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Title: Immigration Bill Fails Crucial Test Vote; stunning setback that could spell its defeat for the year...
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... /06/07/national/w180257D23.DTL
Published: Jun 7, 2007
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-06-07 21:08:24 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 446
Comments: 22

(06-07) 18:05 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

A broad immigration bill to legalize millions of people in the U.S. unlawfully failed a crucial test vote Thursday, a stunning setback that could spell its defeat for the year.

The vote was 45-50 against limiting debate on the bill, 15 short of the 60 that the bill's supporters needed to prevail. Most Republicans voted to block Democrats' efforts to bring the bill to a final vote.

The legislation, which had been endorsed by President Bush, would tighten borders, institute a new system to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers in addition to giving up to 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.

Conceived by an improbable coalition that nicknamed the deal a "grand bargain," the measure exposed deep rifts within both parties and is loathed by most GOP conservatives.

Senate Majority Harry Reid, D-Nev., who had made no secret of his distaste for parts of the bill, said earlier he would move on to other matters if the immigration measure's supporters didn't get 60 votes Thursday night.

The defeat set off a bitter round of partisan recriminations, with Democrats and Republicans each accusing the other of killing it.

Most Republicans voted against ending debate, saying they needed more time to make the bill tougher with tighter border security measures and a more arduous legalization process for unlawful immigrants.

All but a handful of Democrats supported the move, but they, too, were holding their noses at provisions of the bill. Many of them argued it makes second-class citizens of a new crop of temporary workers and rips apart families by prioritizing employability over blood ties in future immigration.

Still, they had argued that the measure, on balance, was worth advancing.

"We can all find different aspects of this legislation that we differ with," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, the leading Democratic architect of the bill.

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#2. To: Brian S (#0)

They'll vote on it in the dead of night on July 04 when the rest of America is celebrating.

Its not dead yet. It'll come back again and again.

mirage  posted on  2007-06-07   21:16:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: mirage (#2)

Its not dead yet. It'll come back again and again.

for sure

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-06-07   21:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: intotheabyss (#3)

Its not dead yet. It'll come back again and again.

for sure

Night (Congress) of the Living Dead.

Calamity  posted on  2007-06-07   21:39:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Calamity (#8)

They pulled the bill off the floor indefinitely. They will bring it back after they and the lobbyists and La Razzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza succeed in buying of frightening enough senators.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-06-07   21:42:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)

They pulled the bill off the floor indefinitely. They will bring it back after they and the lobbyists and La Razzzzzzzzzzzzzzzza succeed in buying of frightening enough senators.

As other sites worry about Islamofascism, our own (cough) public servants are most likely looking at the justice system in Mexico now, as they review their options on this little amnesty bill squabble. OH, it's to look like a hanky fight to impress the few left with faith in them.

They must ask themselves, 'Shall my head become a soccer ball, as I am now, an organ donor in the grip of LaRaza? Or, shall I announce a medical issue and enter rehab, in Paraguay.'

To me, amnesty is likely a done deal... these golden hundred in Congress, are negotiating for a tad more than gold watches and a 3 day cruise to Ensenada with a pair of free wine glasses, a hula hoop and a beachball signed by the captain.

Once Amnesty passes, I bet the whole of DC books for faraway beaches. Hope they get their TB shot.

Calamity  posted on  2007-06-07   21:56:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Calamity (#10)

Incidentally, I love Mexico and the Mexicans IN Mexico. It's a great place to visit and to spend a vacation. In many ways, Mexicans in Mexico are freer than Americans in America. There are fewer regulations and more personal freedoms. The state is weak and corrupt and corruptible and, more often than not, you interact with red-blooded people, not with fish-eyed, absurd bureaucrats. I will be there in a few days and I know I will be sorry to return back home after 2 weeks.

Why do the Mexicans come here by the millions? I bet it's those weak ones who wish to live in a Welfare state, not the proud individualists. The weak Mexicans coming here by the millions help make Mexico a better place and accelerate America's eventual and inevitable collapse.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-06-07   22:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#11)

In many ways, Mexicans in Mexico are freer than Americans in America.

Why is it no one wants to live in a freer place?

/rhetorical

Calamity  posted on  2007-06-08   9:08:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#18. To: Calamity (#16)

In many ways, Mexicans in Mexico are freer than Americans in America.

Why is it no one wants to live in a freer place?

/rhetorical

As I explained at #11, it is not true that 'no one wants to live in a freer place".

Those who come to the US now come here not because they seek freedom but because they wish to share in the benefits of the Welfare state, designed to benefit the weak in return for the weak giving up their freedoms. There are many Americans who moved to Mexico and other places permanently. They are not there because they seek economic benefits but because they do not wish to be bothered by the overwhelmingly intrusive US state.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-06-09 06:32:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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