See other Editorial Articles
Title: Top Ten Reasons why I will not vote for Ron Paul
Source:
stmachiavelli
URL Source: http://stmachiavelli.livejournal.com/1015290.html
Published: Jun 11, 2007
Author: stmachiavelli
Post Date: 2007-06-11 14:53:34 by can of corn
Keywords: al qaeda, standing for the twoof, shiny foil hat
Views: 1520
Comments: 141
1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!" 2) He's called for a Mcarthiesque reopening of the 9/11 Commission, basing it this time on popular opinion, conspiracy theory, and politics rather than fact. - This one goes hand in hand with item 1. 3) He's selling the "We aren't hated because of our freedoms, we are hated because of our Middle Eastern Policies" without ever acknowledging that our polices there are in direct response to the past and current policies of nation states in the Middle East. 4) He's for gay marriage, but against gay adoption. - Here we are total polar opposites. I'm against gay marriage because it brings nothing to the state, but for gay adoption because any stable home for a child is better than a foster home or orphanage. 5) He's stated he'd like to go back to the "gold standard". - This makes baby economists weep. 6) He's against stem cell research 7) He's "touchy feely" when it comes to crime and punishment 8) He's against free trade (or at least his voting record is). 9) He's never seen a defense appropriation bill he liked. - Yes we can fight our enemies armed with sticks and stones! 10) He's pro "illegal immigration". And lastly... The ACLU likes him. Or more seriously, his voting record is a mess. Its almost like he's voted for and then against the same ideas in different bills just so he could appear to be a moderate or something. As I believe actions (in this case votes) speak louder than campaign promises this makes it very difficult for me to believe what Ron really thinks.
Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Comments (1-30) not displayed.
.
.
.
#31. To: JCHarris, christine, zipporah, former lurker, wudiditz, cynicom, phant2000, lodwick, all, bunnion (#30)
You're most welcome. I figure cone-pone will move to the ME topic again, and attempt a run at 'isolationism' without discussing interventionism and lessons from such as Smedley Butler. -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super- Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major- General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. "The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Again you prove that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. He doesn't pander to them, they seek him out. And they seek him out because he seems to be an honest person, unlike all of the other stuffed shirts running for holy orifice. Which candidate do you support for president?
And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.
Which candidate do you support for president? BluedogTexan Answer: Any paid off and guaranteed bloc votes, Electoral College Control and Media Bias by AIPAC... i.e. any of the put-up, bended-knee, homage-paying candidates you see EXCEPT RON PAUL !
That tells me all I need to know.
i'm getting flashbacks
right on
Yes. And it goes without saying, our government has no intention of allowing assimilation, when divide and rule will move them ever more quickly through their real agenda. De-population is the name of the game. Through a draft, no chippy no worky, starvation, poisoning via, food, air, water, forced immunizations, refusal of medical care, taxation, imprisonment. And worse, much worse. The record of Ron Paul, against the others, stands against this tidal wave of evil.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
christine you're not old enough for those
Most wont bother to read this, and many think that this government has gone bad only in the last twenty years. Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler.
Well, I'll keep posting it regardless. It's an important read, and one I agree with whole-heartedly. War IS a Racket. And it never frees, anyone. Rather, it further endentures a new region of slaves. Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler. Nooooooooo. You're pulling Calamity's leg here aren't you? Next thing I know, you'll be telling me you were gathering animals for the Ark. ;) Seriously, is that true?
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Excuse me can of crap, but the URL you are looking for is FreeRepublic Somehow, you made a wrong turn and got lost.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition LIAR. And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod. Another lie- posting shill like BAC; someone not here to debate honestly, but to spam, shill and obfuscate with lies.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition I always love replying to petulant folks who wish to ignore me. Actually, you're right. I think Ron Paul would like to toss illegal families and their children into the Rio Grande and say "swim for it and don't come back." So, I'd be interested to know where the author is coming from.
Yes, they seek him out and he panders to them instead of saying, "There's no validity in anything you're alleging. Please, Im a Constitutionalist, not a conspiratorial nutjob."
He probably has little niblets anyway.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
Funny how can of corn uses the same quote from Ron Paul: (1) on another thread to cast doubt on the 9/11 Truth movement (because Ron Paul doesn't clearly accept it); and (2) here to explain why people should not vote for Ron Paul (because Ron Paul does not clearly reject 9/11 Truth beliefs).
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I really can't believe this St.Machiavelli guy who authored this. Is his site like the onion, or is he for real? do you know? Anyone who is intelligent and has reviewed the literature of the truthers is going to say that it was either an inside job or done by someone other than who it was blamed on to provoke the foreign policy we have. Any fool can see that. There are a lot of people who have an inability to think independently of the television. It is sad. Regarding Paul's unwillingness to say it was an 'inside job', he is correct from the point of view that he should not say things he can't prove. Paul is doing the right thing in challenging the conventional wisdom on sept 11 events.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Thanks for posting Butler's writing, as he offers an important commentary that comes from his personal history that those in this country need to be made aware of. Yes, Paul is the only one standing against evil. For the most part, if you look closely you will see that the others ARE evil. Good work, Calamity.
Good work, Calamity. Thanks Phant! I believe, as others do, Ron Paul, is leading this nations last bayonett charge for her survival.
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, one world government." -- Rear Admiral Chester Ward Rear Admiral US Navy (retired), CFR member for 16 years, Judge Advocate General of the Navy 1956-60
For a second I thought you were referring to Maj. Gen. Benjamin Butler, aka "Beastly Ben" aka "Spoons", nicknamed for his unfortunate compulsion to pilfer silverware at dinner parties. He was the Union Officer who not only granted sanctuary to runaway slaves at Fortress Monroe in my home of Norfolk, VA (in direct violation of the fugitive slave law) but he also issued the infamous General Order #28, which is why he was the only officer in the history of our nation to have his image on the bottom of bedpans. (not a joke) He was a real nasty character, and every proud Confederate who utters his name in mixed company should expel sputum and say, "If you'll pardon the goddam expression, Ma'am!" The other Butler was truly a great American. If I had the power I'd make every applicant for enlistment read WAR IS A RACKET, or watch a Disney style animated cartoon or perhaps a hip hop music video if their reading skills aren't up to it.
You and your bosses are scared white. As well you should be. Paul's integrity and sterling reputation is so far beyond your ability to ding that you are reduced to posting gibberish hoping something, anything will be interpreted as legit and well founded. Paul has delivered thousands of babies, perhaps hundreds at no charge for poor patients, many of them Hispanic. He's never uttered a mean spirited statement in over twenty years that I've followed his career. Your attempt at character assassination is a bit ambitious for someone with your obvious limitations, and everything Paul says and does is completely consistent with his (and our) desire to restore our republic. You implied that he votes differently on the same bills, but if you weren't a political dilettante you'd know that even sponsors of bills vote against undesirable amendments or motions for cloture or rules suspension. He doesn't vote against a bill after voting for it (or vice versa) if it is substantially intact and unchanged, (no cloak room skullduggery) and I challenge you to cite one example and prove this statement false. So, you fling non specific poo which is not only unworthy of serious debate but impossible to dispute since you carefully avoid specifics. Try this. Tell us who you support and why so we can dismiss you. Obviously there isn't an announced candidate anywhere that you dare juxtapose with Paul, and your failure to offer a name is no oversight. (CLUE: Rumsfeld is not a candidate, and he couldn't get elected to the job of chief fluffer in the shower at Leavenworth which is where he is going if he doesn't expire first.) I'm guessing that you work for H&R Block and you're petrified of having to do honest labor, perhaps even heavy lifting once the totally useless tax prep industry is dismantled. Am I right? Since misrepresentation born of desperation flows so readily from your fingers it's quite logical to assume that you are a pack rat for IRS receipts or some other equally disreputable swindle. So, your intellectual dishonesty + political schizophrenia = non producing bureaucrat and enemy of the constitution, and therefore the enemy of freedom loving patriots.
I don't want a President who believes the best way not to be attacked by Islamic terrorists is to allow them to dictate our foreign policy. He is out of touch with the 21st Century.
Again with the slippery? Let me try again. Who.... Do.... You.... Want? No offense, but you cannot offer a frontal assault and simultaneously cower away from exposing your true agenda if you expect to be anything other than an object of political whimsy here. This isn't a Pauly Shore movie, my young friend. Sooner or later you have to make a bold, hairy-chested move and say something or, once you're humor potential has been exhausted we'll simply lose interest in you. And, believe me, that's a chilly place where no self respecting person would ever want to find her or himself. "I'm Barnacle Bill The Sailor...."
Do.... You.... Want? Thompson, Romney, Giuiliani In that order.
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
Hound... My feelings are crushed. Gen. Benjamin Butler is in my family tree. I thought about sawing off that limb but not one American in a thousand ever heard of him, so I left him there. No one ever asks about him and I wont tell. Gen Smedley Butler is one of my heros and not a known relation, just my luck.
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
In that order. During a May 3, 2007 presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Thompson said in response to a question from moderator Chris Matthews that a private employer opposed to homosexuality should have the right to fire a gay worker.[1] He said "I think that is left up to the individual business. I really sincerely believe that that is an issue that business people have got to make their own determination as to whether or not they should be." He called CNN the following morning to say he didn't hear the question correctly. He apologized, saying "It's not my position. There should be no discrimination in the workplace."_wiki Didn't you use the phrase "McCarthyesque"? Americans won't vote for any candidate from Tail Gunner Joe's home state. Especially one who wants to biochip us all for the convenience of govt slave drivers. Try again.
LOL
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
My feelings are crushed. Gen. Benjamin Butler is in my family tree. I thought about sawing off that limb but not one American in a thousand ever heard of him, so I left him there. No one ever asks about him and I wont tell. Gen Smedley Butler is one of my heros and not a known relation, just my luck. lol! Well, if it's any consolation, when I researched my family crest it was a stolen horse and a hangman's noose!
I speak truth, not as much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare a little the more as I grow older. ~ Montaigne
FRED Thompson, Not Tommy.
So then, why Fred?
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
That's more of a reason why he won't be elected. There are simply not enough 9/11 "truthers" to give him a victory.
He supports low taxes and a limitred intrusiveness of the Federal government. He has realistic positions on free trade. He beilieves abortion should be an issue left to the States. He doesn't subscribe to kooky environmental alsrmism. He supports the right to bear arms. He will fight the war on Islamic extremists.
Maybe they can find a way to spam the polling booths.
Do you guys mind if I lay low here for a while? I'm about this
Do you guys mind if I lay low here for a while? I'm about this
Comments (71 - 141) not displayed.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThanks calamity...
Smedley Butler on Interventionism
#32. To: can of corn (#28)
Actually, not at all. He panders to the insane twoofers, but won't come out and publicly say, as the twoofers do, that he believes Bush was behind 911.
#33. To: bluedogtxn (#32)
Can of corn,
#34. To: bluedogtxn (#2)
You quote a guy who has "Rumsfeld for President '08" in his descriptor box?
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
#35. To: robin (#26)
But one of the duties of every BushBot is to make totally false and easily proven to be false claims.
#36. To: Calamity, Jethro Tull (#21)
True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America.
#37. To: christine (#36)
right on
#38. To: christine (#35)
i'm getting flashbacks
#39. To: Calamity (#31)
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
Most wont bother to read this, and many think that this government has gone bad only in the last twenty years.
#41. To: can of corn, ALL (#0)
#42. To: FormerLurker, can of corn, jcharris (#23)
10) He's pro "illegal immigration".
#43. To: IndieTX (#42)
And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod.
#44. To: bluedogtxn (#32)
He doesn't pander to them, they seek him out.
#45. To: IndieTX (#42)
And that little piece of disingenuousness just got canofcrap bozod. Another lie- posting shill like BAC; someone not here to debate honestly, but to spam, shill and obfuscate with lies.
#46. To: bluedogtxn, can of corn (#13)
#47. To: can of corn (#0)
#48. To: Calamity (#37)
The record of Ron Paul, against the others, stands against this tidal wave of evil.
#49. To: Phant2000 (#48)
Yes, Paul is the only one standing against evil. For the most part, if you look closely you will see that the others ARE evil.
#50. To: Cynicom, christine (#39)
Don't tell anyone but I am so old I had an older friend that was in the Marines with Gen. Butler.
#51. To: can of corn, Zipporah, robin, rowdee, christine, lodwick, Jethro Tull, JC Harris (#43)
I always love replying to petulant folks who wish to ignore me. Actually, you're right. I think Ron Paul would like to toss illegal families and their children into the Rio Grande and say "swim for it and don't come back."
#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#51)
#53. To: can of corn (#52)
#54. To: HOUNDDAWG (#53)
Who....
#55. To: can of corn (#54)
#56. To: Can 'o' corn (#55)
ROMNEY?
#57. To: corn can (#56)
Ghouliani?
#58. To: HOUNDDAWG (#50)
For a second I thought you were referring to Maj. Gen. Benjamin Butler, aka "Beastly Ben"
#59. To: corn **** (#57)
Fred Thompson?
#60. To: can of corn (#54)
(Edited)
Thompson, Romney, Giuiliani
#61. To: wudidiz (#59)
#62. To: Cynicom (#58)
Hound...
#63. To: BTP Holdings, corn dog (#61)
Fred Thompson?
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)
#65. To: can of corn (#64)
FRED Thompson, Not Tommy.
#66. To: can of corn (#0)
1) He's a "truther" by association - He panders and plays to that group of people who believe the events of Sep 11, were an "inside job" without going so far as to say "Fire won't melt steel!"
#67. To: BTP Holdings (#65)
So then, why Fred?
#68. To: Mister Clean (#66)
There are simply not enough 9/11 "truthers" to give him a victory.
#69. To: Mister Clean (#66)
far from gettin' banned from LP.
#70. To: can of corn (#68)
far from gettin' banned from LP.
.
.
.