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Title: Weeds Control Without Poisons
Source: ACRES USA
URL Source: http://acresusa.com
Published: Jun 9, 2007
Author: Charles Walters
Post Date: 2007-06-09 17:59:53 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1436
Comments: 158

Charles Walters, founder and long-time editor of ACRES USA, the monthly journal of eco-agriculture, has revised and expanded his now classic text on the secrets that weeds reveal to us about our soil. For a thorough undersanding of the conditions that produce certain weeds, you simply can't find a better source than this one -- certainly not one as entertaining, as full of anecdotes and home-spun common sense.

The book is a treasury of knowledge, exploring the workings of soil eco-systems through the findings of such giants as William A. Albrecht, C.J. Fenzau and Philip S. Callahan. It contains a lifetime of collected wisdom that teaches us how to udnerstand and thereby control the growth of countless weed species, as well as why there is an absolute necessity for a more holistic, eco-centered perspective in agricultrue today.

In Weeds, Control Without Poisons, Walters explains what fifty years of deadly chemicals have done to our soils and our bodies, demonstrating once and for all that the stuff simply doen't workl in any long-term, coomon-sense agricultural system. He goes on to tell us what will work, and he tells it with precision and clarity in a book as full of human warmth as sound soil science. Charles Walters is the author of dozens of books and thousands of articles on the technologies of eco-agriculture.

In this book learn;

What do weeds tell us about the soil?

What can you do about row-crop weeds?

Is there any role for herbicides in agriculture?


We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb


FOR THE RECORD

The so-called conventional agricultural system of the United States is falling apart at the seams. Its intellectual advisers in the univesity hardly know what is going on in the countryside. Their advice has created extensive soil erosion, universal environmental contamination, and a degeneration of the health of almost every living species on this planet. Public outcry is growing in proportion to its awareness. Politicians are mocking their shared concern in order to sway votes. Legislation to curb or banish the current agricultrual system of toxic warfare on man and nature is becoming more plentiful. Caught in the middle of this political football is the farmer. One by one, his toxic crutches are being eliminated from the market. He is told that he must farm without these ''magic bullets'' which he has become so accustomed to using. This use has been sanctified by constant insistence of the USDA, land grant universities, and Extension personnel. Now, however, he is being told by the politicians that he cannot use these materials anymore, but is not being told by the lords of agriculture what to do or what to use in their place.

The farmer feels lost and frustrated. And he is lost and frustrated until he realizes that the solution to his dilemma rests with his own intuition and common sense. Farming is not a desk job nor the work of a laboratory technician. It is a natural experience. It is an understanding and appreciation for all life on this planet. It is an attitude of living, of peaceful coexistence, not an atitude of kill or be killed or of constant conflict.

The first step in builkding a system without toxic chemical war games with nature is to change your attitude. Become a farmer rather than a miner of the soil. Decide to leave the farm in a better condition when you depart than it was last year or when you started farming. Decide to accept responsibility for the health of this county, yourself, and your family.

Weeds, Control Without Poisons is an original, even though it leans on the scholarship of many in the identification of weeds. It does not pretend to have all the answers, yet it has furnished a beginning in asking the right questions. Many minor weeds still have still to be evaluated, and there can be no doubt tat answers will be forthcoming. As far as the major crop weeds are concerned, this book hints, then sledgehammers the answers into place.

Weed manuals since WWII have simply identified weeds, the implication or actual direction being that use of this or that poison is the only rational advice. Charles Walters questions this, and he has used most of his jounalistic career to gather in support for dealing with weeds without poisons. Hopefully, this little book will be a turning point away from our rush toward perdition.

Arden Andersen, author of The Anatomy of Life and Energy in Agriculture and Science in Agriculture


PREFACE

Some few years ago, I tripped to Houston, Texas and environs for the purpose of visiting a rice producer who, once upon a time, knew my old mentor, William A. Albrecht, then emeritus professor, Department of Soils, University of Missouri. This rice grower had a small plane on his farm for the purpose of monitoring his crop -- and, not least, the weeds. He had a small laboratory on his farm because he had been trained to compound things like DDT, and -- also once upoin a time -- he chest-thumped this fact to the good professor Albrecht, adding that ''this stuff works.''

Albrecht responded, 'Yes, it works today and it will probably work ten years from now.' And with that Albrecht shot a finger into the rice grower's chest. 'But ten years from now you won't know where it is!' Much of the toxic genetic chemistry spilled into agriculture over the past several decades is still out there. I know where some of it is. Richard L. Penny is an Iowa scientist who spent several years at the U.S. South Pole station. He took the biopsy specimens that revealed DDT in the fatty tissue of all the examined penguins. Appartently this toxin has established itself in the migratory food chain that travels to the South Pole and back. .....


This is an excellent book, and I recommend it for everyone that has any interest in understanding food, and how it affects our lives. There can be no doubt, after you read it, that America has been on a very dangerous path for a long time, and, it is time to correct that path, RIGHT NOW!

As an example of what this book shows; Redroot pigweed ... best possible laboratory analysis for phosphate availablility on a daily meal basis.

... quackgrass ... have herbal properties useful in treating urinary disorders. Decay systems are at fault when this weed appears. Excess aluminum also is a problem for the crop, albeit nor for quackgrass which can live with it.

And on and on through countless different weeds, using them as a teaching tool to learn what the soil is lacking, or, has to much of. Amazing the knowledge that we should be using can be this simple.....

And this book is much more than that as well. It is a look at farm life, and at OUR responsibilities, as we furnish the power behind those who grow things for us through the decisions that we make on a daily basis.

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#89. To: farmfriend (#85)

Don't ask me to explain bagels and lox, I can't.

Look at the definitions of meat and milk.

You must admit a fresh bagel with Scottish Lox (not the gravlox crap) , a thin slice of sweet onion, a slice of tomato and cream cheese studded with capers...

ummmm time for dinner!!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: JCHarris (#89)

Look at the definitions of meat and milk.

Hey, I'm Christian. If it doesn't come out of a teat it isn’t dairy.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: JCHarris (#86)

I'm eligible for adoption.

You would think that you were a deprived adoptee, no pork, shellfish, ect.....

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: JCHarris (#89)

You must admit a fresh bagel with Scottish Lox (not the gravlox crap) , a thin slice of sweet onion, a slice of tomato and cream cheese studded with capers...

Ok now you are going to have to feed me.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: ladybug (#88)

And how is trichinosis broken down???

1. Virtually non-existant in the US unless you are a globalist middleman and get the crap from China or Mexico.

2. Trichinosis is not one of the world's dread diseases anyway

3. Common cooking completely kills the parasite

4. the parasite's presence is clearly visible as "spotted pork" ( now when did you see polka dot pork? LOL)

then like any protein...

cooked trichina => => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes)+ amino acids

YUMMY !!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: innieway. everyone here (#74)

And we're supposed to know all of them - "ignorance of the law is no excuse"... Hell, I can't even purport to know all the "laws" in the stinking Transportation Code; let alone the literal volumes of nonsense that make up the rest of "law".

I've concluded that anyone who wants to be in politics - shouldn't be there.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   15:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: ladybug (#91)

You would think that you were a deprived adoptee, no pork, shellfish, ect.....

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug

Hey !! Read on ! I am not the one doing without! My response was "malarky".

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:38:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: JCHarris (#93)

What killed me was the story about Orthodox Jews getting parasites from pork. Their immigrant house keepers were not washing their hands. Yuck! Apparently it's becoming a major problem.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: JCHarris (#95)

Hey !! Read on ! I am not the one doing without! My response was "malarky".

???

OK you were defending the eating of ALL foods, even the ones that innieway will not eat such as those defined in the food laws.

If he were to adopt you, that would mean that you would do without those foods. For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   15:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: ladybug (#97)

For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.

This true. Two sets of everything.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: ladybug (#97)

If he were to adopt you, that would mean that you would do without those foods. For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.

Fresh churned buttermilk, buttermilk pie and some great chevre could make me forget the steak!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: farmfriend (#98)

This true. Two sets of everything.

It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend

I know, I have a mother....and it is ridiculous. I have dined at dairy bars too. I have sat seder. However, I do like the sable (-:....and the whitefish salad from Tenefly NY, down at the deli next to the train track, four blocks down from Ozzie and Harriet Nelson's old home ! LOL One more tribal rite of exclusiveness and sacrifice to demonstrate obedience and membership. Spare me. Ostentation for the sake of ostentation and obedience and membership.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: innieway (#75)

You seem to have a habit of doing the same thing!

Yeah.... if I just wasn't so shy about it....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-10   15:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: ladybug (#97)

OK you were defending the eating of ALL foods

and still do! (-:

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: JCHarris. everyone (#99)

Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk - most of my grocers have gone to the "low-fat" crap - which doesn't cook up in recipes quite so well.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   15:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: lodwick (#103)

I have a buttermilk pie recipe.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: lodwick (#103)

Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk - most of my grocers have gone to the "low-fat" crap - which doesn't cook up in recipes quite so well.

Do you remember that fresh-churned on the front veranda buttermilk that was so tart yet smooth and thirst-quenching? and when the glass was emptied the bold stripes went all the way down the glass on the inside from the milk?

regular unchurned milk did not do that

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   15:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: JCHarris (#100)

Ostentation for the sake of ostentation and obedience and membership.

Exactly!


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   15:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: farmfriend, JCHarris, food lovers here (#104)

All this food talk is making me hungry.

My dad could make a meal of fresh buttermilk with cornbread crumbled in it, with sides of green onions and sliced tomatoes.

Now, I'm really hungry...

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   16:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lodwick (#107)

My dad could make a meal of fresh buttermilk with cornbread crumbled in it, with sides of green onions and sliced tomatoes.

Now, I'm really hungry...

You are a Southerner.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   16:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: JCHarris, lodwick, farmfriend, lady bug, all (#68)

Not by my science.

You should not go there, JC. It does not matter what is in the food you eat (with the exception that it DOES MATTER when critical substances are missing!); the only thing that matters is if what is in the food is usuable by your body.

Please, permit me to give you a couple of examples.

Calcium. We are constantly being told that milk is a great source of calcium, and esp. for older women, but is this true? No, it is not, because the calcium in milk is in a form that is not usuable AS CALCIUM in your body. In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body. And, this makes the milk from this source damaging, ESP. for older women.

Iron. Does it matter what form iron is in when you eat it? Silly question, actually, or anyone could simply scrape some rust off of some iron and ingest it. Or is it so silly, because this is more or less what happens when you take any of the major brands of vitamins, because the form of iron that they use is not much different from this extreme example, and, the same thing holds true for any of the vitamins and minerals in major brands of vitamins; none of them are bioavailable, and they are not usuable in your body.

Last one; beef and pork. What is the difference? Beef comes from an animal that has 4 stomachs, and which digests their food three times. From this, they create a meat that is formed from a single enzyme, AND WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO BE DIGESTED IN OUR STOMACHS, and, it will not support parasites. And pork? Pork is a complex meat, which you can not digest no matter how hard you try. In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines; odds are pretty good that this 'food' is made up of pork, shell fish, sugar, and other forms of non-food that people eat. Pork also supports a horde of different parasites, and these can be seen through a microscope, and, sorry, but cooking does not kill anywhere near all of them. In addition, pork carries in excess of 900 different viruses, and, as has been discovered in recent years, pigs, AND ONLY PIGS OF ALL ANIMALS ON EARTH, have an organ in their throats that can change any virus into some other virus; this is just in case they are short of one or the other of the 900 they carry!

So there is a lot more to this than just saying something that you are going to put into your mouth has this or that in it; first thing is, is what is in the food good for you, and, then, CAN YOU USE WHAT IS THERE. That, my friend, is the secret.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-10   16:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: richard9151 (#109)

In fact, studies show

I would like to see some of those studies.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   16:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: JCHarris (#108)

You are a Southerner.

Texan all my life.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   17:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: richard9151 (#109)

You're right - if it's not digestible/absorbable - it's not useful to us, as I'm finding out by working with a nutritionist on all our herbs and supplements.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   17:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: richard9151 (#109) (Edited)

I eat pork very very rarely and now I know why....Eewwwww!!!!! [Lamb/mutton is even grosser except it also tastes like s**t!]

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-06-10   17:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: IndieTX (#113)

Damn.

You must have had a bad batch of lamb - properly done, a rack of lamb is heaven.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   17:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: richard9151 (#109)

Calcium. We are constantly being told that milk is a great source of calcium, and esp. for older women, but is this true? No, it is not, because the calcium in milk is in a form that is not usuable AS CALCIUM in your body. In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body. And, this makes the milk from this source damaging, ESP. for older women.

Hold on new friend !!

Conjugated Ca++ as in milk is in my experience far more easily utilized than unconjugated Ca++.

Unconjugated Ca++ as in a bag of limestone is the one essentially useless as you poop out 99.99% of it!

Aragonite from oyster shells is even worse although the formula is the same ( CaCo3) but it has a different lattice structure.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   17:55:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: richard9151 (#109)

In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body.

I have a fairly wide and deep scholastic and working knowledge of chemistry and biochemistry and I would sure like to see this reaction!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   17:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: farmfriend (#110)

I would like to see some of those studies.

http://www .rxalternativemedicine.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm

Milk is a highly touted source of calcium. The problem the dairy industry fails to mention is that the calcium in milk is not very bioavailable. This means you can drink it but your body may not absorb it. Another problem with milk as a calcium source is its high protein content. High protein foods such as milk tend to actually pull calcium from your bones.

http://healthylivingtalk.com/index.cfm?commentID=32

For years, I've studied the available research on milk and other dairy products and have concluded that milk, especially in it's current form, is not an essential part of a healthy diet that I would recommend, and can actually be harmful to your health. ...

...Now comes evidence that the calcium benefit the dairy industry claims is vital to growing children... well, really isn't. In one of the most comprehensive review of over 27 studies looking into the benefits of calcium from milk sources found that only three out of the 27 studies found any benefit, and very little benefit at that. Here's part of the article:

This should get you started. I would have put up more but my wife is waiting for me!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-10   18:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: richard9151 (#109)

Iron. Does it matter what form iron is in when you eat it? Silly question, actually, or anyone could simply scrape some rust off of some iron and ingest it. Or is it so silly, because this is more or less what happens when you take any of the major brands of vitamins, because the form of iron that they use is not much different from this extreme example, and, the same thing holds true for any of the vitamins and minerals in major brands of vitamins; none of them are bioavailable, and they are not usuable in your body.

Sorry new friend, Fe in "vitamins" is Fe++ and not the Fe+++ in iron (III) oxide , or rust.

Besides, if you are a guy you have too much iron anyway.

If you are a lady, Ca++ conjugated is for you and you will still poop out 99.999% ! Milk is best but the real problem is hormonal control of enzymes responsible for maintaining the calcium as calcium phosphate in bones instead of scavenging Ca++ from the calcium phosphate matrix.

In females the issue is far more complex than gulping a handful of overpriced and virtually useless oyster shell tabs every morning.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: richard9151 (#109)

What is the difference? Beef comes from an animal that has 4 stomachs, and which digests their food three times. From this, they create a meat that is formed from a single enzyme, AND WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO BE DIGESTED IN OUR STOMACHS, and, it will not support parasites.

ROTFLMAO...what a crock ! Who told you that one?

"Gastrointestinal nematodes (GIN) are a major health and economic risk factor in ruminant production in organic and conventional farms (Thamsborg et al., 1999)."

"Cattle can be a host for the Taenia saginata infection which presents as a tapeworm in humans."

"Liver fluke, or varying degrees of pathology attributable to Fasciola hepatica, were present in 65% of the livers. The results of this study extend those of previous workers, which were largely limited to dairy cows alone and which focussed on gastrointestinal nematodes and did not include simultaneous infections with lungworm and liver fluke."

"Trypanosoma brucei is the hemoflagellate that causes sleeping sickness. It is spread by the bite of the tsetse fly, which transfers the organism from alternate host such as the cow. "

"Taenia sp., the tapeworms or cestodes, are consummate examples of parasitism. Their bodies are reduced to mostly reproductive organs. The "head" of the worm, the scolex, holds on to the intestinal wall. Behind the "head" are proglottids, which are mainly composed of ovaries and testes. The most mature proglottids are found near the "tail" of the flattened worm; these release eggs. Larvae may migrate to other tissues and form cysts. They may interfere with the function of the affected organ if the parasite load is high.

Humans acquire the beef tapeworms by consuming undercooked beef contaminated by encysted Taenia saginata larvae, but not by consumption of their eggs."

"Fasciola hepatica, the liver fluke, has a complex life cycle, requiring water snails as intermediate hosts. Humans and other mammals acquire the organism by eating cyst-contaminated water plants. Watercress is a common source of the parasite for humans. The cysts release immature flukes that migrate to the liver and gallbladder. A high load of the parasite may obstruct the biliary tract. Consumption of undercooked beef is another source of human infection."

Plus about 40 more (-:

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

People used to think dandelions were weeds.

I read they are good to eat.

I've been meaning to look into that.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   18:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: JCHarris (#115)

Carbon-carbon single bond: reactive.

Carbon=carbon double bond: very reactive.

Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-06-10   18:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: lodwick (#112)

working with a nutritionist on all our herbs and supplements.

Waste of good money....

but not as bad for you as a gambling addiction , perhaps.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: IndieTX (#121)

Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!

Produces less water in the reaction thus more concentrated Heat from actually two degrees saturation less energy.

Therefore ethyne, or acetylene as it is commonly called, is used for welding instead of the far more energetic ethane or ethene.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: JCHarris (#50)

Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.

Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   18:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: richard9151, JCHarris (#54)

Daniel Boone is a good example; he lived to 89. In fact, if you subtract out those who died from such mundane things as arrows, bullet and knife wounds etc., they had a life expectency not much different from ours.

Looks like I asked my question too soon..

I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   19:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Diana (#125)

I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.

People think vaccines saved children. They didn't. Mostly it was better sewage treatment. After the introduction of vaccines of vaccines there was no drop in the death rate.

The rumor is that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet. If he did, he benefited mankind far more than the introduction of vaccinations.

Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-06-10   19:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: richard9151 (#117)

No no no. These studies.

In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   19:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Diana (#124)

Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

Correct. As far as I can tell.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   19:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Diana (#124)

1. Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

2. It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

1. yes , partially but see #2 (also death in childbirth)

2.A. It wasn't. Unsteady food supply, borderline malnutrition, body-wearing work, parasites from food and water, a grain husk in the intestine !! ,predators, cold, disease, a cut, a splinter, a hair thin fishbone in the throat ( fatal), an absessed tooth, worn out teeth...any weakness and you were a targe...blindness from looking at the sun...simple things like this reduced the adult life expectancy to less than half of today for the greatest expanse of human existence .

Utopia never existed despite Rousseau's and Greenpeace's claims.

2.B. That said, the maximun age has not changed one day. SOME old people then reached the same advanced years as SOME old people today...no more, no less. All that POTENTIAL (and limit) is hard wired and is as of right now unchangeable. Some rich people decided about two years ago to engage in genetic engineering to increase the length of their telomeres by inhibition of a telomerase because as you age and near death your telomeres are incrementally degraded. These people died faster and soon this little search for eternity over all was discontinued. True story.

Some will fiddle and fudge and argue about 24 months etc and the miracle of modern medicine and vitamin supplements making you live forever and semantics ... poppycock.... 1,2,3 are the picture.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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