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Title: Oxygen trick could see organic costs tumble
Source: EurekAlert
URL Source: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-06/soci-otc060607.php
Published: Jun 10, 2007
Author: SCI Press Office
Post Date: 2007-06-11 12:51:04 by farmfriend
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Keywords: organic, agriculture
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Oxygen trick could see organic costs tumble

Contact: SCI Press Office
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Society of Chemical Industry

A simple, cheap treatment using just oxygen could allow growers to store organic produce for longer and go a long way towards reducing the price of organic fruit and vegetables, reports Lisa Richards in Chemistry & Industry, the magazine of the SCI.

Currently UK shoppers have to pay twice as much for some organic products. Organic apples, for example, are around double the price of conventionally grown apples in Sainbury’s, Waitrose and Tesco.

One of the major contributing factors affecting the price is the short shelf life of organic produce. Conventional produce can be treated with inexpensive chemicals to aid preservation. But these cannot be used for organic produce, as by definition no artificial chemicals are used during processing.

‘With some organic fruit and veg, there can be large losses [during storage],’ Claudia Ruane, spokes person for Abel & Cole organic produce retailers told C&I. Ruane explained that although many organic farms do have reasonably sophisticated refrigeration units, there are very expensive and used only for brief storage before collection. ‘These are important and costly but if paying out for these facilities can ensure a whole crop is not rejected by a retailer because it is a little limp or dehydrated, then it is a cost that has to be absorbed,’ she said.

Edna Pesis and her team at the Volcani Center, Israel, have devised what they expect to be an effective and cheap technique to keep apples in cold storage for longer. A simple week long pre-treatment with low levels of oxygen at 20ºC was shown to prevent scald formation - a type of chilling injury associated with prolonged cold storage. Pesis said that 90% of the treated apples were ‘saved from the scald problem in addition to other physiological diseases,’ after eight months of cold storage. (Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture DOI: 10.1002/jsfa2873). 100% of untreated apples were lost after eight months.

Pesis says that the technique can be tweaked for use with avocados, tomatoes and other organic produce.

Although price is an issue, organic produce is becoming more and more attractive to the consumer because of increasing evidence that it may be the healthier option. Organic peppers for example have been found to have 33% and 26% higher levels of vitamin C and phenolic compunds, respectively, than conventional peppers(JSFA DOI: 10.1002/jsfa2966). A recent study also revealed organic kiwifruit to be healthier than conventional (DOI 10.1002/jsfa.2820; C&I Issue 8 March 2007).


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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)

Although price is an issue, organic produce is becoming more and more attractive to the consumer because of increasing evidence that it may be the healthier option.

No s---, Sherlock? Bump

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richard9151  posted on  2007-06-11   13:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: farmfriend (#0)

Organic peppers for example have been found to have 33% and 26% higher levels of vitamin C and phenolic compunds, respectively, than conventional peppers(JSFA DOI: 10.1002/jsfa2966).

Oh goodie. I grow those, too.

And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-06-11   13:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend (#0)

Good information for us - thank you.

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Lod  posted on  2007-06-11   13:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: farmfriend (#0)

low levels of oxygen

What the hell is a "low level of oxygen"?

Last time I looked the Earth's atmosphere had a HIGH level of oxygen measuring around 21% !!

This is why I stay away from the "health food merchants"... they remind me too much of the Tribe.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-11   13:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend (#0)

But is treating food with extra oxygen still considered organic practice?

Food spoilage occurs because bacteria starts eating it, which happens because the food is real food. If you do something to the food so the bacteria doesn't like it anymore, is it still something that's healthy for us?

Maybe the conventional food can switch from weird chemicals to O2, but this ought to be checked out for organic quality standards and not assumed.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2007-06-11   13:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: JCHarris (#4)

This is why I stay away from the "health food merchants"...

I prefer such merchants to the medical merchants and corporate food merchants.

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2007-06-11   13:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Neil McIver (#6)

Many people do...but GIGO..

in too many cases for me,

the premise and detail is always lacking or just does not make any sense.

besides I know too many good old boys riding the "organic revolution" ( I live in a very liberal town that prides itself on being suckered for GREEN) who laugh all the way to the bank by providing custom "organic" to various outlets and home deliveries that is the same old stuff as grown for the last 30 years but at prices that makes even them blanch.

Check Whole Foods for example and see how little of their food is "organic" .

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-11   13:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Neil McIver (#5)

Food spoilage occurs because bacteria starts eating it

Not for fruits...

ethylene or ethane is the usual culprit followed by decay

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-11   13:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#3)

Good information for us - thank you.

You're welcome.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-11   13:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: JCHarris (#4)

This is why I stay away from the "health food merchants"... they remind me too much of the Tribe.

snickering


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-11   13:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Neil McIver (#5)

But is treating food with extra oxygen still considered organic practice?

I would think so. It's natural!


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-11   13:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Neil McIver (#5)

I think this is an artificial atmosphere, mainly nitrogen, to inhibit oxidation and bacterial growth. The U.S. has a technology that packs produce under pressure in a low-ox environment. The pressure kills the pathogens and the low-ox keeps new ones from forming as the food breaks down. There's a similar technology for meat.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-06-11   13:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: JCHarris (#4)

Last time I looked the Earth's atmosphere had a HIGH level of oxygen measuring around 21% !!

Raised over time by comet/asteroid hits. With each increase came a dramatic increase in the abundance and variety of life.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-11   13:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#11)

I would think so. It's natural!

So is crude oil!

Pinguinite.com

Neil McIver  posted on  2007-06-11   13:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: bluedogtxn (#2)

Oh goodie. I grow those, too.

I grow my own - Organically. Along with Tomatoes, Melons of various kinds, Lettuce, Beans, and other vegetables. It pays to be a gourmet gardener.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-11   13:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)

I grow my own - Organically. Along with Tomatoes, Melons of various kinds, Lettuce, Beans, and other vegetables. It pays to be a gourmet gardener.

You can control bugs with crop rotation, you can get good growth with good irrigation practices and you can compost your inedible biomass so next year's crop is greener than this year's, every year.

I'm a big fan of home gardening. I'm converting a new section of my lawn to garden this fall, and next year I'm going to have to learn canning or lose a lot of good food. Anyone who thinks this is hard work hasn't tried it, frankly.

And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-06-11   14:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Neil McIver (#14)

So is crude oil!

So is arsenic. You won't see me touting organic.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-11   14:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Neil McIver, armfriend (#5)

Oxygen kills bacteria and cancer cells on contact which is why Oxygen is used in alternative medical treatments. That is what they are probably doing here. They are killing off the bugs. I have heard of people storing food in sealed bins with dry ice which evaporates and also kills off the bugs. I have been thinking of building my own place in the country as an alternative to fleeing overseas just prior to the collapse.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-06-11   16:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Melons of various kinds, Lettuce, Beans, and other vegetables.

Do you have any preventative for cucumber beetle for the melons? Also, do you fertilize your melons in any way?

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-06-11   19:34:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

Anyone who thinks this is hard work hasn't tried it, frankly.

Hell yes it is hard work. Hoeing, tilling, weeding,composting, growing, planting ,harvesting, packing for market, dealing with weather losses, bugs, frost, storage...it's pretty friggin hard in my book.

Worth it, yes, but it can be hard work.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-06-11   19:37:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: angle (#19)

Do you have any preventative for cucumber beetle for the melons?

Organically:
Apply parasitic nematodes to the soil around the melons once a week. This will destroy the larvae before they become adults, which is the best preventative.

Non-organically (which can be done, and still CALLED organic by USDA standards - which is why I wouldn't spend extra money on buying anything labeled "USDA CERTIFIED ORGANIC"):
Spray with pyrethrin.

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-12   9:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

and next year I'm going to have to learn canning or lose a lot of good food. Anyone who thinks this is hard work hasn't tried it, frankly.

The actual gardening part really isn't too bad as far as "hard work" is concerned. The REAL work is the canning part!

Don't overlook freezing for storage. Many things store very well in the freezer (though not everything), and it's much less time-consuming. Corn is too easy, all I do is pick it and throw the sackfulls in a chest-type freezer! The shucks themselves are very effective at preventing freezer-burn...

Get a copy of the Ball Blue Book. It's a very comprehensive guide to home canning, freezing, and dehydrating.

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-12   9:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#15)

It pays to be a gourmet gardener.

It sure does!

We grow ONLY heirloom varieties (absolutely NO hybrids). This allows us to save seeds for the next year's crops (ALL heirlooms are open-pollinated varieties, but not all open-pollinated varieties are heirloom - seed can be saved from ANY open-pollinated variety). There are many heirloom varieties which are nearly impossible to find for sale, even at a farmer's market.

We have things like white tomatoes (which are a little "sweeter" than most other tomatoes), purple tomatoes (which are "spicier"), purple carrots (again, spicier - as a rule of thumb, purple veggies are "spicier" than their conventional counterparts), strawberry spinach (which isn't a true spinach, but tastes very similar), and Hopi Indian corn which is a blue colored "dent" corn - not "sweet" like Golden Bantam or Country Gentleman (both of which we also have, GB is a yellow corn, CG is a white shoepeg variety) - BUT is very high in protein and nutrition in general; and makes excellent cornmeal (which we grind ourselves)...

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-12   9:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: bluedogtxn (#16)

You can control bugs with crop rotation, you can get good growth with good irrigation practices and you can compost your inedible biomass so next year's crop is greener than this year's, every year.

I'm a big fan of home gardening. I'm converting a new section of my lawn to garden this fall, and next year I'm going to have to learn canning or lose a lot of good food. Anyone who thinks this is hard work hasn't tried it, frankly.

That's the ticket. I compost all sorts of stuff (no meat or dairy though as it draws vermin and can poison the compost pile).

Another good option is dehydrating - at 115 F or below to preserve the full food value. Then I vaccuum pack it an freeze it. It will keep for years that way, and if you lose power it still has a long shelf life.

Romas are good for dehydrating, but even better, although not as well known, is Principe Borghese which is the true tomato used for making Sundried Tomatoes. They are easy to grow and very productive.

You can dehydrate about any vegetable but some work better if they are blanched in boiling water and then dehydrated - Broccoli and Pole Beans come to mind.

You can also set up a Postage Stamp Orchard by using dwarf Apple Trees, Cherries, and Pears (fresh Pears are my favorite fruit). A good source is Raintree Nursery.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-13   1:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: angle (#19)

Do you have any preventative for cucumber beetle for the melons? Also, do you fertilize your melons in any way?

I have never had trouble with beetles so have not had to worry about them. However, NEEM Oil is supposed to work. Check out the Peaceful Valley Farm Supply Web Site for Organic Pest Controls.

As far as fertilizers go I like Chicken Manure, and Bat Guano. I also use a full spectrum Organic Fertilizer. Dr. Earth is my favorite - it uses quality ingredients and no fillers.

I may try some of that "Protogrow" that I have been hearing advertised on the radio - although it is a bit pricey and I try to operate economically so that I come out money ahead on what I invest in my garden.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-13   2:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: innieway (#23)

It pays to be a gourmet gardener.

It sure does!

We grow ONLY heirloom varieties (absolutely NO hybrids). This allows us to save seeds for the next year's crops (ALL heirlooms are open-pollinated varieties, but not all open-pollinated varieties are heirloom - seed can be saved from ANY open-pollinated variety). There are many heirloom varieties which are nearly impossible to find for sale, even at a farmer's market.

We have things like white tomatoes (which are a little "sweeter" than most other tomatoes), purple tomatoes (which are "spicier"), purple carrots (again, spicier - as a rule of thumb, purple veggies are "spicier" than their conventional counterparts), strawberry spinach (which isn't a true spinach, but tastes very similar), and Hopi Indian corn which is a blue colored "dent" corn - not "sweet" like Golden Bantam or Country Gentleman (both of which we also have, GB is a yellow corn, CG is a white shoepeg variety) - BUT is very high in protein and nutrition in general; and makes excellent cornmeal (which we grind ourselves)...

I grow a lot of heirlooms. Most of my melons are heirloom varieties. As well I tend to avoid hybrids - on principle since I don't save a lot of seed. That is only because I have a small patch and cannot keep a proper seperation between varieties. Melons are particularly bad about naturally hybridizing. This year I have 8 cantaloupe varieties and 2 Watermelon varieties. About 30 - 35 plants total.

I have grown the Golden Bantam but not Shoepeg. I have limited space so don't grow corn every year. I would rather grow more melons.

As well most of my tomatoes are heirlooms which I start from seed. And yes most of the varieties I grow simply are not available at most nurseries. This year I am heavy on the yellows and orange tomatoes. Actually I have a spectrum of colors - White Cherry Tomatoes (Dr. Carolyn), Golden Queen - yellow to orange with a pink blush on the tip - very pretty and very tasty; Nyagous - a Russian Black Tomato variety; Jaune Flamme - Orange with streaks of red - a French heirloom, Azoychka - a yellow beefsteak from Russia, Peacevine - a very tasty Red Cherry developed by "Seeds of Change"; Sioux - a medium red slicer - an American heirloom developed at the University of Kansas in the '40's - my all time favorite medium red slicer - the flavor is superb; Czech's Excellent Yellow - my favorite medium sized yellow tomato; and Mexico Midget a small red cherry with outstanding flavor (also sold as "Matt's Wild Cherry"). My one and only hybrid was Sungold which I bought at a nursery in a moment of weakness.

Among my favorites that I am not growing this year would be Pruden's Purple - a marvelous reddish purple beefsteak that rivals Brandywine for flavor and is 2 to 3 weeks earlier. My all time favorite of all types is Yellow Brandywine - I just wish they were more productive and a bit earlier.

This year's Pole Bean is the old American heirloom "Purple Podded Pole Bean". They are very interesting in the garden - a great conversation piece, and I like the flavor - a lot.

As well are various herbs, and other odds and ends - Lettuce, Peppers, 3 varieties of Summer Squash, etc., ... If you have never tried the old Ronde de Nice French Round Zuchhini you really should. They are not the most productive but they are the best tasting. I usually grow two plants and may do 3 this year.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-13   2:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)

If you have never tried the old Ronde de Nice French Round Zuchhini you really should. They are not the most productive but they are the best tasting.

No, I haven't. Thanks for the heads-up, I'll try some next year.

The Protogrow you mentioned is probably a very good product (I haven't tried it either). Acres USA had an article about a year ago on ocean minerals. Apparently NOTHING contains as much of a complete spectrum of trace minerals (ocean minerals contain over 90), and ANYTHING fertilized with it not only does very good, but also reaches it's maximum potential for nutrient content. The Protogrow is based on ocean minerals...

BUT, the Acres article mentioned that the ocean minerals were becoming difficult to obtain (they don't get it directly from the ocean, it's "mined" from areas that used to be covered with ocean water), and is relatively expensive (as would seem to be the case with Protogrow). The Acres article mentioned humate as a VERY close second choice, and it's MUCH less expensive. A very good friend of mine gave me a bag of it to try and told me you can even eat the humate directly (which is a super way to "jumpstart" your immune system) - and though I haven't done that, I DO add it to my milkcow's feed (the minerals transfer to the milk). I'm going to get a lot more of it and add to my gardens for next year. I think he told me the 50# bag he gave me only cost something like $4

You can safely save seed from the tomatoes because they don't readily cross-pollinate (and it's nearly impossible for the potato-leaf varieties to cross, even if they're touching each other). Some things (like spinach) that will easily cross pollinate are easy to "bag" to prevent crossing, and need only be done with a couple of plants to get more than enough seed to last several years. One of the biggest advantages to saving seed is crop improvement. If you have 3 Juanne Flammee tomatoes (which I grow also), and 1 of them outproduces the others or seems to be more bug or disease resistant, then save some seed from that one. It also saves quite a bit of money in the long run, especially with the heirloom varieties as some of them can be a bit pricey. For us, it makes good economic sense - since we have approximately 30,000 sq ft of garden space... Naturally, some things like the melons are a bit harder to save seed from since they so readily cross, BUT it can be done (again by bagging), and like I said, if you only keep seed from 1 melon you'll have more than enough to last a while... If you ever get interested in saving seed, an excellent book is Seed To Seed by Suzanne Ashworth - I'd call it the "bible" of seed saving.

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-13   8:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: innieway (#27)

If you have never tried the old Ronde de Nice French Round Zuchhini you really should. They are not the most productive but they are the best tasting.

No, I haven't. Thanks for the heads-up, I'll try some next year.

They grow quickly and produce after about 45 days growing so it is not too late to try them this year. I got a late start last year and they were still producing into mid Septemeber when Powdery Mildew set in and killed them.

I may try saving some tomato seed this year. I do have my favorite green fleshed melon, much superior to Honeydew, seperated so I may try saving seed from it this year. For the record it is called Ha'Ogen or just Ogen - which is Hebrew for "The Anchor" - although they originally came from Hungary. They're grown in Israel for export to European Gourmet Markets. They have an average of about 12% Brix and a very nice tropical citrusy aroma and a bright flavor with overtones of Pineapple. They are generally classified as a Dessert Melon. They are also early and very productive with as many as ten melons per plant. The melons are about 2 1/2 to 3 1/4 pounds and so are good sized for an early variety. The only time I have ever seen them for sale, about 6 or 7 years ago, they were 2 bucks a pound. I gave one to a very nice 90 something gentleman who at 92 was still doing charitable works and he said it was the best he'd ever had. This is one I grow every year because it is very reliable. Somewhat resistant to Powdery Mildew - it is one of the last varieties to succumb in the fall.

This year I'm trying a new one that I got from Scheeper's called Montreal Market - which is the largest Green Fleshed melon I've seen with it allegedly getting as big as 15 Pounds.

Another one well worth growing, which you do not often see, is "Old Israeli" from Botanical Interests Seed Co. (There is also a seed company here in Oregon that sells the seed). It is a creamy white fleshed melon, reaching 8 or 9 pounds, with a delightfully complex tropical flavor - hints of Bananna - although it is more than that. One of my all time favorites of those I have grown. It got rave reviews from those I shared some with. They require a moderately long growing season - I have to put them out early under cover here to get ripe melons.

I believe I do have "Seed to Seed" in my library but, blush, haven't read it - yet.

Well I wax prolix. I have been gardening for a while and if anything my enthusiasm grows each year.

Oh, and tip back for you - Jersey Greensand. If you haven't used it, it is an Ocean Mineral deposit - mined on dry land. It has the consistency of sand and is a natural source of Phosphorous and is lightly acid. It is a great amendment for Tomatoes and Roses. About 1 pound per tomato plant although I just rake it smooth into the upper layer of the soil.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-13   14:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)

That does it. You are going to have to feed me.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-13   14:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend. gardners here (#29)

That does it. You are going to have to feed me.

Someone needs to come clean the drool off my keyboard.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-06-13   14:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: lodwick (#30)

Someone needs to come clean the drool off my keyboard.

LOL


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-13   14:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: farmfriend (#29) (Edited)

That does it. You are going to have to feed me.

It has just been my philosophy, in my garden, of why grow something if it is not the best? It takes only a little more effort to grow the best varieties than to grow just ordinary ones. It is not that hard to start from seed, particularly tomatoes, you just have to think ahead, and it is less expensive than going to the nursery. One of the secrets is to start more than you need. Any extras I wind up with find homes with other gardening friends.

I've always had a small patch so I've had to learn to maximize the return for my effort. Organically grown heirloom tomatoes are about 3 bucks per pound when you can find them and ditto the melons. Once in a while you'll see them on sale for around a buck a pound but generally no lower (there is one place I go where I can sometimes beat the "buck a pound" lower limit because they buy small lots of ripe stuff and then unload it in a hurry at a cheap price. An itty-bitty package of organic cherry tomatoes is 2 bucks or more and one Sungold plant will fill 30 or 40 of them - or more. I don't know how much I really save moneywise but I do have the satisfaction of higher quality produce. Some years I come out ahead and some not, but it I am always glad I grew my own. I could probably be more economical but I tend to end up splurging on doohickeys and fancy seeds.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-14   2:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent, innieway, lodwick (#28) (Edited)

They have an average of about 12% Brix and a very nice tropical citrusy aroma and a bright flavor with overtones of Pineapple. They are generally classified as a Dessert Melon. They are also early and very productive with as many as ten melons per plant. The melons are about 2 1/2 to 3 1/4 pounds and so are good sized for an early variety. The only time I have ever seen them for sale, about 6 or 7 years ago, they were 2 bucks a pound. I gave one to a very nice 90 something gentleman who at 92 was still doing charitable works and he said it was the best he'd ever had. This is one I grow every year because it is very reliable.

You may have to adopt some of us too.

That way you and Innieway can share us adoptees so Innieway won't be too overwhelmed with so many of us.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-14   3:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Diana, innieway, lodwick, farmfriend (#33) (Edited)

I have noticed an interesting phenomena - when my melons start ripening up I suddenly have all sorts of new friends and old acquaintences suddenly become close friends. Of course that is some of the fun of gourmet gardening - sharing it with others. I think it's the Caveman in me: "Ugh! Me mighty gardener!" However, it got so bad 3 years ago that I hit on a new idea and decided that I was actually going to eat some of the melons I grew.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-14   5:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: farmfriend, all (#0)

The easiest way to preserve the nutrients in fruits and vegetables is to soak them in alcohol, say, wine or brandy. ;-)

Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-06-14   5:41:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)

I have noticed an interesting phenomena - when my melons start ripening up I suddenly have all sorts of new friends and old acquaintences suddenly become close friends.

Even here LOL!

Diana  posted on  2007-06-14   6:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: YertleTurtle (#35)

The easiest way to preserve the nutrients in fruits and vegetables is to soak them in alcohol, say, wine or brandy. ;-)

I bet that would taste good with pears.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-14   6:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: farmfriend, Lodwick, Diana, Original Intent (#29)

That does it. You are going to have to feed me.

(Lodwick) Someone needs to come clean the drool off my keyboard.

HAHAHAHA.....

Last night for supper we had for an appetizer a salad made of Black Seeded Simpson and Buttercrunch lettuces; Viroflay, Merlo Nero, and Strawberry spinaches; and Swiss Chard...

The main course was spaghetti - with the sauce made from our canned tomatoes, fresh mushrooms (store-bought) and herbs we grow including the oregano, rosemary, and basil...

And how does this sound for desert - sliced strawberries covered in fresh raw Jersey cream.....

AHHHH, the country life ain't so bad...

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-14   7:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent (#32)

One of the secrets is to start more than you need.

Some years I come out ahead and some not, but it I am always glad I grew my own. I could probably be more economical

Starting more than you need IS a good idea for several reasons - not the least of which is because you can pick the BEST starts to transplant...

Speaking of BEST, the BEST way to eliminate pests from eating your "goodies" is to make sure the soil has ALL the minerals and nutrients available for the plant to be as healthy as possible. Parasites pick on the "weak ones". Something was eating on our Swiss Chard, so we cut it back and added more humate to the soil around it - voila(!) - the new growth is NOT being "picked on"... And the REAL benefit to this is that now YOU are consuming something which is nutrient rich!

More economical or not, at least when you grow your own you know exactly what is in it; or perhaps more importantly - what's NOT... Seed-saving does help on the economics though.....

Original - getting melon seed purity for the purpose of saving seed isn't very hard. You simply pull the petals of a male flower together at the top and tape them shut, and do the same with a female flower. You do this with blossoms which have not yet opened, and do it in the evening. (It's easy to distinguish between the 2 - the females sit on a small immature fruit, while the males sit only on a straight stem). The next morning after the dew dries, cut the male blossom and a couple inches of the stem; remove the tape and carefully remove the petals. Then gently remove the tape from the female and allow it to open. When it does, simply hold the male by the stem (like a brush) and gently rub pollen onto each section of the stigma of the female. (You may get better pollination if you use several different male blossoms from the same plant). Then retape the female. It is important to make sure no bee or other insect "gets to" the female during this process, or cross-pollination may occur. Now simply mark this fruit somehow (a poultry band wrapped on the stem works great) so you'll know which one is your "seed saver".... More details and pics are in the Seed To Seed book...

If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein

innieway  posted on  2007-06-14   7:32:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: YertleTurtle (#35)

say, wine or brandy.

Yummmm.


It's not Global Warming, it's Ice Age Abatement.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-06-14   10:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: innieway (#39)

Starting more than you need IS a good idea for several reasons - not the least of which is because you can pick the BEST starts to transplant...

True, and I do that.

Speaking of BEST, the BEST way to eliminate pests from eating your "goodies" is to make sure the soil has ALL the minerals and nutrients available for the plant to be as healthy as possible.

Except the damn slugs who like them even more.

More economical or not, at least when you grow your own you know exactly what is in it; or perhaps more importantly - what's NOT... Seed-saving does help on the economics though.....

That is one of the chief points for me. I don't have to look for a little sticker on my fruits and vegetables that tells me that it's Organically grown. I know what goes into my garden and I know that it is clean and nutrient filled - I spend a lot of time building my soil since that makes for healthier, more nutritious, and BETTER TASTING fruit and vegetables. As well I don't have to worry about some field worker peeing on my tomatoes (however, it would be nice if he stopped by and did some free weeding). As well if I need a snippet of Rosemary or Tarragon I just walk out with the snips and clip some. Which reminds me that I need some more Italian Parsley. I am getting more into herbs this year since most are relatively easy to grow - I have always grown some since my first few years of gardening but am working on expanding the herb garden. I already have enough Rosemary to supply the neighborhood - but it looks like such a pretty shrub. There is no substitute for fresh Tarragon as Tarragon's volatile oils evaporate within a few hours of cutting so people who rely on bottled dried Tarragon simply do not know what they are missing. One hint though - fresh Tarragon is so much more potent you have to use less. The first time I made Bernaise Sauce with fresh Tarragon I put in some extra. It was a great licorice sauce. Ugh! One trick that is handy to know, if you are not familiar with it already, is to make up an industrial sized batch of Pesto and then freeze it in ice cube trays. You can then pop them out into a ziploc bag and keep them until needed for seasoning soups and sauces - or just thaw out enough for a batch of good pasta (works good with miniature Cheesecakes too - Wilton makes some nice miniature Springform Pans that I use for that and for making small Sponge Cakes as a base for fancy individual desserts).

As for the economics of it... I was just totalling it up in my head and the stuff I have growing, if I had bought them as starts at the nursery (even if the varieties were available) would run somewhat north of 75 to 100 bucks - for just the seedlings (good organic starts for some of my tomato varieties are 4 to 5 bucks each - plus shipping). Organically grown in the varieties I grow (again, even if they were available) are sold for top dollar and so I do come out ahead - and I don't have to haul it home from the store. No, I simply could not do without my garden. I eat better for less and have the satisfaction of nurturing it from seed to table.

The melon seed saving technique sounds a bit involved, but I may give it a try. Then I would have enough seed to share with a couple of friends.

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-14   14:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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