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Title: An Observer at Christian Zionist Leader John Hagee's Cornerstone Church
Source: We Hold These Truths & Institute For The Study of Christian
URL Source: http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=1418
Published: Jun 2, 2007
Author: Reverend Art Preisinger
Post Date: 2007-06-05 11:18:57 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 324
Comments: 17

An Observer at Christian Zionist Leader John Hagee's Cornerstone Church

By Rev. Art Preisinger, Institute for the Study of Christian Zionism, November 26, 2006

If John Hagee’s "Night to Honor Israel" extravaganza is any indication, Christian Zionism is a misnomer. From happy-clappy Jewish praise music, to love songs crooned to and about Israel, to a kitschy Hava Nagila; from invocations and benedictions that turn out to be sermons; from Muslim-bashing to Israel lauding; from dramatic processions to keynote addresses; from offerings taken and offerings given -- there was not a shred, a trace, a scintilla of Christianity in the proceedings. It could well have been sponsored by the PTA or the Rotary Club.

Of course, if Hagee wants to honor Israel and give it gobs of non-governmental funds that is certainly his privilege. But to promote this under the aegis of "Christian" is, frankly, fraudulent.

But the "Night to Honor Israel" was worse than a fraud -- it was idolatrous, and this in two ways.

First, what was worshiped was the state of Israel, and more particularly, Jerusalem. Select passages culled from the Hebrew Bible, referring to Israel’s "right" to the land -- all of Palestine -- and an undivided Jewish Jerusalem were repeated again and again ad nauseam. What was not quoted were those passages that speak of the obligation to do justice and practice mercy.

Part of the problem is in the word "prophecy." Christian Zionists, as well as most fundamentalists and millennialists, use that word almost exclusively as a means to understand present, and predict future, events. [Jewish understanding of "prophecy" also differ from Christian Zionists.] Contemporary events, seen through the spectacles of "prophecy," lead to "Rapture" and "Tribulations" and "Second Comings" and "Armageddon." Biblical passages are interpreted to coincide with that scenario.

On the other hand, prophecy in its initial sense is a human agent (the prophet) who speaks God’s word for a particular existential situation. Christian Zionists would be well-advised, for example, to read the book of the prophet Amos as a corrective to these skewed interpretations of various passages often quoted from Ezekiel. Daniel, and Revelation.

Second, the adulation of John Hagee, as one who is becoming the most important leader of contemporary Christian Zionism, if not idolatry, comes awfully close to it. This cult of the personality was most striking at the "Night." David Brog, Executive Director of CUFI [Christians United for Israel] extolled the virtues of Hagee in the words, "Pastor John Hagee is not an important man. Pastor John Hagee is a great man!" With the cheering and clapping and whistling and stomping of feet and raised arms of the 3000 disciples at this announcement, I was reminded of Leni Riefenstahl’s film, Triumph of the Will, about the Nuremberg rallies in Nazi Germany. Hitler had his Goebbels; Hagee has his Brog.

Interspersed with religious rant from misinterpreted Hebrew Scriptures (the New Testament was not mentioned once, nor was Jesus; God got a tip of the hat only occasionally) was political bombast. This was supplied by Malcolm Hoenlein, Executive Vice President of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations.

Two things were most disturbing: the advocation of violence and the racism of the Christian Zionist movement. Time and again Hoenlein, as well as Hagee, called for the bombing and possible invasion of Iran. Diplomacy is not an option since it simply conveys weakness to the 300 million (count ‘em) Muslim terrorists who "hate freedom" (that old canard) and who, if not stopped in Iran, will eventually come to our shores with suitcases full of nuclear bombs.

What is inherent in this scenario is the racism that declares the superiority of the West and western culture over against the East (read Middle East). And that racism is Manichaean -- in stark terms "they" are evil, "we" are good (so Hoenlein). The good must not only defend itself against the evil, it must wipe it out; it must obliterate it.

Finally, I am struck by the fact that throughout the speeches and the hoopla the centuries-old complaint of Jewish victimhood was juxtaposed with Israeli military triumph (also of the will), which (God?) will grant Israel. Victim or conqueror: You can’t have it both ways.

Hagee closed his speech with "God bless Israel and God bless the United States of America." Implied is "and God damn all those who are not us."

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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)

"God bless Israel and God bless the United States of America." Implied is "and God damn all those who are not us."

And that is the reason we are in the mess in which we presently find ourselves.

However, by following Zionism, the Christians are damning this country, too.

Phant2000  posted on  2007-06-05   11:45:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Red Jones (#0)

zio-nutter bump

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-05   11:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#0)

When they all get raptured out I think I will go around and collect their baubles and trinkets they left behind.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-06-05   13:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Red Jones (#0)

Of course, if Hagee wants to honor Israel and give it gobs of non-governmental funds that is certainly his privilege. But to promote this under the aegis of "Christian" is, frankly, fraudulent.

If Hagee were a frog, I'd put him in the microwave, juke it up and watch him pop.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-06-05   14:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

If Hagee were a frog,

I'd go for the blender--the Frog-O-Matic.

Hagee's Israel First/Christianity and America Last ass is going to burn in hell along with his treasonous masters of Zionist propaganda co-horts.

Supporters of Bush and the Iraq war for Israel and oil are traitors to America and they hate American troops.

wbales  posted on  2007-06-05   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: wbales (#5)

If Hagee were a frog,

As a kid I spent my summers on my uncle’s farm. His hogs thought frogs were the tastiest treat around. I’ll dream of Hagee being processed into pig shit tonight!

Praise the Lord and fuck Israel!

karelian  posted on  2007-06-05   16:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#0)

If John Hagee’s "Night to Honor Israel" extravaganza is any indication, Christian Zionism is a misnomer. From happy-clappy Jewish praise music, to love songs crooned to and about Israel, to a kitschy Hava Nagila; from invocations and benedictions that turn out to be sermons; from Muslim-bashing to Israel lauding; from dramatic processions to keynote addresses; from offerings taken and offerings given -- there was not a shred, a trace, a scintilla of Christianity in the proceedings. It could well have been sponsored by the PTA or the Rotary Club.

....David Brog, Executive Director of CUFI [Christians United for Israel] extolled the virtues of Hagee in the words, "Pastor John Hagee is not an important man. Pastor John Hagee is a great man!" With the cheering and clapping and whistling and stomping of feet and raised arms of the 3000 disciples at this announcement, I was reminded of Leni Riefenstahl’s film, Triumph of the Will, about the Nuremberg rallies in Nazi Germany. Hitler had his Goebbels; Hagee has his Brog.

Interspersed with religious rant from misinterpreted Hebrew Scriptures (the New Testament was not mentioned once, *** nor was Jesus; God got a tip of the hat only occasionally) was political bombast. This was supplied by Malcolm Hoenlein, Executive Vice President of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves *** swift destruction.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Pe/2/1.html

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Luk 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.*** Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-06-06   9:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Red Jones (#0)

I reviewed Amos. Great line here:

Amo 4:12 — Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: [and] because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Amo/Amo004.html#12

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-06-06   9:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

Amos of course is in the Old Testament meaning it has jewish origins. here's another verse from Amos

Amos 6:14 But, behold, I will raise up against you a nation, O house of Israel, saith the LORD the God of hosts; and they shall afflict you from the entering in of Hemath unto the river of the wilderness.

I'm not such a big bible scholar, but here's how I see it. The Old Testament does speak huge blessings & promises to the hebrew people of that day. But each time such a thing is spoken there is later on an admonition that says that if they do not follow his laws, then he will take the promises & blessings away and even punish them. And that is spoken many times in the Old Testament.

and then late in the Old Testament there is even at least one statement that there is a conspiracy against god among the jews.

And this talk that god will withdraw these promises & blessings occurs even in the first 5 books of the bible that jews accept as their Torah. But jews today will tell you that they are above judgement. and the large majority of Israelis are very secular, many even maybe a majority will tell you that they don't even believe in god. Yet they believe in that blessing god gave them to get that land - and will do anything to get it including lying and killing.

Then in the New Testament jesus speaks very clearly and repeatedly that this covenant given to the ancient hebrews is for those who believe in him and not specifically for the jews.

and the term 'Israel' is used repeatedly in both New Testament & Old Testament to describe either the group who believe in god or the group of people who will inhabit the kingdom of god here on earth after judgement occurs.

So I think that christians who idolize and even worship Israel and the modern jews are blinded.

tell me if I'm close to correct & where I'm incorrect in this. thanks in advance.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-06-06   18:21:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones, and all others. (#9)

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

IMO, John Hagee does not have a clue as concerning the two houses of Israel. Namely, the House of Israel and the House of Judah, to say nothing of the difference between the present day "State of Israel" and the true Israelites.

The 3 tribed House of Judah, ie Judah, Benjamin and part of Levi, (known as the Jews) went into captivity in Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar.Years later they were allowed to return to Jerusalem because of another kings kindness to the House of Judah.

The House of Israel was also sent into captivity under the Assyrians. God divorced the House of Israel. You can read about the 'remarrying of God" to the House of Israel in the book of Hebrews. The House of Israel never came out of this captivity and was hence dispersed into all the world, never to be heard from again, so some people think today.

The "Jews" and/or the State of Israel cannot be the House of Israel today ... and I would venture to say that probably most of the people in the State of Israel are not real bloodline Jews today.

Think about the fact that there are only approximately 15 million Jews in the world today. The present day world population is just over 6 1/2 Billion. The present day population of the USA just turned 300,000,000. Only about 2% of the USA is Jewish.

Now, God told Abraham that He would make his (Abraham's) seed as the dust of the earth, the stars in the heavens, and many nations and kings would come from them. I ask you, where are they?? The present day State of Israel is not a prosperous nation and if the USA were to curtail funding of this State of Israel, they would fall to pieces in a few months, if not weeks of time. Also, where are the multitudes of "JEWS" that God told Abraham He would make of his seed?

Amos 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,....

You do the study and come to your own conclusions as to whether what Mr. Hagee is saying is true or not, and whether it's worth all the effort he is putting into it. Remember this, God does not need mans help in whatever He deems necessary for the House of Israel or the House of Judah.

lostball  posted on  2007-07-23   20:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lostball (#10)

The present day State of Israel is not a prosperous nation and if the USA were to curtail funding of this State of Israel, they would fall to pieces in a few months, if not weeks of time.

yes, enough of AmerIsrael. good post, lostball. welcome to 4um.

christine  posted on  2007-07-23   20:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lostball (#10)

thanks for the feedback. that is fantastic info.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-07-23   20:29:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lostball (#10)

and I would venture to say that probably most of the people in the State of Israel are not real bloodline Jews today.

http://www.ftdna.com/public/Jewish_Q/

http://www.jewishgen.org/DNA/

They're trying very hard to be a lot of things...

When Scotland Was Jewish
http://dnaconsultants.com/Detailed/109.html

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-23   20:36:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

When they all get raptured out I think I will go around and collect their baubles and trinkets they left behind.

I plan on collecting their wallets. I won't even bother with the coins.

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-07-23   20:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#13)

When Scotland Was Jewish

My ass.

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-07-23   20:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: YertleTurtle (#14)

The nuttiest ones think they'll be rich in heaven. Oh, wait, that's all of them.

We now return you to your dream...

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   20:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#13)

please beat me death with a stick before they do:

http://www.haruth.com/AsianIndia.html

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   20:49:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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