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Title: Top Ten Reasons why I will not vote for Ron Paul
Source: stmachiavelli
URL Source: http://stmachiavelli.livejournal.com/1015290.html
Published: Jun 11, 2007
Author: stmachiavelli
Post Date: 2007-06-11 14:53:34 by can of corn
Keywords: al qaeda, standing for the twoof, shiny foil hat
Views: 1889
Comments: 141

1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!"

2) He's called for a Mcarthiesque reopening of the 9/11 Commission, basing it this time on popular opinion, conspiracy theory, and politics rather than fact. - This one goes hand in hand with item 1.

3) He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East.

4) He's for gay marriage, but against gay adoption. - Here we are total polar opposites. I'm against gay marriage because it brings nothing to the state, but for gay adoption because any stable home for a child is better than a foster home or orphanage.

5) He's stated he'd like to go back to the "gold standard". - This makes baby economists weep.

6) He's against stem cell research

7) He's "touchy feely" when it comes to crime and punishment

8) He's against free trade (or at least his voting record is).

9) He's never seen a defense appropriation bill he liked. - Yes we can fight our enemies armed with sticks and stones!

10) He's pro "illegal immigration".

And lastly...

The ACLU likes him. Or more seriously, his voting record is a mess. Its almost like he's voted for and then against the same ideas in different bills just so he could appear to be a moderate or something.

As I believe actions (in this case votes) speak louder than campaign promises this makes it very difficult for me to believe what Ron really thinks.

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#12. To: can of corn (#0)

Title: Top Ten Reasons why I will not vote for Ron Paul

Post Date: 2007-06-11 14:53:34 by can of corn

1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!"

Title: Ron Paul on 9/11 (Is Ron Paul a Sell Out?)

Post Date: 2007-06-11 10:08:29 by can of corn

Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.

Wow. Talk about posting out of both sides of your ass.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-06-11   15:18:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: bluedogtxn (#12)

Wow. Talk about posting out of both sides of your ass.

Actually, not at all. He panders to the insane twoofers, but won't come out and publicly say, as the twoofers do, that he believes Bush was behind 911.

He's either a shameless panderer or gutless on the matter. I will have to give him credit for not being as clueless as the twoofers he panders too, though.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-11   15:57:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: can of corn (#28)

He's either a shameless panderer or gutless on the matter.

Not necessarily. From looking at the 9/11 Truth movement, it all got its start because of one question - the same question that was asked during Watergate.

"What did the President know and when did he know it?"

To date, that question has NOT been answered. Answering that one question would put a LOT of this to bed rather quickly.

mirage  posted on  2007-06-12   13:55:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: mirage (#89)

"What did the President know and when did he know it?"

He knew it when they whispered it in his ear in the FL classroom.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-12   14:40:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: can of corn (#93)

He knew it when they whispered it in his ear in the FL classroom.

Okay. So Bush never had an intelligence briefing. Ever.

He's more dumb than we thought then and should be removed from office on that alone.

Is that the case you're trying to make?

mirage  posted on  2007-06-12   14:45:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: mirage (#95)

Okay. So Bush never had an intelligence briefing. Ever.

Yes, and I suppose he was told that on 9/11/2001 of the exact time, locations, and means we would be attacked and just forgot to do anything about it or just decided not to because he could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-12   14:48:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: can of corn (#96)

Yes, and I suppose he was told that on 9/11/2001 of the exact time, locations, and means we would be attacked and just forgot to do anything about it or just decided not to because he could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Well, then, now you agree with the truthers. Which way do you want to take this? Its your argument.

All I'm saying is that the answer to "What did Bush know and when did he know it" would resolve a lot of open issues with the public and likely defuse the 9/11 Truth Movement.

You seem to want to claim he was unaware of Al-Qaeda's existance.

Interesting.

mirage  posted on  2007-06-12   14:53:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: mirage (#97)

I guess I should have added this:

/sarcasm

Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable.

It's crazy to think otherwise.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-12   14:56:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#101. To: can of corn (#98)

Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable.

The unfortunate thing is that we don't know if it was actionable or not because we don't have the information. We don't know the level of briefing - we don't know the credibility level of what was floating around. We know next to nothing.

I'll keep saying this. If we knew what Bush had been briefed on and what his responses were, it would go a long way toward defusing the distrust.

Its just like Watergate in that regard.

mirage  posted on  2007-06-12 15:13:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: can of corn (#98) (Edited)

Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable.

It's crazy to think otherwise.

Remember that Condi was briefed about the possiblity of an attack by Tenet in an emergency meeting about a month before. She then lied about the meeting ot the 911 commission. The truth then came out late last year when the meeting logs were released.

How should we handle this for the pack of goobers on this site? Just tell them it didn't happen?

can of balls  posted on  2007-06-12 15:18:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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