing? Your wingnut logic seems to say so.
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Who owns them? That's right, the Jews. God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] "I have never heard anything like that, and I ask you to retract that statement" Rudi Gullianai
I am sure he does. Loaded with gold bullion as well. Prolly got the Bush's Paraguay Ranch airstrip set on auto pilot
Not really. I think the initial story is the legit one.
laughing...
Nothing happens by accident, or so it is said.
Complete 911 Timeline Saeed Sheikh [The news cited sources are hyperlinked in the linked articles.] Project: Complete 911 Timeline * * * September 8-11, 2001: Last-Minute Money Transfers Between Hijackers and United Arab Emirates The 9/11 hijackers send money to and receive money from a man in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) who uses the aliases “Mustafa Ahmed,” “Mustafa Ahmad,” and “Ahamad Mustafa.” [MSNBC, 12/11/2001] This “Mustafa” transfers money to Mohamed Atta in Florida on September 8 and 9 from a branch of the Al Ansari Exchange in Sharjah, UAE, a center of al-Qaeda financial dealings. [Financial Times, 11/30/2001] On September 9, three hijackers, Atta, Waleed Alshehri, and Marwan Alshehhi, transfer about $15,000 back to “Mustafa’s” account. [Time, 10/1/2001; Los Angeles Times, 10/20/2001] Apparently the hijackers are returning money meant for the 9/11 attacks that they have not needed. “Mustafa” then transfers $40,000 to his Visa card and then, using a Saudi passport, flies from the UAE to Karachi, Pakistan, on 9/11. He makes six ATM withdrawals there two days later, and then disappears into Pakistan. [MSNBC, 12/11/2001] In early October 2001, it is reported that the financier “Mustafa Ahmed” is an alias used by Saeed Sheikh. [CNN, 10/6/2001] It will later be reported that Saeed wired money to Atta the month before. These last-minute transfers are touted as the “smoking gun” proving al-Qaeda involvement in the 9/11 attacks, since Saeed is a known financial manager for bin Laden. [Guardian, 10/1/2001] Entity Tags: Ahamad Mustafa, Saeed Sheikh, Marwan Alshehhi, al-Qaeda, Waleed M. Alshehri, United Arab Emirates, Mohamed Atta Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Other 9/11 Hijackers, Mohamed Atta, Marwan Alshehhi, Saeed Sheikh * * * September 12, 2001-January 2002: Saeed Sheikh Lives Openly in Pakistan After probably completing last-minute financial transactions with some 9/11 hijackers, Saeed Sheikh flies to Pakistan. [Knight Ridder, 10/7/2001] He meets with bin Laden in Afghanistan a few days later. [Washington Post, 2/18/2002; London Times, 2/25/2002; Guardian, 7/16/2002] The US government claims Saeed fights for the Taliban in Afghanistan in September and October 2001. [CNN, 3/14/2002] Some reports indicate that after the defeat of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Saeed acts as a go-between with bin Laden and the ISI seeking to hide bin Laden. [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/2002] He also helps produce a video of a bin Laden interview. [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/2002] Sometime in October 2001 [Guardian, 7/16/2002] , Saeed moves back to his home in Lahore, Pakistan, and lives there openly. He is frequently seen at local parties hosted by government leaders. In January 2002, he hosts a party to celebrate the birth of his newborn baby. [USA Today, 2/25/2002; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/2002] He stays in his well-known Lahore house with his new wife and baby until January 19, 2002—four days before reporter Daniel Pearl is kidnapped. [BBC, 7/16/2002] Entity Tags: Daniel Pearl, Osama bin Laden, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Taliban, Bush administration, Saeed Sheikh Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * September 30-October 7, 2001: US Media Report Hijackers Received $100,000 from Pakistan Several media outlets report that, in addition to other transactions, the hijackers received $100,000 wired from Pakistan to two accounts of Mohamed Atta in Florida (see also Summer 2001 and before and Early August 2001). [ABC News, 9/30/2001; CNN, 10/1/2001; Fox News, 10/2/2001; Associated Press, 10/2/2001] For example, CNN says, “Suspected hijacker Mohammed Atta received wire transfers via Pakistan and then distributed the cash via money orders bought here in Florida. A senior law enforcement source tells CNN, the man sending the money to Atta is believed to be Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh.” [CNN, 10/6/2001; CNN, 10/7/2001; CNN, 10/8/2001] The story will also be mentioned by Congressman John LaFalce at a hearing before the House of Representatives’ Committee on Financial Services. [US Congress, 10/3/2001] However, Pakistan, a nuclear power, has already become a key US ally in the war on terror (see September 11-16, 2001). ISI Director Mahmood Ahmed, who is found to have had several telephone conversations with Saeed (see Summer 2000), is replaced (see October 7, 2001), and the story soon disappears from view (see September 24, 2001-December 26, 2002). Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Mohamed Atta Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh, Mahmood Ahmed, 9/11 Investigations, FBI 9/11 Investigation * * * December 24, 2001-January 23, 2002: Reporter Daniel Pearl Investigates Sensitive Topics in Pakistan Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl writes stories about the ISI that will lead to his kidnapping and murder (see January 31, 2002). bullet On December 24, 2001, he reports about ties between the ISI and a Pakistani organization, Ummah Tameer-e-Nau, that was working on giving bin Laden nuclear secrets before 9/11. [Wall Street Journal, 12/24/2001] bullet A few days later, he reports that the ISI-supported militant organization Jaish-e-Mohammed still has its office running and bank accounts working, even though President Pervez Musharraf claims to have banned the group. The Jaish-i-Mohammed is connected to the Al Rashid Trust, one of the first entities whose assets were frozen by the US after 9/11 and through which funding may have passed on its way to the hijackers in the US (see Early August 2001 and September 24, 2001). “If [Pearl] hadn’t been on the ISI’s radarscope before, he was now.” [Wall Street Journal, 12/31/2001; Guardian, 7/16/2002; Vanity Fair, 8/2002] bullet He begins investigating links between shoe bomber Richard Reid and Pakistani militants, and comes across connections to the ISI and a mysterious religious group called Al-Fuqra. [Washington Post, 2/23/2002] bullet He also may be looking into the US training and backing of the ISI. [Gulf News, 3/25/2002] bullet He is writing another story on Dawood Ibrahim, a powerful Islamic militant and gangster protected by the ISI, and other Pakistani organized crime figures. [Newsweek, 2/4/2002; Vanity Fair, 8/2002] bullet Former CIA agent Robert Baer later claims to be working with Pearl on an investigation of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. [United Press International, 4/10/2004] It is later suggested that Mohammed masterminds both Reid’s shoe bomb attempt and the Pearl kidnapping, and has connections to Pakistani gangsters and the ISI, so some of these explanations could fit together. [Asia Times, 10/30/2002; CNN, 1/30/2003; United Press International, 4/10/2004] Kidnapper Saeed will later say of Pearl, “Because of his hyperactivity he caught our interest.” [News (Islamabad), 2/15/2002] Pearl is kidnapped on January 23, 2002, and his murder is confirmed on February 22, 2002. [CNN, 2/22/2002] Entity Tags: Dawood Ibrahim, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Robert Baer, Osama bin Laden, Al-Fuqra, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Daniel Pearl Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 22, 2002: Saeed Sheikh and ISI stage attacks in India A crowd of mostly unarmed Indian police near the US Information Service building in Calcutta, India, is attacked by gunmen; four policemen are killed and 21 people injured. The gunmen escape. India claims that Aftab Ansari immediately calls to take credit, and India charges that the gunmen belong to Ansari’s kidnapping ring are also connected to funding the 9/11 attacks in August 2001. [Daily Telegraph, 1/24/2002; Associated Press, 2/10/2002] Saeed Sheikh and the ISI assist Ansari in the attack. [Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/2002; Vanity Fair, 8/2002] This is the fourth attack in which they have cooperated, including the 9/11 attacks, and attacks in October and December 2001. Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Aftab Ansari, India Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 22-25, 2002: India Tells FBI Director About Saeed Sheikh Connection to 9/11 FBI Director Mueller visits India, and is told by Indian investigators that Saeed Sheikh sent ransom money to hijacker Mohamed Atta in the US. In the next few days, Saeed is publicly blamed for his role with gangster Aftab Ansari in financing Atta and organizing the Calcutta attack (see January 22, 2002). [Press Trust of India, 1/22/2002; Los Angeles Times, 1/23/2002; Independent, 1/24/2002; Agence France-Presse, 1/27/2002; Daily Telegraph, 1/27/2002] Meanwhile, on January 23, Saeed helps kidnap reporter Daniel Pearl and is later arrested. Also on January 23, Ansari is placed under surveillance after flying to Dubai, United Arab Emirates. On January 24, Mueller and US Ambassador to Pakistan Wendy Chamberlin discuss Saeed at a previously scheduled meeting with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. Apparently Saeed’s role in Pearl’s kidnapping is not yet known. [Associated Press, 2/24/2002] On Mueller’s way back to the US he flies to Dubai to pressure the government there to arrest Ansari and deport him to India. Ansari is arrested on February 5 and deported four days later. [Associated Press, 2/10/2002; Frontline (Chennai), 2/16/2002; India Today, 2/25/2002] Entity Tags: Robert S. Mueller III, India, Saeed Sheikh, Daniel Pearl, Wendy Chamberlin, Aftab Ansari, Pervez Musharraf, Mohamed Atta Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 23, 2002: Reporter Daniel Pearl Is Kidnapped While Investigating the ISI Wall Street Journal report Daniel Pearl is kidnapped while investigating the ISI’s connection to Islamic militant groups. [Guardian, 1/25/2002; BBC, 7/5/2002] Saeed Sheikh is later convicted as the mastermind of the kidnap, and though it appears he lured Pearl into being kidnapped beginning January 11, the actual kidnapping is perpetrated by others who remain at large. [Vanity Fair, 8/2002; Wall Street Journal, 1/23/2003] The Guardian later suggests that Pearl must have been under ISI surveillance at the time of his kidnapping. “Any western journalist visiting Pakistan is routinely watched and followed. The notion that Daniel Pearl, setting up contacts with extremist groups, was not being carefully monitored by the Secret Services is unbelievable—and nobody in Pakistan believes it.” [Guardian, 4/5/2002] Both al-Qaeda and the ISI appear to be behind the kidnapping. The overall mastermind behind the kidnapping seems to be Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, also mastermind of the 9/11 attacks. [Time, 1/26/2003; CNN, 1/30/2003] Entity Tags: al-Qaeda, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Saeed Sheikh, Daniel Pearl, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 28, 2002: Daniel Pearl’s Kidnappers Make Odd Demands for His Release Reporter Daniel Pearl’s kidnappers e-mail the media a picture of Pearl and a list of very strange demands. [BBC, 7/5/2002] The kidnappers call themselves “The National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty,” a previously unheard of name. [Vanity Fair, 8/2002] Their demands include the return of US-held Pakistani prisoners and the departure of US journalists from Pakistan. [ABC News, 2/7/2002] Most unusually, they demand that the US sell F-16 fighters to Pakistan. No militant group had ever shown interest in the F-16’s, but this demand and the others reflect the desires of Pakistan’s military and the ISI to obtain the fighters. [London Times, 4/21/2002; Guardian, 7/16/2002] On January 29, “a senior Pakistani official,” presumably from the ISI, leaks the fact that Pearl is Jewish to the Pakistani press. This may have been an attempt to ensure the kidnappers would want to murder him, which they do shortly thereafter. [Vanity Fair, 8/2002] On the same day, it is reported that US intelligence believes the kidnappers are connected to the ISI. [United Press International, 1/29/2002] Entity Tags: The National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Daniel Pearl Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 31, 2002: Reporter Daniel Pearl Is Murdered by Pakistani Kidnappers Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl is murdered. He is reported dead on February 21; his mutilated body is found months later. Police investigators say “there were at least eight to ten people present on the [murder] scene” and at least 15 who participated in his kidnapping and murder. “Despite issuing a series of political demands shortly after Pearl’s abduction four weeks ago, it now seems clear that the kidnappers planned to kill Pearl all along.” [Washington Post, 2/23/2002] Some captured participants later claim 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed is the one who cuts Pearl’s throat. [MSNBC, 9/17/2002; Time, 1/26/2003] The land on which Pearl was held and murdered reportedly belongs to either the Al Rashid Trust, or one of its supporters, Saud Memon. The Al Rashid Trust, an ostensibly charitable organization that US intelligence linked to the financing of al-Qeada, is closely linked to the jihadi organization Jaish-i-Mohammed and was one of the very first organizations to have its assets frozen after 9/11. It may have been used to funnel money to the 9/11 hijackers in the US (see Early August 2001 and September 24, 2001). [Time, 1/26/2003; Daily Telegraph, 5/9/2004; Tribune, 4/2/2006] Entity Tags: Al Rashid Trust, Daniel Pearl, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Saud Memon Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * February 6, 2002: Western Media Largely Ignores Links Between Saeed Sheikh, ISI, and 9/11 Pakistani police publicly name Saeed Sheikh and a Islamic militant group he belongs to, Jaish-e-Mohammed, as those responsible for reporter Daniel Pearl’s murder. [Observer, 2/24/2002] In the next several months, at least 12 Western news articles mention Saeed’s links to al-Qaeda [ABC News, 2/7/2002; Boston Globe, 2/7/2002; Associated Press, 2/24/2002; Los Angeles Times, 3/15/2002] , including his financing of 9/11 [New York Daily News, 2/7/2002; CNN, 2/8/2002; Associated Press, 2/9/2002; Guardian, 2/9/2002; Independent, 2/10/2002; Time, 2/10/2002; New York Post, 2/10/2002; Evening Standard, 2/12/2002; Los Angeles Times, 2/13/2002; New York Post, 2/22/2002; Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 2/24/2002; USA Today, 3/8/2002] , and at least 16 articles mention his links to the ISI. [Cox News Service, 2/21/2002; Observer, 2/24/2002; Daily Telegraph, 2/24/2002; Newsweek, 2/25/2002; New York Times, 2/25/2002; USA Today, 2/25/2002; National Post, 2/26/2002; Boston Globe, 2/28/2002; Newsweek, 3/11/2002; Newsweek, 3/13/2002; Guardian, 4/5/2002; MSNBC, 4/5/2002] However, many other articles fail to mention either link. Only a few articles consider that Saeed could have been connected to both groups at the same time [London Times, 2/25/2002; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 3/3/2002; London Times, 4/21/2002] , and apparently, only one of these mentions he could be involved in the ISI, al-Qaeda, and financing 9/11. [London Times, 4/21/2002] By the time Saeed is convicted of Pearl’s murder in July 2002, Saeed’s possible connections to al-Qaeda and/or the ISI are virtually unreported in US newspapers, while many British newspapers are still making one or the other connection. Entity Tags: Jaish-e-Mohammed, al-Qaeda, Saeed Sheikh, Daniel Pearl, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Media, Saeed Sheikh * * * February 9, 2002: Pakistani Gangster Admits Ties to ISI, Saeed Sheikh, and Terrorism Gangster Aftab Ansari is deported to India. He was arrested in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, on February 5. [Independent, 2/10/2002] He admits funding attacks through kidnapping ransoms, and building a network of arms and drug smuggling. [Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg), 2/11/2002] He later also admits to close ties with the ISI and Saeed Sheikh, whom he befriended in prison. [Press Trust of India, 5/13/2002] Entity Tags: Aftab Ansari, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Saeed Sheikh Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * February 12, 2002: ISI Deliver Saeed Sheikh to Pakistani Police Saeed Sheikh, already in ISI custody for a week, is handed over to Pakistani police. Shortly afterwards, he publicly confesses to his involvement in reporter Daniel Pearl’s murder. Later he will recant this confession. It appears that initially he thought he would get a light sentence. Newsweek describes him initially “confident, even cocky,” saying he would only serve three to four years if convicted, and would never be extradited. [Newsweek, 3/11/2002] He is sentenced in July 2002 to hang instead. Pakistani militants respond to his arrest with three suicide attacks that kill more than 30 people. [Guardian, 7/16/2002] Entity Tags: Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Daniel Pearl, Saeed Sheikh Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * February 18, 2002: Pakistan Applies Censorship on Link Between ISI and Saeed Sheikh The Pakistani government unsuccessfully tries to stop Pakistani newspaper The News from publishing a story revealing Saeed Sheikh’s connections to the ISI, based on leaks from Pakistani police interrogations. [Washington Post, 3/10/2002; London Times, 4/21/2002; Guardian, 7/16/2002] According to the article, Saeed admits his involvement in recent attacks on the Indian parliament in Delhi and in Kashmir, and says the ISI helped him finance, plan, and execute them. [News (Islamabad), 2/18/2002] On March 1, the ISI pressures The News to fire the four journalists who worked on the story. The ISI also demands an apology from the newspaper’s editor, who flees the country instead. [Washington Post, 3/10/2002; London Times, 4/21/2002; Guardian, 7/16/2002] Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * March 3, 2002: Powell Denies ISI Links to Daniel Pearl Murder Secretary of State Powell rules out any links between “elements of the ISI” and the murderers of reporter Daniel Pearl. [Dawn (Karachi), 3/3/2002] The Guardian later calls Powell’s comment “shocking,” given the overwhelming evidence that the main suspect, Saeed Sheikh, worked for the ISI. [Guardian, 4/5/2002] Defense Secretary Rumsfeld called Saeed a possible “asset” for the ISI only a week earlier. [London Times, 2/25/2002] The Washington Post says, “The [ISI] is a house of horrors waiting to break open. Saeed has tales to tell.” [Washington Post, 3/28/2002] The Guardian says Saeed “is widely believed in Pakistan to be an experienced ISI ‘asset.’” [Guardian, 4/5/2002] Entity Tags: Colin Powell, Saeed Sheikh, Donald Rumsfeld, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Daniel Pearl Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * April 5, 2002: Saeed Shaikh Tried in Secret The Pakistani trial of Saeed Sheikh and three others begins. [BBC, 7/5/2002] NBC reports that death sentences are expected for the four accused killers of Daniel Pearl, despite a lack of evidence. The case will be decided in top secret by handpicked judges in Pakistan’s anti-terrorism courts. “Some in Pakistan’s government also are very concerned about what [the defendant] Saeed might say in court. His organization and other militant groups here have ties to Pakistan’s secret intelligence agency [the ISI]. There are concerns he could try to implicate that government agency in the Pearl case, or other questionable dealings that could be at the very least embarrassing, or worse.” [MSNBC, 4/5/2002] Later in the month the London Times says that the real truth about Saeed will not come out in the trial because, “Sheikh is no ordinary terrorist but a man who has connections that reach high into Pakistan’s military and intelligence elite and into the innermost circles of Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization.” [London Times, 4/21/2002] Entity Tags: Daniel Pearl, Osama bin Laden, Saeed Sheikh, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, al-Qaeda Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * July 15, 2002: US Media Ignore ISI Link in Reports on Saeed’s Conviction Saeed Sheikh and three co-defendants are judged guilty for the murder of reporter Daniel Pearl. Saeed, the supposed mastermind of the murder, is sentenced to death by hanging, and the others are given 25-year terms. Saeed threatens the judge with retribution. As if to confirm that his death covers up unpleasant truths, in the stories of his sentencing every major US media story fails to report Saeed’s connections to 9/11 and even to the ISI. [Associated Press, 7/15/2002; Associated Press, 7/15/2002; CBS News, 7/15/2002; CNN, 7/15/2002; Los Angeles Times, 7/15/2002; MSNBC, 7/15/2002; New York Times, 7/15/2002; Reuters, 7/15/2002; Wall Street Journal, 7/15/2002; Washington Post, 7/15/2002; Daily Telegraph, 7/16/2002] In contrast, the British media connects Saeed to the ISI [Guardian, 7/16/2002; Guardian, 7/16/2002; Daily Mail, 7/16/2002] , al-Qaeda [Independent, 7/16/2002] , the 9/11 attacks [Scotsman, 7/16/2002] , or some combination of the three [London Times, 7/16/2002; Daily Mail, 7/16/2002; Daily Telegraph, 7/16/2002] (with one exception [BBC, 7/16/2002; BBC, 7/16/2002] ). The US and British governments both approve of the verdict. [Wall Street Journal, 7/15/2002; BBC, 7/15/2002] In the US, only the Washington Post questions the justice of the verdict. [Washington Post, 7/15/2002; Washington Post, 7/16/2002] By contrast, all British newspapers question the verdict, and subsequently raise additional questions about it (see July 16-21, 2002). Saeed has appealed the decision, but a second trial has yet to begin. [Associated Press, 8/18/2002] Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, al-Qaeda, Daniel Pearl Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Media, Saeed Sheikh * * * July 16-21, 2002: More Controversy Surrounding Saeed Trial More questions emerge in British newspapers about the conviction of Saeed Sheikh for reporter Daniel Pearl’s murder in the days immediately after the verdict. Pakistani police have secretly arrested two men who many believe are the real masterminds of Pearl’s murder, and official confirmation of these crucial arrests could have ended Saeed’s trial. [Guardian, 7/18/2002] On May 16, Pearl’s body was found and identified, but the FBI does not officially release the DNA results because official confirmation of the body would also have meant a new trial. [Independent, 7/16/2002] Pakistani officials admit they waited to release the results until after the verdict. [Guardian, 7/18/2002] After the trial ends, Pakistani officials admit that the key testimony of a taxi driver is doubtful. The “taxi driver” turns out to be a head constable policeman. [Guardian, 7/18/2002] One of the co-defendants turns out to be working for the Special Branch. [Independent, 7/21/2002] According to Pakistani law, the trial needed to be completed in a week, but in fact it took three months. The trial judge and the venue were changed three times. [BBC, 7/16/2002] The trial was held in a bunker underneath a prison, and no reporters were allowed to attend. When all the appeals are done, it is doubtful that Saeed will be extradited to the US, “because Mr. Sheikh might tell the Americans about the links between al-Qaeda and Pakistan’s own intelligence organization.” [Independent, 7/16/2002] Meanwhile, at least seven more suspects remain at large. All have ties to the ISI, and as one investigator remarks, “It seems inconceivable that there isn’t someone in the ISI who knows where they’re hiding.” [Time, 5/6/2002] Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Daniel Pearl, al-Qaeda, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * July 19, 2002: Why Is US Not Interrogating Saeed, Indian Paper Wonders An editorial in an Indian newspaper wonders why the US is still not interrogating Saeed Sheikh, recently convicted of murdering Daniel Pearl. Saeed was briefly interrogated by the FBI in February, but they were unable to ask about his links to al-Qaeda, and no known US contact has taken place since. [Independent, 7/16/2002; Indian Express, 7/19/2002] The editorial suggests that if the US pressures its close ally Pakistan to allow Saeed to be interrogated in his Pakistani prison, they could learn more about his financing of the 9/11 attacks and the criminal underworld that Saeed was connected to. Also, US attempts to find al-Qaeda cells in Pakistan could be strongly boosted with new information. [Indian Express, 7/19/2002] Entity Tags: Pakistan, Daniel Pearl, Saeed Sheikh, al-Qaeda, Federal Bureau of Investigation Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * January 22, 2003: Still No Clarity in Pearl Murder Case One year after reporter Daniel Pearl’s kidnapping and murder, the investigation is mired in controversy. “Mysteries still abound.… Suspects disappear or are found dead. Crucial dates are confused. Confessions are offered and then recanted.… Nobody who physically carried out the killing has been convicted. None of the four men sentenced is even believed to have ever been at the shed where Pearl was held” and killed. The government arrested three suspects in May 2002, but hasn’t charged them and still will not admit to holding them, because acknowledging their testimony would ruin the case against Saeed Sheikh. [Associated Press, 8/18/2002; Associated Press, 1/22/2003] Two of the three claim that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed cut Pearl’s throat with a knife. [MSNBC, 9/17/2002; Time, 1/26/2003] Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Daniel Pearl Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * * July 31, 2003: FBI Claims 9/11 Money Came from Pakistan ohn S. Pistole, deputy assistant director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division, testifies before a Congressional committee. He states the 9/11 investigation “has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known al-Qaeda operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the US.” [US Congress, 7/31/2003] Pistole does not reveal any further details, but in India it is noted that this is consistent with previous reports that Saeed Sheikh and ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed were behind the funding of 9/11. [Times of India, 8/1/2003; Pioneer, 8/7/2003] However, the FBI will tell the 9/11 Commission that when Pistole used the word “accounts”, he did not mean actual accounts with a bank, merely that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was based in Pakistan, handled the money. [9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 144 pdf file] Entity Tags: Mahmood Ahmed, Saeed Sheikh, John S. Pistole Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh, Mahmood Ahmed * * * July 22, 2004: Prominent Figures See Ties Between the ISI, 9/11, and Even the CIA Michael Meacher, a British member of Parliament, and a cabinet minister in Tony Blair’s government until 2003, writes in the Guardian, “Significantly, [Saeed] Sheikh is… the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmood Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohamed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?” Daniel Ellsberg, the “Pentagon Papers” whistleblower during the Nixon presidency, states in the same article, “It seems to me quite plausible that Pakistan was quite involved in [9/11]… To say Pakistan is, to me, to say CIA because… it’s hard to say that the ISI knew something that the CIA had no knowledge of.” [Guardian, 7/22/2004] Entity Tags: Saeed Sheikh, Mohamed Atta, Michael Meacher, Mahmood Ahmed, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Daniel Ellsberg, Central Intelligence Agency Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, 9/11 Investigations, Saeed Sheikh, Mahmood Ahmed * * * Late April-Early May, 2006: New Film Suggests Daniel Pearl Was Murdered as Result of ISI Complicity with Al-Qaeda HBO produces a documentary film about Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl and one of the extremists involved in his kidnap and murder, Saeed Sheikh. The film, directed and produced by Ahmed Jamal and Ramesh Sharma, and narrated by CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, portrays the two men as “a passionate journalist and a shrewd terrorist” representing the best and worst of their respective cultures. The film climaxes with Pearl’s kidnap and murder, while he was investigating the 9/11 money trail in Pakistan. It suggests that, had it not been for complicity between al-Qaeda and certain factions inside Pakistan’s ISI, Pearl may have survived. [Salon, 4/28/2006; New York Times, 10/10/2006] Entity Tags: Christiane Amanpour, Daniel Pearl, Ahmed Jamal, Saeed Sheikh, Ramesh Sharma Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Saeed Sheikh * * *
Excellent post. Paul Thompsom's Timeline is a great source.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Excellent information nolu, thanks for posting it.
So nolu ... do you think the Pakistanis planted the bombs in the towers? ROTFLOL!
--------------------------------------------------------- Aren't you lucky. You get to receive one of the 15 posts I'm allowed each day.
So bitch, why are you so quick to ridicule professional intel/security?
"Be just and if you can't be just, be arbitrary." - William S Burroughs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N656M5hAwpY Were you born an A-hole?
FL, You might want to ping palo et al that this is a Ron Paul friendly site. Independent Conservative and a dozen others.
You might want to ping palo et al that this is a Ron Paul friendly site. Independent Conservative and a dozen others. palo is already signed up here, don't know if she'll come here though as I haven't seen her post here too often. I'll see if I can ping her and IC though. IC might not know about 4um. Goldi is now allowing Ron Paul articles, and even posted one herself. I wonder at times if she's having some issues....
This is a disingenuous Dog and Pony Show by Sally the Sack to PROVE she is not a Jew Shill Propagandist...... It is what is called SPIN and PROPAGANDA
BTW...thanks old friend...
Will someone tell me the name of Daniel Pearl's lawyer?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#2. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#1)
the same guy that sent $100,000 to 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta, on orders from ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad.
#3. To: BeAChooser (#0)
By Tom Carver
Washington correspondent 
#4. To: BeAChooser (#2)
the Times of India admitted later (in February) that there is NO evidence that General Ahmed knew Sheikh was going to use the money for terrorists strikes in America
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#5. To: BeAChooser (#0)
how al-Qaida uses drills, irons, vises and other devices to mutilate their captives.
#6. To: FormerLurker (#4)
the Times of India never refuted the fact that General Ahmed ordered Omar Saeed to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta.
#7. To: FormerLurker (#4)
#8. To: Diana (#6)
Was that the real Mohammad Atta, or more likely the intelligence operative who stole his identity??
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#9. To: Diana (#7)
Oops, meant that for BAC.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#10. To: BeAChooser (#0)
Many good people made great sacrifices for freedom of the press. It is sad to see today's newspaper people piddle away that heritage.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#11. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#4)
as I recall, the Times of India never refuted the fact that General Ahmed ordered Omar Saeed to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. They may have later qualified their original statement a bit and said they had no proof he knew what the money was going to ultimately be used for, but I don't think they ever retracted the rest of the story..
#12. To: BeAChooser (#0)
Enemies of the Republic
#13. To: Critter (#12)
#14. To: BeAChooser (#11)
The whole cover story, however -- with its endless obfuscations, diversions, and fallback explanations -- cannot obscure the fact that it depends on a huge number of coincidences and conveniently timed set-ups to keep it in place. Moreover, evidence can be marshaled to show that the mainstream media -- either as willful agents or as passive mouthpieces of the intelligence apparatus -- planted disinformation that was meant to structure perceptions in a specific direction. The elaboration of the cover story bears the marks of its apparent mistakes and missteps.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)
#16. To: BeAChooser (#0)
Fox News was the only major outlet with the story. Sir Rupert Murdoch's newspapers in Australia republished the Fox report.
#17. To: BeAChooser (#2)
An unsourced claim in the Times of India was your source for the original claim
© 2001 Times of India
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#18. To: christine (#13)
Over the last six years, the press has treated President Bush with a scorn not shown a president since Richard Nixon.
#19. To: christine (#15)
always happy to see you, FL
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#20. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#17)
What do you mean "unsourced"?
#21. To: rowdee (#18)
#22. To: FormerLurker (#17)
Evidence of a larger conspiracy could shake US confidence in Pakistan's ability to participate in the anti-terrorism coalition.
#23. To: BeAChooser (#0)
(Edited)
Fox News was the only major outlet with the story.
#24. To: RickyJ (#10)
Many good people made great sacrifices for freedom of the press. It is sad to see today's newspaper people piddle away that heritage.
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
#25. To: BTP Holdings (#22)
f I were Musharraf, I would keep a plane fuelled with loyal pilots on standby around the clock.
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
#26. To: BeAChooser (#20)
Clear enough?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#27. To: ... (#23)
What if Al Qaeda flapped its arms and jumped off the rim of the Grand Canyon? Would it be OK for us to do the same thing?
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#22)
Also, there has been a political movement in Pakistan which closely resembles Taliban. I just saw a story about the recent fighting in Pakistan which alluded to this group.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#29. To: FormerLurker, BeAChooser (#17)
#30. To: nolu_chan (#29)
#31. To: nolu_chan (#29)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#32. To: nolu_chan (#29)
#33. To: BeAChooser (#32)
#34. To: BeAChooser (#32)
So nolu ... do you think the Pakistanis planted the bombs in the towers? ROTFLOL!
#35. To: FormerLurker (#31)
#36. To: JCHarris (#35)
FL,
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#37. To: FormerLurker (#36)
Goldi is now allowing Ron Paul articles, and even posted one herself. I wonder at times if she's having some issues....
#38. To: FormerLurker (#36)
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