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Title: Why are Chesapeake rockfish sick?
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URL Source: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/ ... 70610/NEWS/706100385/1006/NEWS
Published: Jun 10, 2007
Author: By KRISTEN WYATT, Associated Press
Post Date: 2007-06-10 08:37:41 by HOUNDDAWG
Keywords: chronic, wasting, disease
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Rockfish with the disease mycobacteriosis can develop lesions and have their scales destroyed. AP/KATHLEEN LANGE OXFORD, Md. -- Biologist Larry Pieper is wearing waterproof overalls and giving dozens of bass from the Chesapeake Bay a tabletop inspection. He's not surprised by what he sees -- many of them look sick. Pieper is part of Maryland's first effort this year to take a new look at a chronic wasting disease in striped bass, commonly called rockfish or stripers. Mycobacteriosis, also known as "myco" or fish handler's disease, can slowly eat away at a fish's scales. It can leave nasty lesions and kill the striped bass, the hallmark fish of the Chesapeake Bay. Beyond that, scientists don't know enough about the disease to know how worried they should be. "We know a whole lot of nothing," Pieper said after examining 80 striped bass, noting lesions and little brown specks that suggest the bacteria are present. Myco is usually harmless to humans, as long as anglers wash their hands after handling infected fish. However, scientists are startled by the bacteria's spread through the region. State biologists in Maryland and Virginia say that about 60 percent of the bass in the Chesapeake, where most of the East Coast's striped bass come to spawn, are now infected. But scientists aren't entirely sure whether myco kills all striped bass that get it, or whether some striped bass recover, and why. It's not clear how myco spreads, nor why the disease has increased sharply in recent years. It could be that there are simply more bass in the bay. After overharvesting nearly wiped out the striped bass, a fishing ban in the 1980s led to a remarkable rebound in the species, with fishing now allowed. Another suggestion is that more bass are getting sick because they're weakened by low food supplies, or because low oxygen levels in cold water drive them to warmer water, where they're more vulnerable to disease. "When we started, there was lots of anecdotal information, lots of impressions, but nobody knows" exactly how the disease behaves or how it affects the fish, said John Hoenig, a researcher with the Virginia Institute of Marine Science in Gloucester Point, Va. Bounty hunters To find answers about the bacteria, biologists are trying a new method to learn about it. Maryland's Department of Natural Resources, along with a federal research group, started a new kind of tagging project this spring. The research differs from traditional tagging because anglers are asked not just to call the number on the tag and report where and when they caught the fish, but to keep the fish on ice. Fishermen who do so get a $20 bounty, plus authorities will come pick up the fish. On a tagging trip last week, 11 Maryland biologists tagged and examined 80 fish. Pieper looked at each fish and announced its condition to a notetaker -- "The left side is clear," he called, or, "We have healing on the right-side fin." Then the fish went to a white piece of wood for several photographs on each side, plus close-up shots of any lesions. After a few moments on board, the tagged fish were tossed back into the Chesapeake. Scientists hope that when anglers catch the tagged fish months or years from now, they'll be able to match the fish to their original pictures. "Some of the fish that didn't look so good, they may come back in a year and be healed. We just don't know yet," Pieper said. Economic impact Virginia has been doing this type of work for two years, tagging 6,700 bass since 2005, but this is Maryland's first year joining the effort. The research could yield lucrative findings. Recreational fishing in Maryland is an industry valued at more than $300 million a year, by state estimates. Unsightly lesions on striped bass and public worries about catching fish handler's disease can harm charter boat captains and commercial fishermen who depend on the fish for their livelihoods. The research could prompt fishery managers to cap harvests or make other arrangements to help the population thrive despite the bacteria. It's a new approach for officials used to considering only catch data when surveying a fish population. "Historically in fisheries, fishing is the problem," Hoenig said. When disease hits, he added, "We're sort of unprepared for that." Figuring out clues DNR biologist Kevin Rosemary, photographer for the striped bass, said that the research could prove valuable even if most fish don't get caught and called in. Dead fish are usually gobbled up quickly by other critters, so if the returned fish in Maryland's study were more likely to be disease-free when tagged, that could mean the sick fish were more likely to die. "We're hoping to learn if fish die of myco or not," Rosemary said. He said Maryland hopes to tag 1,000 striped bass this year, some in the spring and then again in the fall. Already the effort has yielded some clues. Hoenig said that when Virginia started its tagging, some people were critical because myco is always fatal in captive fish. Turns out, striped bass in the wild can live years with the bacteria, some plump and alert despite being mottled with lesions. "Some people said it was silly because we're going to tag them, and then they're all going to die," Hoenig said. Now, as scientists learn more about how the bacteria affects the beloved striped bass, the next step could be clues for how to deal with mycobacteriosis. "It's hard to convince people to take action if we can't demonstrate that there's problem," he said. WANTED: STRIPED BASS WEARING GREEN TAGS WANTED: Striped bass, also called rockfish or stripers, with a small green tag to report the catch. THE CRIME: Scientists want to know more about mycobacteriosis, a mysterious wasting disease that now infects more than half the Chesapeake Bay's striped bass. Not all the tagged fish have the bacteria. But healthy fish are wanted, too, to see if they've stayed healthy since Maryland biologists tagged them or if they had the bacteria but recovered. THE EVIDENCE: Some striped bass with the bacteria have mottled scales, or even nasty lesions. Some infected fish have tiny brown dots on some scales. Some infected fish show no outer signs of disease. The bacteria is usually harmless to humans, and if your poor hand-washing skills lead to an infection, the disease is easily treated with antibiotics. In rare cases of untreated mycobacteriosis, arthritis-like symptoms can result. THE REWARD: Anglers get $5 for calling in a catch, or $20 if they keep the fish on ice for scientists to retrieve. Source: Maryland Department of Natural Resources
Poster Comment: When I was a kid my dad would wake my brother and I in the middle of the night so we could be on the fishing pier at Ocean View before sunrise. This pier at the mouth of the Chesapeake bay is one of my fondest memories because it wasn't unusual to catch 100 pan sized spot and croaker, give 60 away and take 40 or so home for a breakfast fish fry. If you've never eaten a fresh (never frozen) ocean fish then you're letting the best of life pass you by. But, in the mid 1970's a corporate type was convicted of the crime of dumping Kepone (a poison) into the James River which then proceeded to poison the fin and shellfish in the bay and leading to a years-long moratorium on their harvest. This was the first time someone went to jail for an environmental crime, and the impact on the bay and fishing was immediately obvious. Gone were the days of pulling up young pan fish two at a time, and my soul and the bay are forever damaged. They still monitor the waters near the bridge tunnel (connecting Hampton and Norfolk) because of the very real threat that hurricanes may release sequestered Kepone. The mighty striped bass is also a favorite fish here in DE river, where the migration alternates with the Chesapeake bay depending on unknown factors that determine the fish's choice of routes every spawning season. The Chesapeake bay and the Delaware river are connected by the C&D canal on the north end of the bay, so a problem with Chesapeake bay rockfish is a problem with Delaware rockfish. What I wouldn't give to have lived when the Dutch landed here and the English landed in Jamestown, when clams were so thick that one could rake them from the clear waters all day every day non stop. My soul is in agony when I read these stories. Words fail me beyond a mere account of the evidence of a crime for which there is no suitable punishment. And, when Native Americans say that we whites have destroyed the land I have no answer....
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#1. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
I wonder if there is any connection between this and the bacteria that caused shell rot in New England lobsters a few years ago. It's probably a different germ (and a different region), but both are probably caused by some contaminant that weakens the immune systems of both fish and lobsters to make them susceptible.
As you know the zebra mussel is now clogging intakes in the Delaware river (Like at the Salem Nuclear Generating Facility) because of ballast taken on in the Great Lakes and dumped here. It's quite possible that your suspicions are correct because of the way ships transport and relocate critters in ballast tanks.
I have to agree...
none at all, bump
I have to agree... none at all bump.... I'm not one to beat up on white folks or embrace the poor, downtrodden Native American for the sake of earning the favor of young, braless hippy chix. (anymore) But, when it comes to my beloved Chesapeake bay, the C&D canal where my dear father ran his seagoing tug to and from Edgemoor, DE and/or Philadelphia and our home in Norfolk, the Delaware river where I live now (and where we recently defeated a Dupont Co. plan to dump partially neutralized VX nerve gas into the river not five miles from here) and when I see the warning signs that advise consumption of no more than 8 ounces (one fish fillet) a year for non pregnant consumers of the fish taken this far up the river, well, it just makes me want to beat the living DAWGGY poo out of someone. One mile away is the Christina river (named after the Queen of Sweden) and around 1900 the industrial dumping began there, and it is now a major SUPERFUND SITE. The remediation cost multi millions, precludes any future dredging or consumption of fish from the once pristine river, and if G_d is watching then he knows who continued the dumping even after being made aware of its consequences.
Many have not been good stewards of our resources, while many others have been down-right criminal in their destruction and abuse. The use of DU today is simply appalling to me: will anyone every be held to task for this war crime?
The use of DU today is simply appalling to me: will anyone every be held to task for this war crime? Americans have been "bred down" to a point where thinking outside the playpen of FOX NEWS is beyond the capabilities of the ninety percentile. If we someday find ourselves surrounded by bands of mutant cannibals who glow in the dark, the govt will tell the survivors that it was caused by environmentalists who insisted on mulching and recycling, and the people will believe it....
LOL Did grad time on the Chesapeake also with the CBF and a good friend is head of it... biggest pollutants...~90% are from your unregulated farm pollution coming from your "good old timey" Amish and their farming practices coupled to a lobby PA does not want to deal with. Period! The Susquehanna is the major input into the Chesapeake Bay which has been dead for three decades that I know of. From far north of Shamokin Dam into New York State and through Pennsylvania, farmland drains unimpeded into the river. Bottom seining does not help the bay as it is like a lawnmower cutting everything from the bottom up. Nor do the airplane-directed menhaden fleets out of Fleetwood VA do the system any good. The primary problem of the Chesapeake is oxygen deprivation caused by nitrates and phosphates from Pennsylvania uneducated and allowed farming practices which cause an algal/planktonic bloom which first makes the water less transparent and kills the eelgrass etc on the bottom which in concert with the plankton cycle all dies at once, sinks to the bottom, decays, thus sucking up all the oxygen which kills the fish, crabs, oysters, clams etc and the young....or if not killed they find little to eat since the eelgrass is gone thus no oxygen replenishment. This was and is the problem then and now. The guts to change are lacking in the politicians who know what I say here is true and have not and will not do anything constructive about it and continue to pay their mouthpieces and hired " scientists" to spout garbage always sounding like... It ain't OUR fault...its them dirty old .... ( pick one, whichever whipping boy is popular at the moment to save the pols sorry asses).
I don't hear much intelligible coming from Native Americans these days, whether the Pamunkey, Mattaponi, Apache, Sasanich, Mohawks, or Senecas.... except... Mo Mo Mo Ca sin O
Period! Perhaps your study was intended to ignore the 4 billion dollar per year chicken industry on the DeMarVa peninsula. Tyson has enough pull in my state guarantee a chicken-friendly DNR. And, any attempt to to make the growers pay even partially for the remediation of the millions of tons of chicken manure is met with howls of protest which our general assembly doesn't ever want to hear. Edit: it should come as no surprise to anyone that the one group that doesn't grease politicians or participate in the political process is blamed for the whole mess...
Another wonderful effect of gloablism, free trade and illegal immigration. The corporofascist who got a jail term should have gotten life in prison. And Tyson has been on my no-buy boycott list since he paid skads of money to the Klinton campaign.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition No, I am not forgetting that. However: 1. Half the DelMarVa rivers flow into the Atlantic, not the Chesapeake. 2. All the DelMarVa rivers together are a bare fraction of the Susquehanna input. 3. The Susquehanna remains the major source of pollutants, and they are famnland pollutants, that poisoned the Chesapeake bay by 1970.
Another wonderful effect of gloablism, free trade and illegal immigration. The corporofascist who got a jail term should have gotten life in prison. Funny you should say that. In my newspaper column years ago I wrote that "I hope he's still in prison singing, "Nobody knows da trouble I've seen, nobody knows, but Jesus...."
and who is that pray tell! The slimy politicians in Virginia Maryland and Pennsylvania banned all phosphate containing detergents in those state at a cost to the Virginia citizens alone of arounf $30 million a year and a proportionately larger amount for the other states. This widely touted and backslapping "REMEDY" was performed by the shills and their minions when the total input of phosphates from the COMBINED citizen use of soap PLUS municipal sewerage in toto was less than 3% of the phosphate input into the Chesapeake Bay. The 97% farmland input , the elephant in the room, was conveniently ignored as the green shills gloated....Save the Bay my ass, that bunch of leftists has done more to totally destroy the bay than any group I know. This thimble and pea trick screwed the unknowing and gullible citizen and allowed the POLS to screech " Look whut we done fer YOU and dem little fishes!!!" while the bay became more like a lifeless desert.
I don't want to shoot from the hip so, I just say this for now. The delicate estuaries of the bay still produce an abundance of blue crabs, and the fishing on the Susquehanna Flats is still wonderful. When has a red tide or algae bloom resulted in a Chesapeake bay fish kill?
"all the time" - me Bay's 'dead zone' is back Pamela Wood - The Capital John Page Williams of the Chesapeake Bay Foundation checks oxygen levels in the Severn River Friday, finding low levels in deep waters. Lack of oxygen kills animals in water By PAMELA WOOD, Staff Writer Once again, this summer could be a tough one for the Chesapeake Bay's critters. There are indications that the oxygen-deprived "dead zone" is starting to make its annual appearance. While it's not surprising, it's yet another bad sign for the bay. "All living resources - crabs, fish, oysters, clams - they need oxygen to survive," said Bruce Michael of the Maryland Department of Natural Resources. When there's not enough oxygen, crabs and fish scuttle and look for better places to live. They can become susceptible to illness. And critters that live at the bottom and can't move, such as oysters, can die from lack of oxygen. Bobbing on his Boston Whaler in the middle of the Severn River yesterday afternoon, John Page Williams of the Chesapeake Bay Foundation could see the effects of the dead zone clear as day on his fish finder. From the surface down to 10 feet, there were plenty of little squiggles indicating fish. Below that - almost no fish. Mr. Williams then dropped a handheld meter in the water. At approximately 13 feet, the meter read an oxygen level of 3 mg/liter. While that's not great, that's enough oxygen for shellfish and some fish. Ideal readings are 5 mg/liter or greater. Then at nearly 20 feet, the meter read 0.6 mg/liter - a level of oxygen so low that almost nothing can survive. "That's bad," he said. Mr. Williams said he thinks its a bit early in the year to get such readings. He thinks the oxygen-deprived zone is shallower than in years past, too. The Severn Riverkeeper Program's water monitoring crew is seeing similar numbers. Riverkeeper intern Annelies Jane de Groot said there are "disappointingly low" oxygen levels around the entire river. "It seems that oxygen is not permeating the Severn below 4 meters in depth," she said. Four meters is roughly 13 feet. It's a similar case on the South River, where riverkeeper Drew Koslow said that seven of his 14 monitoring sites had readings below 5 mg/liter. At this time last year, five of his sites were that low. Further south, the readings aren't encouraging in the West and Rhode rivers either, according to riverkeeper Bob Gallagher. While the open areas of the rivers are doing well, the oxygen levels in the creeks and near shore are poor. "We're seeing readings that seem to be lower than recent years," he said. "It's a little surprising to see this early in the year." A broader monitoring program is finding evidence of the dead zone out in the open bay as well. "This is the time of year we do experience low dissolved oxygen," said Mr. Michael of the DNR. Two baywide monitoring cruises in May showed low oxygen areas starting around the Bay Bridge, Mr. Michael said. As the summer goes on, it's likely to get worse, he said. "If it stays hot and sunny, this sets up and stays anoxic during the summer," he said. Later this month, officials will unveil a summer forecast for the bay that will call for an average dead zone. The forecast is put out annually by the federal-state Chesapeake Bay Program, the DNR and the University of Maryland. While the dead zone might come out as average, that's not good enough for Mr. Williams and the Chesapeake Bay Foundation. CBF wants more focus on reducing the harmful nutrients that flow into the bay and cause the algae blooms that suck oxygen from the water. "Is it better or worse? I don't give a damn. It's just bad," Mr. Williams said as he turned the Whaler back toward shore. "Even if it's average," he added, "average stinks."
" While the open areas of the rivers are doing well, the oxygen levels in the creeks and near shore are poor."
Amen!
Note the date.... and.... "benthic decay of organic detritus accumulated from plankton blooms of the previous summer and fall" benthic is bottom Science 6 January 1984: Vol. 223. no. 4631, pp. 22 - 27 DOI: 10.1126/science.223.4631.22 Chesapeake Bay Anoxia: Origin, Development, and Significance Charles B. Officer 1, Robert B. Biggs 2, Jay L. Taft 3, L. Eugene Cronin 4, Mary A. Tyler 5, and Walter R. Boynton 6 1 Research professor in the Department of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth College, Hanover, New Hampshire 03755. 2 Associate professor at the College of Marine Studies, University of Delaware, Newark 19711. 3 Director of administration at Harvard University Herbaria, Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02138. 4 Director of Chesapeake Research Consortium, Shady Side, Maryland 20764. 5 Assistant professor at the College of Marine Studies, University of Delaware, Newark. 6 Associate professor at Chesapeake Biological Laboratories, University of Maryland, Solomons 20688. Anoxia occurs annually in deeper waters of the central portion of the Chesapeake Bay and presently extends from Baltimore to the mouth of the Potomac estuary. This condition, which encompasses some 5 billion cubic meters of water and lasts from May to September, is the result of increased stratification of the water column in early spring, with consequent curtailment of reoxygenation of the bottom waters across the halocline, and benthic decay of organic detritus accumulated from plankton blooms of the previous summer and fall. The Chesapeake Bay anoxia appears to have had significant ecological effects on many marine species, including several of economic importance.
all the time BTW the process is called eutrophication . Wiki may have a section on this. I have not looked. You may well find it very interesting.
I'm in a realllllly generous mood today, dawgie...........you can have every fishie in the seas/oceans/rivers/brooks/creeks/criks/bayous/fish tank that could conceivably have my name written on it! Yuck......... That said, I do like tuna sandwiches with lots of 'stuff' in it. :)
God keeps track of this stuff, don't kid yourself........'pissin' in His universe is not wise, IMO.....stewards, and we all are, are responsible for what we do.
IIRC, there was a Swedish colony in the Delaware area, mid 1600s...would have to look back thru my genealogy notes. I have an ancestor I'm trying to find who was born in Delaware and moved to NY, and came across that bit of info. I think most people have no idea regarding that bit of history.
Awe, c'mon, DAWGIE......you can do better than that. Like this: If we someday find ourselves surrounded by bands of mutant cannibals who glow in the dark, the govt will tell the survivors that it was caused by
Looks like there's more evidence here of spiroplamas in the environment that weren't there before. How do you think they got there?
I haven't a clue they are there.
Cobia. 35 lbs. Right out of the Atlantic 100 miles out of Wilmington NC; started real charcoal before I even prepared the fish, hosed down the boat at our townhouse and called a fvew more friends to join in; two inch thick steaks, pure white , only basted with Italian dressing and quick grilled just to flakiness. Corn on the cob, yeast rolls, tossed baby greens, lightly steamed summer squash and a fabulous Ferrari Fume' Blanc One dude brought a fresh churning oak tub of homemade real lemons ice cream. HOUNDAWG you should have not brought up that recollection.
That trench off Annapolis is 100 feet deep, and nothing can live there. But, fishers won't allow dredge spoils to be dumped there. According to the Army Corps of Engineers Environmental Impact Report on the proposed deepening and widening of the channels, this trench has always been a dead zone. So, what evidence have you that this is anything other than the normal cycle caused by the normal "decay of organic detritus accumulated from plankton blooms of the previous summer and fall"?
give me a break...give it up...just look at the harvests of anything you want to look up...that alone tells the story.
JC... Uneducated???? One should also scan the HUMAN pressure on Chesapeake Bay, those being by the MILLIONS living on and near the Bay. Former MD resident.
When visiting my uncle in Oregon (early 70s) we had some salmon, fresh caught, grilled like steaks. I've never had the like again.
Former MD resident. Cynicom That has been and is constantly done and still the vast majority of pollutants come from the Amish farmland and are transported by the Susquehanna with the others from the James to the Patuxent adding to the load.
Buy WILD SALMON from a reputable store like Wegman's or Harris Teeter. Grill it yourself basted just in a little Italian dressing. Hot and quick do not dry out. Tastes completely different from the farmed stuff. If you like a milder fish, find Char !
The Bay is famous for its rockfish, also known as striped bass. Once on the verge of extinction, rockfish have made a significant comeback and are now able to be fished in strictly controlled and limited quantities. The Bay serves as the predominate source of eel in the United States. In 2005, local governments began debate on the introduction to certain parts of the Bay of a species of asian oyster, to revive the lagging shellfish industry. Deteriorating environmental conditions In the 1970s, the Chesapeake Bay contained one of the planet's first identified marine dead zones, where hypoxic waters were so depleted in oxygen they were unable to support life, resulting in massive fish kills. Large algae blooms, nourished by the runoff of farm and industrial waste throughout the watershed, prevent sunlight from reaching the bottom of the Bay. The resulting loss of marine vegetation has depleted the habitat for many of the Bay's animal creatures. One particularly harmful algae is Pfiesteria piscicida, which can affect both fish and humans. The depletion of oysters due to overharvesting and damaged habitat has had a particularly harmful effect on the quality of the Bay. The Bay's oyster industry has also suffered from two diseases: MSX and dermo. Oysters serve as natural water filters, and their decline has further reduced the water quality of the Bay. Water that was once clear for metres is now so turbid that a wader may lose sight of his feet before his knees are wet. Efforts of federal, state and local governments, working in partnership through the Chesapeake Bay Program, and the Chesapeake Bay Foundation and other nonprofit environmental groups, to restore or at least maintain the current water quality have had mixed results. One particular obstacle to cleaning up the Bay is that much of the polluting substances arise far upstream in tributaries lying within states far removed from the Bay itself. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Speaking as a Great Lakes denizen, the zebra mussels got here from ballast from Asian freighters. I doubt anyone picked them up here; the animal is already present in most vessels that visit the Asian region. The Great Lakes coalition just passed a law against emptying ballast in the Great Lakes region, but it's probably too late. Lake Michigan is already, due to the clams, too clean. They've found ways, temporarily, to introduce food to support the food chain, but them mussels suck up everything in their path, so the smaller fish starve, then the bigger ones do, etc. I remember visiting the Chesapeake region when I was a kid, in the 70s, and it was almost desolate. Now it's so overgrown with McMansions and condos, it's no surprise the ecosystem is trashed. It's a pretty delicate system, and not meant to become an urban area. The coasts of Virginia and the Carolinas are being similarly stressed to death. There's a lot of pressure here in Chicago and the northern suburbs to not only end building on the coast of Lake Michigan, but to buy back the aging skyscrapers they built in the 60s and turn the coast low-rise with much lower population density. Again, probably too late; the fish population here is constantly declining.
Ah yes, that terrible person that lives upstream. Having lived on the Bay before it became so polluted and also after, I understand why it is easier to point the finger at the few that live far away. Paving over the land near the Bay and installing millions of people with little regard for the Bay has had just a tad to do with the pollution. Dumping into and around the Bay of all manners of substances for many years has been cumulative. Are there now more or fewer cows upstream than any time in the last 100 years? More or fewer farms? Are there more or fewer people living in the watershed, particularly close to the Bay? Where I once lived was vast open stretches of farmland, lots of cows, now that is gone and we have wall to wall people by the hundreds of thousands, each and everyone adding to the problems of the Bay.
You do know what causes wasting diseases, otherwise known as Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies (TCE), right?
Strangely folded proteinaceous templates.
Well most researchers are fairly certain that the cause is spiroplasmas, and that prions are just a protein shed by the spiroplasma, and not the cause itself, but an indication of infection.
Spiroplasm a & Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies
In my humble opinion, Bastian was de-bunked a decade ago.
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#2. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#1)
I wonder if there is any connection between this and the bacteria that caused shell rot in New England lobsters a few years ago. It's probably a different germ (and a different region), but both are probably caused by some contaminant that weakens the immune systems of both fish and lobsters to make them susceptible.
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
And, when Native Americans say that we whites have destroyed the land I have no answer....
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#4. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
And, when Native Americans say that we whites have destroyed the land I have no answer....
#5. To: who knows what evil, lodwick (#3)
And, when Native Americans say that we whites have destroyed the land I have no answer....
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG.WKWE. all (#5)
#7. To: lodwick (#6)
Many have not been good stewards of our resources, while many others have been down-right criminal in their destruction and abuse.
#8. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, FormerLurker, IndieTx, farmfriend, lodwick (#5)
I'm not one to beat up on white folks or embrace the poor, downtrodden Native American for the sake of earning the favor of young, braless hippy chix. (anymore)
#9. To: who knows what evil, HOUNDDAWG (#3)
And, when Native Americans say that we whites have destroyed the land I have no answer....
#10. To: JCHarris (#8)
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biggest pollutants...~90% are from your unregulated farm pollution coming from your "good old timey" Amish and their farming practices coupled to a lobby PA does not want to deal with.
#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)
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As you know the zebra mussel is now clogging intakes in the Delaware river (Like at the Salem Nuclear Generating Facility) because of ballast taken on in the Great Lakes and dumped here.
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
Perhaps your study was intended to ignore the 4 billion dollar per year chicken industry on the DeMarVa peninsula.
#13. To: IndieTX (#11)
As you know the zebra mussel is now clogging intakes in the Delaware river (Like at the Salem Nuclear Generating Facility) because of ballast taken on in the Great Lakes and dumped here.
#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
it should come as no surprise to anyone that the one group that doesn't grease politicians or participate in the political process is blamed for the whole mess...
#15. To: JCHarris (#12)
#16. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
When has a red tide or algae bloom resulted in a Chesapeake bay fish kill?-Houndawg
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
The delicate estuaries of the bay still produce an abundance of blue crabs, and the fishing on the Susquehanna Flats is still wonderful.
#18. To: JCHarris (#8)
The guts to change are lacking in the politicians who know what I say here is true and have not and will not do anything constructive about it
It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend (#15)
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
When has a red tide or algae bloom resulted in a Chesapeake bay fish kill?
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
If you've never eaten a fresh (never frozen) ocean fish then you're letting the best of life pass you by.
#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
One mile away is the Christina river (named after the Queen of Sweden) and around 1900 the industrial dumping began there, and it is now a major SUPERFUND SITE.
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG, lodwick (#7)
If we someday find ourselves surrounded by bands of mutant cannibals who glow in the dark, the govt will tell the survivors that it was caused by environmentalists who insisted on mulching and recycling, and the people will believe it....
environmentalists who insisted on mulching and recycling terrorists who hate us for our freedoms, and the people will believe it....
#25. To: JCHarris (#8)
Pieper is part of Maryland's first effort this year to take a new look at a chronic wasting disease in striped bass, commonly called rockfish or stripers.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
If you've never eaten a fresh (never frozen) ocean fish then you're letting the best of life pass you by.
#28. To: JCHarris (#19)
Anoxia occurs annually in deeper waters of the central portion of the Chesapeake Bay and presently extends from Baltimore to the mouth of the Potomac estuary.
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
#30. To: JCHarris (#8)
from Pennsylvania uneducated
#31. To: JCHarris (#27)
#32. To: Cynicom (#30)
One should also scan the HUMAN pressure on Chesapeake Bay, those being by the MILLIONS living on and near the Bay.
#33. To: DeaconBenjamin (#31)
When visiting my uncle in Oregon (early 70s) we had some salmon, fresh caught, grilled like steaks. I've never had the like again.
#34. To: JCHarris (#33)
The word Chesepiooc is an Algonquian word meaning "Great Shellfish Bay." The Bay was once known for its great seafood production, especially blue crabs, clams and oysters. The plentiful oyster harvests led to the development of the Skipjack, the State Boat of Maryland, which is the only remaining working boat type in the United States still under sail power. Today, the body of water is less productive than it used to be, because of runoff from urban areas (mostly on the western shore) and farms (especially on the eastern shore), overharvesting, and invasion of foreign species. The bay though, still yields more fish and shellfish (about 45,000 short tons or 40 000 tonnes yearly) than any other estuary in the United States.
#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)
#36. To: IndieTX (#34)
One particular obstacle to cleaning up the Bay is that much of the polluting substances arise far upstream in tributaries lying within states far removed from the Bay itself.
#37. To: JCHarris (#26)
I haven't a clue they are there.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)
#39. To: JCHarris (#38)
Strangely folded proteinaceous templates.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#40. To: JCHarris (#38)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#41. To: FormerLurker (#40)
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