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Title: Weeds Control Without Poisons
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Published: Jun 9, 2007
Author: Charles Walters
Post Date: 2007-06-09 17:59:53 by richard9151
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Charles Walters, founder and long-time editor of ACRES USA, the monthly journal of eco-agriculture, has revised and expanded his now classic text on the secrets that weeds reveal to us about our soil. For a thorough undersanding of the conditions that produce certain weeds, you simply can't find a better source than this one -- certainly not one as entertaining, as full of anecdotes and home-spun common sense. The book is a treasury of knowledge, exploring the workings of soil eco-systems through the findings of such giants as William A. Albrecht, C.J. Fenzau and Philip S. Callahan. It contains a lifetime of collected wisdom that teaches us how to udnerstand and thereby control the growth of countless weed species, as well as why there is an absolute necessity for a more holistic, eco-centered perspective in agricultrue today. In Weeds, Control Without Poisons, Walters explains what fifty years of deadly chemicals have done to our soils and our bodies, demonstrating once and for all that the stuff simply doen't workl in any long-term, coomon-sense agricultural system. He goes on to tell us what will work, and he tells it with precision and clarity in a book as full of human warmth as sound soil science. Charles Walters is the author of dozens of books and thousands of articles on the technologies of eco-agriculture. In this book learn; What do weeds tell us about the soil? What can you do about row-crop weeds? Is there any role for herbicides in agriculture? We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. Native American Proverb FOR THE RECORD The so-called conventional agricultural system of the United States is falling apart at the seams. Its intellectual advisers in the univesity hardly know what is going on in the countryside. Their advice has created extensive soil erosion, universal environmental contamination, and a degeneration of the health of almost every living species on this planet. Public outcry is growing in proportion to its awareness. Politicians are mocking their shared concern in order to sway votes. Legislation to curb or banish the current agricultrual system of toxic warfare on man and nature is becoming more plentiful. Caught in the middle of this political football is the farmer. One by one, his toxic crutches are being eliminated from the market. He is told that he must farm without these ''magic bullets'' which he has become so accustomed to using. This use has been sanctified by constant insistence of the USDA, land grant universities, and Extension personnel. Now, however, he is being told by the politicians that he cannot use these materials anymore, but is not being told by the lords of agriculture what to do or what to use in their place. The farmer feels lost and frustrated. And he is lost and frustrated until he realizes that the solution to his dilemma rests with his own intuition and common sense. Farming is not a desk job nor the work of a laboratory technician. It is a natural experience. It is an understanding and appreciation for all life on this planet. It is an attitude of living, of peaceful coexistence, not an atitude of kill or be killed or of constant conflict. The first step in builkding a system without toxic chemical war games with nature is to change your attitude. Become a farmer rather than a miner of the soil. Decide to leave the farm in a better condition when you depart than it was last year or when you started farming. Decide to accept responsibility for the health of this county, yourself, and your family. Weeds, Control Without Poisons is an original, even though it leans on the scholarship of many in the identification of weeds. It does not pretend to have all the answers, yet it has furnished a beginning in asking the right questions. Many minor weeds still have still to be evaluated, and there can be no doubt tat answers will be forthcoming. As far as the major crop weeds are concerned, this book hints, then sledgehammers the answers into place. Weed manuals since WWII have simply identified weeds, the implication or actual direction being that use of this or that poison is the only rational advice. Charles Walters questions this, and he has used most of his jounalistic career to gather in support for dealing with weeds without poisons. Hopefully, this little book will be a turning point away from our rush toward perdition. Arden Andersen, author of The Anatomy of Life and Energy in Agriculture and Science in Agriculture PREFACE Some few years ago, I tripped to Houston, Texas and environs for the purpose of visiting a rice producer who, once upon a time, knew my old mentor, William A. Albrecht, then emeritus professor, Department of Soils, University of Missouri. This rice grower had a small plane on his farm for the purpose of monitoring his crop -- and, not least, the weeds. He had a small laboratory on his farm because he had been trained to compound things like DDT, and -- also once upoin a time -- he chest-thumped this fact to the good professor Albrecht, adding that ''this stuff works.'' Albrecht responded, 'Yes, it works today and it will probably work ten years from now.' And with that Albrecht shot a finger into the rice grower's chest. 'But ten years from now you won't know where it is!' Much of the toxic genetic chemistry spilled into agriculture over the past several decades is still out there. I know where some of it is. Richard L. Penny is an Iowa scientist who spent several years at the U.S. South Pole station. He took the biopsy specimens that revealed DDT in the fatty tissue of all the examined penguins. Appartently this toxin has established itself in the migratory food chain that travels to the South Pole and back. ..... This is an excellent book, and I recommend it for everyone that has any interest in understanding food, and how it affects our lives. There can be no doubt, after you read it, that America has been on a very dangerous path for a long time, and, it is time to correct that path, RIGHT NOW! As an example of what this book shows; Redroot pigweed ... best possible laboratory analysis for phosphate availablility on a daily meal basis. ... quackgrass ... have herbal properties useful in treating urinary disorders. Decay systems are at fault when this weed appears. Excess aluminum also is a problem for the crop, albeit nor for quackgrass which can live with it. And on and on through countless different weeds, using them as a teaching tool to learn what the soil is lacking, or, has to much of. Amazing the knowledge that we should be using can be this simple..... And this book is much more than that as well. It is a look at farm life, and at OUR responsibilities, as we furnish the power behind those who grow things for us through the decisions that we make on a daily basis.
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Weeds are just plants we haven't found uses for. People used to think dandelions were weeds. The parts can be used for herbs, wine, and salads. I wouldn't call that a weed.
Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.
Thanks. We took the "easy way out" with big chem, and now we're reaping the deadly harvest.
A weed is any plant somewhere you don't want it. I have two boxes of shallots , garlic and mesclun. I planted French Dandelion, a yummy green raw or as mixed pot greens. They took over the boxes and a hundred yards in every direction. That's the definition of a weed. Ditto: kudzu, Japanese honeysuckle and any incarnation of greenbriar or opoison ivy/oak
You would be very hungry were it not for Big Chem...or the world population...mainly third world....would be one quarter what it is. Take your pick and provide a solution other than Malthusian.
I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Dr. Wambugu. She was very upset with European enviro groups coming down to Africa and telling them they should be growing organically. Her point was that Africa has been using organic agriculture since man first walked upright and they are starving.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
Yu got that right! I was drinking dandelion wine, made by my uncle, when I was 10 years old! Gotta acquire a taste for it though as I remember.... And the salads are good; no acquiring any taste for that!
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement. farmfriend Brilliant observation. No kidding !
Right. And that would not have had anything to do with their government interference and in stealing what they grew now would it..... And I do not care who anyone meets or talks with. It does not make sense to continue to promote toxic solutions to problems that do not exist. And, I am speaking of weeds and the so-called control thereof. Altogether too many of the people that promote such are nothing but shills for corporate insanity.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Try violets. All parts of the violet are edible all year long. Flowers, leaves, stems and roots. I serve them in salads year round just for the guests buzz. Day lilies are also excellent. Fry the unopened buds and early flowers and eat the roots year round. I grow my own mushrooms too. However, all this is either from learned survival skills, interest or hobby. As I said earlier, either embrace the Green Revolution as far as it can go or do away with 75% of the world's population because 3/4 is the excess over carrying capacity without Big Chem. What reasonable and non-hobby options do you see?
I sincerely hope that you don't truly believe that. To cut it short this evening, it would be like saying that Agent Orange was a good thing for the vegetation over-growth in Vietnam, and for other living things that were in-country when it was dispersed.
No actually it didn't. Her main thrust was the sweet potato root that is a staple in her country. It is being attacked by a virus. As crops fail they get roots from friends and relatives spreading the virus. She was trying to genetically engineer the plant to be resistant to the virus. An appropriate use of GMOs if you ask me. I don't think stopping all chemical use is the answer. You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
Okay, kudzu is a weed. Not only a weed, but a monster!
Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.
is a poster over on Liberty Forum.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
Not really !! You take 10,000 in a desert requiring 10000 acres to support 1 family unit....ship in all the free food you can eat by jet....and 5 years later there are 30,000 10 years there are 90,000; 15 years there are 270,000; 20 years there are 810,000; 25 years there are 2,430,000 This scenario exists today. I am not so sure aid to Africa is not cruel. Why? The Green Revolution shipped food into a land that was supposed to hold 20 nomads. Or you have to give them 24,300,000,000 acres all their own. Therein lies the rub and the motivating reason for Darfur et al. ( In addition the southern Sudan is animist and Christian instead of Muslim and the north will not allow that. )
I absolutely know that for a fact. I have no agenda here. This is just pure and simple fact. The US food supply is based on rapid turnover and the foodstocks at any one time, given an instantaneous disruption is between 2 and 6 weeks supply!.
Agent Orange was probably harmless. The chemical was manufactured in Turin Italy and placed in partially empty and unwashed barrels of 2,3,7,8-tetrachloro-dibenzo dioxin in order to maximize profit for the Turin chemical manufacturer. Dioxin is a mammalian poison as the President of Ukraine can attest.
what kind?
That was a quote from you sweetie.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
I have to light the grill so: I grow matsutake, Shiitake Pleurotus ostreatus Polyporus sulphureus ( chicken of the woods) and Stropharius sp and have local collecting stocks of several " Meadow Mushrooms" e.g. campestris Old man of the woods, blewit, Ganoderma sp (for tea), fried chicken mushroom and fairy rings (be careful with those)
oops !
When I go far north I collect all the King boletes I can bring back in August.
The work has been done and the solution is in the literature. This is a matter of choices. Unfortunately, the choices have been made for us by the money power in favor of Toxic Rescue Chemistry, corporate ag, and the selling out of the American economic system for debt and war. UNFORGIVEN The American Econmic System SOLD for Debt and War Hands-On Agronomy using the methods of William A. Albrecht. The Albrecht method is compiled in four volumes. Kinsey's book above covers the basics of soil fertiity using those methods. I currently have Vol. 2 of the Albrecht Papers (a compilation of his work at the University of Missouri), Soil Fertility and Animal Health. The other three volumes are being reprinted, along with the one I have, and should be available soon from AcresUSA. The problem right now is that chemical based inputs have depleted the soils so badly that they are no longer a viable living system. Humus content in many soils is now 2% to 2-1/2% when it should be 5% to 6%. I could go into a more detailed explanation, but as I said, the work has already been done. What this hinges on this is the production of nutrious foods which the current chemical paradigm has no hope of achieving. Here also is an interesting article from the June 2007 issue of AcresUSA. http://www .acresusa.com/toolbox/reprints/June07_CruelWinds.pdf Another book which is essential to seeing how minerals work in plants, animals and humans is Minerals for the Genetic Code.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Poor soil management, I'll bet. But the chemical system has made inroads everywhere, even in China, where the humus content is 1% or less and some topsoil is only one inch deep. China has recognized the problem and has brought a few soil scientists in to help Chinese farmers adopt more productive and nutritious farming practices.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Gee, it's a wonder mankind survived for many thousands of years without Dow and Monsanto and pasteurized milk...
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
Dow, Monsanto, ConAgro are not the long-term fix, they are the short-term (profitable) "solution." We CAN do better.
Makes sense. I don't think what we are doing is right but throwing it all out isn't right either. Finding a better way is always the answer.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
ORGANIC is NOT to blame for soil fertility depletion. There are MANY reasons. A tree may have a taproot which goes many many feet into the ground, yet it gets 95% of it's nutrition from the top 1 foot of soil. I do 100% organic, and have excellent soil fertility. There are ways to do things, and ways NOT to. Plowing under the stalks left from harvest is NOT a good way to build soil fertility. Simply laying them ON TOP of the soil and allowing them to decay there IS. Why did this country have rich fertile soil from the time it was founded up until modern agriculture practices became more commonly in use? Another mistake is one which is common for man in ALL areas - we think the Creator was a dummy who had archaic laws and rules which we need to fix! He gave us "laws" concerning farming practices - and we simply refuse to obey them (well, most folks do anyhow). Things like the Land Sabbaths - most folks would say "What the hell is the "land sabbath?"...
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
A great potion of what farmers are doing will have to be modified to save the soils. Don't miss my comment above.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Not to mention that dandelion leaves are excellent for your liver. Just pick small leaves and toss them into your salad (use small leaves, cause the big ones get too bitter). Around here we have devils claw plants. The seed pods literally wraps around your legs when you are walking through tall grass, they are cool looking pods, but can be painful if you are not wearing tall boots. Most folks around here consider them "just another noxious weed" but the root is excellent in treating arthritis, gout and rheumatism. Many of the "weeds" people work so hard to eradicate from their property are actually healing herbs. If only people would work half that hard to remove allopathic medicine from their lives the world would be a healthier place. :oP
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
One gardeners means of deciding if a plant is a weed or a garden plant is quite simple. Pull on it, if it pulls up easily, it must have been a garden plant.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Can you amplify that information for me?
I didn't say that. Don't twist what I say if you want me to continue to read what you post.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
A full mulch garden is one of the best things to do. But getting that amount of mulch to cover much more than several hundred square feet could be a problem. Spoiled hay is the best source.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Here on our little patch of dirt, we eat quite well without "Big Chem" we have three large garden plots, one is 15,000 sq ft of Blue Hopi corn that is primarily for our dairy cow (who does not get antibiotics or hormones either) the secondary use for this corn is our corn meal, but this is a very minor use as we do not eat any where near as much as the cow does. Our veggies are not as big and beautiful as the GMO/Hybrid/chemical sprayed (we grow all heirloom varieties) and they may even have a few bug bites in them. But we are able to raise more than enough for ourselves, and share a lot with others, and are even talking about selling some or our produce in the future. Our chickens do not eat big chem produced grains either, nor do they get laying mash or any other nasty junk. We have three fully mature laying hens right now and they produce more eggs than we can eat. We also have at least 50 young birds coming up as future layers and for butchering. Our goats are free range, and definitely nothing raised on chemicals. We give them some veggies every now and then, and when we are milking a handful of grain to encourage them to stand still. They provide us with meat and milk at an average cost of no more than $20 per year to keep a dozen goats. Than $20 is well offset when you can easily sell a 6 month old cut billy goat for $90. We have 8 nannies of breeding age right now, and can expect 2-4 kids from each minimum of once, but easily twice per year. I could go on and on, but the point is, anyone who starves because they will not use chemicals has not done their homework, and is not willing to sweat a bit in order to eat.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Altogether too many of the people that promote such are nothing but shills for corporate insanity. HEAR HEAR!!! THREE CHEERS FOR COMMON SENSE!!!!!!
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
That is why you need to preserve genetic diversity in plants. This is same thing that happened with the potato famine in Ireland. Come on people, think a little bit here. What happens when a family inbreeds - children start turning up deformed. Common sense states that diversity is a requirement, not just another option. Another case of people thinking that science knows more than God. Here is a very informative video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4310450826413949175
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
LOL! That is telling it like it is!
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Outstanding! I was getting ready to do another book report for 4um on this book! It is one of the best ever written, if someone wishes to understand what happened to the America we BELIEVED we lived in!
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
There was a post done on 4um yesterday (?) titled Stop the Aid! And it was speaking of Africa, more or less in line with what you were saying. But it was written by a native of africa with excellent points.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
In short, innnieway is talking about mulch, God's natural fertilizer. To begin with, one needs to understand the difference between soil and dirt. Dirt consists of sand, broken rock, and other inorganic debris, while soil may have dirt in it, it is composed chiefly of decomposed (composted) organic materials. Before man started plowing, grasses, forests and vegetation grew up, some was either harvested by man or eaten by animals, then at the end of the season the plants either died down or defoliated, littering the ground with organic debris that then protected the soil from sun and wind for the following season while the buried debris decomposed to form more soil. When this organic material is removed or plowed under, it is placed out of the reach of the plants roots, rendering it useless. When the ground is tilled, plowed, or ripped more than 6 inches deep the natural capillary action of the soil is disrupted and will take more than a season to rebuild, meaning that this patch of ground then needs to be irrigated. On the other hand, if one decides to tear the ground as little as possible, and place as much organic debris ON TOP of the ground you are holding water in the soil where it can be utilized and allowing the natural decomposition of the plants to rebuild the soil. It is really quite simple if you think of the natural chain of events. When a plant grows, it takes nutrition from the soil, so then that nutrition is then stored in the plant, so if you allow dead plants to remain on top of the soil it allows the plant to decompose where next years plants can retrieve the nutrition. There is a great book on the matter called Plowman's Folly, you can read it for free at the following website. "If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Gotta watch all of this at least starting at 3:50 mark. <..>
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Other economic sources include grass clippings (a bagging mower makes this easy) and chopped corn stalks.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Thanks, that's the info I was lookin' for.
Leaves in the fall also if you are near trees.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
If you will pardon me, I need to expand on this, please. For instance; Not really !! This is not correct, but what you posted is true, but you must take that in the context of how the aid to Africa was distributed; always through the hands of those who could help the multi-nationals steal the natural resources of the nation. I.e., the government, or those who would shortly be the government. I hope we are in agreement on this, because there have been books written and films made on the subject. The Green Revolution I wonder..... do you understand the Green Revolution? Let me explain.... You take good farm land, productive, and dump toxic chemicals on it. This causes a spurt of production. This was the Green Revolution in a nutshell, BUT, when you do something like that, all you have done is steal production from the future. Because the ground will only produce so much. (And the other side to this is when you take marginally productive land and do the same thing with toxic chemicals; they produce for a short time, and then are virtually dead after wards.) So the Green Revelution lasted about 10-15 years, and then the farmers started to learn about 'more inputs.' The chemicals were sold to the farmers, in the beginning, cheaply. That ended about the same time they learned about needing to put more and more chemicals on the ground 'in order to maintain production.' By then, the farmers (many, many of them) had bought lots of new equipment, more land, more buildings, and more more more debt. They were locked in, and are still today... those who are left: America has lost 25 million family farms since toxic chemicals came into use. Now, not all of this can be blamed on the chemicals, but surely some of it can. Most of the blame rests on a government that set off to put food production into a few strong hands. However, if you ever get serious about studying this, you will find that you were arguing against yourself; The Green Revolution shipped food into a land that was supposed to hold 20 nomads. What, pray tell, is the difference between America, and Africa? When you increase production, and hold down price, is not the same scenario in play, no matter where you talk of? If not, then please explain the Green Revolution to me against a backdrop of a nation, America, which can no longer feed itself, and which is a net importer, in a big way, of food?
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
There probably isn't a solution other than Malthusian. While Malthus' "predictions" may have been somewhat "ugly", and the time frame he gave apparently off, it still falls in line with Scripture. In fact, he likely understated the outcome... Isaiah 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, 12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and [there be] a great forsaking in the midst of the land. 13 But yet in it [shall be] a tenth, HMMMM.... 90% population reduction. Isn't that what the globalists are calling for? I think they're gonna succeed - and God Almighty Himself is gonna help them out! BUT, this thread isn't about Scripture or population reduction; it's about FOOD and WEEDS and such... SO, I tell ya what, I'll make you a deal: If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
You are very welcome.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Here in this area of TX we don't have many trees, but have a wood chipper and use it to chip wood and corn stalks. Also I use a bagging lawnmower. The grass clippings placed on top of burlap are an excellent barrier against weeds. What I do is place where I want my rows in the garden, mulch heavily between the rows with any organic material I can get my hands on, and then only dig where the plants actually grow each ensuing year. Any organic material can make great mulch, and for the sake of renewing soil using a wide variety is best, that way you will renew the largest array of nutrients back into the soil. Most people think that mulching is expensive. It can be if you purchase your mulch, yet most people have several sources of mulches available that they throw away. Even if you do not have enough mulch for it to be thick enough to double as a weed deterant, ANY amount of ANY kind of mulch will help in renewing your soil.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Look at the population... and for your information, the leading cause of death in the South 1865 until WWII was due to malnutrition. Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.
Neither does the Sahel where they are calling for "more topsoil". Most people could use a good solid cource in Environmental science; systems and math based.
I don't doubt that one bit. ALL disease is the result of only 2 things: Common, "short-lived" diseases (like colds, flu, and ear infections) are the result of malnutrition - the body isn't getting all the nourishment it needs to support a 100% healthy functioning immune system, which would destroy the "offending organism" before symptoms even occur. The long-term debilitating diseases (like cancer, Alzheimer's, and autism) which are becoming more and more prevalent in today's society are the result of toxins. You could probably ingest one drop of arsenic today and it wouldn't kill you. In fact, you could probably get away with ingesting 1 drop daily for years. BUT, if you did that, eventually it WOULD kill you - though the arsenic itself may not get the BLAME for it (he died of cancer)... Just a few years ago, the government released an optimistic report stating that the rate of cancer was leveling off or declining. In 2002, the National Cancer Institute disclosed that the data used to prepare this report was seriously flawed. According to the National Cancer Institute, the incidences for some of the most deadly cancers are sharply increasing. The American Cancer Association responded to these stunning statistics by urging that more research be devoted to ascertain why prevention programs are failing. What has become strikingly apparent is that the most respected cancer institutions are "clueless" to explain why more Americans than ever before are contracting cancer. "Cancer results from the accumulation of mutations in genes that regulate cellular proliferation." Quoted from The New England Journal of Medicine, November 23, 2000, "Roads Leading to Breast Cancer." Genes regulate cell proliferation. When genes become mutated, normal cell regulatory processes are disrupted. If too many genes involved in regulating cell proliferation become mutated, the cells lose control over their own growth rate. Cancer is a disease characterized by rapidly propagating cells that expand locally by invasion and systemically by metastasis. According to this site, the most prevalent cause of environmental genetic mutation is the food we eat everyday...Unfortunately, the list of gene-mutating foods keeps growing, as scientists expose the fact that processed foods (designed for taste and convenience) are incredibly dangerous. Again, no argument here... But that "life expectancy" rating IS somewhat misleading. In the last 100 years infant mortality has decreased dramatically! The life expectancy rating takes into account the ages of all deaths, and averages it out - thus with a much lower infant mortality, naturally there will be a much higher "average"... I'm in my upper 40's and don't even have a "family doctor". I haven't been to a doctor for illness in years (in fact, I couldn't even begin to pinpoint the last time). Yet I see many folks younger than me that are going to the doctor several times a year - and I can literally "work circles" around many of today's youth. BUT I was raised by folks who did things "by the old school". You see, I was adopted when I was 6 days old by parents who were 60 YEARS OLD at the time!!! That's right, my dad was born in 1901 (Talk about healthy, you'd have to figure yourself to be in damn good health to be willing to undertake a task like that at that age, feeling confident you'd be around to see the child grown and on his own)... I was raised on RAW milk and butter, and fruits and vegetables out of the garden which were NOT "chemically tainted" (and which a lot of time was spent on in canning and freezing to last until the next year). We raised and butchered our own meats, and ground our own flour from the wheat we grew. (And although I "abandoned" those practices for some time while I was "out in the world on my own", I have now returned to doing ALL of them - or will be up to and including grinding my own flour and cornmeal beginning this year). BTW, my "food practices" also include following the "food laws" given by the Creator in Scripture. I won't eat pork, rabbit, catfish, or shrimp for example. Coming from the "old school" I also learned that when daddy says "shut up and do as you're told" that's what you did - the "reward" for disobedience is not pleasant. Could it be that the Creator actually did/does know what is best for us??? After all, the laws He gave us were intended for OUR benefit, not HIS. If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
You're saying that dioxin was negligently included in Agent Orange? Then pray tell, what was the primary ingredient intended to defoliate Southeast Asia?
Do you really believe that? I have heard the same thing said about America prior to 'whenever,' however, if you bother to read much of the info that has been published and which came directly from the jounals and records made by the people who settled America up to the time of the Civil War, you get a completely different picture. Daniel Boone is a good example; he lived to 89. In fact, if you subtract out those who died from such mundane things as arrows, bullet and knife wounds etc., they had a life expectency not much different from ours. Let us take it a step further; since 1900 (and the studies have been done), if you remove from the equation the gaines made in infant mortality rates, a man who reaches the age of 50 LIVES ON AVERAGE 6 MONTHS LONGER, TODAY, THAN THAT MAN'S GREAT-GRANDFATHER WOULD HAVE LIVED IF HE REACHED THE AGE OF 50 IN 1900. That is the entire gain from toxic chemical farming and toxic chemical doctoring, which, of course, go hand in hand.
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Jeeeeeeezzzz! There you go again, telling it like it is! shame on you! I was raised on RAW milk and butter, and fruits and vegetables out of the garden which were NOT "chemically tainted" (and which a lot of time was spent on in canning and freezing to last until the next year). We raised and butchered our own meats, and ground our own flour from the wheat we grew. We was lucky, was we not? Except we never ground our own flour. And, just like you, I knew better; that, dad, is why they have food for sale in the stores! But we all learn and move on, hopefully. And of everything you said, this is THE KEY; But, like I said in another reply, I fully support your (or anyone's) right to consume your nutrition in any fashion you see fit. I only ask that we remove and quit making new "laws" which PREVENT me (well not ME necessarily, but the vast majority of folks) from consuming MY/their nutrition as I/they see fit (for example the near impossibility to purchase RAW MILK; or NOT having labeling which indicates that an ingredient is genetically modified for example). When laws are passed which are intended to benefit one part of a society, i.e., the corporate farmers in this case, protecting them from competition, then nothing that is contained in the laws that are passed can be judged to be in the interests of the people of the nation. This brings into question everything that went before the passage of such laws and which lead up to the passage of such laws. This includes toxic/chemical farming. If such was, indeed, better and more healthful than the alternatives, NO LAWS WOULD BE NECESSARY AS THE TRUTH WOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE. It is never necessary to pass laws in such cases except to hide lies and deceive people.
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This includes toxic/chemical farming. If such was, indeed, better and more healthful than the alternatives, NO LAWS WOULD BE NECESSARY AS THE TRUTH WOULD BE ON THEIR SIDE. It is never necessary to pass laws in such cases except to hide lies and deceive people. Man's laws generally suck. God gave us ten. Christ cut it down to two. This session alone, the lege here in TX passed just under 1500 new "laws." Do we have a problem, Houston?
Then pray tell, what was the primary ingredient intended to defoliate Southeast Asia? HOUNDDAWG Negligent? Yes, in that they did not give a single thought to the harm inflicted by inclusion of pure dioxin... and no... the company in Turin, Italy did it on purpose ( used partially filled, used and returned etc dioxin barrels ) to increase their profits from the contract and admitted as much. and my "recently at least" un-researched inclination is paraquat.
Apples and oranges The maximum life span of man has not increased one day in the past 10,000, or more years. It is fixed at somewhere approaching 100 ( +/-10 ) years and is based on the cell division capability, i.e. hard-wired in. The average life expectancy is now somewhere between 50 and 76 depending largely on infant mortality (subtract the zeros and the average zooms)but also death at childbirth and a man " wearing out" by 45 or 50. The median life span of humans from say 1400 backwards ( and some 'natural Rousseauian noble savage' areas now) is somewhere between 40 and 60 years. Three completely different concepts and three valid concepts to be used in evaluating current benefits and trends.
IMNSHO... over and above some personal taboo... the " 'food laws ' given by the Creator in Scripture" ... are malarky as a health-related paradigm, with no substantive origin or value whatsoever, except what you choose to ascribe to them. The smartest rabbi I have ever known, and one reputed to be the sole expert on extremely esoteric and ancient burial rites on the East Coast... told me one afternoon sitting in his home... after we had planted flowers from 7 AM-2 PM in 103 degree weather for the neighborhood so his tyrant of a wife would look good to the Gardening Committee.... " the 'food laws' were formulated for the uninformed masses as a tangible, felt and omnipresent physical means of eliciting daily discipline and control through taboo and proscription." ...and that's all I got to say 'bout that... F. G.
I am in total agreement with you all here.
Houston, we have a problem......
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I am truly sorry that you are so poorly informed. " the 'food laws' were formulated for the uninformed masses as a tangible, felt and omnipresent physical means of eliciting daily discipline and control through taboo and proscription." And if you truly believe this, then I am doubly sorry for you. BUT, that being said, you should try reading some of the diet books, such as Eat Right 4 Your Type, which clearly explains that pork, as a for instance, can not be eaten by anyone benefically. Or soda pop drank. There are other non-religious books which bring out such subjects as well. Here in 4um there have been numerous discussions about the food laws and such things as pork, and the info is rather amazing when you break it all down. That being said, I doubt that the facts have changed many minds, here or elsewhere for that matter, cause in these subjects, facts do not count for much. This is an individual choice, but that being said, this I will guarentee to you; IF you do the studies necessary to learn, you will find that EVERY food law contained in the Bible is correct, scientifically. I certainly do not expect you to accept that, but perhaps it will give you something to think about as you continue to learn with us. Or not, as the case may be, but you will find supporting evidence in other areas of your life as well; I know this for a fact. Why? Because once you begin to touch on this subject, the info just keeps flowing, and, to avoid it, YOU must make a decision to ignore and stop learning. Your choice, my friend. Make a wise one.
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I'm sorry, when I think of food laws I think of Jews having two dishwashers and two refrigerators because you can't mix dairy and meat.
Good grief - I had no idea. Is that God's law, or man's? I shouldn't be having a nicely grilled cheeseburger? I may have to go with Paul on this one - "All things are lawful to me."
See, there is your first problem, thinking of the Jews and food laws together. You should read the book, The Thirteenth Tribe, free on the internet on Bible Believers; http://www.biblebelievers.o rg.au/13trindx.htm Then, try this quote; ``...the Idumeans (Edomites) were...made Jews...and a Turkish people (Khazars) were mainly Jews in South Russia...The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea." (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, 3rd ed., MacMillian, 1921, p. 494). Or, these; "For in the lands of Gog and Magog who are a Hunnish race and call themselves Gazari there is one tribe, a very belligerent one Alexander enclosed them and they escaped and all of them profess the Jewish faith." (written by Christian Druthmar in 864) "The Khazars and their king are all Jews." (written by Ahmad Ibn Fadlan circa 921/922) "All of the Khazars are Jews. But they have been Judaized recently." (written by Ibn al Faqih, circa 930) But perhaps this explains best; "Mr Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: "These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom.. The Khazars were a non Semitic, Turko Mongolian tribe.." Mr Freedman was challenged, unwisely, by a Zionist objector...he invited his challenger to go with him to the Jewish room of the New York Public Library. There they could together examine the Jewish Encyclopedia volume I pp. 1 12, and the published works of Graetz, Dubnow, Friedlander, Raisin and many other noted Jewish historians, which, as well as other non Jewish authorities, "establish the fact beyond all possible doubt".’ (Somewhere South of Suez (1950) pp349 350)." If you are interested, I can point you to a couple of books which trace the origins of the people of Europe back to Israel. But the Jews of today are more than 99% Khazar, and are not related in any way, manner, shape or form to Israel.
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Perhaps you should read this as it pretty well dispenses with the notion that dioxin was somehow included after the fact by an Italian packager. Agent Orange was manufactured by more than a few companies and all of it was highly toxic. None of those so named claimed to be the victim of an Italian company using unwashed dioxin barrels to ship product to US customers.
BBBBRRRRSSSTTTT! (That was me sticking my tougne out at you, if you did not understand the lingo!)
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Not by my science. Protein (any kind) => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids Sugar ( any kind)=> glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) "Carbohydrates" (any kind) => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) Fats ( any kind) => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) pork => => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes)+ amino acids birthday cake with thick icing => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) steak => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids lamb => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) poultry => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids shrimp => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids crab => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids lobster => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids chicken => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes)+ amino acids grub worms => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) + amino acids Lettuce => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes) and so on, as per this very abbreviated format. Eliminatory by products are insoluble roughage, 30% E. coli mass, water, undigested excess, indigestibles like peanuts, gases for the most part re-absorbed and converted into glucose and amino acids. Excretory by products are urea (CO2 and ammonia coupled to reduce individual toxicity and osmotic pressure), uric acid (nucleotide catabolism; also eliminatory), XS salts and minerals and "vitamins", CO2 and water. Calories in calories out. The connector is energy, stored(fat) or used. Two food groups, carbohydrate and protein have the ~ same number of calories per gram. Fat has twice the calories as pure sugar or pure protein per gram. Abbreviated one minute input/output.
The stuff was going to VietNam and Cambodia. Turin even had a release of dioxin. I did not say, and do not know that Turin was the only company involved. I also suspect the involved companies did a joint " I did it" to stop the controversy with the Pentagon in the lead. I studied this scenario in depth in grad school as part of an exercise tracing the source, release and dispersal of toxic chemicals and their components and contaminants as related to " Agent Orange"; and their subsequent use as road oils and brush busters in the US. I do not have a political dog in the fight. I am just relaying what was found out near the time of the controversy. What has been done with the information since I do not know and do not care.
Very good.
I always thought of it as a form of conspicuous consumption. Just a way to show your wealth.
True...like sable at a seder...you seem to know about that.
thanks for the great info.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Christ cut it down to two. Well the Dear God... And we're supposed to know all of them - "ignorance of the law is no excuse"... Hell, I can't even purport to know all the "laws" in the stinking Transportation Code; let alone the literal volumes of nonsense that make up the rest of "law". Does anyone have any idea of the number of "laws" here in the US? Last count I'd heard was over 2.5 million! HAHAHAHAHA I'm sticking with 759...
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
Old habits are hard to break. You seem to have a habit of doing the same thing!
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
Only as an outsider looking in.
Only as an outsider looking in. LOL Didn't you like the sable? Its horrendously expensive from a first line caterer....and a seder gets the best.
As do the Bar mitzvahs.
and Bas mitzvahs
My mother-in-law had her's a couple of years ago. Something she was denied as a young girl. She was one of 3 who did it. Blessings on her rabbi.
Why? It is essentially a "Coming Out".
Leave it to a Jew. What happens to the meat and dairy when they are eaten? Don't they mix in your stomach? So what, you have to space the eating of meat and dairy 12 hours apart?? We have two refrigerators here, but that is because we get 4 gallons of milk per day plus eggs from the chickens and do not have room to store it all. I keep 2 gallons of goat milk, 4 gallons of cow milk and a gallon of buttermilk in the fridge at all times, you try keeping all of that in one fridge and still have room for leftovers. We also have two dishwashers, one automatic, and one manual (me) for the dishes that do not fit into the automatic.
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
LOL Never served together either. Next time you are in Manhattan go to a "Dairy Bar". It will be a new experience for you. (-:
Man's of course. God would never come up with such a pathetic excuse for a law. For that matter, no one would.......except maybe a Rabbi......
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
They are eaten at separate meals. Don't ask me to explain bagels and lox, I can't. The rules make absolutely no sense to me.
We also have two dishwashers, one automatic, and one manual (me) for the dishes that do not fit into the automatic. Yum! I'm eligible for adoption.
It is essentially a "Coming Out". For allowing her to complete a religious rite denied her at the appropriate age based on her gender.
And how is trichinosis broken down???
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Look at the definitions of meat and milk. You must admit a fresh bagel with Scottish Lox (not the gravlox crap) , a thin slice of sweet onion, a slice of tomato and cream cheese studded with capers... ummmm time for dinner!!
Hey, I'm Christian. If it doesn't come out of a teat it isn’t dairy.
You would think that you were a deprived adoptee, no pork, shellfish, ect.....
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Ok now you are going to have to feed me.
1. Virtually non-existant in the US unless you are a globalist middleman and get the crap from China or Mexico. 2. Trichinosis is not one of the world's dread diseases anyway 3. Common cooking completely kills the parasite 4. the parasite's presence is clearly visible as "spotted pork" ( now when did you see polka dot pork? LOL) then like any protein... cooked trichina => => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes)+ amino acids YUMMY !!
I've concluded that anyone who wants to be in politics - shouldn't be there.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" ladybug Hey !! Read on ! I am not the one doing without! My response was "malarky".
What killed me was the story about Orthodox Jews getting parasites from pork. Their immigrant house keepers were not washing their hands. Yuck! Apparently it's becoming a major problem.
??? OK you were defending the eating of ALL foods, even the ones that innieway will not eat such as those defined in the food laws. If he were to adopt you, that would mean that you would do without those foods. For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
This true. Two sets of everything.
Fresh churned buttermilk, buttermilk pie and some great chevre could make me forget the steak!
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement. farmfriend I know, I have a mother....and it is ridiculous. I have dined at dairy bars too. I have sat seder. However, I do like the sable (-:....and the whitefish salad from Tenefly NY, down at the deli next to the train track, four blocks down from Ozzie and Harriet Nelson's old home ! LOL One more tribal rite of exclusiveness and sacrifice to demonstrate obedience and membership. Spare me. Ostentation for the sake of ostentation and obedience and membership.
Yeah.... if I just wasn't so shy about it....
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and still do! (-:
Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk - most of my grocers have gone to the "low-fat" crap - which doesn't cook up in recipes quite so well.
I have a buttermilk pie recipe.
Do you remember that fresh-churned on the front veranda buttermilk that was so tart yet smooth and thirst-quenching? and when the glass was emptied the bold stripes went all the way down the glass on the inside from the milk? regular unchurned milk did not do that
Exactly!
All this food talk is making me hungry. My dad could make a meal of fresh buttermilk with cornbread crumbled in it, with sides of green onions and sliced tomatoes. Now, I'm really hungry...
Now, I'm really hungry... You are a Southerner.
You should not go there, JC. It does not matter what is in the food you eat (with the exception that it DOES MATTER when critical substances are missing!); the only thing that matters is if what is in the food is usuable by your body. Please, permit me to give you a couple of examples. Calcium. We are constantly being told that milk is a great source of calcium, and esp. for older women, but is this true? No, it is not, because the calcium in milk is in a form that is not usuable AS CALCIUM in your body. In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body. And, this makes the milk from this source damaging, ESP. for older women. Iron. Does it matter what form iron is in when you eat it? Silly question, actually, or anyone could simply scrape some rust off of some iron and ingest it. Or is it so silly, because this is more or less what happens when you take any of the major brands of vitamins, because the form of iron that they use is not much different from this extreme example, and, the same thing holds true for any of the vitamins and minerals in major brands of vitamins; none of them are bioavailable, and they are not usuable in your body. Last one; beef and pork. What is the difference? Beef comes from an animal that has 4 stomachs, and which digests their food three times. From this, they create a meat that is formed from a single enzyme, AND WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO BE DIGESTED IN OUR STOMACHS, and, it will not support parasites. And pork? Pork is a complex meat, which you can not digest no matter how hard you try. In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines; odds are pretty good that this 'food' is made up of pork, shell fish, sugar, and other forms of non-food that people eat. Pork also supports a horde of different parasites, and these can be seen through a microscope, and, sorry, but cooking does not kill anywhere near all of them. In addition, pork carries in excess of 900 different viruses, and, as has been discovered in recent years, pigs, AND ONLY PIGS OF ALL ANIMALS ON EARTH, have an organ in their throats that can change any virus into some other virus; this is just in case they are short of one or the other of the 900 they carry! So there is a lot more to this than just saying something that you are going to put into your mouth has this or that in it; first thing is, is what is in the food good for you, and, then, CAN YOU USE WHAT IS THERE. That, my friend, is the secret.
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I would like to see some of those studies.
Texan all my life.
You're right - if it's not digestible/absorbable - it's not useful to us, as I'm finding out by working with a nutritionist on all our herbs and supplements.
I eat pork very very rarely and now I know why....Eewwwww!!!!! [Lamb/mutton is even grosser except it also tastes like s**t!]
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Damn. You must have had a bad batch of lamb - properly done, a rack of lamb is heaven.
Hold on new friend !! Conjugated Ca++ as in milk is in my experience far more easily utilized than unconjugated Ca++. Unconjugated Ca++ as in a bag of limestone is the one essentially useless as you poop out 99.99% of it! Aragonite from oyster shells is even worse although the formula is the same ( CaCo3) but it has a different lattice structure.
I have a fairly wide and deep scholastic and working knowledge of chemistry and biochemistry and I would sure like to see this reaction!
http://www .rxalternativemedicine.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm Milk is a highly touted source of calcium. The problem the dairy industry fails to mention is that the calcium in milk is not very bioavailable. This means you can drink it but your body may not absorb it. Another problem with milk as a calcium source is its high protein content. High protein foods such as milk tend to actually pull calcium from your bones. http://healthylivingtalk.com/index.cfm?commentID=32 For years, I've studied the available research on milk and other dairy products and have concluded that milk, especially in it's current form, is not an essential part of a healthy diet that I would recommend, and can actually be harmful to your health. ... ...Now comes evidence that the calcium benefit the dairy industry claims is vital to growing children... well, really isn't. In one of the most comprehensive review of over 27 studies looking into the benefits of calcium from milk sources found that only three out of the 27 studies found any benefit, and very little benefit at that. Here's part of the article: This should get you started. I would have put up more but my wife is waiting for me!
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Sorry new friend, Fe in "vitamins" is Fe++ and not the Fe+++ in iron (III) oxide , or rust. Besides, if you are a guy you have too much iron anyway. If you are a lady, Ca++ conjugated is for you and you will still poop out 99.999% ! Milk is best but the real problem is hormonal control of enzymes responsible for maintaining the calcium as calcium phosphate in bones instead of scavenging Ca++ from the calcium phosphate matrix. In females the issue is far more complex than gulping a handful of overpriced and virtually useless oyster shell tabs every morning.
ROTFLMAO...what a crock ! Who told you that one? "Gastrointestinal nematodes (GIN) are a major health and economic risk factor in ruminant production in organic and conventional farms (Thamsborg et al., 1999)." "Cattle can be a host for the Taenia saginata infection which presents as a tapeworm in humans." "Liver fluke, or varying degrees of pathology attributable to Fasciola hepatica, were present in 65% of the livers. The results of this study extend those of previous workers, which were largely limited to dairy cows alone and which focussed on gastrointestinal nematodes and did not include simultaneous infections with lungworm and liver fluke." "Trypanosoma brucei is the hemoflagellate that causes sleeping sickness. It is spread by the bite of the tsetse fly, which transfers the organism from alternate host such as the cow. " "Taenia sp., the tapeworms or cestodes, are consummate examples of parasitism. Their bodies are reduced to mostly reproductive organs. The "head" of the worm, the scolex, holds on to the intestinal wall. Behind the "head" are proglottids, which are mainly composed of ovaries and testes. The most mature proglottids are found near the "tail" of the flattened worm; these release eggs. Larvae may migrate to other tissues and form cysts. They may interfere with the function of the affected organ if the parasite load is high. Humans acquire the beef tapeworms by consuming undercooked beef contaminated by encysted Taenia saginata larvae, but not by consumption of their eggs." "Fasciola hepatica, the liver fluke, has a complex life cycle, requiring water snails as intermediate hosts. Humans and other mammals acquire the organism by eating cyst-contaminated water plants. Watercress is a common source of the parasite for humans. The cysts release immature flukes that migrate to the liver and gallbladder. A high load of the parasite may obstruct the biliary tract. Consumption of undercooked beef is another source of human infection." Plus about 40 more (-:
I read they are good to eat. I've been meaning to look into that.
Carbon-carbon single bond: reactive. Carbon=carbon double bond: very reactive. Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Waste of good money.... but not as bad for you as a gambling addiction , perhaps.
Produces less water in the reaction thus more concentrated Heat from actually two degrees saturation less energy. Therefore ethyne, or acetylene as it is commonly called, is used for welding instead of the far more energetic ethane or ethene.
Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history? It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today.
Looks like I asked my question too soon.. I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.
People think vaccines saved children. They didn't. Mostly it was better sewage treatment. After the introduction of vaccines of vaccines there was no drop in the death rate. The rumor is that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet. If he did, he benefited mankind far more than the introduction of vaccinations.
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No no no. These studies. It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today. Correct. As far as I can tell.
2. It seems that if people were lucky enough to reach adulthood, their life- span would be somewhat the same as it is today. 1. yes , partially but see #2 (also death in childbirth) 2.A. It wasn't. Unsteady food supply, borderline malnutrition, body-wearing work, parasites from food and water, a grain husk in the intestine !! ,predators, cold, disease, a cut, a splinter, a hair thin fishbone in the throat ( fatal), an absessed tooth, worn out teeth...any weakness and you were a targe...blindness from looking at the sun...simple things like this reduced the adult life expectancy to less than half of today for the greatest expanse of human existence . Utopia never existed despite Rousseau's and Greenpeace's claims. 2.B. That said, the maximun age has not changed one day. SOME old people then reached the same advanced years as SOME old people today...no more, no less. All that POTENTIAL (and limit) is hard wired and is as of right now unchangeable. Some rich people decided about two years ago to engage in genetic engineering to increase the length of their telomeres by inhibition of a telomerase because as you age and near death your telomeres are incrementally degraded. These people died faster and soon this little search for eternity over all was discontinued. True story. Some will fiddle and fudge and argue about 24 months etc and the miracle of modern medicine and vitamin supplements making you live forever and semantics ... poppycock.... 1,2,3 are the picture.
The rumor is that Thomas Crapper invented the flush toilet. If he did, he benefited mankind far more than the introduction of vaccinations. That's surprising because the London sewerage system was functioning and child death was still high until vaccination in its myriad forms was used and used quite successfully. Ditto for American cities.
Right, the flush toilet really help get rid of polio. Pardon...saw your page...you were a precious baby !!
Chlorination, not the sewerage system, radically attenuated cholera.
and gave us myriad chlorinated hydrocarbons which in daily large doses are not good for us... these are created when a "Water Authority" uses the cheap way and takes gunky water and hits it with a big blast of Cl2 which will react within the confines of the pipeline before reaching users, but creates chlorinated hydrocarbons galore... good city systems gross filter, aerate, precipitate, fine filter, test then minimally chlorinate... the only two cities I KNOW to do this are Los Angeles, CA and Danville, VA and regretfully I have never had access to either of those waters for taste-testing.
Sure it was.
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Polio was successfully treated with Vitamin C, and the cure rate was higher than the vaccination. Please, I know what I'm talking about. I've been studying this stuff for decades, and comments like yours only make you look silly.
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Sorry you think sarcasm is silly.
ROTFLMFAO
You should have studied somewhere other that Dr Schlock's Home Remedy and Panacea Snake Oil Institute of Lower Slobbovia. YT...you are very callous with those definitive statements and have been the same for years.
Sarcasm is an attempt at passive aggression.
Venice had a sewerage system and they died like flies !
Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?" ladybug For you and whatever tribe you belong to....knock yourself out. The majority of mankind votes with Western enlightenment.
Yep, including a second house, I do not wish to have any of the forbidden foods in my home!
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Should be able to find it pretty easy. Raw whole buttermilk at that!!! Or just ask Christine where she is getting her milk (it is off the same website).
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Very well said! Thank God for raw milk, the very best thing since slice white bread. Oh, Yeah, Raw milk came first and white bread will kill ya! Raw milk is still great!!!
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
It's a form of humor. Interesting that you would say that though.
OK, I am not trying to tell you what to do with your life, only what you would be in for if you were adopted by innieway, which was YOUR idea Now have I made myself clear, sheesh.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
I am now cooking an elk steak that one of our grocery stores was selling. I have no idea how it will turn out, I'm a little leery since I've never eaten it, though I eat moose all the time!
Didn't think about that, those factors would indeed have cut the lifespan down some.
Her guy has a waiting list of over a hundred folks wanting to buy... He needs many more cows.
He needs many more cows. I am glad to hear that people are finally wising up! Maybe you could call him anyway, buttermilk is not the single most popular milk product on the list. I am sure that he may not have butter or milk available to sell, ut buttermilk would be a definite possibility. Also, go to the website for real milk and look up other producers around you. I know that here, people want MUCH more of the milk and butter than they want the buttermilk, probably %95 of our buttermilk goes to bottle calves because so few people want it, and those that do do not want large quantities. One last option, you could always come visit us! I know that it is a bit of a drive for buttermilk, but you have a cooler. Gas is cheap anyway, and you can't beat the hospitality after you arrive! P.S. We may be getting another cow soon, so there wont be any buttermilk shortage here in the near future.
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
That may have something to do with why we are not permitted to eat anything from inside of the animal; NO LIVER, NO HEART, NO BLOOD. Never.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Sorry! Thinking milk, ya know.... http://www.sheilashea.com/colon intro.html Elimination becomes incomplete and waste remains in the intestines. Dehydration and stagnation occur. This matrix creates erratic conditions in the body we call disease. The main dietary offenders are animal products, salt, sugar, flour, chemicals, and drugs. They are lifeless and give no energy to the digestive system. http://www.relfe.com/colon_clea nsing.html These problems do not happen by accident. Many of these problems are caused partly or largely by eating and drinking foods and drinks which are not what nature intended we eat and drink. ... The MOST important cleanse to do is colon cleansing, because if you have a dirty colon with impacted fecal matter, this will create extra toxins which the other organs then have to continually detox. http://www.healthfree.com/view_newsletter.php?id=124&key=b When the good bacteria in the small intestine have been killed off, the intestines become impacted with food that the good bacteria did not get a chance to work on. Parasites and bad bacteria and moths can live in the impacted rotting food. Molds like candida can grow and release toxins into the body. The impacted food blocks nutrient flow through the villi. The impaction is a gradual process and you may not notice it right away. You just start to feel more tired. You may eventually become exhausted, not sleep well and start to crave sugar. Some people use caffeine in the morning and during the day to solve this problem and keep them going. This could be very harmful. The person can become increasingly more exhausted. http://www.medicinenet.com/intestinal_gas_belching_bloating_flatulence/p age3.htm or fecal impaction (hardened stool in the rectum) can also obstruct the flow of the intestinal contents and result in distention. If you wish more, just ask.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Sorry Old Sport. The worms and cysts are in the beef muscle...its called "mealy beef".
PING! It may cost you a few bucks to get educated. The alternative is ignorance. ;0)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
there's plenty of educatin' to be had
Just so happens I disagree with Ron Paul on free trade. It's a bad deal for the U.S. all the way around and only favors corporate profit at the expense of the people. The next step is to turn us all into slaves on the Global Plantation. If that is what you want, you may get your wish. I'll fight them to the death! Since you obviously have no interest in the resources I have pointed you to and only are interested in posting globalist propaganda, I think there is nothing further we have to discuss.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
#2. To: richard9151 (#0)
#3. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
People used to think dandelions were weeds. The parts can be used for herbs, wine, and salads. I wouldn't call that a weed.
#4. To: lodwick (#2)
We took the "easy way out" with big chem, and now we're reaping the deadly harvest.
#5. To: JCHarris, lodwick, YertleTurtle, richard9151 (#4)
#6. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
People used to think dandelions were weeds. The parts can be used for herbs, wine,
#7. To: farmfriend (#5)
I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Dr. Wambugu. She was very upset with European enviro groups coming down to Africa and telling them they should be growing organically. Her point was that Africa has been using organic agriculture since man first walked upright and they are starving.
#8. To: farmfriend, JCHarris, lodwick, YertleTurtle (#5)
Her point was that Africa has been using organic agriculture since man first walked upright and they are starving.
#9. To: richard9151 (#6)
#10. To: JCHarris (#4)
You would be very hungry were it not for Big Chem...or the world population...mainly third world....would be one quarter what it is.
#11. To: richard9151 (#8)
Right. And that would not have had anything to do with their government interference and in stealing what they grew now would it.....
#12. To: JCHarris (#3)
kudzu
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#12)
kudzu
#14. To: JCHarris (#9)
I grow my own mushrooms too.
#15. To: richard9151 (#8)
Right. And that would not have had anything to do with their government interference and in stealing what they grew now would it.....
#16. To: lodwick (#10)
I sincerely hope that you don't truly believe that.
#17. To: lodwick (#10)
#18. To: farmfriend (#14)
#19. To: JCHarris (#18)
what kind?
#20. To: All (#18)
#21. To: All (#18)
what kind?
#22. To: All (#20)
#23. To: JCHarris, lodwick, innieway (#4)
(Edited)
Take your pick and provide a solution other than Malthusian.
#24. To: farmfriend (#5)
(Edited)
and they are starving.
#25. To: JCHarris (#4)
You would be very hungry were it not for Big Chem
#26. To: BTP Holdings. concerned people here (#24)
#27. To: BTP Holdings (#24)
has brought a few soil scientists in to help Chinese farmers adopt more productive and nutritious farming practices.
#28. To: farmfriend (#5)
Her point was that Africa has been using organic agriculture since man first walked upright and they are starving.
#29. To: farmfriend (#27)
I don't think what we are doing is right but throwing it all out isn't right either. Finding a better way is always the answer.
#30. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
The parts can be used for herbs, wine, and salads. I wouldn't call that a weed.
#31. To: JCHarris (#3)
That's the definition of a weed.
#32. To: innieway (#28)
Plowing under the stalks left from harvest is NOT a good way to build soil fertility. Simply laying them ON TOP of the soil and allowing them to decay there IS.
#33. To: innieway (#28)
ORGANIC is NOT to blame for soil fertility depletion.
#34. To: Esso (#32)
Can you amplify that information for me?
#35. To: JCHarris (#4)
You would be very hungry were it not for Big Chem
#36. To: richard9151 (#8)
And I do not care who anyone meets or talks with. It does not make sense to continue to promote toxic solutions to problems that do not exist. And, I am speaking of weeds and the so-called control thereof.
#37. To: farmfriend (#11)
Her main thrust was the sweet potato root that is a staple in her country. It is being attacked by a virus.
An appropriate use of GMOs if you ask me.
Good Grief
#38. To: innieway, JCHarris, all (#25)
Gee, it's a wonder mankind survived for many thousands of years without Dow and Monsanto and pasteurized milk...
#39. To: BTP Holdings, JCHarris, lodwick, innieway, all (#23)
UNFORGIVEN The American Econmic System SOLD for Debt and War
#40. To: JCHarris (#15)
This scenario exists today. I am not so sure aid to Africa is not cruel.
#41. To: Esso (#32)
Can you amplify that information for me?
#42. To: JCHarris (#15)
I am not so sure aid to Africa is not cruel.
#43. To: BTP Holdings (#34)
Spoiled hay is the best source.
#44. To: ladybug (#41)
#45. To: ladybug (#43)
#46. To: JCHarris, farmfriend, lady bug, lodwick, all (#15)
This scenario exists today. I am not so sure aid to Africa is not cruel.
#47. To: JCHarris (#4)
Take your pick and provide a solution other than Malthusian.
I'll staunchly DEFEND your right to consume all the genetically modified stuff you want, along with anything that's been sprayed with anything, and all the pasteurized dairy products your heart desires IF you'll defend MY right to know what's in the store-bought food I eat through comprehensive labels which include whether it's GMO or not, and things like RAW MILK.... Deal?
#48. To: Esso (#44)
Thanks, that's the info I was lookin' for.
#49. To: BTP Holdings (#45)
Leaves in the fall also if you are near trees.
#50. To: innieway (#25)
Gee, it's a wonder mankind survived for many thousands of years without Dow and Monsanto and pasteurized milk...
#51. To: ladybug (#49)
Here in this area of TX we don't have many trees,
#52. To: JCHarris (#50)
(Edited)
the leading cause of death in the South 1865 until WWII was due to malnutrition.
1. Malnutrition
2. Toxicity
The sad fact is that statistics show that 1 in 3 people will contract some form of cancer in their lifetime. Compare that with the 1 in 30 rate observed in 1900... Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.
Here's another interesting little "unadvertised morsel" to chew on:
Even though "life expectancy" is now over 70, if you were born in 1900 and lived to the age of 20 you had a better chance of seeing 70 than if you were born in 1980.
So I don't know - you tell me. Is there a connection between my very good health and my "food practices" as opposed to the plethora of health problems practically everyone around me faces and their "food practices"? I'm convinced there is.
But, like I said in another reply, I fully support your (or anyone's) right to consume your nutrition in any fashion you see fit. I only ask that we remove and quit making new "laws" which PREVENT me (well not ME necessarily, but the vast majority of folks) from consuming MY/their nutrition as I/they see fit (for example the near impossibility to purchase RAW MILK; or NOT having labeling which indicates that an ingredient is genetically modified for example).
NAH, people know better - His laws are archaic, impossible to follow, and mistake-riddled; and we need to fix His mistakes...
#53. To: JCHarris (#17)
#54. To: JCHarris, innieway (#50)
Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.
#55. To: innieway, JCHarris, farmfriend, lodwick, all (#52)
BTW, my "food practices" also include following the "food laws" given by the Creator in Scripture. I won't eat pork, rabbit, catfish, or shrimp for example. Coming from the "old school" I also learned that when daddy says "shut up and do as you're told" that's what you did - the "reward" for disobedience is not pleasant. Could it be that the Creator actually did/does know what is best for us??? After all, the laws He gave us were intended for OUR benefit, not HIS. NAH, people know better - His laws are archaic, impossible to follow, and mistake-riddled; and we need to fix His mistakes...
#56. To: richard9151. farm friends here, cinnamon (#55)
When laws are passed which are intended to benefit one part of a society, i.e., the corporate farmers in this case, protecting them from competition, then nothing that is contained in the laws that are passed can be judged to be in the interests of the people of the nation. This brings into question everything that went before the passage of such laws and which lead up to the passage of such laws.
#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
You're saying that dioxin was negligently included in Agent Orange?
#58. To: richard9151 (#54)
Daniel Boone is a good example; he lived to 89
#59. To: innieway, richard9151, farmfriend, lodwick, all (#55)
"food laws" given by the Creator in Scripture. I won't eat pork, rabbit, catfish, or shrimp for example
#60. To: richard9151, innieway, , farmfriend, lodwick, all (#55)
quit making new "laws" which PREVENT me (well not ME necessarily, but the vast majority of folks) from consuming MY/their nutrition as I/they see fit (for example the near impossibility to purchase RAW MILK; or NOT having labeling which indicates that an ingredient is genetically modified for example).
#61. To: lodwick (#56)
Do we have a problem, Houston?
#62. To: JCHarris, innieway, farmfriend, lodwick (#59)
are malarky as a health-related paradigm, with no substantive origin or value whatsoever, except what you choose to ascribe to them.
#63. To: richard9151 (#62)
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#64. To: farmfriend (#63)
I'm sorry, when I think of food laws I think of Jews having two dishwashers and two refrigerators because you can't mix dairy and meat.
#65. To: farmfriend (#63)
I'm sorry, when I think of food laws I think of Jews having two dishwashers and two refrigerators because you can't mix dairy and meat.
#66. To: JCHarris (#57)
(Edited)
#67. To: lodwick (#64)
Good grief - I had no idea.
#68. To: richard9151 (#62)
EVERY food law contained in the Bible is correct, scientifically.
#69. To: HOUNDDAWG (#66)
US customers.
#70. To: JCHarris (#69)
#71. To: lodwick (#64)
Is that God's law, or man's?
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#72. To: farmfriend (#71)
I always thought of it as a form of conspicuous consumption. Just a way to show your wealth.
#73. To: BTP Holdings (#23)
#74. To: lodwick (#56)
God gave us ten.
Rabis Babylonian vermin (whom the Messiah addressed as "sons of the devil") - and whom are the leaders of the world's largest group of identity thieves - claim there is 613. But from a legal standpoint when Scripture is code-pleaded out including the "New Testament" it is more like 750 inclusive of Commandments, Statutes, and Judgments... BUT, the 10 and 2 you cited are pretty important ones, (I'm guessing) since the penalty (anytime you have a law there has to be a penalty ascribed for violation of that law) for each of them is capital punishment - the death penalty. This session alone, the lege here in TX passed just under 1500 new "laws."
#75. To: richard9151 (#55)
There you go again, telling it like it is! shame on you!
#76. To: JCHarris (#72)
True...like sable at a seder...you seem to know about that.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#77. To: farmfriend (#76)
True...like sable at a seder...you seem to know about that.
#78. To: JCHarris (#77)
and a seder gets the best.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#79. To: farmfriend (#78)
#80. To: JCHarris (#79)
and Bas mitzvahs
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#81. To: farmfriend (#80)
Blessings on her rabbi.
#82. To: farmfriend (#63)
I'm sorry, when I think of food laws I think of Jews having two dishwashers and two refrigerators because you can't mix dairy and meat.
#83. To: innieway (#82)
What happens to the meat and dairy when they are eaten? Don't they mix in your stomach?
#84. To: lodwick (#64)
Is that God's law, or man's?
#85. To: innieway (#82)
What happens to the meat and dairy when they are eaten? Don't they mix in your stomach?
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#86. To: innieway (#82)
We have two refrigerators here, but that is because we get 4 gallons of milk per day plus eggs from the chickens and do not have room to store it all. I keep 2 gallons of goat milk, 4 gallons of cow milk and a gallon of buttermilk in the fridge at all times, you try keeping all of that in one fridge and still have room for leftovers.
#87. To: JCHarris (#81)
Why?
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#88. To: JCHarris (#68)
pork => => glucose => pyruvic acid ; burned by every cell in your body except red blood cells ( erythrocytes)+ amino acids
#89. To: farmfriend (#85)
Don't ask me to explain bagels and lox, I can't.
#90. To: JCHarris (#89)
Look at the definitions of meat and milk.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#91. To: JCHarris (#86)
I'm eligible for adoption.
#92. To: JCHarris (#89)
You must admit a fresh bagel with Scottish Lox (not the gravlox crap) , a thin slice of sweet onion, a slice of tomato and cream cheese studded with capers...
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#93. To: ladybug (#88)
And how is trichinosis broken down???
#94. To: innieway. everyone here (#74)
And we're supposed to know all of them - "ignorance of the law is no excuse"... Hell, I can't even purport to know all the "laws" in the stinking Transportation Code; let alone the literal volumes of nonsense that make up the rest of "law".
#95. To: ladybug (#91)
You would think that you were a deprived adoptee, no pork, shellfish, ect.....
#96. To: JCHarris (#93)
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#97. To: JCHarris (#95)
Hey !! Read on ! I am not the one doing without! My response was "malarky".
#98. To: ladybug (#97)
For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#99. To: ladybug (#97)
If he were to adopt you, that would mean that you would do without those foods. For those of us who follow the food laws they are not even allowed to grace your table ware, never mind your fridge.
#100. To: farmfriend (#98)
This true. Two sets of everything.
#101. To: innieway (#75)
You seem to have a habit of doing the same thing!
#102. To: ladybug (#97)
OK you were defending the eating of ALL foods
#103. To: JCHarris. everyone (#99)
#104. To: lodwick (#103)
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#105. To: lodwick (#103)
Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk - most of my grocers have gone to the "low-fat" crap - which doesn't cook up in recipes quite so well.
#106. To: JCHarris (#100)
Ostentation for the sake of ostentation and obedience and membership.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#107. To: farmfriend, JCHarris, food lovers here (#104)
#108. To: lodwick (#107)
My dad could make a meal of fresh buttermilk with cornbread crumbled in it, with sides of green onions and sliced tomatoes.
#109. To: JCHarris, lodwick, farmfriend, lady bug, all (#68)
Not by my science.
#110. To: richard9151 (#109)
In fact, studies show
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#111. To: JCHarris (#108)
You are a Southerner.
#112. To: richard9151 (#109)
#113. To: richard9151 (#109)
(Edited)
#114. To: IndieTX (#113)
#115. To: richard9151 (#109)
Calcium. We are constantly being told that milk is a great source of calcium, and esp. for older women, but is this true? No, it is not, because the calcium in milk is in a form that is not usuable AS CALCIUM in your body. In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body. And, this makes the milk from this source damaging, ESP. for older women.
#116. To: richard9151 (#109)
In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food, because your body must use calcium from your body in order to neutrilize the calcium from the pasturized food so that it can be expelled from your body.
#117. To: farmfriend (#110)
I would like to see some of those studies.
#118. To: richard9151 (#109)
Iron. Does it matter what form iron is in when you eat it? Silly question, actually, or anyone could simply scrape some rust off of some iron and ingest it. Or is it so silly, because this is more or less what happens when you take any of the major brands of vitamins, because the form of iron that they use is not much different from this extreme example, and, the same thing holds true for any of the vitamins and minerals in major brands of vitamins; none of them are bioavailable, and they are not usuable in your body.
#119. To: richard9151 (#109)
What is the difference? Beef comes from an animal that has 4 stomachs, and which digests their food three times. From this, they create a meat that is formed from a single enzyme, AND WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO BE DIGESTED IN OUR STOMACHS, and, it will not support parasites.
#120. To: YertleTurtle (#1)
People used to think dandelions were weeds.
#121. To: JCHarris (#115)
#122. To: lodwick (#112)
working with a nutritionist on all our herbs and supplements.
#123. To: IndieTX (#121)
Carbon---carbon triple bond: Well..if she's a triple bond, she'll go all the way!
#124. To: JCHarris (#50)
Mankind? Life expectancy somewhere between 19 and 45 years for most of its history.
#125. To: richard9151, JCHarris (#54)
Daniel Boone is a good example; he lived to 89. In fact, if you subtract out those who died from such mundane things as arrows, bullet and knife wounds etc., they had a life expectency not much different from ours.
#126. To: Diana (#125)
I did suspect that mortality rate reflected the large number of small children who died before modern times.
#127. To: richard9151 (#117)
In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#128. To: Diana (#124)
Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?
#129. To: Diana (#124)
1. Doesn't that number reflect the high infant mortality rate for most of history?
#130. To: YertleTurtle, Diana (#126)
People think vaccines saved children. They didn't. Mostly it was better sewage treatment. After the introduction of vaccines of vaccines there was no drop in the death rate.
#131. To: JCHarris, YertleTurtle, Diana (#130)
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#132. To: YertleTurtle (#126)
#133. To: farmfriend, Diana, Yertle Turtle (#131)
#134. To: All (#133)
Chlorination, not the sewerage system, radically attenuated cholera.
#135. To: JCHarris (#130)
That's surprising because the London sewerage system was functioning
#136. To: farmfriend (#131)
Right, the flush toilet really help get rid of polio.
#137. To: YertleTurtle (#136)
and comments like yours only make you look silly.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#138. To: YertleTurtle (#136)
Polio was successfully treated with Vitamin C
#139. To: YertleTurtle (#136)
Please, I know what I'm talking about. I've been studying this stuff for decades, and comments like yours only make you look silly.
#140. To: farmfriend (#137)
#141. To: YertleTurtle (#136)
#142. To: JCHarris (#99)
Fresh churned buttermilk, buttermilk pie and some great chevre could make me forget the steak!
#143. To: ladybug, Diana (#142)
Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.
#144. To: farmfriend (#98)
This true. Two sets of everything.
#145. To: lodwick (#103)
Locally, it's very difficult to find whole buttermilk
#146. To: richard9151 (#109)
In fact, with pasturized milk, the calcium in milk is more like a poisen than a food
#147. To: JCHarris (#140)
Sarcasm is an attempt at passive aggression.
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#148. To: JCHarris (#143)
For you and whatever tribe you belong to....knock yourself out.
#149. To: JCHarris, ladybug (#143)
Steak is fine. Pork steak is not.
#150. To: JCHarris, lodwick (#129)
It wasn't. Unsteady food supply, borderline malnutrition, body-wearing work, parasites from food and water, a grain husk in the intestine !! ,predators, cold, disease, a cut, a splinter, a hair thin fishbone in the throat ( fatal), an absessed tooth, worn out teeth...any weakness and you were a targe...blindness from looking at the sun...simple things like this reduced the adult life expectancy to less than half of today for the greatest expanse of human existence
#151. To: ladybug (#145)
Or just ask Christine where she is getting her milk (it is off the same website).
#152. To: lodwick (#151)
Her guy has a waiting list of over a hundred folks wanting to buy...
#153. To: JCHarris (#119)
"Gastrointestinal nematodes
#154. To: farmfriend (#127)
In fact, studies show that most all Americans have food impacted in their intestines
#155. To: richard9151 (#153)
That may have something to do with why we are not permitted to eat anything from inside of the animal; NO LIVER, NO HEART, NO BLOOD. Never.
#156. To: can of corn (#23)
#157. To: BTP Holdings (#156)
#158. To: can of corn (#157)
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