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Title: Weeds Control Without Poisons
Source: ACRES USA
URL Source: http://acresusa.com
Published: Jun 9, 2007
Author: Charles Walters
Post Date: 2007-06-09 17:59:53 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1387
Comments: 158

Charles Walters, founder and long-time editor of ACRES USA, the monthly journal of eco-agriculture, has revised and expanded his now classic text on the secrets that weeds reveal to us about our soil. For a thorough undersanding of the conditions that produce certain weeds, you simply can't find a better source than this one -- certainly not one as entertaining, as full of anecdotes and home-spun common sense.

The book is a treasury of knowledge, exploring the workings of soil eco-systems through the findings of such giants as William A. Albrecht, C.J. Fenzau and Philip S. Callahan. It contains a lifetime of collected wisdom that teaches us how to udnerstand and thereby control the growth of countless weed species, as well as why there is an absolute necessity for a more holistic, eco-centered perspective in agricultrue today.

In Weeds, Control Without Poisons, Walters explains what fifty years of deadly chemicals have done to our soils and our bodies, demonstrating once and for all that the stuff simply doen't workl in any long-term, coomon-sense agricultural system. He goes on to tell us what will work, and he tells it with precision and clarity in a book as full of human warmth as sound soil science. Charles Walters is the author of dozens of books and thousands of articles on the technologies of eco-agriculture.

In this book learn;

What do weeds tell us about the soil?

What can you do about row-crop weeds?

Is there any role for herbicides in agriculture?


We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb


FOR THE RECORD

The so-called conventional agricultural system of the United States is falling apart at the seams. Its intellectual advisers in the univesity hardly know what is going on in the countryside. Their advice has created extensive soil erosion, universal environmental contamination, and a degeneration of the health of almost every living species on this planet. Public outcry is growing in proportion to its awareness. Politicians are mocking their shared concern in order to sway votes. Legislation to curb or banish the current agricultrual system of toxic warfare on man and nature is becoming more plentiful. Caught in the middle of this political football is the farmer. One by one, his toxic crutches are being eliminated from the market. He is told that he must farm without these ''magic bullets'' which he has become so accustomed to using. This use has been sanctified by constant insistence of the USDA, land grant universities, and Extension personnel. Now, however, he is being told by the politicians that he cannot use these materials anymore, but is not being told by the lords of agriculture what to do or what to use in their place.

The farmer feels lost and frustrated. And he is lost and frustrated until he realizes that the solution to his dilemma rests with his own intuition and common sense. Farming is not a desk job nor the work of a laboratory technician. It is a natural experience. It is an understanding and appreciation for all life on this planet. It is an attitude of living, of peaceful coexistence, not an atitude of kill or be killed or of constant conflict.

The first step in builkding a system without toxic chemical war games with nature is to change your attitude. Become a farmer rather than a miner of the soil. Decide to leave the farm in a better condition when you depart than it was last year or when you started farming. Decide to accept responsibility for the health of this county, yourself, and your family.

Weeds, Control Without Poisons is an original, even though it leans on the scholarship of many in the identification of weeds. It does not pretend to have all the answers, yet it has furnished a beginning in asking the right questions. Many minor weeds still have still to be evaluated, and there can be no doubt tat answers will be forthcoming. As far as the major crop weeds are concerned, this book hints, then sledgehammers the answers into place.

Weed manuals since WWII have simply identified weeds, the implication or actual direction being that use of this or that poison is the only rational advice. Charles Walters questions this, and he has used most of his jounalistic career to gather in support for dealing with weeds without poisons. Hopefully, this little book will be a turning point away from our rush toward perdition.

Arden Andersen, author of The Anatomy of Life and Energy in Agriculture and Science in Agriculture


PREFACE

Some few years ago, I tripped to Houston, Texas and environs for the purpose of visiting a rice producer who, once upon a time, knew my old mentor, William A. Albrecht, then emeritus professor, Department of Soils, University of Missouri. This rice grower had a small plane on his farm for the purpose of monitoring his crop -- and, not least, the weeds. He had a small laboratory on his farm because he had been trained to compound things like DDT, and -- also once upoin a time -- he chest-thumped this fact to the good professor Albrecht, adding that ''this stuff works.''

Albrecht responded, 'Yes, it works today and it will probably work ten years from now.' And with that Albrecht shot a finger into the rice grower's chest. 'But ten years from now you won't know where it is!' Much of the toxic genetic chemistry spilled into agriculture over the past several decades is still out there. I know where some of it is. Richard L. Penny is an Iowa scientist who spent several years at the U.S. South Pole station. He took the biopsy specimens that revealed DDT in the fatty tissue of all the examined penguins. Appartently this toxin has established itself in the migratory food chain that travels to the South Pole and back. .....


This is an excellent book, and I recommend it for everyone that has any interest in understanding food, and how it affects our lives. There can be no doubt, after you read it, that America has been on a very dangerous path for a long time, and, it is time to correct that path, RIGHT NOW!

As an example of what this book shows; Redroot pigweed ... best possible laboratory analysis for phosphate availablility on a daily meal basis.

... quackgrass ... have herbal properties useful in treating urinary disorders. Decay systems are at fault when this weed appears. Excess aluminum also is a problem for the crop, albeit nor for quackgrass which can live with it.

And on and on through countless different weeds, using them as a teaching tool to learn what the soil is lacking, or, has to much of. Amazing the knowledge that we should be using can be this simple.....

And this book is much more than that as well. It is a look at farm life, and at OUR responsibilities, as we furnish the power behind those who grow things for us through the decisions that we make on a daily basis.

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#118. To: richard9151 (#109)

Iron. Does it matter what form iron is in when you eat it? Silly question, actually, or anyone could simply scrape some rust off of some iron and ingest it. Or is it so silly, because this is more or less what happens when you take any of the major brands of vitamins, because the form of iron that they use is not much different from this extreme example, and, the same thing holds true for any of the vitamins and minerals in major brands of vitamins; none of them are bioavailable, and they are not usuable in your body.

Sorry new friend, Fe in "vitamins" is Fe++ and not the Fe+++ in iron (III) oxide , or rust.

Besides, if you are a guy you have too much iron anyway.

If you are a lady, Ca++ conjugated is for you and you will still poop out 99.999% ! Milk is best but the real problem is hormonal control of enzymes responsible for maintaining the calcium as calcium phosphate in bones instead of scavenging Ca++ from the calcium phosphate matrix.

In females the issue is far more complex than gulping a handful of overpriced and virtually useless oyster shell tabs every morning.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: richard9151 (#109)

What is the difference? Beef comes from an animal that has 4 stomachs, and which digests their food three times. From this, they create a meat that is formed from a single enzyme, AND WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO BE DIGESTED IN OUR STOMACHS, and, it will not support parasites.

ROTFLMAO...what a crock ! Who told you that one?

"Gastrointestinal nematodes (GIN) are a major health and economic risk factor in ruminant production in organic and conventional farms (Thamsborg et al., 1999)."

"Cattle can be a host for the Taenia saginata infection which presents as a tapeworm in humans."

"Liver fluke, or varying degrees of pathology attributable to Fasciola hepatica, were present in 65% of the livers. The results of this study extend those of previous workers, which were largely limited to dairy cows alone and which focussed on gastrointestinal nematodes and did not include simultaneous infections with lungworm and liver fluke."

"Trypanosoma brucei is the hemoflagellate that causes sleeping sickness. It is spread by the bite of the tsetse fly, which transfers the organism from alternate host such as the cow. "

"Taenia sp., the tapeworms or cestodes, are consummate examples of parasitism. Their bodies are reduced to mostly reproductive organs. The "head" of the worm, the scolex, holds on to the intestinal wall. Behind the "head" are proglottids, which are mainly composed of ovaries and testes. The most mature proglottids are found near the "tail" of the flattened worm; these release eggs. Larvae may migrate to other tissues and form cysts. They may interfere with the function of the affected organ if the parasite load is high.

Humans acquire the beef tapeworms by consuming undercooked beef contaminated by encysted Taenia saginata larvae, but not by consumption of their eggs."

"Fasciola hepatica, the liver fluke, has a complex life cycle, requiring water snails as intermediate hosts. Humans and other mammals acquire the organism by eating cyst-contaminated water plants. Watercress is a common source of the parasite for humans. The cysts release immature flukes that migrate to the liver and gallbladder. A high load of the parasite may obstruct the biliary tract. Consumption of undercooked beef is another source of human infection."

Plus about 40 more (-:

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

People used to think dandelions were weeds.

I read they are good to eat.

I've been meaning to look into that.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   18:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: JCHarris (#115)

Carbon-carbon single bond: reactive.

Carbon=carbon double bond: very reactive.

Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2007-06-10   18:32:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: lodwick (#112)

working with a nutritionist on all our herbs and supplements.

Waste of good money....

but not as bad for you as a gambling addiction , perhaps.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: IndieTX (#121)

Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!

Produces less water in the reaction thus more concentrated Heat from actually two degrees saturation less energy.

Therefore ethyne, or acetylene as it is commonly called, is used for welding instead of the far more energetic ethane or ethene.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   18:40:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: JCHarris (#50)

Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.

Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   18:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: richard9151, JCHarris (#54)

Daniel Boone is a good example; he lived to 89. In fact, if you subtract out those who died from such mundane things as arrows, bullet and knife wounds etc., they had a life expectency not much different from ours.

Looks like I asked my question too soon..

I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   19:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Diana (#125)

I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.

People think vaccines saved children. They didn't. Mostly it was better sewage treatment. After the introduction of vaccines of vaccines there was no drop in the death rate.

The rumor is that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet. If he did, he benefited mankind far more than the introduction of vaccinations.

Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-06-10   19:18:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: richard9151 (#117)

No no no. These studies.

In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   19:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Diana (#124)

Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

Correct. As far as I can tell.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   19:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Diana (#124)

1. Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?

2. It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.

1. yes , partially but see #2 (also death in childbirth)

2.A. It wasn't. Unsteady food supply, borderline malnutrition, body-wearing work, parasites from food and water, a grain husk in the intestine !! ,predators, cold, disease, a cut, a splinter, a hair thin fishbone in the throat ( fatal), an absessed tooth, worn out teeth...any weakness and you were a targe...blindness from looking at the sun...simple things like this reduced the adult life expectancy to less than half of today for the greatest expanse of human existence .

Utopia never existed despite Rousseau's and Greenpeace's claims.

2.B. That said, the maximun age has not changed one day. SOME old people then reached the same advanced years as SOME old people today...no more, no less. All that POTENTIAL (and limit) is hard wired and is as of right now unchangeable. Some rich people decided about two years ago to engage in genetic engineering to increase the length of their telomeres by inhibition of a telomerase because as you age and near death your telomeres are incrementally degraded. These people died faster and soon this little search for eternity over all was discontinued. True story.

Some will fiddle and fudge and argue about 24 months etc and the miracle of modern medicine and vitamin supplements making you live forever and semantics ... poppycock.... 1,2,3 are the picture.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: YertleTurtle, Diana (#126)

People think vaccines saved children. They didn't. Mostly it was better sewage treatment. After the introduction of vaccines of vaccines there was no drop in the death rate.

The rumor is that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet. If he did, he benefited mankind far more than the introduction of vaccinations.

That's surprising because the London sewerage system was functioning and child death was still high until vaccination in its myriad forms was used and used quite successfully. Ditto for American cities.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: JCHarris, YertleTurtle, Diana (#130)

Right, the flush toilet really help get rid of polio.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   19:40:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: YertleTurtle (#126)

Pardon...saw your page...you were a precious baby !!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: farmfriend, Diana, Yertle Turtle (#131)

Chlorination, not the sewerage system, radically attenuated cholera.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: All (#133)

Chlorination, not the sewerage system, radically attenuated cholera.

and gave us myriad chlorinated hydrocarbons which in daily large doses are not good for us...

these are created when a "Water Authority" uses the cheap way and takes gunky water and hits it with a big blast of Cl2 which will react within the confines of the pipeline before reaching users, but creates chlorinated hydrocarbons galore...

good city systems gross filter, aerate, precipitate, fine filter, test then minimally chlorinate...

the only two cities I KNOW to do this are Los Angeles, CA and Danville, VA and regretfully I have never had access to either of those waters for taste-testing.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   19:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: JCHarris (#130)

That's surprising because the London sewerage system was functioning

Sure it was.

Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-06-10   20:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: farmfriend (#131)

Right, the flush toilet really help get rid of polio.

Polio was successfully treated with Vitamin C, and the cure rate was higher than the vaccination.

Please, I know what I'm talking about. I've been studying this stuff for decades, and comments like yours only make you look silly.

Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-06-10   20:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: YertleTurtle (#136)

and comments like yours only make you look silly.

Sorry you think sarcasm is silly.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   20:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: YertleTurtle (#136)

Polio was successfully treated with Vitamin C

ROTFLMFAO

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   20:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: YertleTurtle (#136)

Please, I know what I'm talking about. I've been studying this stuff for decades, and comments like yours only make you look silly.

You should have studied somewhere other that Dr Schlock's Home Remedy and Panacea Snake Oil Institute of Lower Slobbovia.

YT...you are very callous with those definitive statements and have been the same for years.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   20:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: farmfriend (#137)

Sarcasm is an attempt at passive aggression.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   20:31:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: YertleTurtle (#136)

Venice had a sewerage system and they died like flies !

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   20:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: JCHarris (#99)

Fresh churned buttermilk, buttermilk pie and some great chevre could make me forget the steak!

Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   20:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: ladybug, Diana (#142)

Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug

For you and whatever tribe you belong to....knock yourself out.

The majority of mankind votes with Western enlightenment.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-10   20:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: farmfriend (#98)

This true. Two sets of everything.

Yep, including a second house, I do not wish to have any of the forbidden foods in my home!

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   20:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: lodwick (#103)

Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk

Should be able to find it pretty easy. Raw whole buttermilk at that!!!

http://www.realmilk.com

Or just ask Christine where she is getting her milk (it is off the same website).

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   20:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: richard9151 (#109)

Very well said!

Thank God for raw milk, the very best thing since slice white bread. Oh, Yeah, Raw milk came first and white bread will kill ya! Raw milk is still great!!!

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   20:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: JCHarris (#140)

Sarcasm is an attempt at passive aggression.

It's a form of humor. Interesting that you would say that though.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-10   20:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: JCHarris (#143)

For you and whatever tribe you belong to....knock yourself out.

OK, I am not trying to tell you what to do with your life, only what you would be in for if you were adopted by innieway, which was YOUR idea

Now have I made myself clear, sheesh.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-10   21:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: JCHarris, ladybug (#143)

Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.

I am now cooking an elk steak that one of our grocery stores was selling. I have no idea how it will turn out, I'm a little leery since I've never eaten it, though I eat moose all the time!

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   21:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: JCHarris, lodwick (#129)

It wasn't. Unsteady food supply, borderline malnutrition, body-wearing work, parasites from food and water, a grain husk in the intestine !! ,predators, cold, disease, a cut, a splinter, a hair thin fishbone in the throat ( fatal), an absessed tooth, worn out teeth...any weakness and you were a targe...blindness from looking at the sun...simple things like this reduced the adult life expectancy to less than half of today for the greatest expanse of human existence

Didn't think about that, those factors would indeed have cut the lifespan down some.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-10   21:16:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: ladybug (#145)

Or just ask Christine where she is getting her milk (it is off the same website).

Her guy has a waiting list of over a hundred folks wanting to buy...

He needs many more cows.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-06-10   21:20:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: lodwick (#151)

Her guy has a waiting list of over a hundred folks wanting to buy...

He needs many more cows.

I am glad to hear that people are finally wising up! Maybe you could call him anyway, buttermilk is not the single most popular milk product on the list. I am sure that he may not have butter or milk available to sell, ut buttermilk would be a definite possibility.

Also, go to the website for real milk and look up other producers around you.

I know that here, people want MUCH more of the milk and butter than they want the buttermilk, probably %95 of our buttermilk goes to bottle calves because so few people want it, and those that do do not want large quantities.

One last option, you could always come visit us! I know that it is a bit of a drive for buttermilk, but you have a cooler. Gas is cheap anyway, and you can't beat the hospitality after you arrive!

P.S. We may be getting another cow soon, so there wont be any buttermilk shortage here in the near future.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

ladybug  posted on  2007-06-11   1:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: JCHarris (#119)

"Gastrointestinal nematodes

That may have something to do with why we are not permitted to eat anything from inside of the animal; NO LIVER, NO HEART, NO BLOOD. Never.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-11   11:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: farmfriend (#127)

In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines

Sorry! Thinking milk, ya know....

http://www.sheilashea.com/colon intro.html

Elimination becomes incomplete and waste remains in the intestines. Dehydration and stagnation occur. This matrix creates erratic conditions in the body we call disease. The main dietary offenders are animal products, salt, sugar, flour, chemicals, and drugs. They are lifeless and give no energy to the digestive system.

http://www.relfe.com/colon_clea nsing.html

These problems do not happen by accident. Many of these problems are caused partly or largely by eating and drinking foods and drinks which are not what nature intended we eat and drink. ...

The MOST important cleanse to do is colon cleansing, because if you have a dirty colon with impacted fecal matter, this will create extra toxins which the other organs then have to continually detox.

http://www.healthfree.com/view_newsletter.php?id=124&key=b

When the good bacteria in the small intestine have been killed off, the intestines become impacted with food that the good bacteria did not get a chance to work on. Parasites and bad bacteria and moths can live in the impacted rotting food. Molds like candida can grow and release toxins into the body. The impacted food blocks nutrient flow through the villi.

The impaction is a gradual process and you may not notice it right away. You just start to feel more tired. You may eventually become exhausted, not sleep well and start to crave sugar. Some people use caffeine in the morning and during the day to solve this problem and keep them going. This could be very harmful. The person can become increasingly more exhausted.

http://www.medicinenet.com/intestinal_gas_belching_bloating_flatulence/p age3.htm

or fecal impaction (hardened stool in the rectum) can also obstruct the flow of the intestinal contents and result in distention.

If you wish more, just ask.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-11   11:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: richard9151 (#153)

That may have something to do with why we are not permitted to eat anything from inside of the animal; NO LIVER, NO HEART, NO BLOOD. Never.

Sorry Old Sport. The worms and cysts are in the beef muscle...its called "mealy beef".

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-11   12:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: can of corn (#23)

PING!

It may cost you a few bucks to get educated. The alternative is ignorance. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-06-12   12:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: BTP Holdings (#156)

there's plenty of educatin' to be had

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-12   12:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: can of corn (#157)

Just so happens I disagree with Ron Paul on free trade. It's a bad deal for the U.S. all the way around and only favors corporate profit at the expense of the people. The next step is to turn us all into slaves on the Global Plantation. If that is what you want, you may get your wish. I'll fight them to the death!

Since you obviously have no interest in the resources I have pointed you to and only are interested in posting globalist propaganda, I think there is nothing further we have to discuss.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-06-12   12:58:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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