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Title: Mom in jail for serving 16 year olds beer
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Daily Kos
URL Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/13/13403/0525
Published: Jun 13, 2007
Author: "max stirner"
Post Date: 2007-06-13 15:28:12 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 250
Comments: 23
Mom in jail for serving 16 year olds beer by max stirner [Subscribe] The BBC has the story here. And she is not just serving a few days, she is in two and half years, appreciably more than if she had risked life and limb driving drunk. Whenever there is a health problem, the political instinct is always to ban something or require something. Upset about head injuries--make helmet wearing manditory! Don't want your kids to grow up pot heads, send drug dealers to jail for life. Don't like problem drinking--send parents to jail who serve their kids booze (and keep the drinking age at 21). THe whole approach is wrong headed. As anyone who is or has been in college knows, under 21 year olds DO DRINK, and in massive quantities. Binge drinking is more of a problem now than it was when the drinking age was changed (this is just a sense I have, I would be happy to hear empirical evidence one way or the other). This is not a well written diary, but I am appalled at what happened to this woman (it reminds me of the recently diaried oral sex case). I wonder if others feel likewise. It has been pointed out, correctly, that this mom also served alcohol to other kids, w/o consulting their parents. I don't approve of this, it was an obvious lapse in judgement. But I also agree w/those commentators who hold that community service would have been a fiting punishment. In addition to harming the Mom, you harm her kids as well by punishign her with imprisonment. Also, I believe the LAW does not draw a distinction--you can get punished for serving alcohol to your own children.
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The Washington Post had a longer story about this on Saturday: Party Host Mom Set for Va. Jail Term: Alcohol at Son's 16th Gets 27-Month Sentence.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The nanny state is totally out of its mind.
I was in uniform in Germany (West) circa 1980. I don't recall if there was a drinking age there, but I do recall that a German friend worked in a factory and they had some sort of two or three beer breaks a day, paid for by the company. Germans don't have bars in the way we have them. Yes, they do have some. But the family atmosphere of the Guest Houses kept drinking to a socially acceptable norm.
Well, I'm off to Happy Hour...ta ta.
When I was stationed in Berlin (1970-2), the drinking age, at least for beer and wine, was 14. I believe it still is.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Sad development in story today: Mother, Stepfather Report to Jail.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You can pretty much be locked up for anything nowadays. The system is set up that way for the elite to keep their power over the masses through fear. Lose the fear and you will see that they are all really much more like the man behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz, than the mighty all powerful force they like for us to imagine they are.
God is always good! I actually worked in an US Army operated machine shop in Berlin in 1960. Beer was available in the canteen during the two coffee breaks and lunch, but only to the Germans, we GIs were SOL. It was no big deal, local custom & all that. It’s still the same. I recall growing up in Scandinavia, if your grubby little hand could reach the counter, you could buy beer. Again, no big deal.
Hey Ari...I was in Berlin 83-86. I would get a kick out of the Gemans working on the base...they ALWAYS had their beer breaks. Heck, remember 'kinder beer'? Beer for kids so they'd get used to the taste, at least I figured that was what it was. Beer was a way of life in Europe. On the other hand I saw fewer drunks there than here.
I was there in 84 and if they did have a minimum drinking age, it was 16. I was told 16 was the age for just about everything.
Yep. Families with their dogs and wienerschnitzel and hot potato salads to die for.
You forgot to mention the BEER. Some of those small town breweries were more than hundreds of years old.
Dear God. Is guess that stateinc will get the kids for who knows what purpose(s)? Lovely, when the state goes about the business of creating orphans in effect.
lol - I thought that the beers were a given over there. The Germanic communities dotted around CenTex do a moderately good job during OktoberFest festivals here.
I know an 87 year-young war bride from Germany. She told me how she'd fetch her dad a beer from the Guest House across the street when she was 6 or 8 or 9. On the way home she'd slurp up the foam from the top. Her dad once complained about not getting the proper pour to the owner. She got in trouble...but only a little. I really am missing happy hour and I gots to run.
Cheers - hoist one for the forum! Get outta here now.
The movie Public Enemy shows an 8- or 10-year-old boy who is to grow into the adult James Cagney and a friend of the same age buying beer for their families from a pre-Prohibition saloon.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
About a year and a half ago my party was having lunch in the middle of nowhere here in Ecuador. We needed more beer so the owner sent his 2 kids, maybe 6 or 7 years old, down the road to buy a few bottles. I got a picture of them as they left, toting a few emptys to return.
Police State USA.
And the publican, standing far off, would not so much as lift his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather thant he other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. -Luke 18: 14.
that's 4 sure. it was poor judgement on the adults' part if only because they should've known they could be jailed for this. but I wonder who snitched on them. that person was a jerk.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
THIS IS A TRAVESTY, A MISCARRAIGE OF JUSTICE. I KNOW A D.A. AND A JUDGE AND JURY WHO NEED TO HANG.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Even the sweet little frauleins? ;0)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
One thing that that the Jews have correct is that twelve is a good age for maturity...in all aspects of the law, of God or man.
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"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#8. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
[…] but I do recall that a German friend worked in a factory and they had some sort of two or three beer breaks a day, paid for by the company.
#9. To: aristeides (#5)
When I was stationed in Berlin (1970-2)
#10. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
I was in uniform in Germany (West) circa 1980. I don't recall if there was a drinking age there,
#11. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
But the family atmosphere of the Guest Houses kept drinking to a socially acceptable norm.
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I know an 87 year-young war bride from Germany. She told me how she'd fetch her dad a beer from the Guest House across the street when she was 6 or 8 or 9. On the way home she'd slurp up the foam from the top.
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Mom in jail for serving 16 year olds beer
#20. To: RickyJ (#7)
You can pretty much be locked up for anything nowadays.
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#22. To: Pinguinite (#10)
I was told 16 was the age for just about everything.
#23. To: BTP Holdings. everyone here (#22)
I was told 16 was the age for just about everything.
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