Title: Banned as well! Source:
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Well it looks like I have been banned from LP as well. No warning. I broke no rules either. The only thing I can figure is that I was banned for posting here.
Not the first time I have been banned from a forum for posting on a different forum.
BTW, I can say with confidence that you will never get banned from this forum just because you post on a different forum. I post on about three, but 4UM is by far the best of them all.
God is always good! "It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
post on FR that El Pee is banning all their FR bannees so .... bypass El Pee in looking for a home !
Sometimes it is good to stir the pot.
I know of NO ONE who did anything to Sally the Sack but:
1. post about a candidate the Jew Crew will not tolerate
2. answer insult with insult ( Sally the Sack should re-read her take a bath in the Jew pond conversion manual and find that old "eye for an eye" concept)
3. warn others , de facto, about what was going on and alternatives.
4. expose Zionists and Trotsky-ites for the locusts swarms they are
I would expect a credo devoted to liberty to be able to handle that
Well JimRob at least did my banning publicly. Admin Moderator copied my posts from the other forum to FR then they banned me. JR also gave me the option of posting a opus which I declined.
She has help. January 2007 , 6000 Israeli technicians given the latest military wide range monitoring equipment with keyword and personal ID along with talking points to deflate ANYTHING that does not mold neatly into the Jewish agenda .
I imagine the US is tightest on their pointy little head screens because they own ~ 80% of the US and its government.
Must protect our investment in infiltration and filching you know !!
I posted a link to TwentyTwelve that has now been removed. Yukon got on his high horse about it. Amazing how she can find those posts but not the ones like this.
Dont sweat it. They never could take the heat over there.
Remember that linked article on the other thread that you gave me the perfect 10s?
It's stuff like that, epecially my commentary (I was absolutely merciless and in their face when I posted there.), they cannot handle since they have no answer but ad hominem or personal attacks. When one of the bots would answer it was usually a rehash of what had been earlier refuted. In denial and repeating the lies is their only recourse.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
She has help. January 2007 , 6000 Israeli technicians given the latest military wide range monitoring equipment with keyword and personal ID along with talking points to deflate ANYTHING that does not mold neatly into the Jewish agenda
Where did you get this? Explains a lot, like can of corn and Be a Chooser.
To be expected, of course, but I did not think that the evidence would exist, so the question, please.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
International Jewry's Megaphone software download...
wiki
The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the http://Giyus.org website.
Megaphone, released on July 19, 2006, delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to community members. Members can easily voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front. The tool has been endorsed by Amir Gissin, head of the Public Affairs Department of the Foreign Ministry of Israel. [1]
Megaphone is a pro-Israeli lobbying tool used to automate the function of online petitioning where the trivialities of searching for Israel/ME debates are minimised, effectively increasing the efficiency of the user in posting Pro-Israeli messages with the minimum of fuss.
Some might argue that it is a propoganda tool used to skew Global opinion, especially where some forums publicly air messages that are strongly in favour of the Israeli position. Others feel that is stifles free speech by purposefully obstructing the opinions of others through spamming tactics.[2]
At the end of the day, it is a powerful lobbying tool used to express the opinion of Israel to good effect, and it shows the limitless boundaries that most media outlets and opposing organisations have yet failed to capitalise on.
#41. To: richard9151, BTPHOLDINGS, christine (#38)
I do not have time to dig out the news release right now...and that is not a dodge...
I posed the question myself for corroboration and I believe BTPHoldings? responded.
Back in January I was browsing Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post. I found a buried news release that the Defense Ministry ( or propaganda division ) had recruited 6000 Israeli and other IT "technicians" given them the latest military internet monitoring equipment and charged them to monitor, root out and destroy any thoughts, posts, philosophies, movements or remarks that were not straight down the line of Israeli and International Jewry interests. The "technicians" it was stated had material and orders to refute and mold anything not flattering to these interests.
I believe BTP saw the news releases too (I do not know the correct moniker.) As per my memory, the news release was in a business section touting the innovative ways Israel utilized "homegrown and visiting and foreign located technicians", with the emphasis on recent Israeli IT technicians benefiting from a government program so good for the Jews. This was the gist as I remember it.
I posted the entire article and news release on El Pee...
Don't feel bad. The scum on ElPee were literally posting open "thank you" messages to Goldi when I got the heave ho. It's so nice to know you are appreciated. ;0)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
At the end of the day, it is a powerful lobbying tool used to express the opinion of Israel to good effect, and it shows the limitless boundaries that most media outlets and opposing organisations have yet failed to capitalise on.
I have long suspected Goldi is more than one person.
There was a rumor floated that there were indeed other poseurs acting for Goldi when she had to be unavailable for some reason or another. When the shrillness got too loud, the phantom mods disappeared, or so it would seem.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
At the end of the day, it is a powerful lobbying tool used to express the opinion of Israel to good effect, and it shows the limitless boundaries that most media outlets and opposing organisations have yet failed to capitalise on.
One difference with Wiki is:
The news release I remember explicitly stated the 6000 technicians...not just "truth-bearing Jew Students" ....had just been given the latest MILITARY wide location internet equipment to monitor many blogs and sites simultaneously and respond immediately.
isn't it though? that's because of her little tattlers. you know what's humorous? when goldi first opened LP, she encouraged my trolling on FR for LP recruits.
International Jewry's Megaphone software download...
Thank you both. This is the type of detail that needs to get out so that people can begin to see how International Jewry encompasses nearly all Jews, and how they all work to the same goals.
I forget what such worker ant/Jews are called (Surium?), but some of the info posted about the Mossad details how so-called ordinary Jews are ALWAYS on call to be used as needed.
And still people do not get it..... Oh well.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
The news release I remember explicitly stated the 6000 technicians...not just "truth-bearing Jew Students" ....had just been given the latest MILITARY wide location internet equipment to monitor many blogs and sites simultaneously and respond immediately.
The "truth-bearing Jewish stuents" schtick was nothing more than damage control attempts when the ZioNazis realized their mistake at the original release.
I believe the original release has now been scrubbed from google searches, but a search of some of the more obscure cache search engines, such as waybackmachine, might turn something up.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
No, the rules here, such as they are, are selectively applied and enforced and most everyone knows that. Don't piss on people's legs and tell them it is raining. Ban me if you want to but you know that what I am saying is true.
malador
You played that sick sorry game last thread asking where they were. THEY ARE GONE. I REMOVED ALL 10 OF THEM BEFORE I POSTED THIS ARTICLE. YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A MORON.
Goldi-Lox
- (PS. I happen to know the guy was talking to palo, and saw the articles, signed off and when signed on again they were gone...so a simple " Where?"
Goldi-Lox "Keep pushing my buttons."
reply: BUTTON #51 Happy2BMe-OnLP
Goldi-Lox (#60)
I like Tancredo...and I support him.
Even with his votes for things you know will destroy America? Thanks. All I need to know.
malador
....blindsided and not expecting the ambush, Brer sees Sally the Sack's insult and ....
Don't even go there asshole. Goldi-LOX
Fukk you , you two-bit shill !!
and a late conversion at that
Censorship and a persistant Control freak wail is your only game ...
in addition to stupid posts sounding like a retarded third-grader
BrerRabbit
and that is all there is to that...but GL did not ban for that, a flying monkey was called up to receive some more and that was the excuse.
curiously, according to alexa (i don't know how accurate it is), 2% of 4um's posters are in Israel. LP has none.
christine
I would call that definitive rather than curious in light of what you know about Jewish infiltration and mind control.
It amazes me, Mind Control, Thought Police, Propaganda organs to make Goebbls proud, STASI on demand....all in the name of peace and freedom of course....
Oooops. If you posted the link I think you did, the Ziofreaks over there really got their panties in a twist over it. As I said, my commentary can indeed be merciless. They will never debate anything of that nature. I am well remembered and very much disliked. Sounds like a personal problem, theirs!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I hope it is not too laid back for you here. Enjoy the sense of community and relax a bit. At El Pee I always felt I was some kind of undercover doppleganger always in danger of being waylaid by the Flying Monkey Squads or watched through slitted eyes by Sally the Sack and her Masters.
And frankly, I was not intimidated...disgusted but not intimidated.
I am NOT sure about the jewishness of Wiki - this blurb is excerpted from a recent Business2.0 article -
The irony of Wikipedia is that, although it was founded by a former securities trader and experienced entrepreneur, it has yet to make anyone rich. Wikipedia was launched in January 2001, long before such upstarts as MySpace (2003) and YouTube (2005), but Wales built his site without a mechanism to capitalize on its success.
Had it not been set up as a nonprofit - free of advertisements and promotions -Wikipedia could easily have generated hundreds of millions of dollars in ad revenue. Wales, an Ayn Rand small-l libertarian, figured that user devotion could be harnessed to make Wikipedia-like products that bring in a buck or two.
So Wales decided to find out - one cautious step at a time. In October 2004 he co-founded a for-profit company, now called Wikia, with Angela Beesley, one of a handful of Wikipedia contributors who now collect paychecks from Wikia. (There are still only five employees on the payroll of the Wikimedia Foundation, which administers Wikipedia.)
Two years later Wales stepped down as foundation chair. Last June he hired Gil Penchina, an angel investor and former eBay vice president, to be Wikia's CEO and set up offices in San Mateo, Calif. "I'm not real good at the administrative part of running a company," Wales admits.
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I saw pictures of the founders, and read their names, and found nothing convincingly "jewish" about them at all. Plus, I'm not sure how many small l libertarian jews are running around out there.
Can you find this article now? Is it archived somewhere?
Who knows if it has been scrubbed? I only remember browsing various in Israel sources and deciding if I wanted to stay in Eilat or Aqaba on an upcoming trip and was into local sources at the time.
Others have better Internet research skills than I have.
I have never been able to locate the feeds I ( and about 10 million others ) saw of missiles streaking up and hitting TWA 800.
Do you find the emoticons somewhere, and store them on Photobucket, or can you get them at Photobucket also?
Both. My collection has been saved as I see people post them. I took the initial collection from a few forums I was signed into. I see adds on photobucket for emoticons but I have not tried that. Looks like they put a link on your tool bar and I don't like that idea. I do have links to a few places with good ones if you are interested. Plus I would be happy to pass any of mine to you.
International Jewry's Megaphone software download...
Thank you both. This is the type of detail that needs to get out so that people can begin to see how International Jewry encompasses nearly all Jews, and how they all work to the same goals.
I forget what such worker ant/Jews are called (Surium?), but some of the info posted about the Mossad details how so-called ordinary Jews are ALWAYS on call to be used as needed.
So is this website some kind of Jew hating circus?
No, from what I can tell most people are critisizing the politics and neo-con stuff behind governmental decision making. Richard's comment went over into a new area in my opinion.
When I first started posting on another forum years ago, I misjudged some people on this subject. Now one of those posters is someone I hold in very high regard, and I now know they do not hate Jews as people at all, but rather, he was critisizing the political neo-con and governmental aspects of things.
Ever since then, I learned to let people speak freely.
...and I now know they do not hate Jews as people at all, but rather, he was criticizing the political neo-con and governmental aspects of things.
None of the sane posters here hate anyone: we may hate lots of folks' actions and what they do, but this is not a "hate" site, except for evil actions.
We know the difference between the Torah believing Jews, and the Talmud believing Zionists and try to help others learn the difference.
We know the difference between the Torah believing Jews, and the Talmud believing Zionists and try to help others learn the difference.
Yes, and the most interesting example of this difference, is the reaction people had to the Neturei Karta. Talk about the mainstream press covering that up quick! Boy, it's as though those people don't exist at all!!
I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. -- Christine, Freedom4um
I'm not the one sucking my thumb and simpering, pussyboy, you are. Now be a good little pussyboy and go call one of the government tattle-tale hotlines on me like you did to Malador which precipitated your banning at El Pee.
I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. -- Christine, Freedom4um
Yeah...they had their synagogue in NYC recently set on fire for sending delegates to Iran of the Holocaust conference. Jews on the streets of NYC hindered firefighters from getting to the scene...and, of course, later it was ruled an accidental fire. Complete control of persons and thought...
I'm not the one sucking my thumb and simpering, pussyboy, you are. Now be a good little pussyboy and go call one of the government tattle-tale hotlines on me like you did to Malador which precipitated your banning at El Pee.
What are you, a four year-old? You need to read my tagline if the words aren't too big for you, pussyboy.
I do not say this lightly, but anyone who cannot handle the content of another's speech may not be suitable for this forum. Such a person may be better suited for a forum whose moderators control and steer the forum's ideas and speech in a given direction. -- Christine, Freedom4um
Well it looks like I have been banned from LP as well. No warning. I broke no rules either. The only thing I can figure is that I was banned for posting here.
Sorry to hear that farmfriend. It looks like Goldi is purging posters like swatting flies this past week. Of course, she's banning the people that attempt to engage in rational discussions and apparently allowing the most rabid neocon attack dogs to remain, such as Byteshredder and MadDog.
Mister Clean, who isn't quite a full-fledged bot, also got banned the other day. He'd been rather calm in his discussions, but got banned for a fairly tame comment compared to what these other fanatical nutjobs have hurled at people there.
Somethings up at LP and with Goldi, that's for sure.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
Does childish name calling count as disrupting too or are some posters exempt?
Different kettle of fish.. we are pretty much hands off here.. and very very few people ever get banned.. only those who are sent here to disrupt.. other than that.. settle your own differences.
Different kettle of fish.. we are pretty much hands off here.. and very very few people ever get banned.. only those who are sent here to disrupt.. other than that.. settle your own differences.
So name calling is not considred disruptive but a sarcastic response to it is?
Mister Clean, who isn't quite a full-fledged bot, also got banned the other day. He'd been rather calm in his discussions, but got banned for a fairly tame comment compared to what these other fanatical nutjobs have hurled at people there.
None of the sane posters here hate anyone: we may hate lots of folks' actions and what they do, but this is not a "hate" site, except for evil actions.
We know the difference between the Torah believing Jews, and the Talmud believing Zionists and try to help others learn the difference.
Thanks lodwick
I just may make that my tag line. It is the truth.
Yeah...they had their synagogue in NYC recently set on fire for sending delegates to Iran of the Holocaust conference. Jews on the streets of NYC hindered firefighters from getting to the scene...and, of course, later it was ruled an accidental fire. Complete control of persons and thought...
I think the ones that have caused us BOTH problems are the following;
Byteshredder moldyoldie
On the other hand, Scrivener appears to be quite rational, as well as liberator as of late. Scivener is pals with Byteshredder, but not to the extent of ganging up on one of Byteshredder's targets.
I've never had a problem with Happy2BMe-OnLP.
Now back to the two that ARE a problem there. Byteshredder goes out of his way to be obnoxious and confrontational, along with his partner MadDog. The two of them gang up on anyone that doesn't toe the party line, hurling insults, slander, accustions of siding with the terrorists, and any other thing they can cook up.
Then God forbid their target attempts to defend himself, moldyoldie will come along, ping Goldi, and accuse the victim of attacking other posters.
I think it is moldioldie that has sent Goldi emails behind our backs, accusing the TWO of us more than likely of all sorts of imagined (or make that FABRICATED) wrongs, boo hooing and laying it on thick.
They appear to be a team, and I think they are more than likely ClownePosse castaways doing what they love to do, and that is wreaking havoc and destroying a forum.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
"This is the type of detail that needs to get out so that people can begin to see how International Jewry encompasses nearly all Jews, and how they all work to the same goals.
I forget what such worker ant/Jews are called (Surium?), but some of the info posted about the Mossad details how so-called ordinary Jews are ALWAYS on call to be used as needed."
I'm using it as an example of specific reasons. Mister Clean is suggesting that people who are against zionism are jew haters. That link is a direct example of that belief not holding water.
I appreciate your free-speech issue, but let's not get over-the-top. The link has a specific connection.
No problem. I remember our discussions there, and you appeared to speak rationally and used well reasoned arguments, rather than the standard barrage of ad hominem insults many there rely upon to "make their case".
I suggest though that you take a deep breath and realize that people here see you as a potential adversary. Just lighten up a bit and take it in stride.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
No, it's not...it's true. Most, IMO, is about 60 to 75%. If false, the Lobby would not own congress, the press and that Television you're so enthralled with.
I'm using it as an example of specific reasons. Mister Clean is suggesting that people who are against zionism are jew haters. That link is a direct example of that belief not holding water.
I appreciate your free-speech issue, but let's not get over-the-top. The link has a specific connection.
Oh dont misunderstand I wasnt being critical of the link or whatever. I was just asking..
And there is a distinction between those who hate a group of people and those who criticize the politics of a group ..
No, it not...it's true. Most, IMO, is about 60 to 75%. If false, the Lobby would not own congress, the press and that Television you're so enthralled with.
Is that supposed to prove that 'international Jewry" functions like the Borg, ready to call upon Jews worldwide regardless of their station in life to push the Jewish agenda?
No, has nothing to do with beliefs systems or income...it's an Ideology, just like Communism was less of a gov't but more a Movement of utopia. Flawed logic, flawed human beings.
Richard1961 responds to the information below provided by Eoghan and JCHarris (which incidentally JC said that he posted same on LP) and that is reason, in your mind, to deem Freedom4um a jew hating circus? That's ridiculous.
International Jewry's Megaphone software download...
wiki
The Megaphone desktop tool is a Microsoft Windows application distributed by the World Union of Jewish Students and other pro-Israel organizations, through the http://Giyus.org website.
Megaphone, released on July 19, 2006, delivers real-time alerts about key articles, videos, blogs, and surveys to community members. Members can easily voice their opinions and work together to support Israel on the public opinion front. The tool has been endorsed by Amir Gissin, head of the Public Affairs Department of the Foreign Ministry of Israel. [1]
Megaphone is a pro-Israeli lobbying tool used to automate the function of online petitioning where the trivialities of searching for Israel/ME debates are minimised, effectively increasing the efficiency of the user in posting Pro- Israeli messages with the minimum of fuss.
Some might argue that it is a propoganda tool used to skew Global opinion, especially where some forums publicly air messages that are strongly in favour of the Israeli position. Others feel that is stifles free speech by purposefully obstructing the opinions of others through spamming tactics.[2]
At the end of the day, it is a powerful lobbying tool used to express the opinion of Israel to good effect, and it shows the limitless boundaries that most media outlets and opposing organisations have yet failed to capitalise on.
Is that supposed to prove that 'international Jewry" functions like the Borg, ready to call upon Jews worldwide regardless of their station in life to push the Jewish agenda?
I think you miss the point. There's a difference between a Jew and a Zionist.
A Jew is one that follows the Jewish religion, where a Zionist is one that supports Israel, right or wrong. A Zionist cares nothing about America, but is only concerned with the welfare of the Israeli government.
In fact, there is some VERY interesting history on all this, where some here would be better to explain it than me.
I don't think people here have a problem with Jews, but with Zionists.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
No, has nothing to do with beliefs systems or income...it's an Ideology, just like Communism was let of a gov't but more a Movement of utopia. Flawed logic, flawed human beings.
None of the Jews I've known had any Borg-like alliegance to an "international Jewry" collective.
Let's try this, since you don't want to "visit the website"....
From their site:
Judaism And Zionism Are Not The Same Thing We would like to take a few minutes of your time to prevent you from making a terrible mistake that may have disastrous results for many.
You have always without a doubt heard and read much about the political crises in the Middle East in which the State of Israel plays a central role. This is, in fact, an ongoing series of crises with potential to bring the greatest misfortune on the entire world. Tragically many believe that Zionism and Judaism are identical. Thus they conclude that the entire Jewish people is responsible for the actions of the Zionist government and the world crises which emanates from it. This is a Grave Error!
The truth is that the Jewish faith and Zionism are two very different philosophies. They are as opposite as day and night. The Jewish people have existed for thousands of years. In their two thousand years of Divinely decreed exile no Jew ever sought to end this exile and establish independent political sovereignty anywhere. The people's sole purpose was the study and fulfillment of the Divine commandments of the Torah.
The Zionist movement created the Israeli state. The latter is a persuasion less than one hundred years old. Its essential goal was and is to change the nature of the Jewish people from that of a religious entity to a political movement. From Zionism's inception the spiritual leaders of the Jewish people stood in staunch opposition to it.
To this day Torah Jewry remains forever loyal to its faith. Zionists want the world to believe that they are the representatives of the entire Jewish people. This is false! The Jewish people never chose them as their leaders.
The Zionists have deceived many well meaning Jewish people via terror, trickery and false propaganda. They have at their disposal the use of a nearly universally subservient media. Whoever attempts to criticize them puts his livelihood and, at times, his very life in danger.
However, despite the media blackout and easy resort to terror the simple truth remains unrefuted and irrefutable: ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH FAITH AND TORAH LAW THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE FORBIDDEN TO HAVE THEIR OWN STATE WHILE AWAITING THE MESSIANIC ERA!
The Creator gave us the Holy Land thousands of years ago. Yet, when we sinned, He took it away and sent us into exile. Since that time our task is to wait for Him to send the Messiah. At that time, the Creator alone, without any human being lifting a hand or saying a word, will bring us together and take us out of exile. He will likewise establish universal peace among all mankind and all will serve Him in good will.
Some religious Jews, confused by Zionist propaganda quote Biblical verses that state that G-d gave the children of Israel the Holy Land. They overlook, unfortunately, those verses which say that He took it away due to our sins. They further ignore those prophecies which explicitly describe the last exile's conclusion as a Divine, not a human process.
The Creator has commanded every Jew to follow the ways of peace and to be loyal to the country where he lives.
Torah true Jewry waits patiently for the Messianic redemption. They have nothing to do with any kind of pseudo "Jewish State" and its aggressions against other peoples. They have a deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians who have suffered the most from Zionism's false teachings and barbaric actions. The Zionist state is not a Jewish state. The Zionists alone are the only ones responsible for their actions. Authentic Jewry has and will continue to oppose the very existence of this blasphemous state.
OUR MISSION Judaism is the faith of the Jewish people. It is predicated upon G-d's existence and His revelation at Sinai.
At Sinai, in the presence of the assembled multitudes of Jews, recently released via Divine miracles from Egypt, the Creator revealed His Torah to the nation.
This Torah contains the basic doctrines of our faith, Divine commandments and the narrative of the earliest Jewish and general human encounter with G-d.
Throughout the centuries Jews pledged their assent to this Torah even when their lives were at stake. They maintained this loyalty with almost unanimous allegiance until the dawn of the modern age. In the three hundred - odd years since the so - called Enlightenment began, Jews and Gentiles throughout European civilization have been losing many souls to its evil clutches.
Today unfortunately there are many Jews who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of, and fail to, practice the basics of their faith. This is a great tragedy for many reasons. Perhaps paramount among them is the falsification of Judaism that results when those unaware of its basic assumptions speak to the general public.
It behooves all Jews loyal to their faith to proclaim to the world the truths of Judaism in as lucid a manner as possible.
Neturei Karta International is dedicated to the propagation and clarification of Torah Judaism.
Its only loyalty is to G-d and His revelation.
One of the basics of Judaism is that we are a people in exile due to Divine decree.
Accordingly, we are opposed to the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation, which seeks to force the end of exile. Our banishment from the Holy Land will end miraculously at a time when all mankind will unite in the brotherly service of the Creator.
In addition to condemning the central heresy of Zionism, we also reject its policy of aggression against all peoples. Today this cruelty manifests itself primarily in the brutal treatment of the Palestinian people. We proclaim that this inhuman policy is in violation of the Torah.
NKI seeks peace and reconciliation with all peoples and nations. This is especially needed in our relations towards the Islamic world where Zionism has for 53 years done so much to ruin Jewish - Muslim understanding.
We welcome the assistance of all men of good will and stand ready to assist all whose agenda coincides with ours.
Is that supposed to prove that 'international Jewry" functions like the Borg, ready to call upon Jews worldwide regardless of their station in life to push the Jewish agenda?
Give me a break.
Mister Clean
In my experience...and it is considerable....major cities and minor hamlets....the answer is...
YES !
( or did I imagine all the JDL and UJA banners across many many streets in NYC and the thousands on parade for m-o-n-e-y- for die Heimat and the rabbis all strong-arming the businessmen for tens and hundreds of thousands $$ and more each? )
Thank you both. This is the type of detail that needs to get out so that people can begin to see how International Jewry encompasses nearly all Jews, and how they all work to the same goals.
I forget what such worker ant/Jews are called (Surium?), but some of the info posted about the Mossad details how so-called ordinary Jews are ALWAYS on call to be used as needed.
And still people do not get it..... Oh well.
C'mon richard, do you really think that most of the world's Jews are Zionists and are "on-call" for action?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
I don't think Mister Clean is a paid poster. He's certainly not a BAC or a yukon.
Mr. C was very upset about the Wiki link to Megaphone...smells Israeli. BAC wouldn't touch the Jewish subjects because that wasn't his assignment or "area of expertize."
This is not fair commentary or criticism in my view, and it offends me.
Excuse me? Care to explain that?
Well, it presupposes a non existent male superiority, presumably because we don't suffer the change quite the same way.
But 10 years ago I was in a most definite male menopause, and I knew long before that that the women in my life were are are much stronger than me in every way but one, and without them I wouldn't be alive today.
Women are the reason I live and love, and owe them everything.
I suspect that you do too, and possibly haven't realized that at the very least they are entitled to be spared cheap shots about the natural changes they go through just as I and other men do.
I suppose I should have Pm'd you and I apologize for this. But, others seized on the comment and it "grew like Topsy" (an old drum solo by jazz drummer Cozy Cole) and let's not forget that our gracious hosts (no need for the antiquated feminine anymore, like "actress") are women.
Happy and scrivener and of late at least, liberator, were a joy.
I guess you missed the Scrivener thread attacking me and defending her buddy Byte. Happy posted that hangman's noose to me once and a snake. Everyone on that list joined in the beat me up thread in defence of Byte all because I tattled that Byte was using stolen graphix. And Scrive has made a habit of following me around the forum. Like em if you want but I'll pass.
I don't think Mister Clean is a paid poster. He's certainly not a BAC or a yukon.
Mr. C was very upset about the Wiki link to Megaphone...smells Israeli. BAC wouldn't touch the Jewish subjects because that wasn't his assignment or "area of expertize."
Mr.C acts more like a WhiteSands type when he makes nonsensical replies. And he is too quick to be an amateur.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Happy2BMe used to post on FR of course... and posted on the anti-immigration threads.. I thought he was normal LOL ..
Since you post a lot of graphics, one thing I used to laugh at Goldi about was when she would go bonkers .. saying they were eating up LP's bandwidth.. like DUH it's the site that HOSTS the graphics not where they're posted for crying out loud..
I get it but post #51 didn't make that distinction rather it lumped all Jews into some sinister "international Jewry" that only looks out for itself.
So that makes it alright for you to lump everyone who posts here under your anti-semitic label? I'm sorry I called you a cheesehead, I should have called you a shit-head.
Cheesehead having no relation to those football fans in my lexicon, of course.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
So is this website some kind of Jew hating circus?
Nope. Just don't cut any slack where the truth is concerned.
If you wish, you can search out the posts done on 4um covering The Thirteenth Tribe (written by a Jew); about the Babylonian Talmud (I assume written by a number of Jews); the book, You Gentiles (written by a Jew); the book, Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (I assume written by a Jew as this quote shows:
"The right place for the League of Nations is not Geneva or the Hague, Ascher Ginsberg has dreamed of a Temple on Mount Zion where the representatives of all nations should dedicate a Temple of Eternal Peace. Only when all peoples of the earth shall go to THIS temple as pilgrims is eternal peace to become a fact." (Ascher Ginsberg, in The German Jewish paper Judisch Rundschu, No. 83, 1921) Ascher Ginsberg is stated to have rewritten the "Protocols of Zion," in "Waters Flowing Eastward," page 38.;
the book, 'By Way of Deception' by Victor Ostrovsky, a Jew; and, of course, we have discussed, here in 4um, the neoconservative movement in the United States and how it is 99% Jewish, and their responsibility for the War in Iraq.
You know, but other than that, I can not think of more than another 40-50 posts on the subject, so no, no haters here; just truth seekers.
Oh, but I would like to share my ALL-TIME favorite quote;
MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 1789): "Henceforth no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest within the state than this race, which impoverished the people by their fraud, usury and money lending and commits all deeds which an honorable man despises. Subsequently they have to be removed and excluded from here as much as possible."
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
23. To: TwentyTwelve (#16) [:Comment Pulled: trolling for other sites is prohibited]
farmfriend posted on 2007-06-09 01:27:39 ET Reply Trace
24. To: KJMill (#22)
No, what it means is: if all of LP voted tonight, you probably wouldn't be on the island tomorrow. You think life is a popularity contest? This isn't a high school clique.
yukon posted on 2007-06-09 01:29:57 ET Reply Trace
25. To: farmfriend, TwentyTwelve (#23)
Can you be enticed? I told him he would fit right in the (((((((echo)))))))chamber! ROTFLOL!
But you should be ashamed!
yukon posted on 2007-06-09 01:31:48 ET Reply Trace
26. To: yukon (#25)
But you should be ashamed! Why?
farmfriend posted on 2007-06-09 01:32:27 ET Reply Trace
27. To: JustUsealittleBrainPower (#21)
If your new homes are built by illegal aliens they are crappy construction. Well, mine aren't.
yukon posted on 2007-06-09 01:32:57 ET Reply Trace
28. To: farmfriend (#26)
Why? You see nothing wrong with "recruiting" for another site while on this site? No wonder this country is in the shape it's in!
yukon posted on 2007-06-09 01:35:35 ET Reply Trace
29. To: RLKK (#19)
Being correct doesn't mean people want to hear it. You can say that again. It is evident here on a daily basis.
yukon posted on 2007-06-09 01:38:13 ET Reply Trace
I predict people are going to continue coming over here.
I hope. The banning is being done quietly and most I have contacted were not aware there was any banning going on. Word will get around though. I hope.
I don't think Mister Clean is a paid poster. He's certainly not a BAC or a yukon.
I don't either, though earlier I said he was our BAC replacement. The guy should have a right to his opinions too even if they are not the mainstream for this forum. I don't see him calling anyone "pussyboy" or faggot.
'By Way of Deception' by Victor Ostrovsky (pp. 86-9)
''Mossad local assistants or sayanim operating in western countries''
The next day Ran S. delivered a lecture on the sayanim, a unique and important part of the Mossad's operation. Sayanim ? assistants ? must be 100 percent Jewish. They live abroad, and though they are not Israeli citizens, many are reached through their relatives in Israel. An Israeli with a relative in England, for example, might be asked to write a letter saying the person bearing the letter represents an organization whose main goal is to help save Jewish people in the diaspora. Could the British relative help in any way?
There are thousands of sayanim around the world. In London alone, there are about 2,000 who are active, and another 5,000 on the list. They fulfill many different roles. A car sayan, for example, running a rental agency, could help the Mossad rent a car without having to complete the usual documentation. An apartment sayan would find accommodation without raising suspicions, a bank sayan could get you money if you needed it in the middle of the night, a doctor sayan would treat a bullet wound without reporting it to the police, and so on. The idea is to have a pool of people available when needed who can provide services but will keep quiet about them out of loyalty to the cause. They are paid only costs. Often the loyalty of sayanim is abused by katsas who take advantage of the available help for their own personal use. There is no way for the sayan to check this.
One thing you know for sure is that even if a Jewish person knows it is the Mossad, he might not agree to work with you, but he won't turn you in. You have at your disposal a nonrisk recruitment system that actually gives you a pool of millions of Jewish people to tap from outside your own borders. It's much easier to operate with what is available on the spot, and sayanim offer incredible practical support everywhere. But they are never put at risk nor are they privy to classified information.
Suppose during an operation a katsa suddenly had to come up with an electronics store as a cover. A call to a sayan in that business could bring 50 television sets, 200 VCRs, whatever was needed, from his warehouse to your building, and in next to no time, you'd have a store with $3 or $4 million worth of stock in it.
Since most Mossad activity is in Europe, it may be preferable to have a business address in North America. So, there are address sayanim and telephone sayanim. If a katsa has to give out an address or a phone number, he can use the sayan's. And if the sayan gets a letter or a phone call, he will know immediately how to proceed. Some business sayanim have a bank of 20 operators answering phones, typing letters, faxing messages, all a front for the Mossad. The joke is that 60 percent of the business of those telephone answering companies in Europe comes from the Mossad. They'd fold otherwise.
The one problem with the system is that the Mossad does seem to care how devastating it could be to the status of the Jewish people in the Diaspora if it was known. The you get if you ask is: "So what's the worst that could happen to those Jews?' they'd all come to Israel - Great."
The real truth is The bomb was placed inside the mess hall by someone connected to the food service company, or it's suppliers. A probable scenario is a Sayanim, employed by the UK contractor, placed an Iraqi in a position where he was able to smuggle a bomb in.
The bomb was in a propane tank that used to keep the buffet tables hot.
The injuries were due to ball bearings which rule out rockets, mortar, truck bombs, etc.
The terrorist drove a van past the tent, and filmed the explosion in detail. The van did a remote detonation, coordinating the filming with a 5 second driving window. This would require a surveillance van, with electronic and video capabilities, and a four man crew.
The bomb was sophisticated, and the target was psychological, which points to the Mossad.
and etc.
But hey, what do I know?
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
I can only speak for myself, but I've always thought malador would be welcomed warmly on this site. There is a lot of history though, that makes me want to bet malador will not be showing up here soon.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
I think we all should have smoking jackets. Even women. The world would just be cooler.
Yes I think you are on to something. Was out to the Downtown section of Co Springs last night and saw a young couple - the man had a nice vest on with a fedora - campy yet classy. Trend setter I can hope.
Simple fashion pretentsions may be a good social thing.
I am pretty convinced dressing like a meth gangster criminal is not apt to be condusive to the social behavior you or I want for our neighbors.
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
#296. To: JCHARRIS 41, richard 9151 38, BTPHOLDINGS 34, Eoghan 40, christine 48 and ALL (#46)
BT (#34): Remember that linked article on the other thread that you gave me the perfect 10s?
richard9151 (#38): Where did you get this?
Eoghan (#40): International Jewry's Megaphone software download...
JCHarris (#41): Back in January I was browsing Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post. I found a buried news release that the Defense Ministry ( or propaganda division ) had recruited 6000 Israeli and other IT "technicians" given them the latest military internet monitoring equipment and charged them to monitor, root out and destroy any thoughts, posts, philosophies, movements or remarks that were not straight down the line of Israeli and International Jewry interests. The "technicians" it was stated had material and orders to refute and mold anything not flattering to these interests.
Christine (#48): curiously, according to alexa (i don't know how accurate it is), 2% of 4um's posters are in Israel. LP has none.
The above are but a few of the remarks that have led me to this comment.
Anyone who is a true American, respects and wants to save our Constitution, and is looking for the answers on how this country got into this mess, should read your posts, responses and take part in the interaction. I am impressed with that which you are sharing and wish I could prod everyone who comes to 4um to read and start thinking for themselves.
As for L.Pee, to hell with that forum. I believe each one of you see that site for what it is. Lets not waste time beating dead horses, albeit that site is a perfect example of how Israel is at work destroying thoughts, posts, philosophies, movements or remarks.
Lastly, my thanks to christine for allowing the information and discourse to be posted and to continue.
Fair assessment Phant2000...some may be accused of extreme views...yet the lamp's still lit when the fog of lies try to pull the trump card. Pikers they are...fodder for entertainment.
I enjoy wearing hats. Nothing like a good ole fashion hat to make an outfit.
I don't know why but I look like a dork in most hats - much to my dismay. The only one I have ever found that worked well was this nice black Stetson with a low top. A nice gunfighters hat.
Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy. Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou
Being correct doesn't mean people want to hear it. You can say that again. It is evident here on a daily basis.
yukon
There you have the philosophy of censorship and coercion ststed plain as day.
Also you see yukon as a moderator , of sorts or in fact or both.
You also see old Robert Kocher (RLKK) from near Winchester/Martinsburg, caught (I know he is sickly and probably old) admitting the truth but too afraid to say it openly and fearing loss of his forum nest.
#317. To: Diana, Mister Clean, FormerLurker (#280)
The guy should have a right to his opinions too even if they are not the mainstream for this forum. I don't see him calling anyone "pussyboy" or faggot.
All true. But your little boy blue attacked unprovoked on his own.
I have known and crossed swords with MC for six months now and if he is not a NeoBOT then he should be and is well on the way.
All true. But your little boy blue attacked unprovoked on his own.
I have known and crossed swords with MC for six months now and if he is not a NeoBOT then he should be and is well on the way.
I didn't see where he attacked anybody here.
As far as his history on LP, I've crossed swords with him many times in the past, but these past several months he seemed to be coming around, much like liberator had come around as of late.
I know MC is against the Iraqi War, and isn't too fond of Bush. He can't be all bad.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
I don't hold Mister Clean in such high regard as you and beg to disagree.
MC is sliding towards the rat hole rather smoothly. He ain't there yet, but he's close. I don't take kindly to threats to be "turned in" to the Gestapo, which is evidently his MO on ElPeePee/. LOL. We'll see. The jury is still out.
As far as his history on LP, I've crossed swords with him many times in the past, but these past several months he seemed to be coming around, much like liberator had come around as of late.
I know MC is against the Iraqi War, and isn't too fond of Bush. He can't be all bad.
JC strikes me as being uninterested in an accurate description of Mister Clean.
Oh, but I would like to share my ALL-TIME favorite quote;
MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 1789): "Henceforth no Jew, no matter under what name, will be allowed to remain here without my written permission. I know of no other troublesome pest within the state than this race, which impoverished the people by their fraud, usury and money lending and commits all deeds which an honorable man despises. Subsequently they have to be removed and excluded from here as much as possible."
Is that supposed to prove that 'international Jewry" functions like the Borg, ready to call upon Jews worldwide regardless of their station in life to push the Jewish agenda?
Give me a break.
Mister Clean
In my experience...and it is considerable....major cities and minor hamlets....the answer is...
From what I have seen from you for the past 6 months.
IMNSHO
You are where many of us were several years ago.
I'll give you one example of where I was a few years ago...
I used to be totally against the "cashless society" believing it to be, as Alex Jones describes it, a "control grid" and privacy killer. I would preach against customer loyalty cards like the folks over at http://spychips.com.
But then I started participating in the "cashless society" and I started using those customer loyalty cards at the grocery store and guess what? Nothing bad happened! In fact, the "cashless society" has proven to be just what it's promoters claim, faster and more convenient than cash and the fact that I can track my spending through software has helped me manage money a lot more efficiently. All the scaremongering and paranoia over the "cashless society" is really just a bunch of bullshit. In fact, most scaremongering and paranoia are pure bullshit.
A few years ago I didn't really understand what America was all about but I do now. Far from being the "land of the free and home of the brave," America is the land of hype and exaggeration and the home of the peaceful consumer. EVERYTHING in America is blown completely out of proportion - the failures, successes, threats, EVERYTHING. Things are usually never as bad or as good as they're made out to be.
Hype rules the day in America whether it's the "we're #1" narcissism to the idea that Muslim radicals threaten our very survival to the idea that we'll be destroyed by global warming to the way the NFL calls the Superbowl champion the "world's" champion or how the media relentlessly hypes up the trivial.
Once you understand that America is all about money and exaggeration, you'll be as calm as David Carradine on "Kung Fu."
Goldi used naughty words that no lady would use in her description of me.
Who ever said a troglodyte like Goldi could be a lady?
Goldi is a filthy hypocrit. She bans people for using "naughty" words, then when she gets angry, she uses those same words herself. Not only does she use the same words, she allows others to use those same words or worse in their every post.
She threatens to ban Ron Paul articles because she's sick of seeing Ron Paul articles, and then turns around and posts Ron Paul articles.
She bans people or threatens to ban people for abusing breaking news, and then she posts articles in breaking news that are clearly NOT breaking news and would get others a time out or banning.
Not only is she a hypocrit, but she's mentally imbalanced. Out of the blue she'll post some incoherent, irrationally hysterical (and I don't mean funny) rant and demand that everyone on the forum focus their attention on HER pet political project.
If you ask me, instead of leaving LP, Neil should have stayed and kicked her ass to the curb. If that wasn't possible he should have refused to allow her to use his software so that she would have had no choice but to shut her fat ass down. Hopefully he's at least making a buck off of her dumbass.
There's a link and a copy somewhere on this thread. I had one post pulled about the same time I was banned. Yukon is the one that bitched about the post.
So is this website some kind of Jew hating circus?
I wouldn't say this website is a Jew hating circus. While there are clearly those here who believe Jews are behind everything, to include their toilets backing up, there are others who believe the Catholics responsible. There are those who hate black people, and others who hate everyone that isn't of their race or religious cult. There's even a muslum poster who attempts to convert people to Islam by posting silly videos of people claiming to be ex-priests and preachers.
Regardless, they are a small minority. More power to them and I wish them well. Their beliefs are no threat to me and have no effect on my beleifs. I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it or to worry about it. I usually don't read their posts. It's really that simple.
Menopause is no defense...ducking for any incoming on this one.
No need to duck due to the truth, loddy. Granted, there are some who would use menopause for any excuse, just as some pregnant women use pregnancy as a way to be the prima donna.
It's the mind that controls one's mouth and actions, not the womb.
For her; MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 1789):
Absolutely fasinating woman, and extremely intelligent. Which says a lot about the quote as well. I doubt that she would have said it unless there was very good reason for making the point, and, I may add, enforcing it.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
I wouldn't say this website is a Jew hating circus. While there are clearly those here who believe Jews are behind everything, to include their toilets backing up, there are others who believe the Catholics responsible. There are those who hate black people, and others who hate everyone that isn't of their race or religious cult. There's even a muslum poster who attempts to convert people to Islam by posting silly videos of people claiming to be ex-priests and preachers.
Regardless, they are a small minority. More power to them and I wish them well. Their beliefs are no threat to me and have no effect on my beleifs. I see no reason to get bent out of shape about it or to worry about it. I usually don't read their posts. It's really that simple.
I give your response two big thumbs up and four stars.
It looks like Goldi is purging posters like swatting flies this past week. Of course, she's banning the people that attempt to engage in rational discussions and apparently allowing the most rabid neocon attack dogs to remain, such as Byteshredder and MadDog.
Goldi is very selective in her bannings and I have noticed that the ones she bans, with the exception of spunkeye, are those who are anti-war, or those who don't have an irrational fear/hate of every muslum on earth. Considering she is Jewish and works for the MIC, I guess this isn't too surprising.
Here is a post I ran across a while back which gives an example of what she lets those who hold her same views get away with:
California is chock full of gang banger hip hop rap nigga scum. Time to kull and thin the herds.
Garbage, bulls**t, trash, crap, scum, idiocy, junk, stinking refuse, g. You need to do some research, and quit reading the festering, anti-USA, BS- dogma. Call your doc, and get a meds refill, sonny. You're a pathetic loser, for posting crap of this ilk/garbage. 220v electro-shock therapy for you? Yes, I'm betting you need at least 220v!
"...the great services you are going to perform for all humanity.." WTF are you talking about, scumbag? Take some more Rush Limbaugh Oxycontin/vodka, lowlife! Hey, assh*ole: you're so far gone down the liberal- demokkkRAT-hole, you're a pathetic, lowlife, dirtbag subhuman POS. Do the world a real favor: kill yourself!
Don't put *your filthy words* into my post, you lowlife, subhuman assh*le punk homo-sodomite faggot POS! islamo-fascists rape all sexes, bugger-boys, murder/stone women etc etc etc, or aren't you smart enough to read and understand that, assw*per? Your mentally-ill state of abject stupidity, leftism, treason, sedition, sabotage, hate-America, hate-US Military, is legendary, turd-polisher! Crawl back under your slimy, algae-covered, left- wing rock, subhuman filth!
Byteshredder goes out of his way to be obnoxious and confrontational, along with his partner MadDog. The two of them gang up on anyone that doesn't toe the party line, hurling insults, slander, accustions of siding with the terrorists, and any other thing they can cook up.
These two.....if the government ever declares martial law, these two would be standing at the side of the road waving American flags as the tanks come rolling in and pointing out people they believe are traitors for not toeing the party line. This isn't because they are patriots to the country or their party though, it's because they are cowards. They would be doing the same same if the tanks were Chinese. They would willingly be a part of any American version of a vichy government if they tought it would save their asses.
For her; MARIA THERESA, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (1771 1789):
Absolutely fasinating woman, and extremely intelligent. Which says a lot about the quote as well. I doubt that she would have said it unless there was very good reason for making the point, and, I may add, enforcing it.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
richard9151
Why do you think Shakespeare was banned in the schools?
I guess Shakespeare was an anti-semite.
In fact, it seems everybody is an anti-semite who speaks up against deceit, greed, pilpul, hypocrisy, crony only privilege, mass murder, injustice, lies, roots of many tyrannies espoused, fomented, managed or practiced by a disloyal to any entity but themselves ethnic classification hiding behing a religion, enforced guilt and a victum wail.
I love the Spy Museum. It tells the truth in an almost Jews Only Rogues Gallery.
Visit the Spy Museum in DC soon .
Wait very long or it will be shuttered or the contents changed to reflect the BIG LIE.
You keep referencing that as if I have a clue as to what you're talking about.
Your ZioBOTism and talking points in parallel with the flying monkey squads of NeoCons on El PEE.
I might add your supposedly clever but clumsy attempts at de-railing tactics as prior questions, pilpul, and always-evidenced slick disingenuousness...some call it lying with a straight face.
used to be totally against the "cashless society" believing it to be, as Alex Jones describes it, a "control grid" and privacy killer. I would preach against customer loyalty cards like the folks over at http://spychips.com.
But then I started participating in the "cashless society" and I started using those customer loyalty cards at the grocery store and guess what? Nothing bad happened! In fact, the "cashless society" has proven to be just what it's promoters claim, faster and more convenient than cash and the fact that I can track my spending through software has helped me manage money a lot more efficiently. All the scaremongering and paranoia over the "cashless society" is really just a bunch of bullshit. In fact, most scaremongering and paranoia are pure bullshit.
A few years ago I didn't really understand what America was all about but I do now. Far from being the "land of the free and home of the brave," America is the land of hype and exaggeration and the home of the peaceful consumer. EVERYTHING in America is blown completely out of proportion - the failures, successes, threats, EVERYTHING. Things are usually never as bad or as good as they're made out to be.
Hype rules the day in America whether it's the "we're #1" narcissism to the idea that Muslim radicals threaten our very survival to the idea that we'll be destroyed by global warming to the way the NFL calls the Superbowl champion the "world's" champion or how the media relentlessly hypes up the trivial.
Once you understand that America is all about money and exaggeration, you'll be as calm as David Carradine on
You may be right, but just because nothing bad is happening today doesn't mean that this technology cannot be abused at some point in the future. If we went to a cashless society, it would be much too easy for someone else to control you. I can see it now. If you get out of line, the government justs seizes your electronic funds, either legally via court order or illegally by some method of hacking. yeah, I know. the government would NEVER do anything illegally. /sarcasm.
I hear the same argument with people about On-Star. Sure, it's seems like a great thing. Who wouldn't want to be able to contact someone immedietely if they were in an accident or if they locked their keys in their car. None of the good negates the potential for abuse, such as the government using it to unknowingly track you for whatever reason they feel is justified. And the idea that you don't have anything to worry about if you've done nothing or have nothing to hide doesn't fly either. Ask those tens of thousands of completely innocent men and women on the government no-fly zone, or better yet, ask the completely innocent men or women who have the same name as those on the no fly zone.
You may call it paranoioa to think this way, but I call it being safe rather than being sorry. Was it paranoia when people were warning of the abuses that would happen if the 16th amendment were passed? From the tax situation we are in today, I would say no, it wasn't paranoia at all, it was insight. Was it paranoia when people warned of the dangers of having a federal reserve? Considering that the dollar has lost approximatley 96% of its value since the creation of the federal reserve, I would say no it wasn't paranoia at all. Everything the detractors said would happen has happened. Was it paranoia when people warned of the abuses of the social security card? Once again, no it wasn't. The SS card is now being used as a quasi-mandatory ID not only by the government but by private businesses. People are having their identity stolen on a daily basis.
I have no problem with the voluntary use of a cashless society, just as I have no problem with a voluntary on-star system. However, I have a huge problem with the government requiring me to participate in a cashless society and I will have a huge problem with the government if they attempt to make it mandatory to have an on-star type system in my vehicle. IMHO, the government has and will abuse everything it touches. It is the nature of government because government is run by man and men are either corrupt or corruptable.
I would challenge you to to quote me but you're not up to it.
Good move, never challenge them to quote you. It's just to easy to type your screen name, "liberty post" and a few keywords into a search engine. A "search proof" name like "Tide" or "Dove for Dishes" won't save you if they include "liberty post" in the search string.
#373. To: Hayek Fan, Neil McIver, PercyDovetonsils, Cynicom, farmfriend, Phant2000, Original_Intent, JCHarris, FormerLurker, WTF?, freedompatriot32, wudidiz, Zipporah, ALL (#347)
If you ask me, instead of leaving LP, Neil should have stayed
and kicked her ass to the curb. If that wasn't possible he should have refused
to allow her to use his software so that she would have had no choice but to
shut her fat ass down.
Well said. I share the same
sentiment. An observation I've made, as has Percy, and that is her bi-polarism
and/or seeming split personality. What is with the binary posts? One day she's
an anti-government American patriot and the next a warmongering Israelfirst
bot? I've wondered, like Cynicom, if there is more than one person using that
Goldi Lox ID to moderate LP.
You may be right, but just because nothing bad is happening today doesn't mean that this technology cannot be abused at some point in the future. If we went to a cashless society, it would be much too easy for someone else to control you. I can see it now. If you get out of line, the government justs seizes your electronic funds, either legally via court order or illegally by some method of hacking. yeah, I know. the government would NEVER do anything illegally. /sarcasm.
Unless you're keeping your money in cash somewhere, they can do that now if they wanted. The question is, why would they want to do that? I think the government's primary concern is to make sure people keep paying their taxes and engage in consumerism.
I hear the same argument with people about On-Star. Sure, it's seems like a great thing. Who wouldn't want to be able to contact someone immedietely if they were in an accident or if they locked their keys in their car. None of the good negates the potential for abuse, such as the government using it to unknowingly track you for whatever reason they feel is justified. And the idea that you don't have anything to worry about if you've done nothing or have nothing to hide doesn't fly either. Ask those tens of thousands of completely innocent men and women on the government no-fly zone, or better yet, ask the completely innocent men or women who have the same name as those on the no fly zone.
That's a fair point although I'd bet that that most on the no-fly list aren't there because they were targeted personally but because of bureaucratic mistakes, incompetence and mis-management. And keep in mind there is a procedure to remedy the situation.
You may call it paranoioa to think this way, but I call it being safe rather than being sorry. Was it paranoia when people were warning of the abuses that would happen if the 16th amendment were passed? From the tax situation we are in today, I would say no, it wasn't paranoia at all, it was insight. Was it paranoia when people warned of the dangers of having a federal reserve? Considering that the dollar has lost approximatley 96% of its value since the creation of the federal reserve, I would say no it wasn't paranoia at all. Everything the detractors said would happen has happened. Was it paranoia when people warned of the abuses of the social security card? Once again, no it wasn't. The SS card is now being used as a quasi-mandatory ID not only by the government but by private businesses. People are having their identity stolen on a daily basis.
I say the weakness of the SSN as a personal identifier is another good reason for a national ID card system.
I have no problem with the voluntary use of a cashless society, just as I have no problem with a voluntary on-star system. However, I have a huge problem with the government requiring me to participate in a cashless society and I will have a huge problem with the government if they attempt to make it mandatory to have an on-star type system in my vehicle. IMHO, the government has and will abuse everything it touches. It is the nature of government because government is run by man and men are either corrupt or corruptable.
I seriously doubt that the government will try to force America into a cashless society especially since it's private industry and average citizens leading the way. I would also say that it's more likely that a "black box" device will be mandatory in all cars, not an "OnStar" type system.
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