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Title: Top Ten Reasons why I will not vote for Ron Paul
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URL Source: http://stmachiavelli.livejournal.com/1015290.html
Published: Jun 11, 2007
Author: stmachiavelli
Post Date: 2007-06-11 14:53:34 by can of corn
Keywords: al qaeda, standing for the twoof, shiny foil hat
Views: 1423
Comments: 141
1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!" 2) He's called for a Mcarthiesque reopening of the 9/11 Commission, basing it this time on popular opinion, conspiracy theory, and politics rather than fact. - This one goes hand in hand with item 1. 3) He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East. 4) He's for gay marriage, but against gay adoption. - Here we are total polar opposites. I'm against gay marriage because it brings nothing to the state, but for gay adoption because any stable home for a child is better than a foster home or orphanage. 5) He's stated he'd like to go back to the "gold standard". - This makes baby economists weep. 6) He's against stem cell research 7) He's "touchy feely" when it comes to crime and punishment 8) He's against free trade (or at least his voting record is). 9) He's never seen a defense appropriation bill he liked. - Yes we can fight our enemies armed with sticks and stones! 10) He's pro "illegal immigration". And lastly... The ACLU likes him. Or more seriously, his voting record is a mess. Its almost like he's voted for and then against the same ideas in different bills just so he could appear to be a moderate or something. As I believe actions (in this case votes) speak louder than campaign promises this makes it very difficult for me to believe what Ron really thinks.
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#94. To: Critter (#90)
And you think the average American consumer is going to gladly want tariffs after he learns how much he will have to pay? You could not place tariffs high enough to replace our income tax system with them. In fact if you tried, you'd have to place tariffs so high that foreign products would be priced out of the market place with heir import being dried up. You'd have to have other means of revenue anyway PLUS the consumer would be screwed.
Okay. So Bush never had an intelligence briefing. Ever. He's more dumb than we thought then and should be removed from office on that alone. Is that the case you're trying to make?
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Yes, and I suppose he was told that on 9/11/2001 of the exact time, locations, and means we would be attacked and just forgot to do anything about it or just decided not to because he could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Well, then, now you agree with the truthers. Which way do you want to take this? Its your argument. All I'm saying is that the answer to "What did Bush know and when did he know it" would resolve a lot of open issues with the public and likely defuse the 9/11 Truth Movement. You seem to want to claim he was unaware of Al-Qaeda's existance. Interesting.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I guess I should have added this: /sarcasm Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable. It's crazy to think otherwise.
Thank You ITTA ! :)
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
It would take a combination of things to fix all the shit the criminals in DC have created. Cutting back on extra-constitutional spending combined with a system of tariffs would go a long way toward getting us back on the right track.
The unfortunate thing is that we don't know if it was actionable or not because we don't have the information. We don't know the level of briefing - we don't know the credibility level of what was floating around. We know next to nothing. I'll keep saying this. If we knew what Bush had been briefed on and what his responses were, it would go a long way toward defusing the distrust. Its just like Watergate in that regard.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
When a party doesn't bring forward evidence that is in his possession, it's grounds for suspecting the evidence goes against him.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
It's crazy to think otherwise. Remember that Condi was briefed about the possiblity of an attack by Tenet in an emergency meeting about a month before. She then lied about the meeting ot the 911 commission. The truth then came out late last year when the meeting logs were released. How should we handle this for the pack of goobers on this site? Just tell them it didn't happen?
Exactly. In my opinion, this is the crux and lynchpin. If it came out that Bush was fully briefed but that the Feds said "Naw, not likely to happen" or "We think it will happen in October but not September" then it would go a long way toward defusing a lot of the problems and questions surrounding 9/11. If it came out that Bush was fully briefed AND the intelligence people said "We find this credible" and Bush did nothing, then it would prove he was culpable. It would go a long way toward answering the question of whether he let things happen. And finally - if it came out that nobody knew anything (or if intelligence said something other than Al-Qaeda) then it would raise other questions that would still need to be answered - and the conspiracy theory would need to go in a different direction. Maybe its just me, but the question of "What did Bush know and when did he know it" seems to be the big missing piece of the puzzle and is where it all starts.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
They were given briefings about the possibility of hijackings with no times, dates, or places. There was nothing actionable.
OK. I will spin it to them that way.
No spin There is nothing here to act on.
Why don't we just tell them there was no meeting? That's cleaner than trying to explain the lack of increased security.
Why do you change your screen name every couple of days?
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
A corn like him could never abide in a Free zone.
At least Ron Paul can hang onto his watch when venturing out into the world. That's more than can be said for Lord Bunnypants.
Well, that leaves surgery. :D
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Well, apart from the stem cell research, the gay adoption thing, and the gold standard, I'm WAY more on Ron Paul's side than this turkey's. And I'd like to see the proof he's against gay adoption, for instance. Sometimes people vote against bills because of something hidden in them, not because of the main bill.
This is the only screen name I've ever had here.
Duh! I was talking about over on LP.
Bunch of internet bums ... grand jury --- opium den ! ~ byeltsin
You are out of touch with the 18th Century.
Aren't we all?
Why can't I find a girl like that.. LOL
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Duh! I was talking about over on LP. He knew that. Obviously he's a lawyer or a politician.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Should I fix you some sandwiches?
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Would it be terribly wrong of me to desire that fence sitters such as the can in question should in the process of straddling that damned fence crush his widdle ol' niblets as fair and just treatment for liars?
Oh, bullshit or horsehockey! Put tariffs high enough and the sheeple will take pitchforks, tar and feathers to DC and clean house! Gubmint would have to go on a diet.....stop funding the world's problems and those we cause to other nations, as well as reducing MIC expenses big time, and cutting out bullshit like the National Endowment for Pornography, trips all over the world for the jerks that are supposed to be 'leadering' this country, blah blah blah. Takes a lot to be real creative in how to correct such things that you whine that gubmint needs to find other ways to steal our finances...took me probably 30 seconds to think of those couple of things. I'm sure others here have a lot more examples and no doubt better ones. OTOH, your answer is more and more taxation or revenue enhancements!
After what we've done to Iraq, why should the rest of the world take chances on us? In deaths, destruction, innocents tortured and wanton disregard for long- established standards of civilized behavior, we are now the most-rogue and most- shamelessly-criminal nation on Earth. No one else is even a close second.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
In deaths, destruction, innocents tortured and wanton disregard for long- established standards of civilized behavior, we are now the most-rogue and most- shamelessly-criminal nation on Earth. No one else is even a close second. But besides that?? My government sickens me. And has placed its citizens in tremendous danger. For the short term benefit of the DC crowd. Sad and angry
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
My government sickens me. And has placed its citizens in tremendous danger. It sickens me, too, Tom. The scriptures revealed its essence with an economy of words that could only have been divinely inspired. The prophets called it "The Beast." And in its heartless rapine bloodlust and savage negation of all that remains good, holy and sacred in this sin-stricken world, it is beast-like indeed, in every way.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
The question of the decade. Or Two or three.
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
You do know that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11, right?
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Abolishing the income tax would be a boon for the economy. We don't need it or any revenue neutral replacement for it.
Your idea of a suitable punishment is original and sublime.
And, preferably through a complicated scheme involving tax tables and other criteria that are too complicated to calculate without the assistance of a trained H&R Blockhead.
That pathetic attempt at a sentence reminds me of George W's garbled syntax. Or an entry in the Bulwer Lytton Contest.
Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy. If it looks like shit, smells like shit, and talks Marxist shit, it's probably Can of Corn.
RON PAUL or REVOLUTION [ALL MEDIA: We don't report and you certainly don't decide]
You're a fucking marxist slimeball. Something for others with a more analytical mind to ponder. What if there actually is a legal fiction [sometimes called the strawman] created at birth through the birth certificate and SSN. Wouldn't this legal "fiction" have as many privileges as any other taxpaying legal fiction ? Why wouldn't this legal fiction be afforded a "license" for whatever, driving, marrying, medical, phamaceutical etc., [I say it's a foregone conclusion in "law" and only a matter of time]. I contend that all of you that accept the current system through participation in it have already acquiesced to all of its positive and negative attributes.
RON PAUL or REVOLUTION [ALL MEDIA: We don't report and you certainly don't decide]
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#95. To: can of corn (#93)
He knew it when they whispered it in his ear in the FL classroom.
#96. To: mirage (#95)
Okay. So Bush never had an intelligence briefing. Ever.
#97. To: can of corn (#96)
Yes, and I suppose he was told that on 9/11/2001 of the exact time, locations, and means we would be attacked and just forgot to do anything about it or just decided not to because he could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
#98. To: mirage (#97)
#99. To: intotheabyss (#86)
Aptly stated. :)
#100. To: can of corn (#94)
Enemies of the Republic
#101. To: can of corn (#98)
Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable.
#102. To: mirage (#101)
#103. To: can of corn (#98)
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Bush did not know of the exact time, places, and means of attack until he was briefed after the attacks. All he had before that were vague warnings of hijackings -- nothing actionable.
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#104. To: aristeides (#102)
When a party doesn't bring forward evidence that is in his possession, it's grounds for suspecting the evidence goes against him.
#105. To: can of balls (#103)
#106. To: can of corn (#105)
They were given briefings about the possibility of hijackings with no times, dates, or places. There was nothing actionable.
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#108. To: can of corn (#107)
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#109. To: can of corn (#0)
#110. To: Calamity (#27)
Corn Remover
#111. To: can of corn (#0)
#112. To: PnbC (#110)
A corn like him could never abide in a Free zone.
#113. To: can of corn (#0)
#114. To: Minerva (#109)
#115. To: can of corn (#114)
his is the only screen name I've ever had here.
#116. To: can of corn (#52)
He is out of touch with the 21st Century.
#117. To: lodwick (#116)
You are out of touch with the 18th Century.
#118. To: wudidiz (#70)
#119. To: Minerva (#115)
is the only screen name I've ever had here.
#120. To: can of corn (#0)
#121. To: aristeides, Calamity, HOUNDDAWG, (#46)
Funny how can of corn uses the same quote from Ron Paul: (1) on another thread to cast doubt on the 9/11 Truth movement (because Ron Paul doesn't clearly accept it); and (2) here to explain why people should not vote for Ron Paul (because Ron Paul does not clearly reject 9/11 Truth beliefs).
#122. To: can of corn (#94)
You could not place tariffs high enough to replace our income tax system with them. In fact if you tried, you'd have to place tariffs so high that foreign products would be priced out of the market place with heir import being dried up. You'd have to have other means of revenue anyway PLUS the consumer would be screwed.
#123. To: can of corn (#85)
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After 9/11, Iraq was no longer a country we could take chances on.
#124. To: Arator (#123)
After what we've done to Iraq, why should the rest of the world take chances on us?
#125. To: tom007 (#124)
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But besides that??
#126. To: Arator (#123)
After what we've done to Iraq, why should the rest of the world take chances on us?
#127. To: can of corn (#85)
After 9/11, Iraq was no longer a country we could take chances on.
#128. To: can of corn (#94)
You could not place tariffs high enough to replace our income tax system with them. In fact if you tried, you'd have to place tariffs so high that foreign products would be priced out of the market place with heir import being dried up. You'd have to have other means of revenue anyway PLUS the consumer would be screwed
#129. To: rowdee (#121)
Would it be terribly wrong of me to desire that fence sitters such as the can in question should in the process of straddling that damned fence crush his widdle ol' niblets as fair and just treatment for liars?
#130. To: rowdee (#122)
OTOH, your answer is more and more taxation or revenue enhancements!
#131. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#10)
He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East.
Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. - Andre Marrou
#132. To: can of corn (#0)
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#133. To: can of corn (#0)
4) He's for gay marriage, but against gay adoption. - Here we are total polar opposites. I'm against gay marriage because it brings nothing to the state, but for gay adoption because any stable home for a child is better than a foster home or orphanage.
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