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Title: Top Ten Reasons why I will not vote for Ron Paul
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URL Source: http://stmachiavelli.livejournal.com/1015290.html
Published: Jun 11, 2007
Author: stmachiavelli
Post Date: 2007-06-11 14:53:34 by can of corn
Keywords: al qaeda, standing for the twoof, shiny foil hat
Views: 1443
Comments: 141
1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!" 2) He's called for a Mcarthiesque reopening of the 9/11 Commission, basing it this time on popular opinion, conspiracy theory, and politics rather than fact. - This one goes hand in hand with item 1. 3) He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East. 4) He's for gay marriage, but against gay adoption. - Here we are total polar opposites. I'm against gay marriage because it brings nothing to the state, but for gay adoption because any stable home for a child is better than a foster home or orphanage. 5) He's stated he'd like to go back to the "gold standard". - This makes baby economists weep. 6) He's against stem cell research 7) He's "touchy feely" when it comes to crime and punishment 8) He's against free trade (or at least his voting record is). 9) He's never seen a defense appropriation bill he liked. - Yes we can fight our enemies armed with sticks and stones! 10) He's pro "illegal immigration". And lastly... The ACLU likes him. Or more seriously, his voting record is a mess. Its almost like he's voted for and then against the same ideas in different bills just so he could appear to be a moderate or something. As I believe actions (in this case votes) speak louder than campaign promises this makes it very difficult for me to believe what Ron really thinks.
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#16. To: bluedogtxn (#15)
Not really BDT... just point out the sword bedecked Shah was not the "Gentleman" most seem to think he was. Actually I have no love whatsoever for any of the Middle Eastern Tribes and even less for the Eastern European Faux Tribe with its hand always out and its mouth stretched wide open in an incessant Victim Wail !
I'm waiting for the "Illegal Alien" support documentation.
AIPAC Silly ! Rumney, McStain and Juliani are just blow up dolls.
just point out the sword bedecked Shah was not the "Gentleman" most seem to think he was. He was a brutal dictator who ran his country through SAVAK inspired terror, and we installed him in place of their democratically elected guy.
And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.
I take it you believe that the WTC towers fell because the fires melted the steel struture, right?
Not. *Ding* Mirage wins~~~ The Immigration Question by Ron Paul The recent immigration protests in Los Angeles have brought the issue to the forefront, provoking strong reactions from millions of Americans. The protesters’ cause of open borders is not well served when they drape themselves in Mexican flags and chant slogans in Spanish. If anything, their protests underscore the Balkanization of America caused by widespread illegal immigration. How much longer can we maintain huge unassimilated subgroups within America, filled with millions of people who don’t speak English or participate fully in American life? Americans finally have decided the status quo is unacceptable, and immigration may be the issue that decides the 2008 presidential election. We’re often reminded that America is a nation of immigrants, implying that we’re coldhearted to restrict immigration in any way. But the new Americans reaching our shores in the late 1800s and early 1900s were legal immigrants. In many cases they had no chance of returning home again. They maintained their various ethnic and cultural identities, but they also learned English and embraced their new nationality. Today, the overwhelming majority of Americans – including immigrants – want immigration reduced, not expanded. The economic, cultural, and political situation was very different 100 years ago. We’re often told that immigrants do the jobs Americans won’t do, and sometimes this is true. But in many instances illegal immigrants simply increase the supply of labor in a community, which lowers wages. And while cheap labor certainly benefits the economy as a whole, when calculating the true cost of illegal immigration we must include the cost of social services that many new immigrants consume – especially medical care. We must reject amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty. Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, who face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American citizenship. Birthright citizenship similarly rewards lawbreaking, and must be stopped. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth. True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America. We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless and until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems associated with it will only increase. April 4, 2006 Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas. Find this article at: http://www.lewrockwell.com/p aul/paul314.html
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Can it!
God is always good! LIAR.
I think the author means that it's not our fault that we're in the Middle east. It's someone else's.
We chose to be hornswaggled.
Yeah, that's BS. Paul is clearly not pro illegal immigration. But one of the duties of every BushBot is to make totally false and easily proven to be false claims.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
Corn Remover "The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Actually, not at all. He panders to the insane twoofers, but won't come out and publicly say, as the twoofers do, that he believes Bush was behind 911. He's either a shameless panderer or gutless on the matter. I will have to give him credit for not being as clueless as the twoofers he panders too, though.
I have bozo'd the bunnioned one. Two bit trolls are boring.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, who face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American citizenship. Birthright citizenship similarly rewards lawbreaking, and must be stopped. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth. True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Thanks calamity... spot on... once and for all... Now I await that can to open up again
You're most welcome. I figure cone-pone will move to the ME topic again, and attempt a run at 'isolationism' without discussing interventionism and lessons from such as Smedley Butler. -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super- Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major- General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. "The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Again you prove that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. He doesn't pander to them, they seek him out. And they seek him out because he seems to be an honest person, unlike all of the other stuffed shirts running for holy orifice. Which candidate do you support for president?
And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.
Which candidate do you support for president? BluedogTexan Answer: Any paid off and guaranteed bloc votes, Electoral College Control and Media Bias by AIPAC... i.e. any of the put-up, bended-knee, homage-paying candidates you see EXCEPT RON PAUL !
That tells me all I need to know.
i'm getting flashbacks
right on
Yes. And it goes without saying, our government has no intention of allowing assimilation, when divide and rule will move them ever more quickly through their real agenda. De-population is the name of the game. Through a draft, no chippy no worky, starvation, poisoning via, food, air, water, forced immunizations, refusal of medical care, taxation, imprisonment. And worse, much worse. The record of Ron Paul, against the others, stands against this tidal wave of evil.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
christine you're not old enough for those
Most wont bother to read this, and many think that this government has gone bad only in the last twenty years. Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler.
Well, I'll keep posting it regardless. It's an important read, and one I agree with whole-heartedly. War IS a Racket. And it never frees, anyone. Rather, it further endentures a new region of slaves. Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler. Nooooooooo. You're pulling Calamity's leg here aren't you? Next thing I know, you'll be telling me you were gathering animals for the Ark. ;) Seriously, is that true?
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Excuse me can of crap, but the URL you are looking for is FreeRepublic Somehow, you made a wrong turn and got lost.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition LIAR. And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod. Another lie- posting shill like BAC; someone not here to debate honestly, but to spam, shill and obfuscate with lies.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition I always love replying to petulant folks who wish to ignore me. Actually, you're right. I think Ron Paul would like to toss illegal families and their children into the Rio Grande and say "swim for it and don't come back." So, I'd be interested to know where the author is coming from.
Yes, they seek him out and he panders to them instead of saying, "There's no validity in anything you're alleging. Please, Im a Constitutionalist, not a conspiratorial nutjob."
He probably has little niblets anyway.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Funny how can of corn uses the same quote from Ron Paul: (1) on another thread to cast doubt on the 9/11 Truth movement (because Ron Paul doesn't clearly accept it); and (2) here to explain why people should not vote for Ron Paul (because Ron Paul does not clearly reject 9/11 Truth beliefs).
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I really can't believe this St.Machiavelli guy who authored this. Is his site like the onion, or is he for real? do you know? Anyone who is intelligent and has reviewed the literature of the truthers is going to say that it was either an inside job or done by someone other than who it was blamed on to provoke the foreign policy we have. Any fool can see that. There are a lot of people who have an inability to think independently of the television. It is sad. Regarding Paul's unwillingness to say it was an 'inside job', he is correct from the point of view that he should not say things he can't prove. Paul is doing the right thing in challenging the conventional wisdom on sept 11 events.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Thanks for posting Butler's writing, as he offers an important commentary that comes from his personal history that those in this country need to be made aware of. Yes, Paul is the only one standing against evil. For the most part, if you look closely you will see that the others ARE evil. Good work, Calamity.
Good work, Calamity. Thanks Phant! I believe, as others do, Ron Paul, is leading this nations last bayonett charge for her survival.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
For a second I thought you were referring to Maj. Gen. Benjamin Butler, aka "Beastly Ben" aka "Spoons", nicknamed for his unfortunate compulsion to pilfer silverware at dinner parties. He was the Union Officer who not only granted sanctuary to runaway slaves at Fortress Monroe in my home of Norfolk, VA (in direct violation of the fugitive slave law) but he also issued the infamous General Order #28, which is why he was the only officer in the history of our nation to have his image on the bottom of bedpans. (not a joke) He was a real nasty character, and every proud Confederate who utters his name in mixed company should expel sputum and say, "If you'll pardon the goddam expression, Ma'am!" The other Butler was truly a great American. If I had the power I'd make every applicant for enlistment read WAR IS A RACKET, or watch a Disney style animated cartoon or perhaps a hip hop music video if their reading skills aren't up to it.
You and your bosses are scared white. As well you should be. Paul's integrity and sterling reputation is so far beyond your ability to ding that you are reduced to posting gibberish hoping something, anything will be interpreted as legit and well founded. Paul has delivered thousands of babies, perhaps hundreds at no charge for poor patients, many of them Hispanic. He's never uttered a mean spirited statement in over twenty years that I've followed his career. Your attempt at character assassination is a bit ambitious for someone with your obvious limitations, and everything Paul says and does is completely consistent with his (and our) desire to restore our republic. You implied that he votes differently on the same bills, but if you weren't a political dilettante you'd know that even sponsors of bills vote against undesirable amendments or motions for cloture or rules suspension. He doesn't vote against a bill after voting for it (or vice versa) if it is substantially intact and unchanged, (no cloak room skullduggery) and I challenge you to cite one example and prove this statement false. So, you fling non specific poo which is not only unworthy of serious debate but impossible to dispute since you carefully avoid specifics. Try this. Tell us who you support and why so we can dismiss you. Obviously there isn't an announced candidate anywhere that you dare juxtapose with Paul, and your failure to offer a name is no oversight. (CLUE: Rumsfeld is not a candidate, and he couldn't get elected to the job of chief fluffer in the shower at Leavenworth which is where he is going if he doesn't expire first.) I'm guessing that you work for H&R Block and you're petrified of having to do honest labor, perhaps even heavy lifting once the totally useless tax prep industry is dismantled. Am I right? Since misrepresentation born of desperation flows so readily from your fingers it's quite logical to assume that you are a pack rat for IRS receipts or some other equally disreputable swindle. So, your intellectual dishonesty + political schizophrenia = non producing bureaucrat and enemy of the constitution, and therefore the enemy of freedom loving patriots.
I don't want a President who believes the best way not to be attacked by Islamic terrorists is to allow them to dictate our foreign policy. He is out of touch with the 21st Century.
Again with the slippery? Let me try again. Who.... Do.... You.... Want? No offense, but you cannot offer a frontal assault and simultaneously cower away from exposing your true agenda if you expect to be anything other than an object of political whimsy here. This isn't a Pauly Shore movie, my young friend. Sooner or later you have to make a bold, hairy-chested move and say something or, once you're humor potential has been exhausted we'll simply lose interest in you. And, believe me, that's a chilly place where no self respecting person would ever want to find her or himself. "I'm Barnacle Bill The Sailor...."
Do.... You.... Want? Thompson, Romney, Giuiliani In that order.
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
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#17. To: robin, can of corn (#14)
#18. To: bluedogtxn (#13)
I wonder which Republicon Cornhole my Can is shilling for, Giuliani or McStain? This clumsy ham-fisted bullshit approach reminds me more of Giuliani.
#19. To: JCHarris (#16)
Not really BDT...
#20. To: can of corn (#0)
He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!"
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#21. To: mirage, creamed corn, all, Ron Paul Supporters, Amnesty rejectors, (#3)
10) He's pro "illegal immigration".
#22. To: can of corn (#0)
can of corn
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#23. To: can of corn (#0)
10) He's pro "illegal immigration".
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
3) He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East.
I actually had to read this twice before I realized I have no idea what it means. Please explain.
#25. To: Neil McIver (#24)
I think the author means that it's not our fault that we're in the Middle east. It's someone else's.
#26. To: JCHarris (#17)
#27. To: RickyJ (#22)
#28. To: bluedogtxn (#12)
Wow. Talk about posting out of both sides of your ass.
#29. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#30. To: Calamity, Diana, PercyDoveTonsils, FormerLurker, ALL, can of corn (#21)
We must reject amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty.
#31. To: JCHarris, christine, zipporah, former lurker, wudiditz, cynicom, phant2000, lodwick, all, bunnion (#30)
Thanks calamity...
Smedley Butler on Interventionism
#32. To: can of corn (#28)
Actually, not at all. He panders to the insane twoofers, but won't come out and publicly say, as the twoofers do, that he believes Bush was behind 911.
#33. To: bluedogtxn (#32)
Can of corn,
#34. To: bluedogtxn (#2)
You quote a guy who has "Rumsfeld for President '08" in his descriptor box?
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
#35. To: robin (#26)
But one of the duties of every BushBot is to make totally false and easily proven to be false claims.
#36. To: Calamity, Jethro Tull (#21)
True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America.
#37. To: christine (#36)
right on
#38. To: christine (#35)
i'm getting flashbacks
#39. To: Calamity (#31)
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
Most wont bother to read this, and many think that this government has gone bad only in the last twenty years.
#41. To: can of corn, ALL (#0)
#42. To: FormerLurker, can of corn, jcharris (#23)
10) He's pro "illegal immigration".
#43. To: IndieTX (#42)
And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod.
#44. To: bluedogtxn (#32)
He doesn't pander to them, they seek him out.
#45. To: IndieTX (#42)
And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod. Another lie- posting shill like BAC; someone not here to debate honestly, but to spam, shill and obfuscate with lies.
#46. To: bluedogtxn, can of corn (#13)
#47. To: can of corn (#0)
#48. To: Calamity (#37)
The record of Ron Paul, against the others, stands against this tidal wave of evil.
#49. To: Phant2000 (#48)
Yes, Paul is the only one standing against evil. For the most part, if you look closely you will see that the others ARE evil.
#50. To: Cynicom, christine (#39)
Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler.
#51. To: can of corn, Zipporah, robin, rowdee, christine, lodwick, Jethro Tull, JC Harris (#43)
I always love replying to petulant folks who wish to ignore me. Actually, you're right. I think Ron Paul would like to toss illegal families and their children into the Rio Grande and say "swim for it and don't come back."
#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#51)
#53. To: can of corn (#52)
#54. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
Who....
#55. To: can of corn (#54)
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